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cruddyborderlandstheories · 5 years

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i said i was gonna do the meme Zer0/Hyperion theory from 2017 after the festivities but plans got shifted around and i have a couple minutes until the fireworks start so here we go. wild west pyro this one's for you o7

tl;dr: Zer0 was reverse engineered from Tannis’s notes on Eridians when Hyperion tortured her for the Vault Key and they used E-Tech to build them which is why they look human(oid) and why they use the E-tech rarity color in their splash screen instead of just... red or something. ... also we lost control of the timeline and 0ne was built by Rhys as a replacement for Zer0 once Rhys took over Atlas. we uhhhh didn’t think that one through LMAO

This was taken from a discord chat I had with a friend a couple years ago

i saved it in a google doc

i haven’t changed in years lmfao

im Foster Farren/Me

greg swifthands/xeric is my friend, we ended up swapping to our dnd server to scream about it which is why our names change halfway thru

my edits for clarity are gonna be in [brackets]

Me-Today at 2:33 AM

you know MAYBE THEM ALWAYS HOLDING A HYPERION SMG IS A SIGN [as some official art of zer0 had him with a hyperion smg...]

[i think this is it]

[bonus the hyperion sniper]

[also just for shits and giggles, the null pointer in bl3 is a hyperion sniper zer0 gives to us for the monomolecular edge upgrade]

LIKE WE ALL THINK OH THEY CHOOSE HYPERION BECAUSE ACCURACY

BUT WHAT IF BECAUSE THE OLD HYPERION COLORS WERE RED AND BLACK RIGHT BEFORE THEY MADE IT YELLOW AND WHITE

FUCK Y E S

I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF THEY COVERED UP THE WHOLE FAILURE JSUT BECAUSE THEY'D BE ASHAMED OF IT THE OLD GAPING CUNTS THAT’S WHY JACK WOULDN BE ASKING ANGEL

obviously zer0 escaped right

or else they wouldn't be in bl2

Xeric-Today at 2:33 AM

yeah, he fought his way out of the moonbase [helios], and came back to pandora to finish the job

Me-Today at 2:33 AM

fuck YES

Xeric-Today at 2:33 AM

DUDE

Me-Today at 2:33 AM

and did assassinations on the side to cover any costs that come up

Foster Farren-Today at 2:36 AM

OMG DUDE

HYPERION WAS THE FIRST COMPANY TO DISCOVER ETECH WEAPONRY THATS HOW THEY AMDE MILOLION S BY TSELIING IT TO THE OOTHE RS

[the reason im flipping out about E-tech is because Zer0′s splash card in the bl2 intro uses the E-tech rarity color]

[for reference:]

[look at the white bits and also we were thinking the background was eridian ruins but couldn’t make a connection to any we’ve seen... they looked like stone and collapsed arches]

[very similar to e-tech rarity colors]

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:37 AM

oh shit wait, WHAT IF

TANNIS

RIGHT

SHE WAS IN THE RUINS

Foster Farren-Today at 2:37 AM

YES

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:37 AM

AND FOUND ZER(0) IN CRYO OR SOMETHING(edited)

Foster Farren-Today at 2:37 AM

OH NO

ITS SPELLED ZER0

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:38 AM

AND BROUGHT HIM BACK TO HYPERION

Foster Farren-Today at 2:38 AM

TANNIS WOULD NEVER SHEWAS A DAHL GIRL

AND ALSO INSANE(LY) SMART(edited)

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:38 AM

Maybe when hyperion was torturing her the stole her research notes

Foster Farren-Today at 2:38 AM

oh shit

BOY

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:38 AM

and reverse engineered him

Foster Farren-Today at 2:38 AM

CEILING CHAIRS COMING DOWN

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:38 AM

oh f u c k

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:39 AM

Hyperion BROUGHT HIM BACK

Foster Farren-Today at 2:39 AM

THIS PARTY'S GETTING CRAZY

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:39 AM

THE GREATEST ASSASSIN IN THE GALAXY

PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE

Foster Farren-Today at 2:40 AM

i had aa theory that tannis did it herself with the teleportation system BUT THIS IS SO MUCH MORE SENSE

YES

ZER0 IS SIMPLY THE PRESENT

ONE IS THE FUTURE

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:40 AM

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHIT

Foster Farren-Today at 2:40 AM

OH SHIT

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:40 AM

OH SHIT

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:42 AM

DUDE

ALRIGHT

REMEMBER TRANSFORMERS 4

Foster Farren-Today at 2:42 AM

THE CODE HAS BEEN REACKSED [... cracked?]

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:42 AM

THE HUMANS BUILDING NEW VERSIONS OF THE ROBOTS

IN T4 = HYPERION IMPROVING ON THE CLASSIC ERIDIAN DESIGNED ZER0(edited) [using E-tech technology]

Foster Farren-Today at 2:43 AM

i fixed it

OH SHIT

YES

AND RHYS

RHYS RUNS ATLASA

OH MY GOD

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:43 AM

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

HOLY SHIT

Foster Farren-Today at 2:43 AM

RHYS LOVES ZER0

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:43 AM

LMOA

INRGNIERGN

Foster Farren-Today at 2:43 AM

RHYS MAKES A ZER0 FOR HIMSELF LOL

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:43 AM

OHMYFUCKINGGOE

AHHHHHH

Foster Farren-Today at 2:43 AM

IM FCUKCING SOBBING

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:43 AM

YOUGOTMESHOOK

Foster Farren-Today at 2:43 AM

UIMF CUKING SOHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

im cant my bsotmache bhurts so badly from laughing

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:44 AM

HOLY SHIT MAN IT WORKS AND IM SCARED

SO ONE/MERCY KILLED ZER0'S ASSASSIN BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE THE ONE TO KILL ZER0

Foster Farren-Today at 2:44 AM

yes

YES

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:44 AM

HE WANTS TO PROVE HES THE BEST

Foster Farren-Today at 2:45 AM

YES

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:45 AM

THE BETTER

Foster Farren-Today at 2:45 AM

THE ONE

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:45 AM

HOOOOOOOOOOHOHO

Foster Farren-Today at 2:45 AM

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Greg Swifthands-Today at 2:45 AM

DUDE

ALRIGHT THATS CANON TOO

Foster Farren-Today at 2:45 AM

C O N F I R M E D

... anyway there it is

i actually was quite fond of the E-tech colors/Zer0 splash screen connection but I could never get anything out of it. maybe in bl3 we’ll learn something new :?

#borderlands #crack theory #this is a shitpost #bl2 #zer0

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getallemeralds · 5 years

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really, really long rambling

i forgot how i got onto this tangent but on the car ride home i ended up thinking about Speed The Collapse, or. actually that’s just the first fic in it, i dont think the setting has an overall name. uhhh. WELL it’s the yogscast fic/RP setting i started years ago and evolved into atomiclalna/getfluxd/wellcatchyou. and it evolved into being pretty weird and im thinking about it again so here’s an explanation of all the characters while i think abt writing more STC

(some of this is specifically rp-verse that later got welded into fic canon, to make things extra confusing. especially with Atomic and Digger. fantastic)

Lalna “Lal/Atomic” Coffee is the “main” Lalna. he’s an AU of Flux Buddies that got... really convoluted bc of him originally having a bunch of different rp verses and then i accidentally slammed them together and had to try and reconcile em. he’s an omnidisciplinary scientist but mainly likes rockets, nukes, and blowing things up. and reckless use of thaumcraft, obvs.

he got de-Fluxed in one rpverse with the help of Circuit (a friend’s OC), and then when the verse-fusion happened it got kind of weird because Nano (who also got de-Fluxed in the same rp) stayed Fluxed but Atomic didn’t, so he’s just... kinda weird. but with the like, non-rp verse, i think it ended up being that he just burned all the surface-level Flux off but Nano had progressed so much that it probably would’ve killed xem to do the same, and then once the whole like.. dark realm stuff happened, his Flux resurfaced like how Nano’s got worse. I DUNNO i kinda started writing him before i was even caught up on flux buddies prime while 2.0 was over halfway through so :,)

either way he ended up with intense scarring on his face & hands, on top of miscellaneous scars he had from various near-death experiences, and it kind of became his “identifying feature” both in-universe and out. he’s also a cyborg just to keep himself alive because he’s Very aware that he doesn’t have respawn (unlike pretty much everybody else) and with how reckless he is with his own safety + his expertise with machines it felt like a logical conclusion to him. he’s also very casual about his own injuries bc he can just patch it back up later, no big deal. it grosses Nano out.

Lal’s very scatterbrained, bad at talking to people, and horrendous at taking care of himself. he’s also super disaster gay and was dating both Circuit and Nilesy in the rp verse (as well as like, whatever’s going on between him and Nano in both fic and rp). he sees Xephos and Honeydew as basically his adopted parents, although his relationship with them has faded due to lack of contact; he’s usually very casual about people going in and out of his life, but it started to wear on him and he gets pretty lonely.

he’s very distrustful of other Lalnas because of everything with Hector and MP!Lalna, although he doesn’t go on the attack immediately unless he feels threatened. his memories of YOGLabs (i think the “YOG” was supposed to stand for something but i never actually sorted out what it was) are of working on the respawn system before getting suddenly fired; in actuality, he’s the master clone that got kicked out after Hector proved to Xephos that the Lalnas were too dangerous to keep around. the side-effect of this is he has a weird bug where he ends up with memories of various other Lalnas, and sometimes has trouble keeping track of which Lalna he is without someone being there to ground him. this really doesn’t help with Nano’s mistrust of him

his timeline goes: Voltz -> Yoglabs -> Duncan’s Lab -> Blackrock -> The Apprentice -> Flux Buddies series

Lalnable “Hec” Hector is... complicated. he’s the original Lalna, who according to Xephos went insane and had to be locked up in YOGLabs; several of his breakout attempts failed, only for him to finally bail out successfully and go on the run. his main goal is to bring down YOGLabs, believing that Xephos has put all his morals in the trash in search of power & immortality, with a side hobby of trying to figure out what the hell is up with the Specimens, seriously it shouldn’t be this hard to clone somebody even if they’re full of eldritch goop wtf

all of the Lalnas are trans btw. Hec has voice dysphoria, both bc he has a case of the genders and also bc he hates the idea of being mistaken for another Lalna (although he’s tried to play that in his favour a couple of times. it usually backfires. sup, Tungsten); he feels like the Lalnas are unstable inferior knockoffs, and really doesn’t like seeing reflections of himself walking around. usually this means he goes out of his way to avoid them, but he started directly clashing with Atomic after they ended up in close proximity to each other and he took an interest in Nano.

he’s like... he plays up his edgy side to try and seem intimidating, but he’s honestly pretty pathetic. not that he can’t be dangerous, but he’s just kind of a paranoid guy with a whole lot of brain problems. has a lot in common with Atomic but does Not want to admit it. Hec is also very desensitized to blood and death bc of his work at YOGLabs (Atomic kinda is too but it’s not as prominent), but if he’s actually eaten anybody it’s probably it was probably out of curiosity. WAIT THAT SOUNDS REALLY WEIRD. i do think the like, cannibalism thing is something he got a reputation for without really comitting to it, but the nickname stuck and he’s like “sure, that’s edgy and scares people, i guess” and started going by Hector and then Five makes fun of him

he kinda suffers from badass decay but in an entertaining way bc its more like Lal & Nano learn more about him and are like, okay he’s pretty threatening, but he’s also a Lalna and they’re all idiots

his timeline is: Voltz -> Yoglabs -> Flux Buddies series

Livid Coffee is where shit starts getting REALLY weird and complicated. his deal was established in a rp arc on Atomic’s blog, where like... it was getting close to the end of Flux Buddies 2.0 in-universe, and Hector was testing out the Time Gate with the idea of like, going back in time to YOGLabs, before everything went wrong, and beating the shit out of Xephos. Lal saw something was up, went to go check it out, and got captured; Nano got suspicious once he didn’t return, and Hector has zero foresight or critical thinking skills and kinda panicked. he was only able to get the incomplete Time Gate open for a few minutes at a time while testing it, so he kinda... just. grabbed a Lalna. and sent him on his way back to the base and hoping Nano wouldn’t question it too much or that xe’d think he just had amnesia or something.

unforseen problem: the Lalna that Hector had managed to time-theft was Livid, his past self from when he still worked at YOGLabs.

im gonna be real i still have NO IDEA how this arc goes down in fic, if it does at all, but it does establish a whole lot of important things while also getting REALLY convoluted. i made a lot of decisions in dp that i definitely wouldnt today :,) BUT the gist of it is that Nano easily puts 2+2 together and rushes to rescue Lal only to get captured, and meanwhile Livid learns about everything. about Lalnable, about the failed clones, about getting fired, about how everything ended up the way it is in Lal’s time period. and he freaks out, but realizes he has a chance: he can try to stop all of this. he can go back to his original time period, and tell Xephos to shut the project down, and stop Lalnable from ever existing.

so some pretty cool stuff happens: he stages a rescue mission, rushes back through time while the baddies are distracted by the buddies, and sabotages the Time Gate in YOGLabs Deep Storage so Lalnable isn’t able to get there (which leads to baddies&buddies being scattered through time once they go through). he then runs to talk to Xephos, warn him about everything, because surely he can fix all of this, right?

Xephos listens, but then decides he doesn’t care about the risk and orders Livid to go through with it anyway. when Livid refuses, he’s locked up and his brain is fucked with to try and wipe his memories of the event. he finishes CloneSec on Xephos’s orders, only for everything to click back into place and the betrayal+paranoia causes him to lash out and try to kill Xephos, which gets him rebranded as Lalnable Hector. so it’s a time loop, basically.

as a side note, there’s a backup Livid of sorts-- in case of failure break glass, basically. somewhat literally, bc the clone is hidden in the YOGLabs reflecting pool in a glass box, far away from where anyone would stumble across him. he’s the closest clone to the original (meaning he doesn’t have any physical deviation like the other Lalnas eventually develop over course of experimentation & the master clone template), and has all of Livid’s memories up until the time travel nonsense. he never got to make an appearance outside of the original Livid in Distant Past, but interestingly one of the first times Atomic experienced clone memories in rpverse was something that happened to this guy.

his timeline is: Voltz -> Yoglabs -> Distant Past (fic) -> Hypercubed

while most of the Lalnas were fired or disposed of, with the exception of Hypercubed bc he’s in a frickin box, there was one that Xephos held onto. im gonna be real, im not totally sure how Moonquest fits into everything; honestly im kinda tempted to say it might be a case of a spare Xephos, even, considering he’s not like.. maximum bastard like Yoglabs Xephos is. either way, a single Lalna got picked up by Honeydew & Xephos and they decided to go to space together because why the hell not?

he doesn’t really have a unique nickname yet, because i haven’t done too much with him-- the most Moonquest stuff i wrote was actually an AU, with like. multiple system alien Lalnae, and he never crosses paths with that clusterfuck up there so Atomic only knows about him via clone memories & a very weird encounter with a clone-of-a-clone. who knows what he’s up to nowdays, considering Deep Space Mine never got anywhere.

his timeline is: Voltz -> Yoglabs -> Jaffa Factory -> Moonquest -> Hole Diggers -> Deep Space Mine

AND NOW WHO YOU’VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR, THE MAN, THE MYTH, THE LEGEND: DIGGER

Digger is... he’s something. while all of the other Lalnas listed here (minus original!Livid) are respawn clones, Digger is instead a “shell” clone-- basically just an empty, expendable shell someone can temporarily dump their consciousness into if they want to do something dangerous/stupid or just need to quickly hop somewhere. so, like, basically not a Lalna in the same sense as how the other Lalnas are basically like.. twins but a large number of. he’s also a reject, due to Honeydew screwing around while the shell was being constructed and accidentally mixing in some of his own DNA. because shells have DNA for some reason? they’re weird, they’re like... i think Digs got described as being made of “fake meat particles” once. doesn’t even have a pulse. or like, blood, or viscera, because any damage done to him cracks the shell.

ANYWAY so Digger was initially just a defective shell but the Hole Diggers didn’t get rid of him bc they thought he was funny in concept and also were too lazy to do anything, so he just got parked somewhere in the space station to be forgotten about. then there was a glitch with the sync chambers while Lalna was swapping to a shell, and suddenly Digger was like. aware. he basically got a copy of Lalna’s consciousness downloaded into himself. cue distress and dissociation once he immediately realized he was Stuck in an incorrect shell. THEN Honeydew accidentally blew the space station up to fuck, and Digger-- along with everyone else-- got sucked into a black hole.

ive been kinda vague about where exactly in time&space he ended up, but he basically took over some ruins he found and dug out a huge complex underground base and raids a nearby village for supplies while he was getting his feet. this is how he found a thaumonomicon, and he got himself deep into thaumcraft out of curiosity. he got himself heavily warped, and normally it would be pretty concerning but he’s rather calm about it

ive kinda gone back and forth on how he sees himself, so: he definitely starts out thinking he’s Lalna Prime but in a shell, but then learns about Other Lalnas and his memories are confusing&incomplete so he starts questioning himself and has a big ol crisis. he picks up the nickname “Digger” and ends up developing in his own direction somewhat, becoming his own person despite being a shell. having to accept the fact that he’s permanently a shell has been... difficult, and he tries very hard to ignore it because he feels like he’s super fragile if he thinks about it for too long. by the time he showed up in rp stuff, though (like showyourenergy and the corruption saga) he started owning it as like “yeah!! this is me, i guess!! if you look down on me for it ill shoot you with a very big gun!!”

his opinion on other Lalnas is that he’s TERRIFIED of them. like, pretty much convinced he’s going to get hunted down and killed if the original Moonquest Lalna finds out about him (once he learns that he even exists). that, combined with his warp, means he has paranoia to rival Hec’s; it only gets worse in rpverse when he’s managed to make a Lot of enemies. he does have a very close friend, though, potentially the only person he trusts completely: Drei, aka Specimen Echo 3-B, one of the failed Specimens that Hec created. there’s like this whole thing where Nano & the two surviving Specimens are like, a trio representing various forms of thaumic corruption? Nano is Flux, Five is Taint, and Drei is Warp! so Drei met Digger when he got himself warped to all hell, and they’re basically siblings.

i also rp’d him for like 3 days on here during the jsab corruption saga bc for some reason i doodled a leo!lalna instead of using RR

his timeline goes: [Voltz -> Yoglabs -> Jaffa Factory -> Moonquest] -> Hole Diggers -> ?

#txt #leo chirps #leodoodles #leos ocs #oc: digger #this is so many words i am SO sorry #this post took me like all day to make bc i decided to draw all these fuckers too #yogscast #atomiclalna #wellcatchyou

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