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gatos-e-flores · 4 months
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my personal interpretation about the ending of the forgotten turnabout
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piratejenna · 4 years
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Turnabout Punchline
So, for literally no reason, I started thinking about what kind of cases I would like to see in Ace Attorney 7 (if we ever get it) and as a part of that I started to thinking about what kind of pairings would be fun and how to work in all my favorite characters that haven’t been seen since the switch to 3d. And I have stumbled upon the most surprisingly perfect paring, which because it’s me, has spiraled out into a lengthy outline that I’m getting really excited about, so I thought I’d share it with y’all.
Welcome to Turnabout Punchline! Athena’s first solo case, with Raymond Shields as her “assistant”
Based on my thoughts for an overall story for the game, this would be the 2nd case in the game (first full case)
Athena gets a client (Nick and Apollo are both unavailable for some reason [maybe Nick/Apollo is working a case with Trucy? Or family bonding trip for the siblings?])
Client is disappointed it’s Athena
The client is some kind of stand up comedian, but not a super well-loved one. The victim is someone they had an openly antagonistic relationship with
Something related to their alibi or the case is some legal work they did through Edgeworth Law Offices, and Athena goes to get more information
This is something related to either the issue with the victim or whoever the culprit is. Maybe something like they got sued over stealing material, or maybe they sued someone over the same
Ray is introduced with a joke off screen and his theme kicks in before we see him (he needs to still have the hat, but it would be cool if we saw him with the coat. and since he’s wearing the coat, maybe he’s wearing his badge?)
One of his dialogue boxes is “Edgeworth Law Offices” and he gives a small explanation of his history with Gregory
Athena mentions that she’s met Prosecutor Edgeworth and asks if there’s another Edgeworth who’s a defense attorney
This is a connecting point between her and Ray later, that he’s carrying on Greg’s legacy, but he’s still his own defense attorney
As he’s giving Athena the info she needs, she confesses that she’s nervous because she’s never been on a case by herself (without any help from anyone [maybe Simon is also occupied with something else]), and even the client doesn’t seem to believe in her
She may even half jokingly suggest she hand the case off to Ray
Ray tells her that he’s not busy and if all she needs for a confidence boast is somebody to stand around for her to bounce ideas off of, he’d be happy to help
Ema is the lead detective on the case, but Kay is also here doing a lot of the detective things, though Ema is the one who appears in court (we bounce back and forth between seeing Ema and seeing Kay. for the first investigation segment we don’t see them interact, but they might refer to each other)
We don’t find out until the end of the case, but Kay is there on Yatagarasu business and isn’t an actual detective.
Athena asks something about Kay at the end of the trial and Ema’s like “oh she’s not a detective”
Ray jokes throughout the case, and Athena shifts between taking him seriously and joking along with him.
Athena’s actually able to tell when Ray is joking and when he’s serious, which initially freaks him out, cause she can hear his emotions. However, because she knows Simon, she doesn’t really call him out on this and will play along, so they end up making a pretty great duo. (She does call him out at least once, but she does it when it’s just the two of them, which will be used to help emphasize her psychology training)
She does this in front of Kay at one point, who is very impressed and laughs at Ray, who jokes that he understands Miles a bit better now, referring to how Kay frequently seems to be “stealing” Miles’ thoughts (not sure how direct this should be, since we want to keep the Kay-Miles connection pretty vague at this point)
At one point, they see some notebooks and Ray comments he doesn’t like that brand. After Athena guess why, he says “that, plus they have an awful aftertaste”
Athena’s response in her inner monologue is something like “why would you lick the paper?”
Day one in court, the prosecutor is super tough
I kinda like the idea of the prosecutor being legit corrupt and creating forged evidence
This is why Kay is here. Miles has her looking into this situation
She and Ema are both furious after the first day
Athena (with Ray’s help) is able to get a second day, but Athena’s confidence is shot
Something about the situation causes her to shut down, panicking about how no one seems to be listening, this the thing with Simon all over again
Ray jumps in before the Judge declares his verdict and helps break Athena out of her spiral and offers a suggestion for how to get another day
To help her with her confidence, Ray gives Athena the truncated version of the IS-7 incident, explaining that when he was her age, the first case he was on went so poorly and he wasn’t able to save his client. However, he points out that despite that he’s still working as a defense attorney. He’s managed to pick himself back up. He even managed to get his client acquitted later. He assures Athena that if someone like him can do that, she certainly will be able to. She is in a much better place than he was, and even if she falls that far, she can get back up, and he expects she would do even better than he did.
Investigation goes well. More Kay, trying to find some solid proof of the corruption going on. She and Ray have some banter. Maybe see Little Thief? Feels like that’d be fun for Athena. Or maybe Athena pulls up the mood matrix to show Kay and she gets so excited about it
Day 2 in court. Athena is really nervous. Ray gives her a pep talk explaining that she’s a great lawyer, but she’ll never reach her full potential if she’s focused on being the next Phoenix Wright. Because Athena Cykes is too amazing to deprive the world of. He encourages her to do the case her own way, reminding her he’s there as support, but that she doesn’t really need him.
Day 2 goes better and Athena wins the case through some clever use of her mood matrix, pulling it off in a very unique way. It’s tied in with her psychology thing. Like she pieces it together not based on the logic of events but based on her understanding of the kind of person the culprit is and how they would react/behave. (This can be reflected somewhat in the investigation portion in regards to what Athena focuses on [there’s evidence that seems kinda weird and unrelated but Athena sees how it connects])
Maybe have some fun stuff with the client too. Like they come off as a jerk, but Athena can hear the fear in their voice and very quickly figures out this is a coping mechanism. Maybe uses this in the final, like you have something you can present to show that if your client had committed the murder, they would have done X instead of Y, or maybe you can work through that in the connecting the dots thing)
After case scene with Ema. Maybe Miles swings by to congratulate them, exchange some words with Ray, and vaguely hint that he’s here to visit someone (maybe he says his daughter, or maybe it’s completely vague)
[This is the build up over the whole game, that there’s some connection between Kay and Miles, but we don’t see them interact directly until the very last case, where at the very end of the game, we are told that Kay is essentially Miles’ daughter. There are hints to this effect throughout the other cases, as since our game prosecutor is corrupt, Kay is present throughout every case doing her Yatagarasu thing, though her presence in the other cases might just be references until the final case]
So there’s my ideas. I have a few more thoughts about overall potential ideas, and honestly I’m getting really attached to the pairing of Athena and Ray so I might actually write something for this at some point. Let me know what y’all think and if you have any questions/ideas. And here’s hoping that AA7 isn’t just a pipe dream!
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