#also her whole revenge murder gang jaunt in season 2

[givehimthemedicine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zf3yrEvTHU

Watch it again and see who starts the fight.

Steve prokoves Jonathan by pushing him a couple of times and insults him and his family, yes.

But the one who starts to full blown fight is Jonathan. He is the one who punches Steve in the face. I am not sure why people keep downplaying or trying to make it seem like it wasnt the case?

People say Steve had it coming because he insulted Jonathan and his family and Im like. Yes. he did. And he provoked Jonathan but Jonathan was the one who outright punched Steve in the face.

And listen what Nancy says there. She says 'ignore Steve' and insists on leaving but Jonathan doesnt. He falls to Steve's provocation and punches him in the face. That's how the fight starts.

And yeah Steve obviously fights back. But then you see him stop and he doesnt fight anymore but Jonathan keeps hitting him even after the police came. And the police tries to stop Jonathan even but he tries to get to Steve again.

Honestly it is obvious Jonathan is the one who started the full blown fight by punching Steve in the face. He could have just walked away like Nancy said but he didnt. He wanted to punch Steve instead and fell to his provocation.

So the writers can be considered inconsistent because that Angela scene comes off as ridiculous due to inconsistent narrative.

Unless both scenes were supposed to come off as BAD. And yeah obviously sure. But the way the narrative portrays the both situations arent the same. They made it seem like El smacking Angela was more of a shocking thing than ever. So I would argue it falls to inconsistent writing.

It is not entirely similar but I would argue that Mike pushing Troy is bad too then bc what if he was hurt when Mike made him fall? Should we judge which comeback is better based on the fact that how hurt the bully is? or is it because of the action itself and the narrative choices that portray the each situation?

Honestly I think the Angela scene is inconsisent

Yeah I watched the Jon/Steve fight before I answered your question earlier (if that was you?) and I know what happened, I just don't agree with you. I see Steve hitting him from behind five times while he tries to walk away so I really don't get how you're calling Jonathan the instigator. he escalated it sure, he hit Steve definitely, but as for starting the whole thing, absolutely not.

I agree the writing is inconsistent though, I honestly wasn't sure how the writers meant for me to feel about the Angela thing. it seemed to be treated in a more shocking way but that was maybe mostly because of the other stuff it stirred up for El. I'm not really sure what her ultimate reaction even is to the actual incident. defiant? remorseful? Idk, she never thought about Angela again. granted she was busy saving the world and stuff.

I know the narrative purpose of her hitting Angela was for her to think "uh oh I hit this girl so I probably also killed all those kids" and jump into her whole monster identity journey, but I guess I'm surprised El never got triggered before considering she actually has knowingly killed a bunch of people, some of them in a way pretty similar to Vecna, and totally stood by it because it was self defense. so why the Angela incident was what suddenly rocked her world idk, because it seems like El would consider that yet another instance where she was defending herself

#givehimthemedicineasks #if anything the most monstrous use of her powers was knocking max off her skateboard lmao #I think that's the only time she's ever hurt someone totally unprovoked #and she never felt bad about it #also her whole revenge murder gang jaunt in season 2 #she rather calmly informed them all that she'd killed people before #and was in the middle of actually killing that guy and (iirc?) only stopped because she saw the picture of his kids #been a while since i watched that one tbh #this arc is all just sorta muddy and uninteresting tbh #1-3 el was my fave no contest but I really sorta cooled on her story lines in 4 #i'm not even sure why because there's so much there. idk what my complaint even is