#but i think. whatever revelations come in 13’s arc. i think in even’s universe they have to come after donna. i’ll find a way to make it

[quietwingsinthesky]

at some point i am going to have to force even to go back and deal with donna & tentoo & rose & all and everything they ran away from. and that will probably involve them losing tentoo’s chameleon arch watch by giving it back to its rightful owner, whether she chooses to open it or not. and that is. not going to be a very fun or stable time for them.

#this part is v vague and fuzzy because i want to watch the rest of 12 & 13 and finish the doctor/donna specials before i set anything in #stone about it. but i think i need to rearrange some things in the timeline here vis a vis when the doctor is also forced to go back and #deal with his baggage. #i dont think 14 exists in even’s universe for this reason. and for the reason of tentoo kind of taking on his role? the human part of the #doctor who can stay with donna & with rose. #she’s also trans to me because i love trans!tentoo. her name is johanna. i think it’s pretty. i make a singular exception to my rule of #never changing characters names when i trans them. #but i think. what im getting at here is that this cant be a happy ending. not so cleanly. its more bittersweet. #like i think this version of the story. what i have so far. donna does remember. (tentoo doesn’t but that’s because she’s become her own #person. the doctor is who she came from but she isn’t just the doctor anymore.) and rose knows her doctor is out there and loves her but #she has her wife at home. #and even. oh even. you can’t hold onto a heart that’s not yours forever. you have to give it back. #this. i think. is a moment of respite and recovery for the doctor. and a really really low point for even. however this works out. #its not perfect but there’s kindness in it. and there’s a home to go back to. if they can bear it. both of them. #but like i said. this is all preliminary based on what i might play around with here. and how watching more of the show changes my ideas. #but i think. whatever revelations come in 13’s arc. i think in even’s universe they have to come after donna. i’ll find a way to make it #work. #but mostly right now the important thing is forcing even to give up the watch because why would i let them have one single comfort object <3 #dw oc

[yourfandomfriend]

SPN Finale and Dabb Thoughts

So, I've been keeping so much of this to myself since season 12...

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SUPERNATURAL SPOILERS BELOW

Also, long-ass post with criticism of Andrew Dabb, so hit “J” if you’re not down to crit.

Ready?

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Plot

I’m conflicted. On paper, this is my ideal SPN finale. Having Chuck pull the plug on c137 is so effing cool, I can’t wait to see what happens. The idea of the boys finally discovering, right before the show ends, that their lives of suffering and sacrifice are just wank material? That the cosmic entity who controls their fate is a lying sadist? The possibilities are endless and the last scene was fun as hell. Fully looking forward to seeing how it all shakes loose. 10/10 for the plot.

However.

Chuck

That’s just... not like Chuck at all. He used to be complex. He was loving and apathetic, cruel and compassionate, selfish and giving, grand and tiny. A wonderful monster and a terrible father. A riddle wrapped in a burrito. 

At least, he was when Kripke and Carver wrote him. Yeah, Kripke’s was a more inscrutable being while Carver’s was a “welp, cat’s out of the bag now, so let’s just carve this turkey” kind of God. But both contained multitudes.

Whereas Dabb’s Chuck is the manager of a Popcopy.

A pure villain. An oily, sadistic, narcissistic garbage deity without a second dimension. And without the context, I’m totally down for that. The idea of making the God of SPN’s world a pervert who creates good people, falls in love with them, and then tortures them until they’re “interesting” because its the only way he can shoot his goo is fantastic.

Sure, it’s been done a thousand times before, but we’ve been with these characters so long and watched them hurt and lose so many times, it’s almost like a reconning. It’s what most stans think of the people who control their favorite characters’ fates. But it’s completely disruptive to what’s come before.

And with any other showrunner, my first thought would be, It’s clearly a fakeout. Writers lie, right? This all must be ramping up to something bigger. But isn’t Kripke or Carver. This is Dabby boy.

Andrew Dabb

When Kripke and Carver’s seasons make me see scorched earth and think it’s laying the groundwork for something deep, I find out Dabb’s already spent and is fast asleep with a smile on his face. He leads up to no payoff and pays off with no lead-up. He destroys the world he inherited to get what excites him and then throws it in the trash when he inevitably gets bored.

Also, like with 12 and 13′s finales, I should’ve felt more given the events of the episode. But I didn’t. The tone was flat, the theming was MIA, the structure was a mess -- I mean, the scene where Cas gets thrown and just lays on the ground to stay out of the way while Dean’s all ready to shoot Jack and then Sam parks a damn mile away and runs to stop them for, like, an hour --

-- and the continuity is screwy, because, well, continuity is boring, right? It’s constraining and hard to keep track of, and totally ruins a big twist. Like having Lucifer and Michael finally fight -- otherwise known as The Apocalypse, an event that was hyped in season 5 as ending in half the planet getting nuked -- is really just a wire-fu stunt that couldn't blow a pencil off a lopsided desk, because the main event is Dark!Jensen in his little hat and how about we end it like the Thriller video on a goddamn freeze frame? Why not?

And the thing season 5 was built around, free will, the idea that no matter how big things got, Sam and Dean could always say no to the angels using them, even archangels. Humans can change the world with their choices. Well, forget all that because now Michael can leave the side door open and sneak back in! 

Sure, it contradicts not only prior continuity but also everything the show stands for... but wasn’t it a sweet reveal when Dean turns around and oh no! It’s not Dean it’s Dark!Jensen and let’s get him back in the little hat!

And Sam. He’s always been ridiculously reverent of characters like God and Death. And he wanted to believe that Chuck was ultimately good. The Ultimate Good. When Sam believes in someone, it takes him a while to turn on them, Jack is proof of that. Having him pissed at Chuck from the jump was really uncharacteristic of him. Not only that, it robs his revelation of all its impact.

There’s no sense of betrayal for Sam, no room for characters arcing, not for Sam or Dean. Just a flat, telegraphed twist. I honestly would’ve preferred they did some plot judo and had Sam be the one Chuck convinced to put Jack down (”You know it’s the right thing to do.” “It has to be you.” etc.) and had Chuck argue with Dean to keep him busy while Sam stole the god gun and snuck out. 

Dean could’ve realized via conversation what Chuck was up to and raced off to save not only Sam but Jack and Cas from this cruel little drama. All while Chuck smirked down the clock, thinking he was just giving Dean enough rope to hang himself with. As usual.

Then have Sam realize as he’s pointing the gun at Jack that Chuck played him, and have Dean finally shoot God, just like he always wanted.

Billy

Given the ending, I have hope. Hope that Billie does something about the way the story has treated her since season 12. She was supposed to be the character who kept the writers honest and made sure they couldn’t use death and resurrection as a “Get Out of Jail Free” card, and then halfway through season 12, after humiliating her all season, Dabb uses resurrection to literally get the boys out of jail free.

He killed her off, teased consequences and forgot about them, and when she came back, (along with twenty other characters) she suddenly couldn’t wait to bring the boys back from the dead for no reason and teleport them out of impossible situations and lecture Rowena on the natural order and here’s a Mystery Box! A whole room of Mystery Boxes! Isn’t that interesting?!

Still, the last scene of the finale gives me so much hope. If Chuck really did what I think he did, if he really Azreal’d the universe, then everything is on the table in season 15 in a way that actually makes sense.

Also, the revelation that Death is into tickle porn is a thing of beauty and a joy forever. And everyone having to tell the truth and us finding out the petty secrets Sam and Dean have been hiding from us is gold.

I need to got to work in the morning so it’s long past my bedtime. Hit me up if you want more Dabb crit, praise, and jokes later. All my thoughts on Jack and Crowley and Mary, Michael and the Lucifer/Nick story, the real reason I quit @supernatural-answers, whatever you want.  I feel like finally sharing all. 

#supernatural spoilers #spn spoilers #dean is the hanged man fight me #long post