#but yeah the way 3Hopes wants the Church to both be sus but keep the genuinely good nature it has fucks with just about everything

[butwhatifidothis]

THANK YOU for that post regarding Leicester waging war on the Central Church, actually, because I thought something just wasn't clicking for me as I was playing the route. It's like--in order to make waging war make sense, they had to frame the Central Church as unimportant so they wouldn't lose something important when they killed Rhea. But then. If the Central Church is so unimportant, there's no way they're so evil and corrupt and pervasive that they have to be uprooted with violence. I thought my brain was really just turned off but turns out this route was really just written that poorly??dflgkdj

No cuz like that's. The exact problem, you hit the nail on the head.

Claude can't be straight up evil, and thus can't be portrayed as doing something that's actually that bad - it's clear that they're tryin' to portray him as a guy just trying to get by as best he can for his own people. But herein lies the conundrum: if the Central Church is important to the people of Fodlan (both on a personal level and a pragmatic one), and Rhea is the leader of the Central Church and is the one doing all of these good things for everyone, and Claude is trying to get rid of it and kill her, then he's clearly doing something objectively wrong. So it has to be the case that the Church isn't that important to his people then - now he can retain being a good guy trying the best for his people.

But. Then. If it's so unimportant that literally no one gives a shit about taking it down - they're not rioting nor are they rallying, they're legit described as "calm" - then the Central Church is clearly not that impactful to Leicester. The people of which Claude is supposed to be doing all of this for. Their complete nonreaction to the declaration of war - starkly different from the Empire, who needed actual propaganda to even be remotely calmed, and to the Kingdom whose nobility and people place high value in the Central Church's existence - should tell Claude and everyone else that they're barking up the wrong tree.

The game can not decide whether it wants to portray the Church as something bad or not to save its life. Dimitri takes it in only for pragmatic purposes, Claude wants to take it down, Edelgard wants to take it down, all this shit gets flung at it, and then you fuckin' pan the camera over to them and the Church is pickin' daisies and making flower crowns for lil' kids. There is no justification ever given as to why the Church is constantly looked at with a side-eye by literally everyone; 3Hopes doesn't have WC to make Rhea look sus, so why does everyone... act like they've been through WC? 3Hopes wanted to have its cake and eat it too, and it impacted just about every single character.

I'm just confounded that Claude - Mr. Curious, Mr. I-Want-All-The-Answers, someone who is open-minded enough to see the merit of being positively compared to Rhea and who wanted to hear her side of things despite everything - is drowning in evidence that points directly to the Church not being guilty of pretty much everything he accused of it, and he just... well, even saying that he ignores it gives the writing too much credit, at least in this specific instance. These facts are ignored by the narrative itself. No one brings these facts up. No one notices this, even when they're actively talking about it. It's like the writers didn't even notice this when writing it out. The closest this instance gets to being "acknowledged" is in Claude's support with Dimitri (where he does just flat out ignore Dimitri's points, because why write Claude when you can just write EdeIgard instead lmao), and even then it never brings up any of this. Just mind-boggling

#ask #fire emblem warriors three hopes spoilers #fire emblem warrior: three hopes spoilers #but yeah the way 3Hopes wants the Church to both be sus but keep the genuinely good nature it has fucks with just about everything #because Claude being able to do everything he does wrt the Federation like. spits on every single ''Church Bad'' thing #that he claims is true #like if the dogma of the CENTRAL Church is so overbearing as to need violent upheaval to force change then like #he shouldn't have been able to do shit about making a Federation. like at all. everyone in Leicester should've rejected it #if Claude were any kind of right #like if there was dogma about ''Outsiders Bad'' for example yeah #and it was so rooted in Fodlan's culture specifically because of the Central Church #then how tf was Nader accepted into the ranks as easily as he was? by a Major House descended from the 10 Elites no less #actual garbage tier writing. it STINKS #clyde discourse