#whereas ocean is actually just trying to debate him specifically w/o changing the audiences mind quite as much

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Vaush almost seems manipulative in the way he talks about religion, like i feel very strongly that he doesn't actually think religion is *quite* as bad as something like toxic masculinity but he wants his audience to feel that way, so he keeps drawing comparisons between religion and all these other fucked up things like antisemities or whatever, to give the impression to his audience that he genuinely thinks its that serious, and knowing how a lot of ppl can be in his audience, whatever vaush thinks they decide to take as like the best most intellectually and well thought out take ever, no self analyzing, no questions asked, and i feel like hes manipulating that fact to his advantage, he literally said in his debate w oceankeltoi (which i wasnt gonna watch but did eventually bc i heard vaush kinda sucked in it (and he did)) that hes okay with using peer pressure to try to discourage people from being religious. It seems like hes going to try whatever he can socially to like. Shun anyone whos religious or any of their beliefs and is probably even totally okay with ppl bullying religious ppl so long as the social pressure gets people to stop. Which. Uh. I feel like i shouldnt have to say is a pretty fucked up philosophy

#you are already putting too much work to control ppl just existing #social. political. systemic. wherever you're putting this energy to control it will only end badly. #anyways this whole stuff kinda made me look at him in an entirely different light. #i think hes become too convinced hes always right and has got really into his ass. idk if hes changed since that debate tho bc #i stopped watching him for a while even before it #the problem w that debate is that vaush is doing the thing where hes actually debating the beliefs of certain audience members #whereas ocean is actually just trying to debate him specifically w/o changing the audiences mind quite as much #oceans here trying to understand vaush and vaush is just here to try to make ocean look stupid. not actually understand or come to a #mutual understanding or literally anything. idk. but its pretty frustrating how he devolved to JUST doing that in debates. #hes decided religious ppl are evil or whatever and thus refuses to meet ocean on an equal and respectful level. theres so much lack #of respect here. #i also sorta feel like vaushs 'what about those ppl who think their gods are always in the right' thing was bc perhaps one of his audience #members decided to screenshot one of my posts where i said 'ppl need to accept that their gods arent inherently good' but accidently #typed are instead of arent and idk. maybe its a reach to decide thats why he brought that up but yknow. i do sometimes feel like yall #(hi vaushs community whos probably stalking me online bc i used to be in the community and you think im cringe bc i love #my main boy shiv) #well. ig obviously i feel like some of yall stalk me to poke fun at me and prolly posted that in his discord or smthn #idk but. its gotta stop if its happening bc im literally just some guy #I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT I DONT THINK VAUSH IS ABUSIVE BC IDK HIM LIKE THAT AND CANT MAKE THAT CLAIM #just bc someones being manipulative does not make them ABUSIVE which is a whole different and bigger step towards Bad