#like if the dogma of the CENTRAL Church is so overbearing as to need violent upheaval to force change then like

[butwhatifidothis]

THANK YOU for that post regarding Leicester waging war on the Central Church, actually, because I thought something just wasn't clicking for me as I was playing the route. It's like--in order to make waging war make sense, they had to frame the Central Church as unimportant so they wouldn't lose something important when they killed Rhea. But then. If the Central Church is so unimportant, there's no way they're so evil and corrupt and pervasive that they have to be uprooted with violence. I thought my brain was really just turned off but turns out this route was really just written that poorly??dflgkdj

No cuz like that's. The exact problem, you hit the nail on the head.

Claude can't be straight up evil, and thus can't be portrayed as doing something that's actually that bad - it's clear that they're tryin' to portray him as a guy just trying to get by as best he can for his own people. But herein lies the conundrum: if the Central Church is important to the people of Fodlan (both on a personal level and a pragmatic one), and Rhea is the leader of the Central Church and is the one doing all of these good things for everyone, and Claude is trying to get rid of it and kill her, then he's clearly doing something objectively wrong. So it has to be the case that the Church isn't that important to his people then - now he can retain being a good guy trying the best for his people.

But. Then. If it's so unimportant that literally no one gives a shit about taking it down - they're not rioting nor are they rallying, they're legit described as "calm" - then the Central Church is clearly not that impactful to Leicester. The people of which Claude is supposed to be doing all of this for. Their complete nonreaction to the declaration of war - starkly different from the Empire, who needed actual propaganda to even be remotely calmed, and to the Kingdom whose nobility and people place high value in the Central Church's existence - should tell Claude and everyone else that they're barking up the wrong tree.

The game can not decide whether it wants to portray the Church as something bad or not to save its life. Dimitri takes it in only for pragmatic purposes, Claude wants to take it down, Edelgard wants to take it down, all this shit gets flung at it, and then you fuckin' pan the camera over to them and the Church is pickin' daisies and making flower crowns for lil' kids. There is no justification ever given as to why the Church is constantly looked at with a side-eye by literally everyone; 3Hopes doesn't have WC to make Rhea look sus, so why does everyone... act like they've been through WC? 3Hopes wanted to have its cake and eat it too, and it impacted just about every single character.

I'm just confounded that Claude - Mr. Curious, Mr. I-Want-All-The-Answers, someone who is open-minded enough to see the merit of being positively compared to Rhea and who wanted to hear her side of things despite everything - is drowning in evidence that points directly to the Church not being guilty of pretty much everything he accused of it, and he just... well, even saying that he ignores it gives the writing too much credit, at least in this specific instance. These facts are ignored by the narrative itself. No one brings these facts up. No one notices this, even when they're actively talking about it. It's like the writers didn't even notice this when writing it out. The closest this instance gets to being "acknowledged" is in Claude's support with Dimitri (where he does just flat out ignore Dimitri's points, because why write Claude when you can just write EdeIgard instead lmao), and even then it never brings up any of this. Just mind-boggling

#ask #fire emblem warriors three hopes spoilers #fire emblem warrior: three hopes spoilers #but yeah the way 3Hopes wants the Church to both be sus but keep the genuinely good nature it has fucks with just about everything #because Claude being able to do everything he does wrt the Federation like. spits on every single ''Church Bad'' thing #that he claims is true #like if the dogma of the CENTRAL Church is so overbearing as to need violent upheaval to force change then like #he shouldn't have been able to do shit about making a Federation. like at all. everyone in Leicester should've rejected it #if Claude were any kind of right #like if there was dogma about ''Outsiders Bad'' for example yeah #and it was so rooted in Fodlan's culture specifically because of the Central Church #then how tf was Nader accepted into the ranks as easily as he was? by a Major House descended from the 10 Elites no less #actual garbage tier writing. it STINKS #clyde discourse

[mrspectacularity]

Titus Vatigo, First King Of The New World, Tyrant Of The Crusades

When the lords retreated from rule over man, there was nobody left who would dare take their places as leaders, for the fear of retaliation from their eternals was grand and grim all the same, the gripping terror striking down any sense of a need for power. But there was one man who knew that if men were to remain in fear for all their existance that the likes of mortals would never change, stagnating in their filth of a single, unwavering zeitgeist of fear and superstitious zeal. The man named Titus Vatigo seized the hands of the people of Centralia and guided them right into a new age as he seeked to unify them with not fear but knowledge. This knowledge he searched far and wide for, scouring the lands for a legendary source of intellect that his bloodline carried down from the days of glory before the lords struck the likes of man down from their high perch. It was told in hushed stories that man had risen up from groveling in their filth once before at the start of time when one of the many early mortals found a vent that led deep into the earth, a cave that went all the way down to the heart of the god of the earth himself, one that contained the whispers of the zen titan's dreams and deep thoughts. This unnamed primordial had listened to the many whispers of the earth and learned the truths of all existence and in turn led other mortals into the 'Mouth Of Terabius' where they too would learn the world intimately. Those few who were enlightened by the voices spread this intimate knowledge of everything to others and so allowed all of man to advance quickly into a miniature age of enlightenment where even the most common man could wield the powers of sorcery. But alas this allowed man to fall too easily into the clutches of the abyss, their magical endeavors into light having reached a bottleneck that spread out into intense studies of the dark witcheries that were once discovered by Mourgan herself. This pursuit of dubious mystical machinations drew the attention of the guys and in their fearing for the future of man cauzed them to sick dogma upon them all. It was in this age of enforced dark that the Mouth Of Terabius was was destroyed and hidden away from man. But Vatigo knew in his heart that if there was a mouth there was as well another entry into the mind of a god, one he had searched for in secrecy until he unearthed what he believed to be the Orifice Of Earth, the secondary entrance into the womb of Terabius' dreams, and upon entering the realm of zen which had overcome the raging titan's mind Titus Vatigo was assaulted with the knowledge of creation or at least what little of it the titan was conscious enough to absorb. Titus saw the millenias long moments of time in which the gods created the everything. It was an overwhelming knowledge that sank it's fangs into his brain like a snake, seeping it's soporific enlightenment into his every thought and granting him the wisdom of the ancients who rose up high above the mortal spectrum of knowledge like a mighty phoenix. With this wisdom rediscovered, Titus slipped into power over the entire continent, unifying the people under the banner of New Centralia and bringing them a long awaited dawn. In his ruling, he wrote but one holy gospel that foretold of everything from the Allmother's eternal dream of life to the fall of the first man. But it's told through the dark gospels written by worshippers of death and chaos that in his fear of what the people could not handle knowing that Titus had many things stricken from the gospel which he had himself dubbed The Somnifery. These passages and chapters of the Somnifery that told of man's many stumbles and downfalls and close encounters with darkness on their way from the sea to land were hunted down and burned, it was made punishable by death to mention them but still they were gathered up in secrecy and turned into a second book, one much darker and foreboding in it's view of the universe. This was known as the Deep Tome, a book still just as taboo as murder and rape and to some minds just as haunting... This Deep Tome was preached in secret to those with perverse minds who would seek the forbidden knowledge for themselves through a church of the abyss, one started underground by a blind prophet, an ancient woman known only as The Dark Matron said to be descendant from the terrible right hand of Darkest Son, Marqus. Her dark, undying bloodline ran over with horrid acts of defilement against the gods. Titus grew incredibly afraid of this church that he knew was rising up in pockets all over his expansive kingdoms, but he could do nothing to stop it. Between the other religions of the world who worshiped lesser gods spawned from the great gods of the Somnifery and the worshippers of evil who wanted nothing less than the destruction of existence itself, Emperor Vatigo began a crusade throughout centralia to eliminate the threats to his empire built on the fragmented and skewed memories of an intoxicated god titan. It was a crusade that some might say did almost as much damage to the world as the Lordfall, with it's seemingly unending centuries of bloodshed that would follow long after Vatigo would have passed, the elf who reached for the sun only to cast it's fire across the land being both renowned and feared even as his kingdoms fractured into the separate bodies of the spiritually liberal Verdon and the ethically stoic Mardonia. While the crusades may have slowed to a near stop before then, the splitting of the states caused an uproar in the war efforts and so Centralia would be plunged neck deep into violent bloodshed once more, an event dubbed The New Crusades, even if the war had never truly ended the first time. It was a rise in warfare that truly marked itself as a whole new war. It would not be until the seemingly unaging King Vatigo The Greater would be assassinated by the very small congress of warlords he'd commanded from his high throne that the war would lose steam with his far less  glorious son King Vatigo Matovi The Lesser in power. It was this event that gave the armies of Verdon the morale based second wind they needed to fend off the last remnants of the old kingdom that ruled the overbearing kingdom of Mardonia. But it was not Verdon alone that fended the tyrannical rule of Mardonia but the northeastern provinces of mardonia that complete the upper crescent of Mardonian land that cupped Verdon like a tightly gripping hand, these lands that were practically riddled with LIberalia rebels who wanted to be free from the tyranny of a tight fisted and corrupt zealot's failed protege. These many land would soon fall to the rule of once rebellious head figure from the northern named Anthony Kurthlane, forming the new kingdom of Kurth (formerly Kurthlund or Kuthis depending on Verdoni or Mardonian texts). Verdon fought long and hard alongside Kurth, Verdon acting as a supplier of wartime  resources to Kurth in the centuries long conflict for religious independence that only ended when Mardonia was at death's door, holding in place not like a wall but a barrier of corpses,n bloodshed, guilt, and pity fueling a joint decision to end all conflict without the destruction of a kingdom that had clearly been beaten into submission so badly that to this very day the conflict is still clearly recorded in many libraries in books old enough to themselves be considered discounted as tomes of legend. This end to a hellish conflict was recorded on a doctrine dubbed the Tribunal Annulment, a doctrine that stated that all parties be forgiven indefinitely of their sins in conflict against one another. The Annulment would consist of various rules and regulations on how each kingdom was to look upon the other in that none of the three lands were to truly gaze upon the other unfavorably without the approval of yet another kingdom in the condemning of the accused land's actions. This document was transcribed four times, each copy of the document carefully guarded in the capital of each kingdom and in the central hall of the Centrale Embassy, a meeting place for royal ambassadors of the many regions, parishes, villages, and cities of the Centrale Kingdoms. Nowadays the kingdoms waver on the edge of total peace and an uneasy alignment, with Mardonia and Verdon barely able to look at each other and Kurth stuck in the crossfire of such a passive aggressive relationship being held up by the needs of each’s own people.

#War #dark ages #TItus Vatigo #KIngs #History #Lore #Verdon #Mardonia #Kurth #Centralia #Lords #Lordfall #Terabius