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hi there!!! i saw that you ship joey x susie, but i was wondering why you don't ship samsie? they're my otp and i'm curious on your opinion.

Hello there, anon! Thanks for sending this in, it was a curious and pleasant surprise to log onto! Without judging those that do ship samsie, I’d be happy to go into my reasons on why I don’t.

1. They’d be boring. Of course, this is my opinion that I’ve gathered from characterization of both Susie and Sammy that we’ve been given so far. The only thing that they have in common is their love for music. That’s it. And while they could partake in a few cute activities together to share that passion, such as singing/playing at a lounge, that’s not enough foundation for a relationship to build upon. Personality wise, they would clash. Susie is passionate and was canonly well-like around the studio, but we also know that she has a fire in her and is very emotionally driven. Sammy is serious, grouchy, not very personable nor does he seem to hold interest in anyone around him unless it involves a complaint (see: his understandable annoyance towards Joey). One is logical while the other is emotional – while opposites can attract, they often flat line if there is no deeper connection shared between them. A big reason I ship joesie is because they do have this while samie lacks it: both Joey and Susie are dreamers that are career-focused and extremely passionate in their goals. They will go to great lengths to be sure said dreams are met and are both stubborn with determination. There is more to be shared between joesie: they would be a roller-coaster of taboo/unexpected love, angst, regret and longing. It makes for a more interesting ship.

2. Misogyny. According to the canon batim novel, Dreams Come to Life, Sammy is described as a “product of his time”. This is showcased in two instances: when it is heavily suggested that he is racist towards an angry Thomas (a known poc character) and sexist towards the new head of the animation department, a woman. Susie, unlike Sammy, is a modern thinker. Unlike the vast majority of women in 1920′s - 1930′s America, she is a career woman with self-fulfilling dreams and plans for herself that, at the time, did not involve giving all that up to settle down and stay home with children. If Sammy is truly a product of his time; then like many men in that time period, he would want his lady to give up her career to become a homemaker once married. I can’t see that going over well with Susie.

3. Sammy not warning Susie. In the Employee Handbook guide (considered canon) that was released, we get to see the actual memo Joey sent out to all employees – except Susie – regarding her sudden replacement with Allison Pendle. The memos went out at the start of the morning that very same day, as the words “this afternoon” are used. This means that literally everyone under payroll got this memo, Sammy especially. Susie returned after lunch to see Allison in her booth, talking with Sammy. If there were any romantic feelings between the two of them, wouldn’t Sammy have felt horrible for Susie and pulled her aside to tell her what was going to happen? Instead, it was all business to him and he allowed her to walk blindly into such a heartbreaking and sudden event. As Malice, we even hear Susie call Sammy a “good liar” – probably thinking all of his support was nothing more than blowing smoke as her supervisor and nothing more.

4. Fleeting attraction. Based off a couple of Susie’s tape recordings, we hear her call Sammy “handsome” and/or with a tone that suggests she having a crush on him. It’s widely fanon that this initial, physical attraction was when she was first hired and put under the direction of Sammy via the music department and before her one-on-one lunch date with Joey. There is no mention of Sammy after the luncheon as well as no hints towards she maintaining her physical-based crushed on him or it developing into something more. Everything became “Alice Angel and Joey” for Susie, while Sammy began to focus more on his work as his addiction to the ink grew (as seen in the novel).

5. Susie’s shifted feelings. Unless you’re in denial, Susie’s unexpected attraction to Joey in said tape is obvious. She calls him charming, sounds giddy about getting to have lunch with him, and her tone drastically changing to one more sultry when mentioning he calling her Alice and how much she liked it. From that point onward in the tapes, timeline and discussions with Malice, Susie’s emotional highs and lows start to branch from Joey’s actions and Joey’s alone. This suggests that her initial crush on Sammy was forgotten as she took a greater interest in Joey. 

6. Alice’s Angel’s wrath. As far as we know, Malice and Sammy leave each other alone in the ink-replicated studio years later. They don’t seem to visit another, don’t talk about each other’s whereabouts or recent activities, and frankly don’t seem to care about each other’s existence at all. Yet, what do we hear a lot of from Malice? Pain and anger regarding Joey. Of course, this is to be expected after what he pulled. But did you pick up on the spike of emotions since she met Joey? Even after she was fired/replaced, Susie’s level of upset towards him and what he did to her screams a girlfriend scorned rather than simply a ticked off employee – as if there had been something more. All of her emotions, both high and low, stem from Joey and not Sammy. I was half expecting Sammy and Malice to interact in some way during BATIM; the fact that they didn’t? It solidified their lack of interest in another in my opinion.

7. Sammy’s “Special One”. During the Hot Topic interview with “ink” Sammy, he was asked many question to which everything was posted publicly on Twitter years ago. When asked about Susie, he said he called her charming smile (Susie used the adjective charming to describe Joey) and voice. Then, in a separate question, he was asked if he has a “special someone” at the studio. Sammy’s reply? He couldn’t recall their name! If he remembers Susie but not this special person … they cannot be the same. According to Sammy in that interview, Susie did not hold any special place in his heart

NOTE: Like I stated above, if you ship samsie? That’s fine! Ship away! This is just my blunt, honest opinion on why I do NOT ship them and see no chemistry at all. Thank you for sending this in!!

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