#i've had posts of mine get shared with the CCs against my own will and it distressed me. i don't want a repeat of that

[sprucewoodmpreg]

Why can't the people that don't want CCs to join other socials just block them should they join? We preach about curating our own online experiences. There are people that don't use/are intimidated by Twitter but still wish to somehow interact with creators in spaces.

Yes, Tumblr went through the thing in 2019. We have tags for a reason. Blocking and filtering.

Why can't they have their own spaces here like we do? This whole thing feels something like gatekeeping? I don't even know if that's the right word for it yet feels closest to what I'm trying to say.

Why can't we all just co exist in our own spaces? Why is it a bad thing that creators want to try and respectfully expand their own spaces? YouTube and Twitch can only do so much for personal fan interactions. I can't speak much on Twitter as I am one of those users that don't use it.

hi i hope it's ok that i still respond to this? mostly just because I wanna make a couple points of my own bc others have said similar things to you.

i made a post here that goes a little more in-depth, but basically, fan-oriented communities are run very differently based on whether the creator they're based around is present or not. with no CC in sight, fans are free to do whatever they want, for better or for worse. but WITH a creator, there's likely to be a small amount of fear, or purity culture (?), in the sense that many people will want all the content that could possibly be seen by the CC to be representative of the community as a whole, and not risk embarrassing anyone, or upsetting the creator.

while i understand why people are using the term gatekeeping, I think I personally disagree with its use here. gatekeeping is usually done with malicious intent, usually "we don't want you here" kind of stuff, with not much else of substance. here, the situation is slightly more complicated. after everything that happened in 2019 hermitblr, me and many others ("others" not being a small group. i'd say at least 20% of hermitblr at the LEAST feel similar to me) are very...on edge, about having creators publicly exist on this site. yes, there are some here already, and they've been fine, but larger creators like Bdubs (who has a very different fanbase to Scott's, for example) may not know exactly how the culture of this site works.

Although nothing major has happened with the creators here thus far, there have been a few issues springing up of people not willing to post in the maintags anymore, or even about those creators at all, considering how flawed the search features are on this website. blocking people also isn't a viable option, as quite often the person you blocked can still see your posts show up in tags and on your dash, regardless of precautions taken.

and i guess my point is...hermitblr has a culture (at least, it has since 2019 onwards) that has predominantly functioned around self-policing, and not bothering the CCs with our content or infighting. we exist here to share and create fan content with ourselves and each other, not the CCs.

if they really are desperate to interact with us here, I'm not against that, since they're adults and they're free to do whatever they want. however, it'd be reassuring if we knew that they understood that this site functions very differently to twitter, and many of us are have blogs specifically because we dislike the culture and environment that that site breeds.

look. in the end, I just think if creators want fan interactions, twitter is perfect for that. if they want to come over to here to see art and writing and the like, they don't even need to make a public account. there are ways around this problem that don't involve actively inviting them here and disturbing the grounds that we've so carefully curated.

#while i dont want to discoursepost anymore if anyone is genuinely concerned about anything I've said or wants 2 - #point out something i've said that was incorrect I'm ok with answering an ask or two #sorry if any of this was worded incorrectly or harshly btw. I've just been stressing out about this since. well #i've had posts of mine get shared with the CCs against my own will and it distressed me. i don't want a repeat of that #yes bdubs might not come to the site and maybe this was all for nothing. but I think this talk is worth having regardless #discourse

[cmykayleena]

cf-sims is thinking about deleting her profiles because of you. How does that make you feel? What you and your clique did to her after you banned her unfairly from your server is absolutely terrible. What cause do you have to attack her so hard for? The ban wasn't enough for you? I've reported your twitter and tumblr, and I'm not going to stop until you realize how wrong you are and how much you hurt her. Fuck you!!!

This is getting quite ridiculous. First let me say that I have the right to ban anyone from my server as I see fit. Second I will say that I am a pretty fair person and only ban when I absolutely have to. THIRD - she wasn’t banned because we disagreed with her opinion; she was banned for bashing the server - which, might I add, is against the rules of the server. Let’s get deep into this, because I’m getting fucking sick of this shit and the hate messages I have received for my decision to ban her. (I apologize to everyone who follows me who doesn’t want to see drama on their dashboard. I’m not one for drama so it severely upsets me that I have to make this post. However, this will be the ONLY post I make on this subject.)

Read on if you want, and I ask anyone who does to make your own judgement on this, because I’m not here to sway anyone from one side to another but it’s clear that both sides of the story need to be brought to the surface.

Thursday afternoon is when CF-Sims was banned from S4MM. It started with a member asking for opinions on whether or not it was okay to share CC in a zip folder when uploading a sim for others to download. The consensus was no and afterwards CF added her opinion which was the opposite of the majority. Here are the screenshots:

So in the next screenshot CF derails the subject in what some believe to be an attempt to question my rules. They believe she was preparing to call me out for being a hypocrite when it comes to swearing. I swear on my Tumblr but I don’t allow excessive swearing in my server.

At this point I’m tired of the subject interrupting the main channel and people’s conversations so I shut it down (plus I’m at work during this time and can’t really pull myself away).

Some time passes and I’m shown a tweet that CF posted a few hours after I shut down the debate on creator TOUs vs EA’s TOUs on CC.

So, she calls me a hypocrite because I curse on my Tumblr all the time but don’t allow it in my server. But let me correct her perspective: I curse all the time on Tumblr (all the time outside of the computer) and don’t allow excessive cursing in my server. It’s a place for all ages, therefor cursing should be to a minimum if it’s used at all. So I banned her with this message:

Admittedly I let my frustration get the best of me, and so the ban reason resulted in me mimicking her post on Twitter. We’re all human, and none of us are perfect. After this I thought it would be done and over with, but my sassy ban caused her to go on a tirade of sorts. In the screenshot below you’ll see her next tweet and the responses from some of the mods.

So she gets a few more replies from some of my moderators telling her why she was truly banned and she proceeds with another tweet.

After a couple more responses she deletes her three tweets:

She continues on in her replies to her followers who commented on her tweets calling us rabid dogs, children, and hypocrites all while being a hypocrite herself. I’m being shown all these tweets at this point and just hoping it all blows over. Some people act out when they’re moderated, some don’t. It’s just what you have to expect when you run and/or moderate a Discord server, no matter the size.

I’m not Twitter savvy, so these next screenshots I share may be out of order, sorry for that. (I’m also not blacking out the names of other people - not to rope them in and get them involved - but because anyone can get on Twitter and see these replies. They’re all public.

Name calling and judgement I’m assuming is due to my ban message saying that other members are kind, respectful, and generally decent people. I mean, I’m not lying. 99% of the members in my server are great people! Of course there are going to be some bad eggs in the mix - it’s the internet, it’s inevitable. On to more screenshots.

Key points here: My mods are rabid dogs at this point. I apparently have a clique, and CF didn’t attack us for our views. Let’s pull up that original tweet.

And on we go.

In response to the reply at the top of the screenshot. Feel free to temporarily join my server and judge for yourself if it has a high school vibe. I basically have an open door policy. You don’t agree with something I do in my server, my mods, or how something is handled you can come to me and let me know and I will do everything I can to make sure we’re on equal ground. Now, in that last reply the controversial view is the thing she continues to ride out in this scenario. She thinks it’s fine to upload a zip file on all CC used on a sim or in a lot and share it while giving credit to the creator rather than just linking to all the CC. Kind of a shitty thing to do, but she’s got free speech and her actions and words speak for themselves.

She pretty much is petty at this point and going against the character I think SHE believes she has. At this point it’s pretty clear to me what her character is.

Yea.. she totally moved on. Here I am rolling my eyes very dramatically.

I don’t think I’ve ever given my true age - I’ve just said I’m an adult player. I’m 34, for the record. All my mods range from in their 20s to my age.

So she just goes on, responding to every person and repeating herself.

Are you looking at the timestamp of these tweets? Apparently she’s got plenty of time for this.

So Friday comes along and I decide to open Tumblr when I have some downtime at work.

At this point I’m getting pissed. Why? Because I let her have her little rant all over Twitter without getting involved. My moderators were amazing and stuck up for me without being asked - there really wasn’t a reason for me to get involved and continue this very petty and ridiculous drama. But here I am, with a hateful anon. So I turned off anon asks and deleted this one without replying.

So I take a look at CF’s Twitter and see this:

Now she’s truly spouting lies at this point because I literally told her that excessive cursing is not allowed while cursing isn’t prohibited. I mean, the proof is there in the screenshots! At this point she’s just… laying it on super thick and I’ve had it. I decide it’s time for me to get involved and set the record straight. If only it were that simple.

I don’t have many screenshots for this because I was focused on correcting her lies and even directly responding to people in her threads to make sure they see the truth and judge for themselves what’s right and what’s not. I retweet her deleted tweet first and respond with this. And from here I will leave you to do what the internet does best and dig as deep as you can and want to in these Twitter profiles.

Here’s mine, and here are my replies. A lot of my replies include screenshots of my rules to clarify the swearing and why she was banned without warning.Here are the replies to my ‘clique of rabid dogs’ that attacked her so aggressively before I finally started responding to her: 1, 2, 3, and 4.Here are CF-Sims’ replies.

Note that absolutely NONE of us harass her, none of us call her names, and none of us actually act like rabid dogs.Take this information and judge for yourself what you think is true and what’s not right. I’m not here to sway you one way or another, but to shed the PROPER light on the situation as a whole. 

This is my only post about this. Any anon hate will be deleted, any hate from alternate Tumblrs will be deleted. Yes I’m serious about a lawyer because I don’t put up with lies and slander. And yea… sorry I have to clog up your feeds with this bullshit drama.

#cmykay #cmykayleena #cf-sims #Caoimhe Faerydae #stupid fucking drama #sorry to clog your feeds with drama