#bee!lila

[zoe-oneesama]

It's a tough decision when you've got so many options!

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Bonus:

#sl art #pollen #tikki #marinette #bee!nino #bee!alya #bee!sabrina #vesperia #bee!zoe #bee!lila #bee!juleka #bee!mylene #bee!max #bee!alix #bee!nathaniel #bee!ivan #bee!luka #bee!kim #bee!kagami #bee!rose #bee!marc #bee miraculous #kwami swap #my art #ml art

[kari-go]

Apeina and Topina redo

I like these wayy better

#my art #miraculous ladybug #miraculous disaster au #kwami swap #lila rossi #bee miraculous #mouse miraculous #bee!lila #mouse!lila #apeina #topina

[cardiac-agreste]

Here are some thoughts on why I think Chloe's character arc makes perfect sense.

Chloe has a real bad hangup about power. She needs to feel it desperately.

she idolizes Ladybug, who is powerful

she wants a Miraculous to feel powerful

she orders her dad around to feel powerful

she mis-names her butler to feel powerful

she bosses Sabrina around to feel powerful

she is cruel to Marinette to feel powerful

she is dismissive of Chat Noir because he is subservient to Ladybug and therefore weak

When Adrien stands up to Chloe regarding her treatment of Marinette, she perceives this as him ordering her to reign in her power. To restrict her power.

In response, she re-asserts her power: she cuts him out of her life. Similarly, Ladybug denies her a Miraculous, so she turns on Ladybug, again lashing out at someone who has diminished her power. She then aligns herself with someone who promises it to her.

Then Zoe shows up, and Zoe gets attention and affection (and therfore power) from Andre, who isn't even her real father! She's spent more time with their mother, which is another form of power.

S3 through S5 is a systematic stripping away of the thing Chloe holds most dear: power. In response to this, she exerts power every opportunity she gets: she tries to take over the movie, she bosses Adrien around, she revels in her cruelty toward Marinette, she aligns herself with Lila (who Chloe recognizes has the power to fool everyone around them), she is cruel to her sister, and eventually she "leads" a fascist takeover of Paris (of course, not realizing that she's fourth banana in the takeover after Evil Gandalf, Slightly Less Evil Elon Musk, and Lila.

Her character arc makes perfect sense.

Uhh, umm, in this powerpoint presentation I will

#chloe bourgeois #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #mlb #mlb fandom #aborted redemption arc #alleged redemption arc #evil gandalf #slightly less evil elon musk #lila rossi #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #gabriel agreste #andre bourgeois #audrey bourgeois #sabrina raincomprix #queen bee

[theballadofmars]

MIRACULOUS LADYBUG FOUR HORSEMAN AU!!!

I made a post with THIS AU like a year ago and I was still having notes, and idk I ended up doing some designs, because these four would need new names and outfits to not get caught. Like, everyone in ml is pretty blind when it comes to secret indentities, but not SO blind.

So, here are some costumes with notes explaining why I took ceratin decisions.

Hope you like it, this is AU is oficially called FOUR HORSEMAN AU (thanks to the 28 people that voted, in particular the ones who wanted that name, because it was my fav too).

Also, I don't know if someone is interested in reading a post with some ideas a have for this au, but that would be for another moment.

#miraculous ladybug #four horseman au #lila rossi #luka couffaine #felix graham de vanily #chloe burgeois #ml au #queen bee

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

Thomas: (goes out of his way to make Chloe the most evil, irredeemable monster who is said to be 10x worse than Gabriel)

Also Thomas: (chooses Lila to be the new Butterfly Holder despite not doing any with her that makes her a successor to Hawk Moth)

The writing of Thomas “We Planned All of This From the Beginning” Astruc, ladies and gentlemen.

#immaturity of thomas astruc #iota #miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug salt #chloe bourgeois #queen bee #queen b #lila rossi

[drawing2cope]

Based on @theballadofmars's AU where Felix and Duusu try to free the kwamis from Gabriel and let the kwamis choose their holders. I thought this group dynamic was hilarious, so I drew it.

#miraculous ladybug #ml #ml fanart #felix graham de vanily #felix fathom #chloe bourgeois #lila rossi #luka couffaine #queen bee #volpina #viperion #peacock!felix #my art #1k #four horseman au

[imthepunchlord]

Possibly How It Should Have Been

Gosh, I've just thought about it sometimes, as I'm largely trying to turn my creative focus onto something more enjoyable than ML (hence less writing for ML fics), but sometimes I just can't help but focus on it. Cause it's a great concept and it's butchered and that bothers me so much.

And there's SO MUCH that could've been done to improve it. Some of which could be easy tweaks. Some of which needs massive overhauling. Some of it is just picking a lane, staying in that lane, and you follow the road to progress.

It's a great concept with a LOT of possibilities and ways it could've been done. I've actually thought about possible ML Rewrites a few times, I even reached out to a friend to try and help develop a Rewrite that we could've collabed on cause I was struggling to much to decide, and we both just got stuck cause there's so many options for characters and what could possibly be done as we could see so many pros for each option.

And of course, part of the pondering that came to my mind was seeing promising improvement with kwami swaps.

Like, Marinette and Adrien may have developed better if they had each other's miraculous. Plagg could've been the ideal foil to Marinette as he's the opposite of her in every way, addressing her overworking herself, prioritizing others over herself, and caring so much about her responsibilities that it just weighs and stresses her out. And with Adrien and Tikki, she could've helped him develop as an actual, step up in responsibility, learn to take on duty, to care about others over himself. She also would've helped him get the plot rolling, as Adrien is a stagnant character but Tikki is not. She's going to get him involved into the Agreste plot whether he wants it or not, and in turn, he's going to get Tikki to learn to be more attentive and considerate of her holders cause things can go south for Adrien very quickly if she pushes too much.

Gosh, another great kwami swap that could've been done that could've improved a lot was switching up who are the leads. I always wondered if Tikki and Plagg TRULY would've picked Marinette and Adrien, also if they were even the right picks now that we know that Fu doesn't know everything and is running on limited knowledge. As far as we know, they ARE the wrong picks for these two. And considering there was an ep of Tikki and Plagg picking their own users, I now wonder if Alya and Nino should've been our actual leads.

How Alya was initially as Scarabella screams to me that it would've better served in the Origins as a starting hero. Alya also has promising potential arcs as a starting hero, especially as being a superhero is her living her dream:

There's the struggle of balancing her civilian and hero life, she can learn that the civilian life is just as important.

She can learn that being a hero isn't all glory and isn't always easy.

She can learn the importance of secrecy, and what happens if she exposes herself to the public or to a friend (probably Marinette).

And a lot of the lessons Tikki is involved with would make more sense with Alya, who does get tunnel vision and isn't good at listening to others and isn't so considerate and can be very pushy with her own agenda. Alya naturally aims for the leadership position and Tikki wants her Ladybugs to be leaders, so Tikki can help guide Alya to improve as a leader. Lastly, Alya will challenge Tikki on her call outs, which could at certain points help established that Tikki isn't always right and is open to learn and adapt too. And Alya could busy herself looking into HM, making her theories and being nosy about his identity, which Tikki would readily be apart of and encourage. Which Alya should've done in the show than recklessly trying to expose the heroes identity to the public and help HM win. Which, if Adrien wasn't a hero, maybe that should have been his role instead, which Gabriel could encourage and Adrien is even more excited cause he thinks his father is taking an interest in what he does which can be some later Adrien angst for you.

With Nino and Plagg, the BIGGEST plus is that it would actually give Nino SOMETHING outside Alya and Adrien. It would've prompt him to get more focus, and based on what's seen, he's 2nd to Marinette in having the most friends, meaning he can be more engaging and present with what happens to his classmates. Plagg also could bring some needed chaos to his life. You can even expand upon what's seen in Horrificatr where Nino can be controlling, strict, and harsh so Plagg can work on that. Nino does have some similarities to Marinette where he does care a lot for his friends and is hardworking, so there's something there to make Plagg a bit of a foil to him. To expand on Nino's role as Alya embraces being the big hero and savior, could even do the fandom popular idea of him getting Guardian training.

With those two taken, this nicely opens up others getting the Five.

Marinette can work with either Bee or Fox. If you want to work off Chloe vs Marinette, it works best if Marinette has the Bee. Though I think Pollen's personality should be overhauled, but if not, at least there's a perk that yes man Pollen going to force Marinette to take initiative and decide things for herself instead of seeking advise from her kwami. And with Fox, that can work off Marinette being a meddler, schemer, being creative, and her more inclined to work from the shadows. There could also be a fun twist to explore with Marinette not liking liars and she has a miraculous tied to deception, plus her and Trixx could've been an interesting pair to see interact, especially if working off what's seen in Sapotis where Trixx is very observant and manipulative, but also a bit of a chaotic gambler (from what I've seen, later seasons seem to ruin Trixx as a character). And of course, Marinette having Fox could work off her vs Lila, you could even dabble in her vs Felix.

Arguably, Chloe MAY grow as Alya and Nino would NOT have been so tolerant of her unlike Marinette and Adrien, so Chloe could've gotten the Bee and actually be a good hero and character for it. But that can also come down to preference and how you want Chloe to go.

Adrien could've gotten the Turtle, which I think could've been one of the best miraculous he could've gotten as he naturally likes to be a protector, and this miraculous works off that while also giving him protection. Wayzz also could've maybe addressed Adrien readily sacrificing himself, help him learn to be more cautious instead of rushing in, or at least think and be smart about how you go forward. There's even a possibility of Adrien having Turtle full time, as Nino could share his suspicions with Fu about Gabriel, so Wayzz could be there as a spy to check things out, which would have Adrien eventually get involved in his own plot, but still allow things to be at a slower pace. And as Wayzz, ideally, seems to be serious and dedicated but also playful and open minded, I think he would be very engaging with Adrien, which in turn could mean that when Adrien needs a call out, he would listen to what Wayzz had to say more (as most of the time Adrien ignores what Plagg says).

As for the leads, both would have an equal neutral involvement in the plot that can explain why things don't resolve quickly (looking at you Adrien who won't even ask questions about the suspicious book your father has). Alya would be a hero and lead for glory and self-righteousness, Nino would be to genuinely help others. Neither would have a super close tie to Gabriel, allowing him to sit under their noses for a while.

Also, gosh, you even could've had a lot of fun with color coded rivals/foils/personal antagonists for Alya and Nino.

If you really wanted to do Alya vs Lila, let Lila actually have the Fox or maybe she bought the Fox in Volpina, and this has Alya and Lila having the miraculous the other is color coded for. She could work off being a hero initially for the wrong reasons, just like Alya who starts for the glory too, as well as integrity vs deception.

Something could also be done between Nino vs Felix, with Nino really color coded for Peacock while Felix is color coded for Cat. Could play off both being ambitious to a fault and being selfish and nosy, but Nino cares more for others vs Felix is more exclusive.

And if expanding to others...

Of course could do Marinette vs Chloe if Marinette has the Bee, Chloe could have the Mouse, which could be funny to see Chloe deal with herself. That might humble her.

As for Adrien... could do him and Max being foils, work off Max getting Horse while largely wearing green, and I think Adrien is most color coded for Horse. Could work off both being perfectionist and could delve into the shared interest of gaming, with Max trying to bring out the competitiveness in Adrien. Could be thinking vs action.

Either way, ML is frustrating cause it's a show with potential and great concepts and it's irritating that it got butchered so. And the most frustrating thing is that there is just so many options to how it could've been done better. And kwami swap wise, these are my top two picks that would've been better.

Thank you for coming to my TED talks.

#ml salt #miraculous salt #ml ramble #ml rant #kwami swap #miraculous rewrite #cat!Marinette #ladybug!Adrien #ladybug!Alya #cat!Nino #bee!Marinette #bee!Chloe #fox!Marinette #mouse!Chloe #fox!Lila #turtle!Adrien #horse!Max #peacock!Felix #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #chloe bourgeois #alya cesaire #nino lahiffe #lila rossi #felix agreste #felix fathom #felix graham de vanily #max kante #tikki #plagg

[fabseg-reader]

I've made new sketches.

First: The theme of insects. 🐞🐝🦋

Ladybug (Marinette), Queen Bee (Chloé) and Chrysalis (Lila/Cerise) appear together (Chrysabeebug moment) in three vignets. In the last vignet, the three girls are detransformed and Marinette is confused about her two rivals hugging her.

The second sketch represents Reverse Marinette and Chloé (both from the Re-Verse universe) getting kamikotized into Ladybiquity and Wasp. The two girls have their Miraculouses. (I thought about that with @legendaryheartsong).

Left: filtered image Right: original image

The last sketch is about Marinette and Lila from the Ballet Miracle Box AU of @bakawitch. The two girls kiss together.

#miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #chloé bourgeois #cerise bianca #lila rossi/cerise #ladybug #queen bee #chrysalis #akumatized marinette #akumatized chloé #chloelila #chrysabug #beebug #chrysabee #cerisette #lilanette #chloenette #chrysabeebug #chlolila #chlolilanette #chlorise #chlorisette #my art #sketch

[beehive-comic]

Chapter 2: Page 5-7

With his old rival out the way, Ripper seeks to expand his business.

Featuring a special guest! (Look, we all knew this would happen eventually.)

So yeah, uploads will be every Saturday for the foreseeable future if we are all okay with that. I'll give notice in advance if there is a break or anything.

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#miraculous #miraculoustalesofladybugandchatnoir #chloebourgeois #chloe #zoe lee #zoe #queen bee #queen bee miraculous #mini bee #vesperia #hawkmoth #ladybug #chat noir #beehive au #beehive #beehive comic #ml comic #miraculous comic #miraculous fan comic #miraculous au #lila rossi

[raindear-a]

I drew all the character I root for in the series!

Root for the villains? The antagonists?

Um.. yea

I know they will end up losing just like every other predictable plot out there but at least it’s feels better than rooting for the protagonist in this series somehow 😔🤷‍♀️

Personally tho

And I love how the three (Chloe, Luka, Kagami) is the only three who got more than one akumatized form.

Especially Chloe (my queen👑🐝)

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous fanart #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #miraculous monarch #monarch #chloe bourgeois #luka couffaine #kagami tsurugi #lila rossi #felix agreste #gabriel agreste #hawk moth #volpina #queen bee #akumatized villains #akumatized #ryoko #viperion #fanart #digital art #doodle #illustration #sketch #root for the villains #antagonist

[zoe-oneesama]

Can you blame Alya for not holding a grudge when she got such an awesome prize in return?

Episode 42 Part 14

First < Previous > Next Episode

Season 1, Season 2, Season 3, Season 4, Season 5

Ep 41, Ep 43, Ep 44, Ep 45, Ep 46, Ep 47

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#still laughing at canon saying that Lila's interview about being Ladybug's bff was Alya's most popular video ever #when she's literally interviewed LADYBUG HERSELF #anyway the next episode is pretty short because the bee is OP XD #scarlet lady au #scarlet lady comic #the mime #fred #fred haprele #episode 42 part 13

[kari-go]

Topina, Quartz, Apeina, Citrine

She'll get the bee temporarily, but I did the rest for fun. I really like these.

#my art #miraculous ladybug #miraculous disaster au #kwami swap #lila rossi #mouse miraculous #bee miraculous #mouse!lila #bee!lila #topina #quartz #apeina #citrine

[ijustliketoreadstuff]

Adrien was done with Chloe and Lila.

In "Protection", as Lila lies to Kagami, she makes up the lie about experiencing a tragic heartbreak in a previous romantic relationship she once had, saying that the boy she once loved had made the decision to no longer see her. Lila has lied about many things and although we know Lila is lying to Kagami about a past romantic relationship, it's not uncommon for some of her lies to end up being twisted versions of reality.

The "boy" Lila is talking about who left her in so much pain, is obviously Adrien since he is the only boy she has had eyes for since her first introduction in "Volpina". So, perhaps something did happened between her and Adrien, and that something might have occurred not long after Adrien made the decision to end his friendship with Chloe back in "Derision"

In "Derision", as Adrien silently walked away from Chloe, a lot of things must have been running through his mind as he thought about everything in his life and the life he had with Chloe (more here), but among those thoughts, he might have also begun questioning the one other thing that reminded him of his decision to end a friendship with someone, and that was his reasoning for staying friends with the only other person he knew would, and did, hurt the people he loved, Lila.

At the start of the series, Adrien had made attempts to be patient with Lila and her deceitful nature, why? Because no matter how much of a liar Adrien realized Lila was, after learning she was not a descendent of a superhero or saved by Ladybug, part of him could not help but hope that maybe Lila could eventually come around and realize her lies would not give her the life she wanted and would eventually turn others against her rather than give her the connections he thought she was searching for, to give her the love and attention he thought she needed. To Adrien, Lila had the potential to be good just as much as anyone, but she would never learn to be good so long as there were others who would attempt to expose her and humiliate her in front of others. 

(in "Chameleon", Adrien questions Marinette if her attempts to expose Lila in front of everyone was a good idea as doing so would only humiliate and hurt Lila more, pushing her away from following a better path for herself.)

Adrien remembered the way Lila reacted when Ladybug exposed her back in "Volpina", to see Lila cry the way she did after being humiliated made him feel a sense of sympathy as he determined Lila was nothing more than someone who craved attention. 

(Adrien explains his views of Lila in "Oni-chan", believing she was not dangerous and only craved attention)

At the start, Adrien genuinely believed Lila was not dangerous and just needed someone to trust and confide in, someone who would be willing to offer her a helping hand and be that person she could rely on, and he for one was more than willing to be up for the task so long as she was willing to be honest with him. However, over time, Adrien would learn just how dangerous Lila was, the more he saw the full extent of her lies, but more than anything, Adrien would also learn how his kindness for her fooled him into believing she was someone else entirely.

  In "Oni-chan", Adrien did not appreciate Lila deceiving Nathalie and his bodyguard as he knew they would suffer consequences from his father, but despite this, he would later feel hopeful in seeing Lila show a sense of (fake)vulnerability as she clung to Ladybug and expressed how she understood heroes like them were only trying to help her, but it was precisely this moment of potential good that led Adrien to build his understanding of Lila and further imagine the type of person she was, as well as what she could do for herself in the future.

To see Lila have a more positive attitude towards Ladybug amidst Oni-chan's relentless pursuit, was more than enough for him to believe that Lila was coming around and learning that she could rely on others if she was willing to set aside her ways and open up as a more truthful person, that she really was just a girl who needed a little kindness and guidance her way.

(In "Oni-chan", Cat Noir really thought Lila was coming around to accepting Ladybug, a sign that Lila had made steps to being a better person)

Unfortunately, through that one little moment of watching Lila express a sense of "good", Adrien formed a positive view of Lila which had blinded him to the reality of her deceit, all the while he was amidst a fight against Oni-chan. Ladybug knew what Lila was capable of, she knew how much Lila could deceive others because Lila told her in "Chameleon" just how far she was willing to go to ruin another person's life if they did not fall under the line she had set and let her continue to live out the life she had built around her lies.

(Marinette/Ladybug saw Lila for who she was, a bad person).

Adrien on the other hand, could not see the same truth Ladybug saw because it was in his nature to see the good in everyone, to love everyone just as much as they were willing to love him, but the good he believed he saw in Lila was something he wanted to believe Lila would prioritize for herself, however, Lila had no such plans to do so regardless of understanding the harm her lies could cause.

(Lila is perfectly aware of her actions and the lies she is telling other people )

Still, regardless of what Lila did during "Oni-chan" and "Ladybug", Adrien was still not willing to end their friendship, why? Because no matter how cruel Lila appeared to be, Adrien did not have the heart to leave someone, not when he still held out hope that things could change for the better, which is why he didn't officially end his friendship with Chloe back in "Queen Banana", even after he watched her continued cruel actions towards the others over the year.

(Despite their actions in "Ladybug" and "Queen Banana", Adrien could not bring himself to end his friendship with Lila and Chloe and only reminded them of the possibility of doing so if they did not fix what they caused and stopped their ways. Regardless if they did or didn’t, he held out hope they would listen to him and do as he asked, because they we’re friends)

And yet, in some ways, it was as if Adrien thought he understood Lila and her desperation for attention from others, because he too had experienced life where he was all alone and in desperate need of others' attention. Adrien grew up being isolated from the rest of the world, devoid of interacting with others his age. 

Sure, he had Chloe growing up, but it was precisely his experience in having just one person in his life to talk to that made him believe it would be all the difference in others like Lila who had no one. However, to Adrien, it would also be all the more painful if Lila ever lost someone like him who was willing to listen to her. After he became Cat Noir, Adrien even understood what it was like living a life surrounded by lies, lies he knew would hurt him and the good people around him, but was something he would not need to continue in the future if he found ways to improved things for himself, and so odds are, Adrien thought Lila felt the same way, but as we all know, she didn't.

Much like Chloe, Adrien believed Lila's toxic behavior was temporary, that somehow, he could help change her. Adrien never stopped trying to hold out hope that Lila would eventually realize the harm she was causing and learn to make positive changes, all things he had also thought of when it came to facing Chloe. But the more Adrien saw Chloe and Lila continue to fall back into their ways, the more he began to question Lila and Chloe, their actions and whether or not they actually wanted to hold true to their word, to their apologies, as well as their promises and commit to the hard work and sacrifice of bettering themselves, but more than that, Adrien had to question whether or not his kindness and loyalty actually meant anything to them. 

After learning the full extent to Chloe's bullying in "Derision" and knowing that Lila had already succeeded in ruining Marinette's life and reputation in "Ladybug", Adrien had to face the cruel reality of his friendship with Lila and Chloe, as well as his attempts to salvage his friendship with them, time and time again, and the reality of it all was that his friendship with the two of them was not like the friendships he had with the others, it had become toxic and one sided. 

Things he believed Lila and Chloe would never do, were things he would not do himself and only assumed others had the good sense to do the same, but Lila and Chloe had every intention to continue doing what they did, why? Because they did not see the world the same way Adrien did, and to them, they were entitled to more than others and felt justified for much of what they did. 

Adrien had tried to understand how Lila and Chloe felt and thought, but in many ways, those thoughts and feelings were his, not theirs. He tried to find the reason behind their actions, but in many ways, he believed their reasons would be the same as his if he was in their position, but they weren't, their reasons were their own and they took joy for much of what they did, even when they knew it was not morally right in the eyes of others like Adrien.

In the end, as Adrien faced Chloe in Derision and heard her talk about her views of the world (more here), he did not give the same approach he would always give, because for the first time in a long time, Adrien did not see Chloe through his eyes, he saw Chloe through her eyes and understood that no matter what his hopes and expectations were, no matter what opportunities he and others were willing to offer and no matter how much time and dedication he was willing to give, he could not expect another person to decide the path he believed was best for them, they had to decide for themselves if they would take it, and that is exactly what he had to think about when it came to Lila, he had to look at Lila through her own eyes and understand her for who she was, not who he had imagined she would become if he stayed with her long enough.

In one little moment with Chloe in "Derision", Adrien knew he had a choice to make, should he allow one sided friendships with people like Chloe and Lila to continue? To live a life where he would only have brief moments of hope over the possibility that maybe the two could one day give up their ways, as he continued to watch from the sidelines knowing they felt they were entitled to hurt Marinette and others the moment they did something again, OR set his boundaries and stick to them, say enough was enough.

Adrien told Chloe as far back as "Despair bear" that he could not be friends with someone who was cruel to others, he told Lila as far back as "Oni-chan" that she could always rely on him as a friend, but not if she hurt the people he loved.

The day Adrien ended his friendship with Chloe, was likely the day he also decided to end his friendship with Lila, he was done with both of them as he understood that although anyone can change, not everyone wanted to, some people are who they are, and not even he could change that.

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #tales of ladybug and cat noir #adrien agreste #marinette dupain cheng #mlb ladybug #thomas astruc #cat noir #mlb s5 spoilers #mlb protection #mlb protection analysis #ml protection analysis #lila rossi #chloe bourgeois #ml volpina #ml queen bee #mlb derision analysis #ml s5 analysis #mlb s5 analysis

[ninadove]

I want to do a little thing, for Science™

TO BE CLEAR this is not an invitation to spread salt about the show, the writing team or the characters themselves, and certainly not an encouragement to trash each other in the notes. You are welcome to elaborate on your opinion, as long as you do so respectfully.

Keep an eye out for the Canon >>> Fanon equivalent as Tumblr won’t let me link it!

#miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #adrien agreste #chat noir #felix graham de vanily #argos #kagami tsurugi #ryuko #gabriel agreste #hawkmoth #monarch #nathalie sancoeur #mayura #chloé bourgeois #chloe bourgeois #queen bee #lila rossi #volpina #farfalla #butterfly lila #Most of you don’t need the disclaimer but the minority that does is veeery vocal #As for me? #Nathalie 100%

[pro-bee-sisters]

I don't think I should've added Lila due to her...er...current arc atm in the show, but I know that some people like them together, and again, this could be more of a fanon thing.

#I'm not adding no one because I don't want salt in the tags or fights in the comments please #Plus this is more of a fanon thing #miraculous ladybug #chloe bourgeois #queen bee #chloé bourgeois #marinette dupain cheng #luka couffaine #sabrina raincomprix #alix kubdel #alya cesaire #lila rossi #adrien agreste #kagami tsuguri #nathaniel kurtzberg #chlonette #lukole #chlobrina #chlolix #chlolya #chlolila #chloadrien #chlogami #chlonath #shippings #poll #Oh and if you're a chloe hater #Fuck off now because I don't want to deal with your shit #Please and thank you <3

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

One of the most troubling things to me in the Revelation-Confrontation arc is that the lesson about reforming or not reforming Chloe is suspiciously reminiscent of the theme of rehabilitating criminals. And that the series blatantly says a NO on that strikes me as alarming for a children's show.

Look, I understand to some extent that there are people who can't be rehabilitated and I won't pretend I haven't had blind anger towards some criminals. But the topic is very touchy and very easy to warp and can definitely create stigmas about professional help and mental health.

If they wanted to give a lesson about dangerous people who don't change they would have done it with, I don't know, a real criminal and murderer? Like Gabriel?

The problem is that the show never really acknowledges good people can do bad things.

With Gabriel, Andre, Felix, and Nathalie, the show goes out of its way to make it clear that as far as the writers can tell, they've always been good, which is why they deserve no punishment for their actions.

With Chloe and Lila, the show refuses to portray either of them with any humanity, just evil because they like being evil.

There's no middle ground here. The show tries to act like redemption is possible, but the second someone doesn't instantly change their ways when asked to, they're treated as if they deserve no sympathy, like how Marinette acted in "Revelation".

Captain Picard put this problem best into words.

#immaturity of thomas astruc #iota #miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug salt #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #gabriel agreste #hawkmoth #hawk moth #monarch #andre bourgeois #nathalie sancoeur #mayura #felix graham de vanily #argos #chloe bourgeois #queen bee #queen b #lila rossi