#vs. what I’ve seen of the ww.dit.s fandom’s treatment of Guill.ermo

[starbuck]

You know, the turn away from “chubbie men hav cute sqwuishy tummies uwu!!!!” and towards “fat, hairy men are hot, actually” has done WONDERS for both my gender dysphoria and just generally how I feel about my body.

The former reeked of infantilization and fetishization and made me feel gross whereas the latter makes me feel good and like I have agency in way I present and how that’s perceived. And it definitely makes a difference that I’ve primarily seen the latter sentiment coming from queer men - it feels more like us saying “this is how I look (or want to look in the future) and it looks good!”, which is not what the former ever felt like to me.

#does this make sense?? #and like. no offense to anyone to whom the first sentiment was validating/helpful but this is just how I felt #i’m not in either of these fandoms so i’m probably about to get crucified twice over #(this is just based on what’s ended up on my dash over the years so FAIR WARNING) #but it’s essentially like the way I’ve seen Az*raphale treated by the g**d om*ns fandom #(who like. isn’t even fat btw… it’s been too long since i’ve read the book to recall if it’s in the text anywhere there but as far as the #show goes - it feels to me like the fandom just decided he was chubby/fat 100% in order to fetishize him under the guise of fat positivity) #vs. what I’ve seen of the ww.dit.s fandom’s treatment of Guill.ermo #which is VERY LIKELY biased since I’ve not seen the show and i’m not in the fandom so i’m sure plenty of gross fetishy stuff gets said/made #about him #but as far as I’ve seen people are just like ‘he’s hot’ in a totally normal non-gross way #and that all the other Large Hairy Men in the show are hot also #bc see that’s what it is #I see the former thing and it feels fetishy and i’m like ‘that’s gross’ but then in turn it makes me feel gross about myself #I don’t wanna think of myself as having ‘chubbie tummie uwu uwu uwu!!!!!’ - I just wanna Exist ya know? #and feel good about my existence #and seeing other queer + trans men talking about their own experiences in a really affirming way has been SUPER helpful to me #and okay one more thing - REALLY swinging a bat at a hornet’s nest now but being weird/fetishistic about fat/chubby men is a BIG problem in #the t*rror fandom #some of the shit I’ve seen about Cr*zier is just… bleghhhhhhhh #again i’m sorry if this stuff is the peak of validation to some people and i’m stomping all over it #but it just makes ME PERSONALLY uncomfortable and that’s all i’m saying #oh also this is okay to rb btw!! #if anybody wants to