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#how jinx embraced this to the point of being a danger to silco’s own power (both in directly interfering with his political ties ie.
badolmen · 2 years
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Thinking about the Mel and Jinx parallels this evening.
#ra speaks#personal#arcane#mel medarda#jinx#sorry mutuals you know the hyperfixation is real when I start making original posts abt it#anyways character tags so I can find this 14 months from now when I’m rewatching the series and I know I’m right abt this#a gilded angel#I want to throw her in a McDonald’s play scape and see if she establishes dominance or gets stuck in the net#just like. hmmm.#political parent who’s no stranger to war and violence trying to impart what they consider wisdom to their daughters#how Mel rejected this and as a result ambessa rejected her (even if she had her own motivations for banishing her daughter ie. it hurt her#to see her daughter struggle w the bloodshed that came w her responsibility)#how jinx embraced this to the point of being a danger to silco’s own power (both in directly interfering with his political ties ie.#the enforcers and indirerectly ie. making others see her as a liability/weakness of his bc of his reluctance to control her#how he largely disregards this threat her actions pose bc he fully accepts her and will not reject her#thinking about Mel unambiguously supporting peace and freedom for the undercity in the final episode directly in conflict w her mother’s#plans to instigate conflict for her own gains#versus jinx literally pulling the trigger on a full blown violent conflict (also against her parent’s wishes to my understanding)#Mel’s mother surviving her daughter in part bc Silco didn’t survive his daughter#jinx thought vi had been dead but she wasn’t Mel didn’t know her brother was dead when he was#I just. I feel like there’s an underappreciated link between these two characters who never interact except when one of them kills the other#ALSO ADDITION 7/12/22 their character arcs have the same question answered in the final episode (identity - Mel taking off the medarda ring#jinx sitting in the jinx chair)#this show drives me fucking insane
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shimmerbeasts · 3 months
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IMMA CHEAT! Gives in cheat card that says one cheat per day
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So, first off! Imma go with Vi. Its who I came to write with you at first when we first meet, and holy shit I haven't looked back for one second. I absolutely love getting to write with your Vi, how we did into who she is since the beginning. I've gotten to see you literally fly off in a jet with her, crafting her sass, her sarcasm, her brutal nature, all of it! I think one of my favorite things I've seen her is your epiphany that she is practically a chem-baroness in Stillwater which continues into Zaun and how Caitlyn is her unofficial deputy. I also love how you've taken so much with her and just created a beautiful, unique, dark version of Vi that is still a "good person" but filled with demons and struggles of her own!
I literally am amazed at how well Caitlyn and vi work together too, like her portrayal of yours works SO WELL with Caitlyn. they are both vastaya, both struggling with situations that are similar, they lean on each other. They are literally the bridge between the two worlds Caitlyn born in Piltover how embraces actions as a Zaunites, Vi who is a Zaunite who embraces the life as in Piltover. They are just two halves of a whole.
Her character and portrayal are so on point and you are my ultimate inspiration for me writing a Vi as well cause without you, I would have never tried and you encourage me so much just as I have encouraged you. I will never not love your Vi, I always want to write with her and enjoy your story with her!
AND THEN! drum rolls
Jinx!!! How can I not mention Jinx. She's so crucial in the development of my Caitlyn, same as Vi, and they are brilliant foils! like goddamn the whole 'she's replacing me' and we literally just kept tacking on more and more of how jinx sees her as a replacement.
But besides our interactions, I am absolutely in love with your darker version as well. For me, it FEELS like Jinx. Not the league version of this playful, silly, dumb blond feeling lunatic that just doesn't shit for giggles. While Your Jinx includes these little things like her playfulness and all, there is still this air of danger. And not just danger.
Intelligent Danger.
Your Jinx KNOWS How to scare people, she knows the power she holds. and she makes sure that everyone else knows it too. And just the depth of her instability and how it influences this intelligence danger too. Jinx isn't just some psychopath going about doing things cause she can; despite her instability it has a reason, a driven purpose, and she is literally Silco's legacy of monstrosity. But I still love how despite all of this, she isn't blanket "only chaos". There is her love for silco, her family unit, her strengths and qualities that bring about more to her! Like ssshit, I love how I can literally have this heart breaking for her despite her being an antagonist (same with Silco but we won't go there cause 2 is my limit XD). But just, omfg!
And I love our tragedy between the sisters. The two who want to help the other, but they cannot accept who they are now, they won't. And just this Greek tragedy design between the two that no matter what ,their story will be tragic and heartbreaking.
But seriously, I could talk about Vi and Jinx all day long but this is getting long and its going to be a text wall in a half on the dash.
Still… no regrets <3 I love ya ^_^
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Alright, you little cheater. *laughs* I am gonna let it slide because it is you, Panda. ;)
I don't mind you talking about both Vi and Jinx because like you just stated, they played such a fundamental and deep role in shaping your Caitlyn. And to be honest, they are a bit of a packaged deal. If the writing goes well with one of them, there is a big chance that eventually, the other one shows up too.
I will never get tired of saying this but without you, Vi would not be who she is right now. Thank you for giving her a chance and most of all, thank you for showing such patience and enthusiasm as I slowly worked out the kinks concerning Vi. Without you and your interest in engaging with her on so many levels, I don't think Vi would have ever made the jump from secondary to primary muse. And I don't think she would have done it as quickly either.
I agree: For me realising Vi is the Chem-Baroness of Stillwater was such a huge moment, especially because I don't think anybody has ever done that concept before. Most people if they write darker Vi, lean more into her brutality and how dangerous Vander used to be. Meanwhile, I feel like my Chem-Baron girl basically took Vander's negotiation ability and twisted it up a bit. Maybe she even took some cues from Silco; though I bet she'd kill me if I ever insinuated this out loud.
To be honest, I do not think I had even planned for Vi to become this dark a character. What is even more impressive, is that despite her violence and dark twists, I can still say with confidence that she is the protagonist and deep down is a good person. I am so glad and happy, that you adore how dark and unique my version of Vi is.
I too will never get over how well they work together. It is honestly insane and borders a bit of a miracle. To be honest, from an outside perspective, you would think, Vi and Caitlyn came from the same writer. That is how much in sync they are and how similar they are in backstory and struggles. I think we had a very deep understanding of what both of us were going for and on top of that, we had an incredibly good read on the bond, we were trying to craft here. Furthermore, I think there is also a massive trust involved with us both. We trust the other's craft and imagination. We trust the other to take the lead once every while. Especially because we know we can always contact the other one if we reach a hiccup in the road.
Honestly, nothing shows that trust more than us starting with Babette's brothel and then out of nowhere jumping forward into post-canon and somehow understanding the dynamic so well that we can write it and you just feel the history behind Caitlyn and Vi. Which again is an insane feat in itself given that back then we had just met each other.
Your love and appreciation of Vi and how I wrote her means the world to me. I am so incredibly happy that you feel her character and portrayal are on point. I am so honoured that I gave you the courage to give Vi herself a try as a writer.
I really love that you were willing to give the Jinx/Caitlyn dynamic the same level of care you gave Vi/Caitlyn. I think we both realised how crucial that second dynamic is for both Caitlyn and Jinx's character. At the same time, we could have just assumed that we do not need to put in the same amount of work, given that it's an antagonistic dynamic. However, I love that we did not settle for mediocrity. I love that even though Jinx's gripe with Caitlyn boils down to "She is replacing me.", we actually really looked at the forms this replacement took and how Jinx's mental instability exasperated it. This resulted in one of the probably most nuanced antagonistic dynamics, I have ever written.
I am so happy and flattered that my Jinx feels like Jinx to you, even though she is much darker in nature. Obviously, compared to League Jinx, she is a lot darker, but I think she even tops Arcane Jinx in darkness to some extent. At the same time, I am glad that you feel I captured some aspects of League Jinx because I still wanted to honour where she came from and who she was originally as a character.
I really like that label of intelligent danger and the notion of Silco's legacy of monstrosity. Because that was what I was going for. I wanted, especially post-canon Jinx to feel like she was Silco's ideology and worldview given flesh. I remember Jason Spisak said in an interview that Jinx for Silco is the spirit of Zaun embodied in a daughter. And I think I took that and tried to push it to its most extreme conclusion. So, Jinx is not just embodying the spirit of Zaun. She embodies the monsters, which call this town their home.
And I love how this translated into an extremely dangerous individual. Like you said, Jinx knows how to scare people. She knows how dangerous she is and she makes it clear that people are not just aware of her danger, but also aware that she is aware of that fact. I am also really glad that Jinx does not feel like a blanket of "only chaos" and instead has all those nuances about her. It was really important for me that not only did her madness stay internally consistent, but also that she was more than just a mad girl. I also wanted her to be more than just Vi's sister or Silco's daughter. Sure, Jinx highly identifies herself with those two labels, but she also has a lot of traits and interests, which have nothing to do with either of those things. And I feel like those interests and traits are where Powder/Jinx the individual in a way shines through the most.
I agree. It honestly is what makes the dynamic between the sisters so special. They want to be sisters again, they want to be there for each other, but at the same time, not only can they not accept who the other one is now, but they also cannot give up who they are now. They have changed so much that they cannot go back anymore.
I never get tired of you spazzing over Jinx and Vi. You shouldn't have regrets concerning that wall of text. It is so wonderful to read. I love you too, friend. Keep being amazing.
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