#so like hghhfds the more things change the more they remain the same

[semercury]

Okay so WHY does Shipping Wiki list Bruno/Abbachio as "semi canon"??? Y'all pls don't give me false hope 😫😭

(Meanwhile Fugotrish/Giotrish pages: cricket noises 😭)

i honestly didn’t even know there was a shipping wiki lol!

before i attempt to answer your question and give my opinion, i do have to just say like... what does “semi-canon” even mean? and what qualifies as canon? i ask the second one because like. i remember being confused one time when someone said a ship was canon (in a different anime) and i was like “but they never got together?” this person considered it canon because, i believe, the creator said both characters had feelings for each other and it was strongly implied within the text that they had feelings for each other. but because of their roles and jobs, they couldn’t actually be together. so like... does that count as canon? because i feel like, obviously if a couple does start dating, that’s obviously canon. but what about things like that? do reciprocated feelings without an actual romantic relationship count as a ship becoming canon?

which then begs the question what SEMI-canon means at all! does semi-canon mean if the feelings are there but for whatever reason they can’t or don’t end up together? does it mean ONE person has feelings? does it mean it’s strongly implied but never confirmed? like what is the definition? i feel like you can’t categorize something without having a clear cut definition.

(i keep babbling way too much with these and i don’t want to clog up people’s feeds rip)

but as for answering why it says that... i think it’s mostly wishful thinking. wikis can be edited by anyone. i would question the sources and what was cited if they have anything listed. because my understanding is that there really aren’t any canon ships at all in va, at least not with the main cast. like, i think it was pretty clear sorbet and gelato were together as were squalo and tizano (tho i believe even they’re not technically confirmed by araki?), and i guess we could say diavolo/doppio and donatella are a canon couple? but again like... do one night stands/flings that don’t amount to a full relationship count as being canon?

i feel like i was told (and i tried to look up a source, but all i got was like. people yelling about ships and articles with bad takes, as you do when you look up anything to do with ships, so don’t quote me on this) that araki said none of the va crew were in a relationship? that like... he wasn’t writing romance and he was just writing an adventure story. and while i generally don’t take what authors say outside of their works to mean anything important (i’m sorry tolkien, it’s a war allegory. i don’t care what you say.) it like... isn’t a romance and there isn’t a focus on romantic relationships. and while i’m all for finding little nuggets of information and drawing your own conclusions as a reader/viewer, it does also require textual evidence in my book to be considered any kind of canon or formal interpretation of the work. and while i certainly see where fans are coming from with abbacchio and bruno and why they’re shipped together, i don’t feel like there’s enough concrete evidence to confirm anything. i think there’s lots of room for the imagination to fill in blanks and draw lots of different conclusions, but to me, that’s not the same as being canon (or semi-canon, which i still don’t fully understand what that means). (and please also note this is coming from an anime-only. idk if there’s smth in the manga that maybe i’m missing that does confirm something more.)

i have a sneaking suspicion that someone edited the wiki to that because they shipped it and have lots of headcanons that they are treating as canon. and like. fanon can be fun! popular theories and headcanons can be fun! but i feel like a lot of people confuse the popularity of a headcanon with being actually canon. i think they knew they couldn’t get away with marking it actually canon, since there is no confirmation, but since enough people want it, they could get away with semi canon. and i’m not saying it was done maliciously either. i think a lot of people really do want proof and feel that validates their ship.

which like... brings up an unpopular opinion i have, which is like. i prefer shipping non canon ships. a lot of times i don’t want my ships to become canon. i’m in another fandom where i actually ship the main, popular ship (which is shocking for me, as i almost always ship rarepairs or at least like, less popular ships) and the creators have confirmed that the ship will be canon and endgame at some point. and like. i don’t like that. and i’m sure it has to do with how i go about shipping and why i enjoy shipping. i enjoy the what if’s of it all. and coming up with different ways they could get together and why they aren’t together now and what little hints can i use to show why they should end up together. and like. once it becomes canon, idk. like that’s it. everyone now has a concrete answer for how they got together. like show’s over, time to go home.

and i’m aware i have this attitude because i prefer using fandom for transformative works. i enjoy writing and reading fic. i enjoy the creativity and exploration of it all, and i want the freedom to let my imagination run wild and come up with different ideas without having to worry that someone’s going to tell me i didn’t do it like canon, or this canon thing contradicts my idea.

i know some people want their ships to be canon in order to use it as like... some kind of leverage against other shippers. as if having their ship become canon proves they’re superior to people who ship the characters with someone else. like, i’ve been involved in fandom for a long time, and boy oh boy have i seen my fair share of ship wars. and i always thought they were stupid. like. someone shipping a character with someone else does not invalidate your joy from shipping your ship. like at all. and i’ve never understood why people get so angry about it. like this is supposed to be for fun. and like. none of these people exist anyway.

but back to the canon/semi canon stuff... i’m very wary of what a lot of people in this fandom say. i’ve had people tell me certain things happened or certain characters were confirmed this or that only for me to find out that like... no, that didn’t happen at all. there’s a lot of misinformation in this fandom, and i think it’s because it’s so large. it all becomes one huge game of telephone, where someone suggests something and then down the line people are swearing it’s 100% canon. and idk, i do find it harmful to a degree. because there’s instances like what you’re describing, where you’re getting false hope. or there’s times where like i’ve had opinions formed for me about certain characters because of things i’ve been told only to find out they were completely false. (the best example i can think of off the top of my head is about jolyne. since i’m anime only, i really don’t know much about her. someone told me she wanted to have sex with snails, and i was like well idk if i’d like a character who wants to have sex with snails?? that just seems weird. and i told my friends who have actually read the manga, and they’re like “no... sarah that was so out of context... no, here’s what she actually said...”)

so like... idk. i wouldn’t put too much stock in the wiki or what youtubers say (because many have led me astray too. someone on youtube said narancia passed the lighter test, like actually kept it lit, and i was like then wait, where did his stand come from? and my friends who read the manga looked all that up too for me, and we came to the conclusion that the “passed the test” line in the manga was supposed to mean that like. he didn’t die. but i spent several months wondering where the heck aerosmith came from.)

at the end of the day... read the manga, watch the anime, draw your own conclusions. and canon or not, enjoy shipping what makes you happy. none of these characters are real anyway. we’re all just having fun with fiction.

#ask #anon #all those articles and pages i found were like ''what's the best jojo ship?'' #and i'm like the one that makes ur heart do the most smiley emojis NEXT QUESTION #idk. shipping politics and the obsession of ships being canon never sat right with me #but i've been frustrated with fandom and shipping discourse for a decade #so like hghhfds the more things change the more they remain the same #anyway i apologize if this doesn't make sense #i have a horrible headache hghgfds