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ljones41 · 7 months

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"LOST" Retrospect: "The Wrong Promise"

Following a re-watch of the "LOST" series finale, (6.17-6.18) "The End", I did this re-write of an old article about a scene between Kate Austen and Claire Littleton:

"LOST" RETROSPECT: "THE WRONG PROMISE"

While going over old "LOST" articles and forums, I had come across a post that asked members how they would have ended the series. After reading several other sites and articles, I had my answer. There were two things I would have changed. I would have included two other original characters in that final scene inside the afterlife church. And I would have removed one line from the transcript for the series finale, (6.17-6.18) "The End".

But I am here to discuss the second change. I wish that showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse had not allowed Kate Austen to promise Claire Littleton that she would help raise the latter’s three-year-old son Aaron after reaching civilization. Following the demise of the Man in Black aka the Smoke Monster, Kate and fellow castaway James "Sawyer" Ford made their escape from the island, while the latter was crumbling. Dr. Jack Shephard and Desmond Hume had unplugged the island's electromagnetic energy in order to make the Smoke Monster mortal. Kate and Sawyer used Desmond's boat Elizabeth to travel to the nearby Hydra Island, where the patched up Ajira 316 plane awaited them. Near the shore of Hydra Island, Kate and Sawyer found Claire, distraught over being abandoned again. Kate convinced Claire to follow her and all three made it aboard the Ajira plane. During the flight away from the island, Claire had expressed her fear of being a bad mother to her son Aaron, whom she had not seen in three years. To reassure Claire, Kate promised to help the former raise her three year-old son. And here is where Lindelof and Cuse made their mistake.

Now, I realize that Kate was simply trying to assure an agitated Claire that everything would be all right, once the latter was reunited with Aaron. Especially since Claire had been stuck on the island for three years and had not seen her son. Yet, a part of me suspected there was more at play. Because as far as I am concerned, Kate’s promise to help raise Aaron struck me as the wrong one to make. Why? It was not possible for her to meet this promise.

In the Season Four episode (4.04) "Eggtown", Kate's attorney had made a deal with prosecutors to allow her to take a probation deal, instead of face more trials over other crimes like insurance fraud and bank robbery. He used Kate's reputation as one of the Oceanic Six - one of the few Oceanic survivors who managed to return to their respective countries back in January 2005 - as a reason they would find it difficult to convict her. Personally, I found this argument ridiculous, but Cuse and Lindelof allowed it to stick. The probation forced Kate to remain in the United States and California for at least ten years. When she had departed Los Angeles on the Ajira Flight 316 in Season Five's (5.06) "316", Kate had broken the terms of her ten-year probation after two years.

According to the show’s canon, the period between "316" and "The End" spanned roughly two weeks. Chances are, Kate had left the country under an assumed name. And since Ajira 316 had been missing for two weeks, I suspect a great deal of publicity would have generated from the plane's return to civilization. I would not be surprised if not long after her return to civilization or U.S. territory - the plane was originally destined for Guam Island, Kate ended up in prison for breaking her probation. And once the authorities also learned she had lied about being Aaron's biological mother, there is a chance they would have prosecuted her for the New Mexico bank robbery and other crimes. Worse, Kate's mother - if she was still alive - might consider testifying against Kate over Wayne Janssen's murder. After all, Kate had never been cleared or convicted for that crime.

Even if Kate had simply decided to follow Claire to Australia, I do not see the chances of her playing a future role in Aaron's life. One might consider the possibility of Kate moving to Australia after serving time in prison for breaking her probation. That is another possibility I do not see happening. Why do I have doubts about both possibilities? I doubt very much that the Australian government would have allowed Kate to re-enter the country. Before Oceanic 815 had departed Sydney, Australia; Kate had entered the country under a false name and as a fugitive from the law. Which means she had entered Australia illegally. I just cannot see the Australian immigration authorities allowing her to set foot on the country's soil again.

Also, why would Claire need Kate’s help in raising Aaron? Kate had left the three year-old in custody of his biological grandmother, Carole Littleton, less than a day before leaving the United States. Ms. Littleton had custody of Aaron by the end of the series. And to be honest, I believe she would be the best person to serve as Aaron’s guardian, considering the tenuous nature of Claire’s mental state in the series finale. I certainly cannot see Ms. Littleton allowing Kate, a criminal who had deliberately kept her grandson away from her for nearly three years, near Aaron while he remained a minor. In fact, I do not even see Claire allowing Kate to be anywhere near Aaron. Hell, I would never allow a child abductor with a series of crimes hovering around her, near my offspring again . . . even if that person had helped me get off the island.

All I can say is . . . what were Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof thinking when they had allowed Kate to make that promise to Claire in "The End"? They could have found another way for Kate to ease the young Australian woman’s fears other than with a promise she had very little chance of fulfilling. And for the past thirteen years, many "LOST" fans have automatically believed that Kate had helped Claire raise Aaron. Without Carole Littleton’s help. Now that I think about it . . . what were they thinking?

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deluweil · 1 year

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At first, it was Buck reaching for Eddie,

Then Eddie reaching for Buck,

Now, they're reaching for one another,

#someone explain the end of 6x18 again to me #i have a whole ass theory #I'm screaming in my head since yesterday #eddie diaz #evan buckley #buddie #911 4x14 #911 6x10 #911 6x18 #911 spoilers

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911bts · 1 year

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#911 fox #911 spoilers #s6 #6x18 #aisha hinds #im gonna be spamming y'all today with all the end of the season photos 😅

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chaosandwolves · 1 year

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Chim hurt. Only Hen and Buck are wearing a harness.

So Eddie and Chim are trapped and Hen and Buck out of their minds coming to the rescue. Both Chim and Hen will be confronting Eddie and Buck about WHY they're absolutely losing it and make them half admit their feelings.

Buddie hug each other hard when Hen and Buck finally get to Chim and Eddie.

Last scene:

Eddie opens the door to a nicely dressed Buck sheepishly holding flowers in his hand.

"Hey"

"Uhm I thought I'd bring you these." He hands over the flowers and Eddie smiles.

From behind Eddie a grinning Chris and an amused looking Carla appear who says, "Ok I'll be taking these. You boys go and have fun."

Eddie presses a quick kiss on top of Chris' head and walks out to the car. Buck grins at Carla and Chris says, "Have a good date, Buck, " while he starts giggling and Buck looks kind of embarrassed.

"Thanks buddy," he answers and Carla winks at him before Buck follows Eddie to the car.

#buddie #evan buckley #eddie diaz #See what I did there?#Ending the season on the word 'buddy'#Idk I just think it would be neat #Ficlet #I guess #911 bts #911 cast #hen wilson #chimney han #kenneth choi #ryan guzman #aisha hinds #oliver stark #6b spec #6x18 spec

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danversbegins · 1 year

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buck rescued eddie and they held hands

#the episode ended here actually #then they went home to their son and cuddled on the couch #evan buckley #eddie diaz #buddie #buddie gifs #911 on fox #911 gifs #911 on abc #my gifs #6x18 gifs #911 6x18

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imascar · 1 year

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Devils advocate, aka best friend, who is admittedly a fandom-aholic and a multi-show fan, and who has seen a lot of favorite shows get canceled, said that Fox knew that they would not renew 911 and thus the writers and producers had the job of finishing the series off with a nice little bow.

So this is what she thinks will happen. Pls note that this is not my opinion. I'm posting it more as food for thought. Also, she is a massive Buck and Eddie fan but doesn't feel like their story arc was meant to end by Seaaon 6.

Here goes...

Kameron goes into labor while the 118 is dealing with the collapse of the bridge. She calls 911 and is told that help will be delayed (or something like this) and gets up to take herself to the hospital. She opens the door and is greeted by Natalia, who has her hand raised to knock on the door. Kameron is overwhelmed with contractions, and Natalia helps her to the couch. Long story shory, Natalia helps Kameron give birth to a boy (she thinks) on the couch, and then the EMTs come in a short while later and take mom and baby to the hospital. Buck gets called by Connor as he is nearing his front door and is told Kameron gave birth to a healthy baby boy with help. Buck asks, who helped, and opens his door to find Natalia in his kitchen. She is sipping something (tea, maybe) and turns around and says, me. They talk and Natalia said she came over to apologize and would like another chance. Buck is charmed and says, sure. Also, Natalia mentions he needs a new couch, and Buck says something like, yeah, about that. (End scene)

Eddie is back at the hardware store since his home sustained some kind of minor damage (?) He has one arm supported in a cast or sling. He is painstakingly picking out supplies and runs into Marisol (again) and they talk. She offers to help him, mentions returning the favor, and Eddie stares at her for a few seconds, half shrugs and says, sure. They leave the store together, chatting away. (End scene)

She said Chimney and Maddie are perfect because the writers could have them get married at the hospital with the aid of a chaplain or end the series with the intent to marry in the future off-screen.

Hen and Karen, along with Denny, are also perfect, she said, because their ending scene could be something really sweet and domestic at the house or at a park. (She loves romance.)

Bobby and Athena, as we already know from Oliver, will be the last scene, and my friend thinks that Athena will have the last words of the season and might say something about finally taking that honeymoon while holding Bobby's hand.

(Seriously, she should be writing her own series or fanfic. Her imagination is really something. )

..... she said the intent could always have been to leave Buck and Eddie open to explore later on, but that also, no one could have predicted the chemistry between Ryan and Oliver, so who knows.

I'm tired after writing this.... I'd like to take a nap but sadly, work calls. 😪

#911 spoilers #911 fox #soon to be #911 abc #season finale #6x18 #speculation #buck and eddie #buddie #bridge collapse #madney #eddie diaz #evan buckley #buddie should be end game

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no-moremusic · 1 year

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btw if my “at least they’ll all be in a decent place by the end of the season” show turns into a “cliffhanger wait till next season” show you don’t even know the horrors i’ll be facing

#don’t. hopefully they just filmed out of order and everything’s fine in the end🤭🤭🤭#911 spoilers #911 6x18

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chambersofthesea · 1 year

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Hey how are you? I’m dying to talk/rant about h Jess & Rory and how unfairly Jess was treated so can we chat/rant for hours about it?

I'm fine with answering questions about them if you send asks, but unless it's about Jess not being focused on more in the narration, and it's about "Jess was unfairly treated by Rory", I'll probably have to pass on that one.

#jess mariano #gilmore girls #i plainly don't think Rory treated him horribly #yes she made mistakes on her end when it came to their relationship #and yes the moment in 6x18 was not good on her side #but she plainly admitted to that and apologized for it #and frankly a lot of fans think that Rory not immediately reciprocating Jess's feelings is her 'treating him unfairly' when that's not #how life or feelings work #I think that even Jess doesnt put it against her that she also isn't pining back for him #Jess knows what his feelings are for her #his feelings are his own responsibility and whether he chooses to tell Rory about them or not is also his decision #rory can't just read his mind; and I think it's weird to expect her to be able to do so

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unrealisticlea · 1 year

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the only thing that makes sense is if there’s a Madney courthouse/hospital wedding in 6x18. Otherwise there are just too many people for 40 minutes. And I’m not even thinking about the extras (like the athlete from the earthquake) but how the hell are they gonna fit a May scene and a Hen and Karen and Denny scene and Josh and Sue scene in the midst of it all. We know a big part of the episode is gonna be focused on the 118 rescuing the 118 and we know Buck is gonna be busy with Connor and Kameron and Eddie’s gonna have to wrap up his lonely storyline so my best guess is that we’re gonna have May graduation-like event with the entire cast (main and recurring) celebrating together at the end of the episode. Also the last scene in 6x18 could have been the last scene ever there’s no way it’s not an ensemble scene.

#I’m also guessing Buck and Eddie are gonna have girlfriends by the end of it but the girls are not gonna be at the wedding #and instead they’re gonna have a scene together with Chris for buddie fans #I still think madney deserved like 10 episodes getting to their wedding and a huge celebration like lone star did with tarlos #But they’re gonna say something “I don’t want to waste another minute not married to you”#911 6x18 speculation

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ilostyou · 1 year

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i hate that this episode isnt over yet btw i hate knowing there's more happening and how badly everything could turn (again) in like four seconds (again)

#every time i pause it i look at the time stamps and im like #damn can it just be over already happy ending please #i feel so sickkasdghdj #m watches 911 #911 spoilers #911 6x18

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ljones41 · 11 months

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“LOST”: “The Wrong Promise”

“LOST”: “THE WRONG PROMISE”

While going over old "LOST" articles and forums, I had come across a post that asked members how they would have ended "LOST". After reading several other sites and articles about the series, I had posted my answer.

There was one thing that I wish showrunners Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof had not added into the script for the series finale, (6.17)"The End". I wish they had not allowed Kate Austen to promise Claire Littleton that she would help raise the latter's three-year-old son Aaron after reaching civilization, while the pair was making their departure with a handful of other survivors aboard the patched-up Ajira 316.

I realize that Kate was trying to assure an agitated Claire that everything would be all right, once the latter was reunited with Aaron. Especially since Claire had been stuck on the island for three years and had not seen her son. But in the end, Kate's promise to help raise Aaron struck me as the wrong one to make. Why? It was not possible for her to meet this promise.

When she had departed Los Angeles on the Ajira Flight 316 in (5.06) "316", Kate had broken her plea deal from (4.04) "Eggtown". She would have to remain in California for a ten-year probation. When she had left California and the United States in (5.06) "316", Kate broke the terms of her probation. According to the show's canon, the period between "316" and "The End" was roughly two weeks. Chances are, Kate had left the country under an assumed name. And since Ajira Flight 316 had been missing for two weeks, I suspect a great deal of publicity would have generated from its return to civilization. I would not be surprised if the moment she returned to civilization after the plane's departure from the Island, Kate ended up in prison for breaking her probation. That would have left Carole Littleton to help daughter Claire raise Aaron.

One might consider the possibility of Kate moving to Australia after serving time in prison for breaking her probation. That is a possibility I do not see happening. I doubt very much that the Australian government would have allowed Kate to re-enter the country. Three years earlier, Kate had entered under a false name and as a fugitive from the law. Which mean that she had entered the country illegally. I just cannot see them allowing her to set foot on Australian soil again.

Why would Claire need Kate's help? The latter had left Aaron in custody of the former's mother, Carole Littleton, a day before boarding Ajira 316. Ms. Littleton had custody of Aaron by the end of the series. And to be honest, she would be the best person to serve as Aaron's guardian, considering the tenuous nature of Claire's mental state in the series finale. Considering Claire's mental state, I cannot see Ms. Littleton would have allowed Kate, a criminal who had deliberately kept her grandson away from her for nearly three years, near Aaron while he was a minor. In fact, I do not even see Claire allowing Kate to be anywhere near Aaron. Hell, I would never allow a child kidnapper with a series of crimes hovering around her, near my offspring again . . . even if that person helped me get off the island.

All I can say is . . . what were Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof thinking, when they had allowed Kate to make that promise to Claire in "The End"? They could have found another way for the fugitive to ease the young Australian woman's fears. And for the past thirteen years, fans automatically believe that Kate had helped Claire raise Aaron. Without Carole Littleton's help. Even to this day.

#LOST #lost tv show #lost tv series #carlton cuse #damon lindelof #lost 6x18 #6x18 the end #lost series finale #ajira 316 #kate austen #Evangeline Lilly #claire littleton #emilie de ravin #carole littleton #susan duerden #lost 5x06 #5x06 316 #lost 4x04 #4x04 eggtown

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deluweil · 1 year

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I have burning Buck and Eddie questions,

I mean, I've come to terms with the bad storytelling, the repeated patterns and unfinished, at least in a satisfying way, thoughts displayed on the screen for the entire characters. (Hen's medical adventure, the friction that was between Buck and Chimney, Athena's dad, Bobby and Athena's honey moon (you can't tell me that that frame out of nowhere in the end of the episode said anything, it looked like it slipped in accidentally in editing.) and so many other things that will take me at least two posts to cover.)

But back to my Buck and Eddie questions,

Why?

Why have that couch flirting convo in the beginning of the season?

Why this entire domestic vibe? The fully baked lasagna after three tries? - It was perfect and it was ready and it smelled great.

In parallel to Marina from Station 19, when Maya (this very season) while in therapy, brought Carina a lasagna that gave her food poisoning. Because she was in a hurry when she baked it, that she brought it to Carina before it was ready.

Which, in correct writing world, means Carina and Maya are at a stage they're are not ready to get back together, they need a little more baking (Maya, more time in therapy, and Carina to trust her again) before they are fully baked - ready to get back together.

Buck's lasagna was perfectly cooked! And he served it to Eddie and Christopher.

Is that to say that the lightning strike spoiled Buck? (who apparently is the lasagna in this analogy somehow) and suddenly he's not ready anymore? Maybe he needs one more try before getting with Eddie? but that's beyond three tries - Abby, Ali, Taylor. Death girl makes four, so wth?

Is Marisol representing third try? Shannon, Ana, Marisol. I that what we're waiting for?

Because Eddie seemed ready, after the hospital, after roaming the halls like a ghost until Buck returned to him. - And in full, because they drew so close together after that, to the point that Eddie and Christopher spent their extra time with Buck, in his loft, on the wooden chairs at that wooden table, and none of it seems comfortable, and there's no couch, but Buck was home.

They were comfortable and happy with him.

And he is comfortable with them, happy to have them there.

He couldn't find the peace and quiet and space to heal in his own apartment, it kept getting intruded (I'll circle back to that later) so he found his refuge at Eddie's, he was asleep the second he rested on Eddie's couch, Eddie is home, Eddie is safe.

And the writers made it a glaring point that IT IS Eddie, because Christopher isn't part of the scene, so it's not the second parent here, it's Eddie's partner, his not yet but should be spouse.

In 6x13, we have the glaring parallel between Denny's bio father with Hen and Karen finding out, to Buck being entrusted with Christopher without needing Eddie there to supervise. (going all the way to S3 btw.)

What was that??

Now if it was the only interaction for that episode, I'd chalk that up to fathers and father figures and leave it at that.

But it wasn't - It was preceded by a freakishly domestic scene with all three of them and that POKER DATE - Because it was a date and you can't tell me otherwise.

Both unbelievably dressed up, Eddie looking at Buck like he's his entire world, like he's the only one in that room!

And he timed the exact time down to the second (like Chimney timed the time it would take help to arrive if Maddie gave birth at home and something went wrong) that Buck was dead. - The exact time Buck left Eddie, broken hearted, not breathing, looking like someone ripped his heart out and wheeled it away with Buck.

And Buck looked just as smitten in that poker game, he was having a good time, and seemed completely in awe of this new piece of information about Eddie.

He also glances back a bit in Eddie's direction when he says the exact time Buck was dead, if they were alone, would Buck have asked him or tell him like Maddie told Chimney? "You timed it." - Because that was the essence of that look.

What was the point of that episode??? - It cemented the Buckley-Diaz family so hard, that it was so hard to ignore.

But Eddie says in that episode, when the three were sitting together and he went full-Buck on the research of the side effects of lightning strikes victims. - He says that there was a guy who was struck by lightning and "the lights would turn on and off every time he walked into a room."

Which is the definition of how Eddie sees Buck, especially now after he died and came back and let them drew him closer to the Diaz boys.

But Eddie also said "But it didn't last." - "Only lasted a few weeks."

A few weeks, until Buck met Natalia - who "sees" him.

In between, we have Pepa trying to set Eddie up, but (aside from the fact that Buck's reaction was to ghost her) he wanted to let Venessa down easy, but she beat him to it.

When he says "You don't want to break abuela's heart."

She answers, "Or mine. You understand."

And he did, he does understand. And he was content to move on from there, thinking he wasn't alone, until the funeral scene and then the cemetery where Buck snuffs completely that light he brought with him and tells Eddie that Natalia "sees" him, better than anyone, better than himself.

Was that the writers way to tell us that it was pining Eddie era? that Buck is in crisis?

Because after Eddie was shot he got together pretty immediately with Taylor, after Eddie left he kissed Lucy, now he's dating Natalia after almost dying? A death doula? talk about morbid.

What was the point of that romance? If you can call it that?

In between we have wedding talks, and smores, and Christopher falling asleep on the couch while Eddie goes to get some smores in perfect imitation of Buck, and buddie sitting impossibly closer in the truck while talking about proposals and that damned camera moving to Eddie and Buck when Bobby says "It means you two were meant to be." - Like WTF?

Also, Why would we like Natalia for Buck if her reaction to learning about his life is to walk away as fast as her legs would take her??

And remember when I talked about intruding in the beginning (in connection to 6x12)? Well here we are again.

We have at first Cameron barging in (like Connor, in 6x12) and load all her problems with the other problem child in her life and then in 6x18, Buck leaves the door open for the paramedics, but Natalia barges in through the doors, and then also goes as far as asking if they shouldn't wait for the professionals, either forgetting Buck is a firefighter and is trained for it or doubting him even before they started something together, instead of asking him "have you done this before?" or "Do you know what you're doing?"

That would have gone over way better than looking for outside help inside someone else's apartment who gives you clear instructions of how you can help, it's pretty obvious that he at least half knows what he's doing.

And what the hell was it that made him ask the woman who not, say around three hours ago? came back into his life after leaving him to his mess (Ana, anyone?), to pick out a couch with him?? like wtf?

Like what was the point of it?

Now that I've covered Buck, I'm back to heartbroken Eddie, and don't tell me he wasn't on some level. That look he gave Buck at the cemetery, tells a long and painful story, the one where the bottom line is that he is not enough.

For the first time, in a really long time, Eddie is not enough to the one person who made him feel like he's everything.

Buck saved his life more than once, he SAT with him when he was going through A HARD TIME! (bathena parallels - scream with me!)

What is happening?

In complete rehearse of S4 - Eddie is going for help to everyone but Buck.

This time, it takes the shape of Bobby, on that father in-law, trip to the hardware store, where Bobby gives Eddie the right answer, but Eddie is not ready, not willing or doesn't think it will help to accept it.

Because that person that Bobby was paralleling to Athena ( in a vague way, of course) is Buck, and Eddie knows that too. - He says "So you definitely weren't looking for it." Eddie didn't look for Buck, he found him, he made Buck like him, made him his friend, his co-parent, his pretty much everything.

Because without Buck, Eddie has always floundered, looking for some anchor in the dark, whichever form it may come. - And while Ana came out of nowhere and Eddie was not yet aware of the potential of him and Buck and was stuck in the heteronormative narrative of a "Boy needs his momma" concept, he's well aware now.

Without Buck to steady him, he clings to the next person, who is "right in front" of him, and that is Marisol. It doesn't make her right for him, it just makes her there.

Now, how in the hell did they exchange numbers but talked for the first time weeks after everyone healed (except for Buck, somehow, lol), when in 6x17 Eddie was walking away, is beyond me, maybe telepathically. 🤷‍♂️ - And that "Like a date?" - that awkward first conversation is incomprehensible to me, you've talked, you've exchanged numbers, why does it feel like it's the first time?

Also that rescue in 6x18, I have a lot of medical and procedural questions about that half baked (like Maya's lasagna) scene, but what bugged me the most, was the lack of emotion.

Buck's entire family was in danger, and Buck is being entirely too cold about it? No. Buck wears his heart on his sleeve.

So where is the checking on Eddie as soon as possible, just to make sure he's breathing normally? Where's the hovering over Bobby?

Or going in the ambulance with Chimney? Or calling his sister? Why is Athena the one handling Eddie so gently, but not his best friend?

Where is the emotion? In season 1 Buck said he didn't want to be that red eyed robot, he wanted to be able to feel everything, where did that go? Has Buck resorted to working with his head instead of his heart? Is that the reverting back to Buck 1.0? Not because Buck 1.0 didn't feel anything, it's that he didn't want to get close to anyone who could leave him.

Is that what it is? Because the only real emotion Oliver gave us for that episode, was when held Buck's baby for that split second then handed him to Cameron. - There, and gone.

Now both JLH and Oliver stark are masters at making people FEEL things, tear up with them, why not here? What was the mechanics behind that emergency?

It wasn't interim captain Buck - that was Hen ("Hen that's you"), So what was that??

I have so many question, a lot of WHY, and WHAT, and WTF?? and a variety of WH questions. My mind is a confused mess, if buddie is nonexistent, explain this to me.

Go back to that gut wrenching scene in 2x08 (BUCK ACTUALLY) and make that journey with me up to those confusing 15 minutes of 6x18. - And explain this to me in a way that doesn't sound like stubborn blindness among other things, how buddie is only in our heads?!

If you've managed to get this far, thank you.

Sorry if I insulted someone but seriously this is driving me crazy.

Sending comforting hugs to this beautiful and nutty fandom 🤗❤

#eddie diaz #evan buckley #buddie #911 spoilers #911 6x18 #loooong rant #deluweil has a lot of thoughts #i have so many questions #explain 6x18 ending to me again #911 fox #118 firefam #so many parallels #too many to be a coincidence #911 s6 buddie meta

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