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kpop-magick · 7 years

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BIG BANG: you famous errywhere

A/N: anon: exo or bigbang reaction to you being a really famous rapper? not just in korea but worldwide

I did this kinda like first meeting for some and not for others and like getting into a relationship and i also kinda added in hints that (Y/N) isn’t necessarily korean oop

shit this doesnt really fit the request does it? ooopsie

my titles are really dumb omo

i also kept writing rappers as wrappers so if you find a mistake ^-^’ sorry

i also kinda like.. went to fuckin TOWN on this.

G-Dragon: Power couple AF. You two met when you were doing a photo shoot for a international magazine, it’s main story was about rappers who were world famous and a bit about their stories, there was you, GD, Lady Leshurr(a rapper from the UK) and Valete (from Portugal). The whole issue was about you all, the rappers. The director of the shoot and the editor of the magazine said that you two would do photos together, out of the four you two were a pair and the other two would do pair photos. After asking why it was you two together (not that you minded), they went on to explain their reason for putting it girl-boy would because it would be a better dynamic, it’s ‘appealing’ to the populous. Plus your aesthetics matched up fairly nicely. You two got to talking, trying to get comfortable for the shoot and before you knew it, the shoot was done and Kwon Jiyong was leaving with (Y/N)’s number in this phone. You two texted for awhile before you actually brought up the idea of collaborating on a piece together; there was no hesitation on his part when he agreed. Spending hours and hours on end together, you get pretty close to a person, and that’s exactly what happened with you and GD. You bonded. And not too long after the song was finished, you went on to shoot a video which was even more time spent together. Neither of you minded, of course. You shared a lot of interests and your conversations never got boring; not even once. It was truly amazing how close you two became. Once you had the final cut of the video, you both sat in his studio and released the videos on your respective social platforms (twitter, facebook, youtube, etc etc) at the exact same time. Let me tell you.. The reaction from your fans and his..Woooo.

b o i

The most common thing said about the track was ‘this is lit’ or ‘fucking awesome’ stuff along those lines. Not much negatives, like of course there are always negatives but those you could always handle. o m o The ships tho. All the fans were asking, “Oppa, are you dating (Y/N)?” ‘Are they dating?” “Is GD seeing fellow world famous rapper (Y/N)?” At first, you two laughed it off. It wasn’t like you two minded. But one article in particular got Jiyong thinking. It made so many good points, and a lot of the comments on the video on his Youtube channel started to grasp his attention. By this point, Jiyong didn’t want you to ever leave. It’s like you inserted yourself into his life and he can’t.. No, he won’t let you go. Anywhooo~ The article was putting out all these points, trying to prove that the two of you were seeing each other. ‘(Y/N) seen coming out of G-Dragons studio at 3 am” “Seen together getting coffee.” Little things you two had done during the making of the song and video but he couldn’t help but start to see you two as.. well... kinda a couple. You had so much in common. What pushed him over the edge to make the move was the comments. He was astounded by them. “Is GD-oppa and (Y/N)-unnie dating? I hope so they are, they look so good together!! >.< !!” “They have to be dating! In the video, they look so comfortable around each other! It DEFINITELY was not acting!” “They’re so perfect together!! Ahh! Oppa, I’m so happy for you!!”

Wow. It was amazing the response to sheer rumours. But then he got an idea, he grabbed his phone and sent you off a text.

It was so casual, like nothing changed. You took it slow, not like molasses slow but like.. A nice kind of slow that’s not boring af. It wasn’t confirmed for a very long time, dates were late and a lot of them consisted of in the studio because you were both finishing up albums. But eventually, the public found out. Your close friends and family all knew but you kept it out of the media for a long while. But once the world found out you two were together..

You two became THE rapper Power Couple.

T.O.P: When you two initially met, it was pretty chill. You were judges for a new rap show, rappers from all over the world came to perform and well.. You and some other well known rappers judged. Not too difficult. You met on the first day of briefing(like when the director and writers explain stuff), neither of you really could finish introductions because it kinda just went like..

“Hi, I’m-” “(Y/N), I know who you are. I’m--” “Big Bangs T.O.P; yeah I know who you are too. “ ;P

From there, it was all light conversations in between takes. It took you two awhile to really become good friends and exchange numbers; doing so after the finale of the show, which was a fair while after you two initially met. Casual texts were shared until you were finishing up your most recent; calling him up for him to do a feature, saying it was an eye catcher. You talked him into it, letting him know the part was pretty much written; all he had to do was come in and record. But almost surprisingly, he went further than that. On the outside, Choi Seunghyun looks like a rather cold person but get under that and he’s actually... Well.. Pretty weird, in the best way possible. He decided to come into your private studio and discuss everything with you, recording, adding a few things here and there. And he even took a big leap with saying they should do press for it, release teaser photos; maybe even shoot a teaser trailer.

Well dang, that was a fun time. When the teasers were released, the media had a field day. Both negative and positive comments, as per usual but it was great. There was so much buzz. So you decided for the first ever performance of anything from this album it should be the song you made with T.O.P and you wanted him to be there. So you asked him to, ready to almost plead but he agreed wholeheartedly.

The performance went off without a hitch. It was great, you both had fun and you discovered your hidden adoration for the Korean rapper. You didn’t have long to think on it, because apparently he had thought about it too. And made the first move.

And it just took off from there.

Taeyang: He hadn’t planned on meeting you at a fashion show, well.. He hadn’t really ever planned about meeting you. Yes, you were both pretty fucking famous but you two never had any form of interaction. And now here you two are, sitting side by side at a fashion show. To be fair, you didn’t plan on this either.

You two definitely didn’t plan on wearing outfits that worked well together. He sat on the right in pretty much all white while you were on the left decked out in black. Definitely an unintentional aesthetic.

During the show, you two would nonchalantly converse; talking about the styles to the designers then it went on and on; going from favourite fashion designers to favourite artists then it went onto favourite foods. After the shows were wrapping up, you two ended up chuckling about your respective outfit choices. It went from there, you went to the after party together. It was just so relaxed, talking to Youngbae was easy; for both you and him. He thought you were pretty great, he mentioned a few times about how he liked your rapping style. Time passed, drinks were had and numbers given to the other and then you both went to separate sides of the party, figuring you two should socialize with others; lest you have a scandal on your hands.

But you two were still texting each other from the other side of the room; you discovered a lot about him before you left the party. For one, he was actually rather stubborn. When he decided on something, well.. He didn’t want to let it go, so when he suggested he should teach you some dancing and you refused; you never heard the end of it until you gave in.

It took him only 3 days.

3 days.

You became weak when it involved Youngbae, he had become a true friend to you in all the time you two talked. Boy was he happy you agreed. Triumphant one isnt he? You had to admit it though, you had a lot of fun with him. You two laughed and joked; having a great time. You even did learn some of his dances, Good Boy was a favourite.

He suggested you two do this more often. You agreed. But then he added a little something at the end. “But like a date..”

Oh.

Daesung: He honestly wasn’t one hundred percent sure if you really were (Y/F/N), the (Y/N) when he saw you at this party, a benefit of some sort. What if he asked and he was wrong? Well, too late, he asked. After you nodded, he smiled and introduced himself, you exclaimed that you were a fan and boy... Was he happy to hear that. You two got chatting about everything, from your hard work and dedication to where you’ve traveled and where you still want to travel to. You became fast friends, Daesung was almost pinching himself. (Y/N) was world famous! So was he, but still. He was a big fan and they just exchanged numbers. Like holy shit.

w o w

You two started texting on and off, occasionally sending photos of where you were. And slowly but surely, you two were such close friends. He was so.. Great, funny, caring and like it was amazing. Good thing he thought the same as you. So texting soon became video calls, a lot of the time you two were in hotel rooms or backstage, rarely in the same time zone. There were times where you talked for hours. Once you were backstage, getting your hair fixed before a concert, snacking away on something and face-timing Daesung. That’s when the stylist asked how long you two had been dating.

Girl, that blush could put a lobster to shame.

You both were bumbling messes as you managed to get out that you two weren’t in fact dating. The stylist apologized politely, but anyone could’ve seen she was shocked that they weren’t a thing. But that little incident sparked everything into motion. BIG BANG members and their stylists, as well as your team started a betting pool (respectively) about when you two would start dating, or at least admit your feelings for one another. Everybody could see it. Apparently not you two. A bunch of fucking clichés you two were.

It took 2 weeks and 4 days. You two were in the same time zone, the same country in fact! You were trying to get him to tell you where but he, for some odd reason *wink wink* he wouldn’t tell you. I wonder why. hmmm so mysterious. It was all part of his plan. It took a bunch of organizing but he was able to get into your dressing room (not like that you pervs) You were sitting in a chair, waiting for the hair stylist, playing a game on your phone when you felt hands playing with your hair; you assumed, of course, that it was your stylist. But then it got weird, they were just messing around, playing with your hair. So you tore your attention away from the game, about to ask what the hell she was doing, when you see Daesung. Boy, were you happy. You couldn’t help but hug him, skinship may have been something a bit too personal in Korea but you were casual about it. Automatically, you were like “what the fuck? why the hell didn’t you tell me where you were, you meanie!” He chuckled, rubbing his neck, getting rather nervous. And that is when he just word vomited everything he had planned to say. But you had heard enough of what he said.

“You’re lucky you’e cute and I like you too.. Sheesh I was worried when you wouldn’t tell me where you were.”

“Sooo, you worry about me?~~;)”

“Dae, I swear...”

Seungri: He was a secret fanboy, no denying it. You were the (Y/N), the amount of times he’s listened to your songs is hilarious, okay maybe not hilarious, more sweet. Before he even met you he had a crush on you. Like, the (Y/N). He had actually been to a few of your concerts, of course secretly but still. It showed how much he truly enjoys your music. He may or may not have a playlist of your songs and interviews on his phone.

So when it was reported that you were sighted in Korea, in Seoul of all places when he was actually in Seoul? He couldn’t help but try and cross paths with you. Somehow. You two were both world famous, but Big Bang and (Y/N) had never crossed paths, never been to a party or benefit together, never had a concert in the same city let alone country at the same time. But now, you were in his turf; his home. He wanted to meet you. And you two did meet. At a club of all places. (what did y’all expect? a park?)

Your first meeting you two kinda performed together, kind of. How this happened? Well, you were found out. Somebody recognized you and of course, a fuss was made. You were brought up on stage, everyone cheering you to rap, to perform for them.

You weren’t really expecting for this to happen, you hadn’t really anything prepared. But hey, you weren’t world famous for nothing. The lovely little maknae of Big Bang swooped in for the rescue. Not literally but he got into the DJ booth and started a beat, one you could follow well. It was similar to your style, so it wasn’t that hard to freestyle and perform for everyone.

After a little awhile, you said your thanks before making your way into the VIP area of the club, now that management knew you were here (and you performed for them for free might I add not a lot of famous artists would do that lets be honest) management placed you in the VIP section automatically. And that’s where you met, he got there just before you. You recognized him because A) you saw him going to the DJ booth B) he’s a member of Big Bang. Duh.

You gave him your thanks and he complimented you on your skills. It all was downhill from there. By the end of the night, you two had exchanged numbers with promises of keeping in contact.

You two messaged for a while, both going on tour soon so texting quickly turned to phone calls before concerts and face timing after them. Falling into this routine was simple and fun, easily becoming something that you definitely looked forward too. Was it weird that Seungri was the last person you wanted to talk to before going to bed? Maybe it’s a sign. Like a pretty damn large one. That, sweet (Y/N) is when you realize that.. Shit, you like him, Lee Seunghyun. Seungri, maknae of Big Bang.

fuck

You didn’t want to ruin a pretty much perfectly amazing friendship. But you couldn’t keep talking to him knowing you were hiding the secret so.. You sent him a text.

Well damn. That worked out well.

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nofomoartworld · 7 years

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Hyperallergic: How a Chatbot Became a Conceptual Poet

The Amme Talks by Ulf Stolterfoht and Peter Dittmer (Triple Canopy, 2017) (all photos by the author for Hyperallergic)

I am distrustful of technology. To be precise, I am skeptical of the cost we pay for the ease technology provides. I turn off Siri, tape over the built-in webcam on my laptop, and disallow the location services on most of my iPhone apps. I can’t watch the widely popular dystopic sci-fi show Black Mirror because every scenario in which our reliance on technology ends up causing trauma and death seems very real and plausible to me. This, perhaps, makes me unlikely to be interested in artificial intelligence. But, inspired by conceptual poetry, I decided it was worth exploring.

In 1992, artist Peter Dittmer created the chatbot installation “Die Amme,” which is German for “wet nurse.” Active until 2005, Amme consisted of a screen, keyboard, and glass of milk kept behind a glass wall. The viewer interacted with Amme via the keyboard and screen, conversing as much as they could stand or until some mysterious action caused Amme to spill her glass of milk (via a mechanical arm of sorts), which indicated the conclusion of the conversation. Many viewers tried to provoke this dramatic act by frustrating or upsetting Amme with aggressive questioning, but what’s interesting is Amme’s ability to withhold this act, only spilling the milk when she decides. Her language (which Dittmer called her “sass reserve”) was composed of pieces of previous conversations with viewers that Dittmer culled, adding what he deemed interesting to her lexicon.

The Amme Talks by Ulf Stolterfoht and Peter Dittmer (Triple Canopy, 2017)

In 1998, in the hopes of filling Amme’s reserve with stimulating language, Dittmer invited poet Ulf Stolterfoht to converse with her. But it wasn’t until 2003, when, interested in Amme’s potential as a language teacher, Stolterfoht began a series of chats with Amme. Fourteen years later, Triple Canopy has gathered translated transcripts of their conversations (Amme only speaks German) into a book, The Amme Talks.

Amme’s language is riddled with odd spellings and phrasings. Early in their talks, Stolterfoht attempted to control the chat to provoke the insight he sought:

Stolterfoht: Here we are, on Simon-Dach-Strasse.

Amme: You are ze public.

Stolterfoht: And I am the public. It could start like that.

Amme: Can this machine be happy that you’re nt of the professional art criticism.

Stolterfoht: Our talk is meant to help me clear up a number of things. Problems concerning poetics and semantics.

Amme: Well! Iz sadly a fact that woman can’t do without ze manly helper’s help.

Stolterfoht: Fact: is already the first auxiliary construction. One no longer speaks of the world, but rather of the existence and nonexistence of facts.

Amme: To an machine is indeed arbitrary two too rant to the world.

But Amme does not play along. She does not write poetry or easily offer profound statements about language, art, the world, or realism — all topics Stolterfoht raises. Instead, she operates on a purely syntactical level, using inquiry as a means to push the conversation further. Her goal is only to continue a successful conversation; meaning is only secondary to that.

Lucy Ives,Nora Khan, and Alexandra Kleeman discuss The Amme Talks at Triple Canopy

“We wanted it to be something enjoyable to read, like poetry,” explained Lucy Ives, one of the book’s editors, during the book launch at Triple Canopy with writers Nora Khan and Alexandra Kleeman. But the difficulty of Amme’s exchanges is what makes her most useful to poets, particularly for conceptual ones. The experience harkens back to Kenneth Goldsmith, one of the earliest conceptual poets. In a profile for the New Yorker, Goldsmith famously claimed that conceptual poetry doesn’t have readers; it has thinkers. Despite Ives’s hope that the text be enjoyable, reading The Amme Talks, I wondered how much relevance enjoyability has to this form of poetry. The best poetry challenges us, often forcing us to see language, and in turn the world, differently. This occurs in the moments when Stolterfoht embraces Amme’s syntax, allowing her to drive the strange path of the conversation.

Stolterfoht: Here it comes. We could talk about metaphors.

Amme: I don love to apply metaphors.

Stolterfoht: Last time no realism, today no metaphors—what’s left?

Amme: Realism stinks.

Stolterfoht: Metaphors shine.

Amme: Why Martha?

Stolterfoht: Why not?

Amme: Thata it haz a decenscy.

Stolterfoht: Above all: that is has a character [Art]!

Amme: That’s not my style [Art]. (Concerning th decenscy.)

Stolterfoht: A kind of [Art] of Marthametaphor.

Amme: Meta w h a t?

Stolterfoht: Metaphor. Transference. A speaking picture.

Amme: How smart you art.

Stolterfoht: I actually expected more help.

The Amme Talks by Ulf Stolterfoht and Peter Dittmer (Triple Canopy, 2017)

Stolterfoht once again offers up a lofty concept he hopes to discuss. But this time he abandons a strict interrogation in favor of playing Amme’s language games — “Realism stinks / Metaphors shine” certainly has a poetic ring to it. At the launch, both Kleeman and Khan highlighted the passages in which Amme demonstrates more personality and sass as the most successful and interesting. “Every time she questioned when Ulf asked about heaven or God or the future or love,” noted Khan, “She would say, what is that? Or completely negate or bleed out the context.” Khan suggested that what makes these moments fruitful for humans, and poets especially, is that, “I am forced to imagine what a world without any of the frameworks or contexts I have would even look like, which is what I think the best experimental poetry can do. It defamiliarizes your context and pushes you completely out of what is known.”

Amme treads heavily in the unknown realms of language, forcing the reader to reflect on our own use of language. Stolterfoht asks, “Can one say then, that words have a reality, in the proper sense of the word? That seems strange to me.” Amme’s response, “This talk conceals the real. It’s just chatter.” Is this because he is talking with a chatbot or because language can never touch what’s real?

But other moments seem to elevate language above all else:

Stolterfoht: Who is speaking?

Amme: The speaking authority.

Stolterfoht: Not a person?

Amme: Depends on whether 1 has importance.

Stolterfoht: Language would be the final authority. You could say — language speaks.

Stolterfoht’s suggestion of a pure, authoritative language does not account for Dittmer’s editorial role in selecting and constructing Amme’s prose, since he ultimately built her vocabulary. “In that sense he is still teaching, the data that is going in, the corpus of words and syntax that is going in is still reflective of his taste,” Khan argued. Kleeman added that because the process is not purely algorithmic, editing becomes a form of authorship. Even with Dittmer in the background, Amme pushes language towards its breaking point in a way a human could not. When Ives questioned whether Amme could be a writing teacher, Kleeman explained teaching writing as a little hammer breaking writing patterns, “talking to Amme is like that, she makes you find alternative strategies for trying to communicate.”

The Amme Talks by Ulf Stolterfoht and Peter Dittmer (Triple Canopy, 2017)

The Amme Talks highlights the rigidity and malleability of language: how it bends and shifts when pushed in an unnatural or inhuman way. Despite my wariness of what Khan calls “banal AI” (Siri, Cortana, Alexa), conversing with machines like Amme magnifies shifts happening on micro levels between humans, as human communication shifts from face-to-face to screen-to-screen. There is striking similarity between the miscommunication in the transcripts and those in my own life caused by quickly texting a friend, a point raised by an audience member during the Q&A. While corporate AI attempts to smooth out these occurrences, Amme shows no interest in this. Her language revels in roughness and, in the hands of poets, expands our notion of language’s relation to the world — as the best poetry should. It also forces us to face the imperfections in our own communications and the ways in which we daily take language for granted to do the work for us, rather than precisely select it.

The Amme Talks by Ulf Stolterfoht and Peter Dittmer is out now from Triple Canopy. The book launch with Lucy Ives, Nora Khan, and Alexandra Kleeman was held at Triple Canopy (264 Canal Street, 3W, Chinatown, Manhattan) on Monday, July 18.

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