#aph golden horde

[peonycats]

Sons of the Empire

The Bastard, the Disappointment, the Runt

from top to bottom:

Golden Horde

Chagatai

Ilkhanate

OCs belong to @irithnova!!

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[irithnova]

More on Chagatai Khanate

I feel as if Chagatai Khanate is not talked about a lot by me. This is despite the fact that I pretty much have his whole characterisation and storyline planned from birth to death in my head and I have written about him before as a part of larger posts however I have not dedicated a single post to him.

I somewhat fashioned his personality off of the actual Chagatai. I also did something similar with Golden Horde and Jochi.

He really fits into the role of the ignored middle child well to be honest. Both character wise and how the actual Chagatai Khanate is perceived. From what I've seen over the years, when people reflect on the different Khanates of the Mongol Empire, they often think of the opulence of the Yuan Dynasty and Ilkhanate, or the infamous reputation of the Golden Horde in Europe, with the Chagatai Khanate often coming last and least in many peoples minds. Hell, a Khan of the Chagatai Khanate itself declared that it was a "miserabe little ulus", so its no wonder its not given as much attention.

I wrote this before in a much longer post about Mongolia's relationship with the different Khanates (Mongolia came to be the figurehead of the Yuan Dynasty) but I think Chagatai Khanate was born only one year after the Golden Horde (kind of wanted it to be poetic in the sense that this reflects the actual age gap between Jochi and Chagatai) so they're quite close in age. I think this only made him more competitive towards his eldest brother (Ilkhanate being the youngest). This is especially because Golden Horde felt outcasted to an extent as he was the representation of the Jochid territory and there was a lot of speculation about the nature of his birth - if Genghis Khan was actually his father or not. This casued a lot of tension between the actual Jochi and Chagatai, this is something Chagatai constantly berated him for. I think this is the same for Golden Horde and Chagatai Khanate. Not in the exact same way of course - no one was questioning whether he was Mongolia's child or not. However as he was the representative of Jochid lands - he was seen as illegitimate by proxy if that makes sense.

Out of the three brothers, I think Chagatai Khanate was the most similar personality wise to Mongolia. Don't get me wrong, all three of them inherited his traits, such as his stubbornness, competitiveness and intelligence. However if I was tasked with knee jerk picking the one son who just is the most like Mongolia personality wise overall, it has to be Chagatai Khanate. 

This is one of the major reasons as to why Chagatai Khanate wanted to be the favoured son. Golden Horde was technically his first born, however he represents the Kingdom of  a bastard. He considered Ilkhanate a weakling who was not strong willed like he was and just bent over to whatever Mongolia said (unfortunately for Chagatai Khanate, thats exactly why Ilkhanate was Mongolia's favourite). He thought Mongolia would prefer a more hard headed son - like him. 

Considering this reasoning, Chagatai Khanate was expecting... More? From his father. More approving pats on his shoulder when he did something right, more proud smiles when he stood his ground. Sure Mongolia gave them all attention but it was never enough. He was always busy with something else or late for something. 

For the longest time, Chagatai defended his father a personal level and was extremely uptight about upholding tradition and rules. Out of his brothers, he was the one who was so anal about upkeeping proud Mongol tradition. Not that he was not a troublemaker in his own right - he most definitely was, however he was very conservative when it came to this. He could pretty much recite the entire Yassa code off by heart. Hence another reason why he thought he should be the favoured son.

Before Chagatai Khanate came to resent his father, he saw his meticulousness of upholding Mongol law and tradition as an extension of his love and respect for his father. But as time went on and there were more developments in the empire (as in, infighting between the divisions), Chagatai Khanate no longer saw it as an extension of his love for his father but as a competition. He was already given the short end of the stick when it came to the wealth of his Ulus ("miserable little ulus") which he was most definitely a sore loser about and not only that, Mongolia went on to establish the Yuan Dynasty under Khublai Khan -  a dynasty that ruled over China, posed itself as being a legitimate dynasty with the mandate of heaven, Khublai himself was very fond of China and there were whole wars fought between Khublai and Qaidu - the de facto ruler of the Chagatai Khanate, as Qaidu was more traditionalist compared to the more liberal Khublai. It's speculated that one of the discussions that took place during the 1269 Talas Quriltai was about Khublai straying away from Mongol tradition and turning to China! I explained this in more depth in a previous post I'll link here, it's a lot more historically dense but it's worth a read if you want more context. 

Even before the different Khanates went their separate ways, I think Chagatai Khanates resentment began to blossom. I think he realised that no matter how hard he tried, Mongolia would never consider him his favoured son. So he got strangely competitive with Mongolia in more subtle ways before everything blew up. Who could inspire more fear in the lesser staff, who was the better wrestler. Mongolia caught onto this and was... Not impressed. He was quite annoyed at this. I don't think he felt threatened but I do think it's funny how the son most similar to him personality wise annoyed him the most. Admitting that you're obnoxious, Mongolia? (At least in the context of this era).

Mongolia definitely had his own thoughts on Khublai and absolutely raised an eyebrow at a few things he did (like moving the Mongol Empire capital to China) however he was not expecting his children (except for Ilkhanate who pretty much always sided with him) to turn against him in such a way - and to accuse him of all people of disrespecting Mongol tradition! Yes, he was pissed. Especially at Chagatai Khanate who he saw as the instigator of it all. Despite this conflict ending, Chagatai Khanate was still very sore about it and continued being a pain to his family. What's funny is how much Chagatai Khanate and Golden Horde hated each other, but one of the only things that could unite them was when they wanted to bully and threaten Ilkhanate. lol. And I guess their shared frustration when Mongolia inevitably sided with Ilkhanate in the conflict - Mongolia/the Yuan Dynasty being one of Ilkhanates only allies (daddy's boy I guess)..

This staunch adherence to tradition did not stop though. Whilst the other Khanates became more sedentary, the Chagatai Khanate was still living traditionally (ironic as this was a factor in halting the growth of wealth in the Chagatai Khanate, something he complained about) and when the Chagatai Khanate broke up into two, the West in Transoxiana and the East called Moghulistan (Chagatai Khanate became the Eastern Moghulistan) , Moghulistan was a hell of a lot more traditional than the Western Chagatai Khanate. They upheld Chagataid tradition whereas the Western Chagatai Khanate used Chagataids as puppet rulers usually. They were even discriminatory towards the Western halfs more mixed status, and the Western half similarly looked down on Moghulistan for being "uncultured" from what I recall. Yes I do think he was hatecriming his son-

Anyways it's ironic because Moghulistan itself became increasingly Turkified over time and even adopted Sharia law over the traditional Mongola Yassa. He's my fave jock loser

Some other hcs:

Ruddy face

He and GH are similar in stature but he is slightly bigger

Bushy eyebrows

Small scar on his cheek

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[novacanonarch]

Mongolia's relationship with the Golden Horde, the Chagatay Khanate, and the Ikhanate.

#Nova archive #Masterpost: relationships #Hws Mongolia #Aph Mongolia #Hetalia Mongolia #OC: Ilkhanate #OC: Chagatai Khanate #OC: Golden Horde #Hws Ikhanate #Hws Chagatai Khanate #Hws golden horde #Aph golden horde #Aph Ilkhanate #Aph Chagatai Khanate

[eruverse]

Fic authors self rec! When you get this, reply with your favorite five fics that you've written, then pass on to at least five other writers. Let’s spread the self-love❤

Thamk you!! 🌞

I haven’t written a lot of Hetalia fics and currently I have more wips for this fandom ahah. So I’ll be listing some of my most recent fics:

Ember, Mongolia/Turkey, rated T

The first fic I’ve written for this ship. More to come later!!

To the beat of the golden sun, Russia/fem!Mongolia, rated E

This one is a gift for @all-turns-to-moss ‘s birthday and I had so much fun writing!! This setting works very well for this ship if I say so myself 😌

little hare and the wolf cub, Russia & Golden Horde & Blue Horde, rated G

Little Ivan during Mongol occupation of his lands where Golden (White) Horde and his twin Blue Horde are child bullies. Fairy taleish writing style and format.

Jasmine in the sheets, Kazakhstan/Uzbekistan, rated E

Kaz and Uz as kids and their dumb first time. Dumb because they are simply overexcited kids with hormones bigger than everything else they have to consider, lol.

Cursed, Indonesia/Netherlands, rated M

Angsty-ish fic involving top Indo and bottom Ned which is my favorite setting for this ship. As an Indonesian myself a lot of emotional projection is going on here, lol

#hetalia #aph mongolia #hws mongolia #aph russia #hws russia #aph turkey #hws turkey #oc golden horde #aph golden horde #hws golden horde #oc blue horde #aph blue horde #hws blue horde #hws indonesia #aph indonesia #aph netherlands #hws netherlands #my writing #writing talk

[unhonestlymirror]

I feel so weird when they write any hetalia character who "solves problems of Ukraine" - first of all, no one ever solved our problems, they only promise but in the end it's always us alone (c). Especially when it comes to big states like old Poland, old Sweden, old Turkey - they always fought with each other for our land.

Second of all, Ukraine NEVER asks anyone to solve her problems - it's quite an imperialistic narrative - she can ask about some concrete items to solve it, tho.

#Ukraine also doesn't mind mutual help like we had with GDL. they help us to fight Golden Horde - we helped them to fight in Grunwald. #pls avoid portraying characters as mother Teresa to Ukraine #hetalia #hws ukraine #aph ukraine

[naniyakaya]

#aph golden horde

[kamadramallama]

What are you supposed to say to your brother when you’re the one that killed his favorite person?

I still headcanon that Mongolia poisoned Jochi. Mongol politics are messy.

#kam's art #hetalia #aph mongolia #aph golden horde #mongolia #golden horde

[ikivi]

Time headcanons in Mongolia and the Golden Horde ✨. Mental illness

The Golden Horde is a pathological liar, and also has an inflated sense of self-importance.

Mongolian Empire (Mongolia) - has God syndrome, uncontrolled aggression, paranoia, an inflated sense of self-importance

#aph mongolia #hetalia #aph golden horde #time headcanons #Mental illness

[senjekai]

Xiongnu / Golden Horde / Mongolia Work is for.......... Serving ice cream.... And serving my favorite pony boys...

#aph oc #aph Mongolia #aph golden horde #aph Xiongnu #Gabi draws on the clock #the trilogy #srsly why are we getting paid

[konoha-hk]

First it was his brothers who bothered him, then his hordes and others, to end China and Russia, Mongolia will always have bad luck (?).

PS: I always wanted to draw the Hordes of the Mongol Empire, I love them, maybe then I'll draw the other members of the Empire.

#APH #Hetalia #APH - Mongolia #APH - Golden Horde #APH - Blue Horde #APH - White Horde #APH - Red horde #APH - Mongol Empire

[irithnova]

I actually have more questions.

What is Mongolia's human name?

And what was his first experience with a European like?

I call him Baatar Batbayar because I think it's cute haha.

And uh. Well. LMAO it wasn't exactly the friendliest to put that way.

When the Mongols travelled Westward, they didn't even really know where they were heading. Historian Morris Rossabi noted that the Mongols' entry into Europe wasn't a deliberate invasion; they lacked precise knowledge of their destination.

Europeans had limited awareness of the Mongols until their arrival, and it wasn't exactly a welcome one.

There's a pretty famous, pretty gruesome story relating to the battle of Kalka River (located in Modern Ukraine)

After the Mongol invasion in Central Asia and the fall of the Khwarezmian Empire, Jebe and Subutai led a force into Iraq-i Ajam. They asked Chinggis Khan for permission to keep conquering for a few years before rejoining the main army. While waiting for Chinggis' reply, they raided the Kingdom of Georgia.

Their plan was approved, and they passed through the Caucasus, defeating Caucasian tribes and the Cumans. The Cuman Khan sought help from Prince Mstislav the Bold of Halych, who formed an alliance with Rus' princes, including Mstislav III of Kiev, against the Mongols.

The battle was the Mongols against the allied forces of the Principality of Kiev, the Principality of Galicia-Volhynia, the Principality of Chernigov, the Principality of Smolensk and the Cumans (I'll call them the alliance for brevity.)

What happened (extremely brief)

At the battle of the Kalka River, the Mongol forces employed strategic withdrawal to lure the alliance into a dispersed pursuit.

When the Mongols made their stand, they positioned skilled archers on horseback at the front.

The alliance , misjudging the Mongols' retreat as disarray, charged prematurely, leading to chaos in their ranks.

Mongol archers on horseback skillfully disrupted the advance with precise arrow fire.

Mongol heavy cavalry, well-armed and equipped, crushed the isolated vanguard.

The combined Mongol forces, including mounted archers, routed the remaining troops, resulting in significant casualties and the capture of Mstislav the Daring

Here's the gruesome part

Jebe and Subutai ordered the suffocation of Mstislav the Daring and two other princes beneath boards during a victory celebration. They essentially sat on top of the boards celebrating as the princes suffocated to death

This is actually in Mongol custom - no, not necessarily crushing people to death while you party on top of them. But it was forbidden to spill royal blood, so when Mongols would kill royalty, they'd go for bloodless deaths.

So. Definitely not the friendliest introduction to Europeans haha! He definitely built a pretty bad reputation throughout Europe, especially after this stunt. Not that he particularly cared, in fact he probably actually enjoyed inciting fear in people.

Being feared meant people would surrender more often and more easily so it's less of a hassle if they do so rather than conducting a full-scale invasion.

He certainly would have had contact with some of the Europeans conquered under him or at least was aware of them. Lots of hate filled letters sent to him or sent to golden horde that he then read (he's nosy) from the likes of Hungary and Poland for example and on the special occasions he'd meet them himself (I think Golden Horde/Jochi ulus would be dealing with them a lot of the time) there was a lot of gritted teeth and that eras equivalent of middle fingers being launched at him from behind his back, hah!

Some more lovely interactions with Europe:

In 1236, they beat the Bulghars, and in 1237, they crossed the frozen Volga River with a massive army, causing destruction in what is now modern Russia. They destroyed cities like Moscow and Vladimir by 1238.

Then, they rested in the Don steppe while gathering more information about Europe.

After taking Kiev and Chernigov in Ukraine, the Mongols took a break to regroup and get more soldiers. In Europe, rumours of the "Devil's Horsemen" and a "Storm from the East" started spreading.

In Poland, the Mongols lured Polish troops into a trap near Kraków and plundered the city

On Palm Sunday.

Mongolia was definitely hated but it's not like that was anything new. His first experience is... Hard to say exactly but I can imagine again, receiving angry letters at first as he would accompany Chinggis and after Chinggis, whoever was the great Khan/overlord essentially and would aid in the great Khan's conquests so wasn't always present during those invasions in Europe.

First experience with a European nation was most likely during a visit to check in on how things were going and I'd put a finger on Poland potentially being one of the first Euro nations Mongolia met face to face during a visit (probably came after Krakow was razed to see uh what happened himself but ofc there were also previous visits Mongolia made to see the progress or to pretend to be a good father for a few days) and he probably tried to spit at him or something considering 🗿

I don't think Mongolia thought much of the appearance of the Europeans or was particularly perplexed by it, maybe a little curious but he just cared really if they complied and and how much progress was being made lol. He probably found the hate mail from those nations and small acts of defiance (like being spat at) somewhat amusing too but did make sorta try to make sure that it wasn't too much for golden horde or smth (woaw being a normal father for once 😍)

Ik I made him sound like an asshole and he was but in a boyboss way 👆

Btw I think Poland and Mongolia actually get along now LMAOO

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[novacanonarch]

#Nova archive #Masterpost: Relationships #Masterpost: Headcanons #aph mongolia #Hws mongolia #Hetalia Mongolia #OC: Ilkhanate #OC: Chagatai Khanate #OC: Golden Horde #Hws Ilkhanate #Hws Chagatai Khanate #Hws Golden horde

[eruverse]

A snowstorm from the East

With eyes carved from cold stone

And a heart that destroys like an avalanche

— Golden Horde

#hetalia #oc golden horde #hws golden horde #aph golden horde #he has small waist!!! ivan can encircle that only using his big hands

[unhonestlymirror]

absolutely having a great time reading your takes on the hetalia fandom btw. it's so refreshing to see someone actually addressing how unbelievably fucked the way this series has ALWAYS handled eastern europe, let alone recently. what excuse is there to make aph ukraine CANONICALLY longing for the days of "peace with big brother russia" while a) "peace" wasn't really ever a thing and b) russia is ACTIVELY trying to dismember ukraine? let alone the fact that this fandom still goes about producing "feelgood content" about this shit. like, how? why? people are being fucking killed and cultures are being erased for narratives like these. i cannot imagine how frustrating and hurtful it is to see these things as a person going through this. sorry you have to deal with this bs and i'm wishing you a good day <3

I really don't understand what "peace with big brother" days Himaruya is talking about. The Yuri Dolgorukiy times (when angry Kyivans killed him)? The Golden Horde times? The Ruyina? The tsarist russia occupation with its "famous" Petr the First and Catherine the Second? The soviet occupation? What great times did we ever have with russia? I really don't know. Same shit with Belarus. "Feelgood" content is 99% produced by russians, the rest are just clueless or boot-lickers.

I really want to see Himaruya finally being brought to justice one day.

Thank you, I wish you a good day, too.

#hetalia #hws ukraine #aph ukraine #hws belarus #aph belarus

[amechuqueen]

I really wanna know more about the golden-horde guy XD he kinda looks a little like Mongolia? Is it him?

#hetalia #axis powers hetalia #i wanna know more about this guy #the golden horde #aph mongolia or nah?

[kamadramallama]

My favorite brothers. Nostalgic this morning.

#kam's art #hetalia #aph #aph mongolia #aph golden horde #monglia #golden horde