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y-rhywbeth2 · 15 days

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Hi. Read you post about the dead three's chosen, and I was wondering about the "We got the threat of sexual exploitation (assuming it didn't happen), there's a subtle undercurrent of incest to some interactions" part. Is this something in the game that I missed? Is it a dnd lore thing?

I also looked through some older posts about Bhaal/Durge stuff, and... Jergal is ruthless and manipulative?! How bad is he? Like, what can a Durge who is free of Bhaal and may be protected by Jergal expect, both in life and afterlife? Are there no good options for Durge (except maybe becoming immortal)?

Also just wanna say thank you for all your dnd lore posts. I've mostly just played in homebrew games, so wotc dnd lore hasn't come up much, and I'm learning so much from your posts!

The good news about Jergal is that he has at least shifted from Lawful Evil to Lawful Neutral, so he's probably somewhat less of a jackass...? We hope. He also tends to prefer subtler manipulation, and seems to let people's own personalities steer them (because they'll take them where he wants them to go naturally); Bane in particular is his unwitting puppet, apparently, but Jergal hasn't directly pulled the strings at all yet, for whatever reason. Jergal's faithful usually 'live' in the City of Judgement on the fugue, or he has them as undead scribes working in his temples on Toril (I imagine it's the same paperwork whichever plane you're on). It's a quiet, but not terribly interesting existence. I doubt he's steal Durge from Bhaal to use as a scribe though. Usually if he needs a servant on the Prime Material plane for some task or other he sends them back as an undead of some kind if/when they die (he likes mummies, usually). He might also be manipulating them into becoming some kind of powerful outsider he can subtly puppet like the Dead Three, or Kelemvor, or Cyric... I really don't know.

(Also I think we're supposed to take Jergal being the 'good guy' at face value in-game.)

Durge could move planes to escape the divine shenanigans. The Dead Three in current times are bound to Toril, and Jergal cannot directly bother you in the city of Sigil at the centre of the universe (which all gods are forbidden to enter on pain of total annihilation courtesy of the Lady of Pain. He can send pawns to bother you, but can't go there or do anything himself.)

No problem. (Unsurprising; homebrew is much easier to manage. I can't imagine how people who are obsessed with the lore of multiple DnD settings cope.)

And Durge's other 'duty' as Bhaal's Chosen, and their extremely normal relationship with their father is going under a cut.

There's nothing in tabletop lore, past a disturbing Bhaalist spell ('attraction') that can cause love/lust in targets, which is built into Bhaal's avatars and manifestations; some gods having a tendency to sleep with their followers; and a comment from Ed Greenwood that many clergy encourage people to have kids (more people raised from birth within the church = more souls and power for the deity). Also apparently having a tattoo of a god's holy symbol is often a turn on for that god's priests... for some reason...

This stuff mostly comes from the BG3:

The exploitation:

Durge is expected to provide more Bhaalspawn for Bhaal's plans, and always has been. It's most obvious in the feral ending, where Bhaal destroys their mind and puppets them directly, but it's still on their to-do list if they keep his 'love' and become his Chosen:

Sarevok Anchev: 'You failed to bring forth issue while you helmed our cult. It is a mortal sin for a Chosen. I even hoped you and my daughter might one day create a new blood-lamb for us, but it is not to be...'

Durge: 'When I bring ruin to the world, will Bhaal allow me to spare my beloved?' Sceleritas: 'Of course Master! We will always need to sire more Bhaalspawn! Although if they are not up to the task we may need to find you a breeding-mate. Or ten.'

As with anything else in Durge's life, they have no say in Bhaal's intentions for them. They start that conversation off by asking permission to keep their lover and don't even get to respond to being told that they're expected to be breeding stock, probably with a wider range of 'partners'. Just silent acceptance.

The incest:

As ever I could be reading into this, but I'm not the only person who picked up on it so maybe not.

The most overt instances of this implication crops up in the original feral ending and the current, where Bhaal is subjecting Durge to constant rape by inflicting sexual hyperarousal on them and forcing them to have sex in order to breed an army of Bhaalspawn by cross-breeding them with various monsters... which they don't actually remember, because it's not the monsters they're thinking of during the act, where it's implied that Bhaal is forcing them to think of him:

*Your memory of last night's act is absent. In the moment of mounting, your mind emptied itself, and you could think only of Bhaal. The gnoll's rump seemed to become his Temple's graven altar where you once led worship.*

"Father, I love you. I'm a good spawn. A good little spawn."*

Alternatively: "a good boy/girl."

And in one of the Bhaalist religious texts you can find in game that describes how Bhaal basically gives his followers orgasms when they murder:

"Once Bhaal's favour has quickened within one oh his beloved murderers, the bliss of his love is nigh-indescribable. For he blesses his loyal with a new sensation: a mindless, instinctual, primal sensation that comes within the bowels, an erotic spasm that washes over the killer, in the moment of murder. It is said that in that instant, his Divine Essence can almost be tasted. Forsake all other hedonisms, acolytes, for nothing can compare. Until the true ecstasies of murder wash over you, initiates, this scroll contains a prayer, you may say after a kill, calling for the Lord's disgrace to find its course in your body."

The Urge - which is Bhaal as much as it's Durge- does/can cause sexual arousal, which indicates that Bhaal does do this to them or is at least inflicting his own 'pleasure' on them by experiencing the kills through them.

*Your body feels aroused imagining a broken twisted neck, and a thrill thinking of a trailing intestine.*

'I feel the most intense pleasure [when killing]. Arousal, even.'

*The masterful painting [Minthara] depicts of the massacre awakens you hungrily.* Durge: 'Stop! I'm growing aroused!' or Durge: 'How delightful, I'm very eager to begin.' Nightwarden Minthara: 'Control yourself - you are as uncouth as the goblins.'

Notably Minthara responds the same even if Durge doesn't flat out say it, so I'd assume they're having the same response to that 'hunger' regardless.

In the same area you find that text, if you become the 'Chosen' of the Redcap masquerading as Bhaal to the kuo-toa, you get this:

*Mad guilt swills in your swooning, sick body. Today you became the tart of a false God, and your evil pride revolts.*

'Tart' being the polite way of saying 'whore', which on its own might just be a poetic way of calling them unfaithful to their religion, but with the extra context is beginning to form a potential pattern. I don't know whether Durge is referring to themselves, or if it's Bhaal calling them that. Or which is worse.

Similarly, the dream where Bhaal summons you to the duel with Orin to become his Chosen is labelled 'BloodWedding'. Again, wedding has more than one meaning, but it's most common usage is of the marital kind, and *gestures at the context of the fuckery above helplessly*

And if you go through with the whole thing and accept Bhaal, Sceleritas will tell you this:

'You and the Urge are wedded, now. One body, one mind.'

Oh, and if you have a love interest they're your 'false bride.' Let's not ask who the real one is.

Also this is a possible dialogue option if you sleep with the drow guy at Sharess' Caress and is meant to be humorous, but apparently Durge does take their daddy issues into the bedroom:

Player: 'I'm a disappointment to my father. Maybe we can work with that.'

I feel like I've forgotten some parts, but that's the gist of it.

#babbling #/durge #edgelord hours #villainous nonsense #long post

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kalcifers-blog · 3 days

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Do you have TMA JSEgos ideas for all the egos?

YES I DO

Chase-

Affiliation with The Eye, in terms that he'd make a good Eye Avatar as well as the fact that he'd be a victim of it as well, everything that was shown in AF:CB was so unbelievably Eye Coded its unreal. I do think there would be some connection that could be made with The Lonely (for obvious reasons) The Buried (the idea of him being confined to a small room for days on end, and how suffocating it must feel to be in his position) and also The Desolation- with his greatest pain at the moment is him still actively grieving the loss of his family and how his life has been destroyed because of it.

JJ-

This mother fucker is so Web coded it's unreal. We have no idea what role JJ plays, whether he's a puppet or puppet master or both, and part of me thinks that JJ likes to keep it that way. I can see JJ being manipulative in the same way Martin is? It's all through surface level kindness, people pleasing and hiding his true feelings on a person, whether or not this is intentional is something I think should be completely left ambiguous.

Marvin -

Similar to Chase, I think Marvin has the potential for being extremely Eye Coded, but he goes about it in a very different way. Arguably he's more Eye Coded than Chase is in some ways- But I do also think that it could be a thing that he's equal parts Desolation and Eye, maybe with elements of The Hunt. He will hunt down the answers he craves that he's almost hungry for- and it will destroy him in the process, but he can't turn away from it.

Jackie -

This may be a teeny bit controversial since I've seen a few people say Jackie would be The Hunt or The Desolation- (which I don't entirely disagree with) but I think Jackie would be The Lonely and The Vast by far. The work of a hero is inherently an isolating one, there's no one Jackie can really go too for advice or who would understand even without the whole "needing to keep a secret identity" thing- and that's not even including that it doesn't really seem Jackie has too many people he can rely on ? Jackie's story also features space and the universe a lot and it's clear that he's very interested in it, he doesn't fear heights or falling, he embraces it even. Honestly, if he weren't poor he'd be prime for being a Fairchild.

Henrik -

I have so many different takes on what Henrik could be it's kinda insane but fuck it we ball. So first thing that comes to mind is The Spiral, due to the whole Mad Scientist trope Henrik seems to be based on and the whole Wonderland episode (iykyk) is very Henrik coded imo. However, there are also elements of The Corruption here? Where Henrik's manifestation of Anti could be a growing sickness - but this seems more like Henrik would be a victim of it than being an Avatar. Also I hear you out when it comes to Henrik being Not!Themed and I love the idea so fucking much like I really do and I can fully see that being a thing.

So my general idea is that Henrik had elements of The Spiral, maybe was affected by it in some way and maybe had a run in or two with The Corruption, before ultimately dying and being replaced by The Not!Them, leaving us as the viewers being the only ones noticing the change but not being able to do anything about it.

Anti -

I have a love-hate relationship when talking about Anti in terms of TMA avatar for him. But my general idea is that he is all of them. He's the manifestation of fear and can shift and change himself to whatever he's targeting to affect them in the worst way possible. I guess naturally he'll have more connection with the Eye to be able to do that but yeah.

I do have more thoughts which I might put in a reblog but I can't lie it's 4.33 AM and I am not thinking cohesively so I hope this works for the time being

#jacksepticeye #jse egos #jse #jacksepticeye egos #the magnus archives #tma #tma x jse #chase brody #jackieboy man #marvin the magnificent #jameson jackson #henrik schneeplestein #antisepticeye #kalcifers blog

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hamliet · 4 years

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Who are your top 10 female villains? And your top ten male villains? Thank you!

Oooooh. Well, in this list I am including antagonists (people I see as conflicted/not committed to like, the bad side, if there even is a bad side, but basically oppose the protagonist at some point). Also, they are in no particular order:

Female Villains:

Cersei Lannister (A Song of Ice and Fire)

She's sympathetic enough so that we understand how she came to be the way she is, yet terrifying and depraved enough that we fear for the characters around her. I don't think that's an easy balance to strike for a character: if you make them likable it's hard to keep audiences from rooting for them, but the balance is struck perfectly with Cersei.

Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

As @aspoonofsugar wrote recently on Azula, I think she is a fantastic female villain. I think she is sympathetic despite her actions, and I wish the story had explored her redemption, which was clearly hinted.

Claudia (The Dragon Prince)

The first three seasons have kind of been Claudia's fall. While as a whole I don't think TDP is very well-written, I do think that Claudia, Viren, and Soren's family dynamic is a polished gem of writing that literally carries the story. I fully expect to see redemption for Claudia down the line, but not until she spirals further and further. At the end of season 3, Claudia resorts to killing someone to save her father's life when she has nothing and no one else left, and she makes this choice after her brother Soren (now redeemed himself) chooses to kill their father in front of Claudia, devastating her. Their choices are clear parallels and both are somewhat negative, somewhat sympathetic. Soren can't kill his past: he has to live with it, and Claudia can't cling to the past: she has to let it go.

Delores Umbridge (Harry Potter)

She is awful and I hate her, but you're also supposed to hate her. Her comeuppance is hilarious ad perfect, and just--I think she's a fantastic villain because she reminds every single one of us of an albeit exaggerated version of a teacher we all know.

Karren von Rosewald (Tokyo Ghoul:re)

Karren is TG:re's best written character in my opinion. Her tragic arc takes place throughout the first three arcs, which imo is also the highest point in the series. Karren just wanted to be loved, and if she had to die, at least she got to die as herself.

Nora (Noragami)

Nora! The reason I read Noragami is pretty much for Nora and her redemption arc. The fandom hates her for... reasons, but she's always been primed for redemption. Her name is in the title (which yes also refers to Yato, etc.) She's important. I wrote a few metas on Nora, notably here.

Enoshima Junko (Danganronpa)

Despair. It's fun to find a character who is, well, just plain fun, but who is also bored, despairing, cruel, and terrifying. She's unique and a brillaint character.

Toga Himiko (Boku no Hero Academia)

I'm not the first one to say that Toga is BNHA's best written female character, but I do agree that she is. She, like Junko, is fun and interesting, and she has an arc that is compelling. Her actions directly move the plot; she’s bloodthirsty and yet uniquely empathetic and compassionate.

Yoshimura Eto (Tokyo Ghoul)

Eto's backstory and her motivations were fascinating. She was one of the most complex characters in the entire story, and despite the fact that you understood why her father gave her up, you also understood her pain and justified anger at his doing so. She perfectly illustrated the divide between human and ghoul.

Male Villains:

Shigaraki Tomura (Boku no Hero Academia)

BNHA's best-written male character, imo. His backstory and the current chapters that focus on him are extremely well-done, thematic and full of character development, and detailed artistically. He gets so much focus that I can tell he's important to Horikoshi, and I'm excited to see where he goes.

Dabi (Boku no Hero Academia)

I'll admit there's a lot missing here. Namely, we don't know his identity for certain, but it seems basically certain that he's Todoroki Touya; however, we still don't have his backstory. Still, his fury at the presumed father who destroyed his family and yet has the audacity to be a "symbol of hope" is fascinating to me, and I'm excited to see how he develops as well. (Both Shigaraki and Dabi seem primed for some kind of redemption).

Adult Trio: Illumi Zoldyck, Hisoka Morow, Chrollo Lucilfer (Hunter x Hunter)

Am I counting these three as one so that I can get extra characters? Of course I am. In all honesty I really think all three of these antagonists are really well done, sympathetic and/or likable. They're the shadows of the three MCs they foil: for Illumi, Killua, for Hisoka, Gon, and for Chrollo, Kurapika. They represent the traits the three protagonists (sorry Leorio) don't want to acknowledge in themselves, and therefore their encounters with their shadows are particularly thematic and powerful. Also, one doesn't usually kill their shadow, but instead integrates with it, so I highly doubt the three of them will be killed by their respective protagonist.

Meruem (Hunter x Hunter)

Yes, again, HxH. It has great antagonists. But Meruem's development is literally one of the most powerful I've ever read about. I don't know anyone who starts his story not loathing him, hoping he dies, and then by the end of it, ebfore you've even realized it's happening, you're crying for him and Komugi. His arc explores human nature at its finest, most horrific, and ultimately most beautiful.

Furuta Nimura (Tokyo Ghoul:re)

Furuta's a fantastic villain whom I wish got a better ending (not even redeemed really, but just... something more). He was so damaged by the system of an unfair world that he made it his life goal to become the villain and burn the system down, destroy it no matter what it took--and also hoped to destroy himself in the process, as he was born knowing he would die young and longed for it. I wish he had been forced to live.

Mori Ougai (Bungo Stray Dogs)

Mori's utilitarianism is chilling. He's not exactly unlikable, despite being absolutely morally repugnant, and the Beast AU from Asagiri himself shows us that Mori is certainly capable of a positive life and positive change; however, within the canonical story, I don't see that for him. He's been set up IMO as the final boss of the series, and his habit of targeting the most vulnerable (especially children) to control people is almost certainly going to bite Dazai in the ass eventually.

Eren Jaeger (Shingeki no Kyojin)

I can't believe I'm writing this. I don't know what to call Eren: he's the protagonist, and he's sunk to becoming the final boss. While it's possible he, like Furuta and like Lelouch of Code Geass, is playing the villain, I really hope not, as I think the themes are much more powerful if Eren sincerely believes what he proclaims to believe. He's a kid who has always wanted to fight for freedom and for the people around him, and now we're seeing the dark side of those traits, wherein he's destroying the world via genocide to save the people close to him. He's driven by fear and by anger at the cruelty and unfairness of the world, and he's forgotten the beauty of it. I hope Mikasa can remind him before the end.

Fyodor Dostoyevsky (Bungo Stray Dogs)

MY BOY. Look if a character is named after my very favorite real-life author, I must stan. But actually I do think Fyodor is well written and a master manipulator. He's modeled after my favorite character in all of fiction, Dostoyesvky's Demons' Alexei Kirillov. He really seems to want human connection, to live, and has forgotten that empathy is an important and necessary part of both of those. I hope--and think it is likely given BSD's prolific redemption arcs--that he will remember eventually.

Lee Yut-Lung (Banana Fish)

Again,, he's less a villain than an antagonist. Like Ash, the main character, he is a teenage boy betrayed by the people who were supposed to protect him and abused his whole entire life. He's driven by a desperate need to be loved and jealousy that Ash is loved while he is not. His ending, when Sing finally tells him he will in fact be staying by Yut-Lung's side and will help Yut-Lung redeem himself, "because you're in pain... your soul's bleeding, even now" is literally the perfect ending for him.

Jin Guangyao (Mo Dao Zu Shi)

I've written a lot on Jin Guangyao, but he's a walking tragedy. He ties with Wei Wuxian, the protagonist, as my favorite, and the reason is because they are two sides of the same coin--in fact, they're the same side of the same coin. They're not very different, and the fact that he finally at least got empathy in the end and was able to push the person he loved most to safety because of that--well. Brb time to cry.

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littlemisssquiggles · 4 years

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Little Red Headcanons: Ruby the Saviour of Humanity

crystalandbrass asked

“Hey long time no speak so I have two theories on RWBY I want to run by you the first is the lamp, I feel it functions like the old 'Be careful how you word your wish' essentially you have to be spercific with what you ask as Ozpin only asked 'How do I kill Salem?' Djinn obviously said there was no way because Salem is immortal, however if Ozpin asked 'How do I defeat Salem?' Djinn might have given up how to undo Salem's immorttality. What do you think? I will give the 2nd one later”

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Squiggles Answers:

@crystalandbrass

Hey Crystal, what’s up? Apologies for the late response but I hope you’ve been doing well in these trying times, fam. To answer your question, that’s an interesting way to look at it. I agree with your point about Jinn answering questions according to their wording but I’d like to add an additional hunch that I think the results are also dependent on the person asking the questions.

During his lifetime with Norman, Ozma asked Jinn how “he” could destroy Salem. Only for Jinn to answer that “he” couldn’t. For me, I took that as Jinn indicating that Ozma wasn’t the one destined to stop Salem once and for all. It doesn’t necessarily mean that destroying Salem isn’t possible. Ozma (and by extension, the Wizards of Light following in his lineage) just wasn’t the one meant to do so. He had his own part to play in this ongoing fight for the fate of humanity.

I’d like to stand by the concept that there is someone in Remnant who destined to stop Salem.

I also believe that the key to stopping Salem for good isn’t through destroying her either. Yes she needs to be stopped, but I don’t think her fate is to die by the hands of her chosen adversary but rather the way the Gods intended for her to die.

It’s for this reason I like the theory that was eluded by Nora in V7CH6 during her conversation with Ruby.

“…We’ve spent so much time worrying about how Ironwood would react to the truth about her; but has any of us considered how we’re even going to beat her if we managed to work past that?”

“Jinn said she can’t be beaten.”

“She told Oz that he couldn’t destroy her.”

“…But…maybe someone else could?”

“…I don’t know.”

A part of me thinks that if someone were to ask Jinn the question of “Who can stop Salem?” then I believe her answer might be a bit more hopeful as she reveals the identity of humanity’s true saviour against the plight of Salem. In the Lost Fable, Jinn did say that in time Salem would’ve ultimately met her adversary. During the events of that episode, us as viewers were led to believe that that person would be Ozma.

However now that I think about it---despite creating Salem and resurrecting the soul of her former beloved, the Brother Gods NEVER really tasked Ozma with stopping Salem. All the God of Light told Ozma to focus on was figuring out a way to unite humanity as a means of recreating the world that they once had---that he once knew. A world where humanity was made whole again with the return of the Gods and their magic to live among the People of Remnant again. Now that I think about it, the God of Light warned Ozma to not pursue Salem as he more desired for him to focus on avoiding the inevitable Judgement Day and the end of the world should he fail in bringing the people together.

From the start, the purpose of Ozma and the Wizards of Light was always to see to humanity’s preservation by uniting them for it is only in harmony shall they be saved and spared the wrath of the Gods should they be summoned back to Second Remnant.

From what I gathered from the Lost Fable, First Remnant was a time when mankind more or less lived in commune with not just each other but also the Brothers. However that changed after Salem rallied all the leaders of the First People of Remnant and turned them against the Gods thus leading to their mass genocide by the God of Darkness.

You can say that from the beginning, Salem has been a figure of conflict--- dividing humanity--- turning them against one another as a means of only fulfilling her own selfish desires.

From the get-go, Salem has been a source of manipulation and division. This was not only evidenced by her turning the People of Remnant against the Gods but her first attempt was done even before that when she dared turn the Brothers against one another after manipulating Darkness into resurrecting Ozma against his brother’s wishes and prior knowledge.

Salem was only cursed because she refused to see the value in human life beyond herself and sadly to say, even after living on Remnant for over thousands of years; she still only views mankind as nothing less to her than mere pawns to achieve her goals. She even came to see her own beloved Ozma as the very same thing---an obstacle against her retaining her sense of freedom.

“…We finally have freedom!”

I know other RWBY fans have pegged Salem to be nothing more than an irredeemable villain and character; however I think the opposite. Ultimately, I think Salem’s fate is to die after finally learning the lesson the God of Light tried to get her to see. Believe it or not, I’m actually an advocate for Salem getting redeemed at some point for the future of RWBY.

While Salem has been shown to be selfish and manipulative, she’s also expressed a softer, more compassionate side to her as well; as evidenced by her love and determination for Ozma and even their children during Ozma’s second lifetime as Diggs.

I’d even go as far as to say that there is a slight, almost parental approach to Salem’s mentor and apprentice relationship with Cinder Fall; if that makes sense. Again, while I understand that Salem is a villain, there are qualities about her that has convinced me that she can be redeemed and ultimately will be saved since that’s how I think her story will end based on elements from the Lost Fable.

I think Salem is the way she is, not so much due to her corruption from her baptism in the Grimm Pools of Darkness but more so as a result of her past and upbringing; being locked away in isolation for so long---having her own freedom stripped away away from her at an adolescent age by the acts of her cruel father.

Going back to your question on the lamp---I think what needs to happen next is either for someone to ask Jinn for the identity of the person destined to bring forth Salem’s end. Or for that person to ask Jinn that question herself.

Since V6, I can’t help but feel like the show is slowly starting to pave the reveal that Ruby Rose will be the one to stop Salem. NOT destroy her or kill her. But more or less guide her back to the light after the former lonely princess had submerged herself in darkness for so long; thus transforming herself into the wicked witch we knew her to be.

I feel like Ruby has the potential of being placed in a similar tricky scenario that Aang from Avatar: The Last Airbender faced during his final confrontation with Fire Lord Ozai.

Much like Aang, this squiggle meister believes that Ruby will be the one to stop Salem but she’ll be torn over the thought of actually killing her if she were to discover to possess that kind of power.

I’m not saying I’m expecting Ruby to talk Salem out of being evil.

I’m more in favour of my Little Red Ruby headcanon of Ruby’s silver eyes being a remnant of the God of Light’s Fountain of Light and Creation that was introduced during the events of the Lost Fable. We’ve already met Ozma---the First Wizard of Light tasked by the God of Light and blessed with his power to unite the people of Remnant to avoid its destruction should Judgement Day come.

Now what I need to know is the origins of the Silver Eyes. I want to know who the First Silver Eyed Warrior to walk Remnant was since I believe that their beginning is connected to the Fountain of Life and Creation. Much like the Grimm Pools, the Fountain of Life and Creation once belonged to a God and thus harbours some semblance of his power.

This is how I think Salem is able to command the Creatures of Grimm. It was the God of Darkness who first made the Grimm, correct? Therefore since his pool was connected to him, by baptising herself in said pool that once belonged to a God, Salem gained powers akin to the God of Darkness---at least in respect to the ability to command the Grimm and even create her own Grimm monstrosities.

While the God of Darkness’ Grimm Pools survived the test of time, the Fountain of Life and Creation seemed to have been destroyed during the meteor shower sparked by the God of Darkness destroying part of the moon. Since World of Remnant described man being born from dust; my assumption is that the Silver Eyed Warriors are the remnants of the Fountain.

Therefore, the Silver Eyed Warriors are the living embodiment of the Fountain of Life and Creation. This, by my understanding, is how the Silver Eyed Warriors are connected to the God of Light. Just like the Wizards of Light in Ozma’s lineage, the Silver Eyes possess a portion of Light’s power running through their veins.

In the Lost Fable, it was shown that the God of Light cursed Salem with immortality by dropping her into his Fountain. If the Silver Eyes were ‘born’ from the Fountain then a Silver Eyed Warrior may be the only being that can actually harm Salem or even stop her.

Hence Ruby’s importance as she is currently the last living Silver Eye, according to the main series narrative. I remember reading somewhere about a theory someone had shared about the markings on Salem’s body---the weird blood-coloured scars that resemble veins---someone made theory that those markings may have come from Silver Eyed Warriors that Salem killed in the past.

I actually quite like this theory and I’d like to add my own spin on it.

In V4, Arthur Watts alluded to Salem and her minions dealing with Silver Eyes in the past and this point was confirmed in later iterations such as V6CH7 with Tock and her pawns targeting a young Maria Calavera in her prime and even the Warrior from the Warrior in the Woods tale in the upcoming Fairy Tales From Remnant.

So it’s my understanding that Salem and her pawns have been ruthlessly hunting and killing the Silver Eyes for many generations due to their unique ability to stop the Grimm.

But here’s what I think. What if…Salem’s scars were as a result on an encounter with ONE Silver Eyed Warrior and not as a result of her dealing with many over the years?

Despite hunting their kind for so long, what if…there has only been one Silver Eyed Warrior who has come close to even touching Salem and those scars are the lasting impression that that particular Silver Eye left on Salem as a relic of what that power can actually do to her.

What if… Salem got her scars from Summer Rose?

Even though Salem succeeded in killing Summer (as alluded to in V7CH10), what if…another Summer Rose secret is the revelation of the way to stop Salem---a feat that Summer left in the hands of her daughter.

I know this is only a hunch but I really do like the thought of Summer Rose being the one who inflicted those types of wounds on Salem, revealing the witch’s own fallibility in a sense. It’s not a bad concept but for now it’s just another one for the table of possibilities.

Another Salem-inspired RWBY headcanon of mine is that the Silver Eye power will actually purify Salem of the effects of the Grimm Pools, thus severing her connection to the Grimm. What I find unique about Salem is that she is a being who has been touched by both light and darkness. Light made her immortal while Darkness gave her reign over the Creatures of Grimm.

If my hunch about the silver eyes being a remnant of the Fountain of Life and Creation is correct then Salem being hit with the power of a Silver Eyed Warrior on full blast; as displayed by Ruby Rose during the Fall of Beacon, might be what finally ‘kills’ the Wicked Witch of the West.

For me, I really like the concept of Ruby’s power cleansing Salem of the effects of the Grimm pools that corrupted her for so many years; reverting the immortal woman back to her original ‘lonely princess’ form from the Lost Fable.

Since the Grimm Pools hypothetically granted Salem the power to control the Grimm, then hypothetically the Silver Eyes---a power born from the Fountain of Light and Creation that negates darkness--- could potentially Salem’s connection to the pools thus severing her connection to the Grimm. Therefore Salem will no longer be able to command the Grimm. I think that a huge part of Salem being a threat to humanity stemmed from her sovereignty over the Grimm. She was even described as being their leader by Raven Branwen during V5.

“…I know the Grimm have a leader…”

That being said, if Salem’s power over the Grimm is taken away---if Salem is changed back to her former self then she’ll no longer be that big of a threat anymore because the thing that gave her reign will be gone for good. Salem the Lonely Princess may return but the Salem the Wicked Witch would be gone for good. Therefore---DING! DONG! The Wicked Witch whose ancient presence haunted Remnant for years will finally be dead!

As for the fate of the original Salem, I’m still sticking to my guns on her receiving a redemption arc since according to the Lost Fable, Salem learning the error of her ways is the only way for her to lift her curse; allowing her to finally die peacefully.

The God of Light said just that. In the Lost Fable, the Brother Gods told Salem that the only way for her to reverse her curse is to learn how to value life.

“…When you first came to me, I did pity you. But it is clear now that your selfishness and arrogance have led you astray.”

“What did you do to me?”

“I have made you immortal.”

“Immortal?”

“You cannot die. You cannot be with your beloved.”

“So long as this world turns, you shall walk its face.”

“You must learn the importance of life and death. Only then may you rest.”

That is a lesson that Salem still has to learn and it honestly won’t surprise me if her story wouldn’t officially conclude until she realises the very message the Brother Gods tried to impart on her. That’s my deduction with that.

So to conclude and reiterate my answer to your question---I’d like to think that the final question of the Lamp of Knowledge will definitely be asked by Ruby. Her brief moment with Jinn from the V6 finale where Jinn warned her about summoning her without a question makes me believe that we will get a call-back to this at some point later in the story (hopefully).

Y’know what’s funny? I think in some odd way, Ruby already knows or has somehow figured out the answer to stop Salem herself. A part of me thinks that the one question Ruby both secretly wants and is dreading to have asked of Jinn is “Who can stop Salem?” because in a weird way, I think she already knows in her heart the answer and is fearing its reveal in a sense. Maybe.

In the RWBY Theme ‘Red Like Roses Part II’, there are two lines of the lyrics sung from both Summer and Ruby’s perspectives that makes me think this:

For Summer it was “…I didn’t have a choice. I did what I had to do. I made a sacrifice, but forced a bigger sacrifice on you…”

And for Ruby’s side it was “…I know you didn't plan this. You tried to do what's right. But in the middle of this madness, I'm the one you left to win this fight…”

“…I made a sacrifice, but forced a bigger sacrifice on you…” “…I'm the one you left to win this fight…”

Knowing what I know now in regards to RWBY’s ongoing story, these lines really resonate with me. I know we were told not to take the RWBY themes seriously in respect to the story. However Red Like Roses Part II technically is the first and only RWBY theme where we actually got a sense of Summer Rose as a character.

It’s the closest thing I have right now to knowing anything about her personality outside of the little things that other characters have sparingly said about her over the seasons and in the expanded universe novelizations.

Going off of this alone, I think what I can deduce is that Summer Rose made the choice to go after Salem herself in an attempt to stop her once and for all on her own. However Summer failed in killing Salem but not without leaving a last imprint that might just spark the key to ending the witch’s reign.

And soon, Ruby Rose will basically have to pick up where her mother left off. This is why I like the idea of Summer causing Salem’s scars. I think Summer set out to stop Salem by herself and unlike other Silver Eyed Warriors before her, Summer is the ONLY ONE who came close to actually stopping Salem. Not that she lived long enough to reveal this truth---a truth that will be revealed in time by Jinn (possibly).

And now Ruby, as Summer’s daughter and heir is left to take over where her mother left off and finish the job in a sense. At least that’s my hunch.

Not quite sure if this long response post actually answered your questions Crystal but, like always I hope it does and feel free to please let me know if it does, fam.

~LittleMissSquiggles (2020)

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Throwing it back to Season 4 for this one (sorry hiatus and rewatching is making me re-contemplate and analyze old stuff): What is the regret of Fitz’s that AIDA fixed wasn’t that his father left but that he wasn’t enough for his father to stay? Then there’s a clear sense of shifting his personality “to be enough for his father” which would lead to the Doctor. Just a hiatus rewatch inspired thought I wanted to share!

Hi Anon,

Okay, this will likely open some sort of can of worms but this is my take on the whole AIDA/Fitz/Regret thing. This is my take and my option from my own watches, interviews, and reading the Season 4 Declassified. I know some out there think I’m full of crap on this one but this is my Hil and after all this time I have established a fort and am not going anywhere.

I do not question that AIDA fixed regrets for the rest of the team. All were very clear and had been set up at some point going into the Framework.

Mack: The daughter his lost and the chance to be a father/normal life.

May: Saving the girl in Bahrain

But that was in season 2 so this is the first example of what I’ll get into later about loopholes. Because based on the actions of May’s LMD the regret that should have been fixed to make her happy was exploring that romantic relationship with Couslon.

Radcliffe had AIDA fix Bahrain to get May to stop fighting to get out, not to make her happy.

So technically AIDA didn’t choose what to fix for May….Radcliffe had already done that before the others were dropped in.

Coulson: Not going into Shield and becoming a teacher.

Mace: Being the hero and leader he always wanted to be.

Then we get to Fitz. AIDA was a MASTER of manipulation, especially after she read the Darkhold and began to strive to be something more. She found loophole after loophole in her parameters and programming.

Just one example of this is when she killed Radcliffe. Her job was once to protect him, but she got him to admit he himself could be a threat to the Framework, protecting it being her “Prime Directive” and allowed her to kill him in the real world.

I will die on the hill that Fitz was her target all along. First, she needed him to complete Looking Glass The others that got tossed in were merely collateral damage/because Radcliffe said to get them. She kept out of the way for the most part. Had Jemma or Daisy been abducted as well their avatars wouldn’t have interfered at all. AIDA would have been unchallenged (Mace thought he was fighting her but she was in control). Second, she took him because she wanted what he had with Jemma, she wanted to love and didn’t understand how that worked.

So while the rest of the team had regrets fixed, Fitz’s life was manipulated to an extreme degree, starting with his Father’s presence, then later when AIDA took Jemma’s place at the Academy. She removed all of the loving and positive influences in his life and set up that world that would lead her right to where she needed him to be to build Looking Glass. And used his loyalty and protectiveness for those he loves to get what she wanted. He did it to protect her.

I’m also a bit curious because the Darkhold supposedly told the reader how to get what they wanted. So I am downright curious if the dang thing told AIDA she needed FItz or if she just decided it was him between his talents are her wanting love.

The “I thought his presence was what you would have wished for” was a load of crap, it was the ‘loophole’ she used to start her control over him, and her trying to continue to manipulate him as she did in the Framework once they were out. She had been in his head, seen the bad memories, seen all the betrayals, and seen how awful his father was. The writers also took the time in 12 to show Fitz getting the chance get the “message” from his father from Robocliffe and he walked away. Later they had the conversation between Mack and Jemma and Jemma explained Fitz had chosen not to find him. Fitz had made a deliberate choice to not find his father with the tools he has. That doesn’t sound like a regret to me…that was an ongoing choice that Fitz had made not to bring that man into his life. She gave him Alistair because his presence in Fitz’s life helped her manipulate him and get what she wanted.

The Season 4 Declassified also revealed that Alistair’s casting was last minute. So I also maintain that Radcliffe was originally going to be the corrupting influence on Fitz in the Framework. I had predicted before the Framework Arc we’d see a more morally grey Fitz influenced possibly by “you're like a son to me” Radcliffe…well, they went well beyond morally grey on me (but hey I still pretty much nailed Radcliffe’s arc…yay?) But the writers decided they wanted Radcliffe’s redemption and they wanted the shock value and immense pain of a very evil Fitz.

And at some point, it just has to be said. The writers did what they did because its how they wanted the story to go.

TLDR. AIDA used loopholes in her programming over and over to get what she wanted. The ‘regret’ she used for Fitz was merely one of many things she set into motion to get what she wanted.

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Warning: contains spoilers for Infinite Frontier #6!

In Infinite Frontier, DC has revealed the true nature of its supposed Black Lantern, leading to a major sacrifice to save the multiverse from Darkseid. Thus far in the new series, Darkseid and his agent Psycho-Pirate are seeking to reach what lies beyond the confines of the multiverse in order to control the intermingling of worlds, granting the ruler of Apokolips absolute control. However, while Barry Allen’s Flash has been a key player that they’ve manipulated to their own ends, it turns out that Roy Harper is also vital, as his dark powers are more than they seem.

While Roy Harper had been dead since the tragic Heroes in Crisis event, he came back after Dark Nights: Death Metal, resurrected by Batman in that event’s final battle. However, the former Green Arrow sidekick was resurrected wearing a Black Lantern ring in this new series, granting him new powers that also made him a prime target for Darkseid’s plans. But once Roy Harper and several other heroes such as the JSA and Justice Incarnate make their way to Earth-Omega where Darkseid resides, it’s revealed that Roy’s ring isn’t actually a Black Lantern ring at all.

Related: Darkseid’s New Weapon is More Powerful Than the Anti-Life Equation

According to Psycho-Pirate, Roy Harper was chosen by a darker and much older force that had simply been disguised as a Black Lantern ring. Apparently, this force sought Roy out due to his rocky and tumultuous history with darkness, pain, and suffering, making him “the perfect bull’s eye.” However, while this means Roy has the power to save all the heroes that have been trapped in energy chains due to Earth-Omega closing off the worlds of the multiverse from each other, the act will turn Roy into a mindless zombie. Roy still chooses to become the avatar of darkness in order to free the other heroes, and his daughter Lian as well, confident that he has plenty of suffering to fuel the ring’s power.

While fans thought they understood the Black Lantern ring from prior appearances, it turns out Roy’s weapon is actually something far darker and older, awakened by the Batman Who Laughs’ war on reality itself. With Darkseid claiming Roy as what he calls, “my Omega Lantern,” at the end of the issue, it seems that despite freeing his fellow heroes, Roy may be connected to the supreme force the Lord of Apokolips has been seeking throughout Infinite Frontier. Roy Harper has had to endure a lot throughout his life, so hopefully this dark sacrifice will turn out to be the break the forces of good needed, not just one more step in Darkseid’s plan.

With one more issue left in this miniseries, it’s likely fans are about to find out more about the entity behind Roy’s transformation, but if Darkseid seeks to command it, DC fans can be assured it’s a being of staggering power, and one with deep roots in comic history. It’s chilling to see Darkseid turn the actions of selfless heroes like Flash and the Black Lantern to his own ends, but even more disturbing to learn that Roy’s new powers come from an ancient, recently awakened being attracted by his suffering – hopefully, Infinite Frontier‘s conclusion makes his sacrifice worthwhile.

More: Flash: Barry Allen’s Flashpoint Secretly Broke the Entire DC Multiverse

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narcissistpsychopath-abuse · 7 years

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Narcissist's Projection, Projective Identification, and the Victim's Introjective Identification

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/NARCISSISTIC-PERSONALITY-DISORDER/EGzyYFoCih0

(from Sam Vaknin's "Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited")

The narcissist’s False Self is grandiose. The narcissist seeks to maintain his inflated fantasy of himself. He denies, slices and splits off, and “evacuates” or projects onto others emotions, cognitions (thoughts), traits, impulses, behaviors and qualities that contradict and contravene it. In the idealization and devaluation phases, the narcissist also attributes to his sources of primary or secondary narcissistic supply ideal/positive or negative traits and behaviors, some of which he may actually possess.

Additionally, the narcissist feels omnipresent, all-pervasive, the prime mover and shaker, the cause of all things. He is also convinced that everyone is exactly like him when it comes to negative emotions and motivation. Hence his constant and facile projection of his own traits, fears, behaviour patterns, beliefs, and plans onto others. The narcissist is firmly convinced that he is the generator and regulator of other people's emotions; that they depend on him for their well-being; that without him their lives will crumble into grey mediocrity. He regards himself as the most important component in the life of his nearest and dearest.

To avoid painful contradictions with reality or cognitive dissonances and also to ameliorate his raging abandonment or separation anxiety, the narcissist aims to micromanage and control his human environment by subsuming it or by merging and fusing with it (exactly as codependents do). His nearest and dearest are reduced to mere representations, avatars, extensions of himself, or internal objects.

This is where projective identification comes into play. Like the simpler projection defense mechanism, it consists of the attribution of the narcissist’s own psychological makeup, urges, desires, and processes to others. But it also involves forcing the target of the projection to conform to its contents: to actually become someone else and behave in ways prescribed by the narcissist (to undergo introjective identification).

In the idealization phase, the narcissist cajoles, coerces, extorts, and incentivizes his chosen source of supply to transform herself into the kind of person that the narcissist projects: intelligent, for example, or “strong”. Similarly, in the devaluation stage, the “target” is manipulated to assume, adopt, and exhibit the narcissist’s shortcomings and unmanageable, chaotic, and dysregulated emotions and behaviors, such as rage, envy, contempt, abusive conduct, and shame.

The narcissist rejects these and refuses to own them because they challenge his self-perception, his False Self, and his ability to regulate his sense of self-worth. So, instead, he “farms them out” and “outsources” them to others around him, while also pressuring them to playact these roles in the screenplay of his life and to affirm what he knows about the world and about himself, i.e., his comfort zone, or Pathological Narcissistic Space. They become convenient props, containers of unwanted bits of the narcissist’s persona and psyche, and constant reminders of his superiority and magnanimity.

Still, it is important to realize that the material that is cast off in the process of projective identification remains a part of the narcissist because the people it is projected onto are integral parts of him: his extensions and appendages, mere inner spectres. With the narcissist, projection and projective identification don’t work because, in his mental world, there are no “others”, no “outside”, and no “reality”, but a mere interplay between internal psychological constructs and structures, having little to do with the world. The narcissist’s solipsistic worldview prevents him from successfully getting rid of what bothers him the most: his imperfections.

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drv3: Thoughts about character motivations in chapter 4

Sorry for the vague title but I don’t want to spoil anyone by accident. Massive post and massive spoilers below.

I’ve read a few theories and explanations regarding what Kokichi did in Chapter 4 and why he did it, but I haven’t seen anyone interpret his plan the way I currently do. So, I figured I’d write about it.

I think one of the biggest takeaways of this trial, for me, was how Gonta’s gullibility turned out to be a much more serious flaw than it seemed at first. It made him downright dangerous to himself and to others. Kokichi deliberately manipulated him, but choosing to murder is no small thing: Gonta killed because he was willing and capable of it, pure and simple. Someone that can be lead astray by the first ill-intentioned person to give them an evil suggestion is not a harmless cinnamon roll, especially not in a killing game that everyone wants to escape. Realizing this made me look at Kokichi’s actions in this chapter a bit differently: what if he had come to this same conclusion?

After mulling it over for a good while, I now believe Kokichi’s plan had a lot more to it than simply using Gonta as a meat shield by singling him out and goading him into murdering Miu. Instead, I believe it was meant as a test to find out whether Gonta was capable of murder. He would pass by choosing not to kill Miu, and fail if he chose to do so. Either outcome would have thwarted Miu’s plan to kill Kokichi, which was his primary concern at that moment, and would also remove Gonta from the “potential threat” list (by proving he wasn’t one to begin with, or by getting him executed).

First of all, why didn’t Kokichi simply tell his classmates that Miu was planning to murder him? It would have been much easier than coming up with a convoluted plan and nobody would have to die, right? Well, no. As many people have pointed out, Kokichi’s word would not have won out against Miu’s. Nobody would have any reason to believe him without concrete evidence, of which he had none since Kokichi couldn’t know what Miu’s exact plan was (other than the fact it involved the VR world). At that point, all he had was his own certainty that Miu was going to commit murder, sooner or later, if she wasn’t stopped or outed. This situation therefore couldn’t play out the way it did when Kokichi revealed Maki’s secret talent. He was only able to do that because both of them knew he had irrefutable evidence to back up his claim that she was the Ultimate Assassin: her motive video.

Kokichi’s reasoning for doing that is important: even though Maki hadn’t actually been planning to murder, Kokichi knew she was capable of it. By blowing Maki’s cover, she was neutralized as a potential threat (for a long time, anyway). She’d immediately be a prime suspect if she tried anything while most of the other students feared her. I believe the same outcome was what Kokichi hoped to accomplish with Miu, but since Kokichi couldn’t provide irrefutable evidence himself, he needed a third party’s cooperation. Namely, Gonta’s.

Knowing what we know about Kokichi and DICE’s rule against murder (mentioned in the Japanese version of the game but removed from the localized English version), I do not believe Kokichi’s choice to use Gonta rather than any other classmate can be explained simply as Kokichi “knowing” Gonta could be manipulated to kill. I doubt he WANTED Miu and Gonta’s death to be the outcome of his plan, even if he was willing to risk it.

So why did Kokichi pick Gonta? Not only was Gonta probably the only person who’d be willing to go along with Kokichi’s scheme, Kokichi probably saw Gonta as a potential threat, albeit a slightly different kind than Miu or Maki. While those two could commit a calculated, efficient murder if given the opportunity (ie. if the students had their guard down), Gonta was a wildcard that anyone could use. He was gullible to an absurd degree: he would believe ANY claim, even if evidence to the contrary had literally just been given to him. This likely meant he’d be immune to the “outed murderer” effect—making his classmates become wary of him would not be enough to prevent him from killing, since anyone could still cajole him into doing so anyway. As such, the mastermind and his other classmates would have the power to convince Gonta to kill at any time... IF Gonta’s personal stance against murder was not strong enough.

Practically none of the other students would be able to stop him if he was susceptible to such influence, as was shown by the Insect Meet and Greet. Only a handful of his classmates were able to resist him, and by chapter four, two of them were dead (Ryoma and Kirumi), one of them was visibly weaker (Kaito), and one of them had murderous intent to begin with (Miu). Much like how Kirumi exploited Ryoma’s weakness, Kokichi was probably aware that it was only a matter of time until someone tried to take advantage of Gonta’s credulity—not just for murder, but mass murder. Since the rules stated the game would be over when only two survivors were left, all it’d take would be for someone to arrange for Gonta to kill everyone except themselves before a trial could begin.

And so, Kokichi wanted to ascertain whether Gonta would crack under pressure to kill or if he’d resist such manipulation. If Gonta could be convinced to murder all the other students by the flashback light and a little smooth talk from Kokichi, then anyone else could feasibly convince him to do the same; this was a huge risk considering the mastermind could pull out new, compelling motives at any moment.

While Kokichi made Gonta believe that they were going to mercy-kill all of their classmates (which is precisely the mass murder scenario I outlined above), I think Kokichi arranged the situation so the trial for Miu’s death would occur before Gonta killed anyone else. Instead of taking Miu’s hammer and working together to double-team each classmate one by one as the only avatars who had weapons at their disposal, Kokichi ordered Gonta to hide the evidence and flee the crime scene. I did not get the feeling that Kokichi was actually expecting Gonta to murder the remainder of their classmates during the investigation, either; Kokichi only lost his cool when he thought Gonta was lying about not knowing anything during the trial. Plus, it’s worth remembering the fact that Kokichi’s organisation is staunchly against murder. This, together with all his efforts to end the killing game rather than actually WIN it, makes me think it’s very unlikely that he actually wanted Gonta to eliminate everyone else. Therefore, I think it’s safe to assume Kokichi only planned for Gonta to target Miu if he were to commit murder.

However, there was another possible resolution that did not involve death. If Gonta had dealt with the situation in a non-lethal way, it would’ve proven that Gonta had enough mettle to not be swayed and kill someone. But how could Gonta have prevented Miu from murdering indefinitely without ending her life? Many people have already pointed out that simply disabling her long enough for her plan in the VR world to fail wouldn’t actually be enough. She had already decided to murder in order to escape the killing game and would probably attempt to do so again as soon as she had a chance. But would she really have been able to do so if, like with Maki, everyone knew her secret? Probably not.

That’s why I think Kokichi deliberately set the stage on the roof in such a way that Miu confessed her plot to kill him, with Gonta secretly witnessing the scene. At that moment, Gonta could have immobilized Miu non-lethally using the toilet paper, and then revealed Miu’s plot to his other classmates. His word along with Miu’s hammer would’ve been sufficient proof that she was plotting something. If that had actually happened, everyone would know to keep a close eye on her, to potentially prevent her from accessing her lab, and most importantly, to suspect her should another death occur. At the same time, Kokichi could be more or less certain that Gonta had enough resolve to not succumb to a motive or be used by another student as a weapon in order to win the killing game.

Unfortunately, Gonta fell for the trap and failed the test: he gave in to despair and chose to kill. A person as physically strong as Gonta was a danger to everyone if his morals weren’t strong enough to prevent him from murdering... and they weren’t. This is the truth Kokichi uncovered. Whether or not Gonta had a “good” or “noble” reason for killing, it didn’t matter; he had let himself be convinced to murder all of his classmates.

The key element of Kokichi’s plan was that whether Gonta passed or failed, the outcome would be similar. If Gonta didn’t kill, both Miu and Gonta could be prevented/trusted not to commit murder, at least for the time being. If Gonta killed Miu, he’d be executed at the class trial and the two of them would therefore be totally eliminated. Whichever path they went down was all up to Gonta.

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