#callout culture

[autolenaphilia]

The anti-kink moral crusade rests on a lot of transmisogynistic assumptions.

Of course it’s no surprise, since it rests on ideas from the moralizing arguments about bdsm made by radfems in the 70s. The only change is that they are being massively hypocritical and inconsistent about which kinks are bad now, as I pointed out before. Now it’s only certain kinks, like consensual non-consent and fauxcest, that are bad because they “fetishize abuse”, and not bdsm as whole, despite that being inarguably true about bdsm.

And that’s purely to broaden the appeal of such arguments, so that even self-described “leatherfags” can moralize about fauxcest. The morals and principles are frankly just “It’s okay if gay men call their boyfriends “daddy”, because I find that hot, but if a trans lesbian couples pretend to be sisters it’s evil.”

And you can’t really appropriate the radfem arguments about kink without taking their transmisogyny onboard, since they stem from the same transmisogynist bio-determinist root ideology. Janice Raymond in The Transsexual Empire explained trans women through a lens of pathological sadomasochism. Years before Blanchard’s autogynephilia concept, radfems have seen transfemininity and kink as the same thing.

The image of the trans woman painted by radfems then and now, is of privileged males appropriating the pain and suffering of real wombyn, and playacting this suffering for their own perverted sexual amusement. And that is the same image painted of trans women with incest and cnc kinks in modern callout posts. They just remove the explicitly terfy language to make it less obvious. Instead of making a mockery of misogyny in general, we are instead accused of mocking the experiences of the survivors of sexual abuse.

And that boils down to the same thing. Survivors of sexual assault are often as a group assumed to be afab. This ties into a specific transmisogynist discourse. It’s one that argues that afab children are more often sexually assaulted, and that trans women are not targeted by sexual violence pre-transition, and comes to the conclusion that this proves that trans women are male socialized and privileged. This is the fairly nasty transmisogynist undercurrent here.

And it’s proven when in discussions about the transmisogyny of callout culture, a common cliché line in response is that “clearly some people’s worst oppression is being told they are freaks for shipping incest.” This treats transfems as ultra-privileged and transmisogyny as not real at all.

Of course in reality, transfems are disproportionate targets of sexual violence even in childhood and pre-transition. And many survivors of childhood abuse have these problematic abuse-fetishizing kinks, and use it to deal with their trauma, including many of the kinky transfems being called out.

And even if no one involved in the sexual roleplay and fiction being criticized have trauma, the trauma of other non-involved people is not a good argument for its destruction. It’s a reasonable demand to ask for triggering material to be tagged properly so you can avoid it, it’s unreasonable to demand it shouldn’t exist.

Yet transfems are expected to accede to the latter demand. And I think this is because of what May Peterson calls transfeminized debt. It’s how we trans women in feminist circles are expected to be perfect women and perfect feminists to be acknowledged as women at all, instead of as monsters to be destroyed. Of course because nobody is perfect, this leads to every trans woman eventually being thought of as a monster.

We are treated as having to pay off the debt of male socialization/privilege to get basic human rights. And this in practice means conceding every disagreement with TME people, and agreeing to every demand they make of us. Or else we get the hot allostatic load treatment.

And that’s why kinky transfems are expected to fulfil the ridiculous demand from certain puritanical TME people that “I’m not involved in your kink, but I have trauma relating to it, so you can’t do it.” And are treated as evil monsters for not fulfilling it. It’s clearly transfeminized debt and transmisogyny, we are treated as privileged perverted monsters, inherently exempt from sexual violence. And that is used to justify sexual harassment, in the form of callout posts for our sex lives.

#transmisogyny #my writings #callout culture #purity culture

[shsl-fujoshi]

Hey. There's something I think a lot of my friends need to hear.

When someone online does something, or expresses an opinion that makes you feel uncomfortable, upset, or unsafe, it is normal and okay to want to talk about those feelings and tell people what happened.

It's totally normal to get that off your chest. its normal to tell someone close to you. It's normal to gossip about it with your friends.

Its good to express yourself when you're feeling uncomfortable and unsafe!

But expressing those feelings doesn't have to take the form of a moral crusade.

You don't have to be "spreading awareness" or "calling out" someone when you express the feeling that that person made you feel uncomfortable or unsafe.

There's no benefit to turning those feelings into a crusade, because ultimately, while your feelings are valid, mass harassment campaigns are always a negative.

You don't have to keep your feelings to yourself or hide it when you're feeling hurt or scared by another user.

But don't feel like you need to turn those feelings into a crusade against them in order to feel justified in expressing your upset.

#fandom wank #purity wank #purity culture #callout culture #cyberbullying #harassment #cyber bullying

[clearancecreedwatersurvival]

Goddamn, people on this site (and every other site too) will truly just believe anything written in a callout post if it has enough scary words in it.

Piece of advice: 90% of callout posts are complete bullshit, based on hearsay and lack of reading comprehension and often malicious misrepresentation of facts. And even the 10% that may include something that actually happened accomplish absolutely nothing besides giving people a reason to feel justified in taking part in ritualized public shaming of a convenient target for dehumanization.

I have said it before but I will say it again: we will never solve systemic problems by selecting individuals to burn on an internet pyre of social contempt. Do you want people to learn from mistakes and change for the better??? Or do you want an excuse to be cruel to someone and call it praxis?

I cannot stress enough that no one should just automatically buy whatever a callout post is selling, especially given how often the acceptable pariah of the moment is a trans woman.

#yes this is about the cohost thing #but there are TOO MANY other cases #callout culture #hellsite #transmisogyny #caitie speaks

[jam-n-jay]

Tbh I think literally everyone who is heavily invested in the call-out sphere needs to hear this

Also wow who would've figured that a trans woman would have a nuanced view on fervent persecution and punitive justice I wonder why that could possibly be

#transmisogyny #callout culture #its almost like those who are dedicated to obsessing over callouts always frame it as bettering the community by rooting out bad actors #when in reality they are nigh invariably the one doing the most harm to the space 🤭 #youd really think after years of callouts failing to actually better the community people would realize #that maybe this is the wrong approach #and that it takes a lot more than publicly shaming and ostracizing an individual to make a community more safe for those in it #hot allostatic load #punitive justice

[mywitchcultblr]

#ykinmkato #fandom #fandom etiquette #fandom discourse #old fandom #fanfic #fanfic discourse #fanfic writing #ao3 #shipping #callout culture #shipcourse #fanpol #anti fanpol #fanwork #fandom disk horse

[phantasm-masquerade]

this is possibly the worst post ive ever seen

#hibiki//discourse #ageism #adultism #transandrophobia #callout culture #dni culture #purity culture #misogyny #this post really has everything

[ribstongrowback]

re: "what if Callouts For Good tho?"

i need you to think of callouts like you think of the cops. you'll hear this retort often, when one professes their mistrust of the police establishment: "okay, but what if you get mugged, huh?".

it is a fair question, after all, we are told the police is here to serve and protect, nevermind the fact that most of the time what you'll get out of reporting a theft to the police is that you'll be able to make an insurance claim later.

the reason why this is not the armour piercing question some people think it is, is that the police is not, in fact, here to help you if you get mugged. we all know this. the police protects capital, and if you don't have that, they won't protect you, especially if you're a minority.

you know what i mean. i'm summing this up because i assume that you're coming to this debate from a broadly leftist point of view, and only repeating them so that you put a pin in that as i make my actual point. if you don't think all cops are bastards, i don't think the rest of this post will convince you either way.

the point is that the police can and will only help you if you are a person of means. the actual things that police can do, the violence cops are capable of, only works on the poor and disenfrenchised. on anyone who's not the bourgeoisie.

callouts work in a similar way, because what callouts attack is social capital.

the point of a callout is that it's a non-police solution, essentially, right? in the ideal scenario, you're pointing out harm that someone is doing so that the community wises up to how dangerous that person is, in order to reduce their ability to do harm. most people who use a callout are aiming at least on paper for the target to lose their status in the community, or for their exclusion.

the issue here is that for this to work, you have to convince the community, and even with the best intentions in the world, this only works if you, as the caller, have enough social capital compared to your target that you will be trusted over the established feelings the community harbors towards that target.

you'll notice, whenever a callout works, that the people will line up to declare that they never trusted the target anyway. that they caught a "vibe" or whatever. true, some of that might be people exonerating themselves, but mostly i think these people just feel vindication over having their biases confirmed.

in other word, callouts that work work because the target already has low social capital.

now, in a community, who has the lowest social capital? why, the minorities, of course. this is why black, disabled, trans people are the most common target of any callout that works. because these people are not trusted by the community as much as white abled and cis people, because even in progressive spaces, prejudice persists.

all of this to explain something that @txttletale said in a much more succint way: callouts only work when you're punching down.

like the police.

#politics #discourse #callout culture

[nothorses]

Aren't you the one with the weird ass misogyny kink

This is such a perfect example of how fucking stupid callout culture is, actually.

For context, nearly two years ago now, a few blogs known for picking fights & starting harassment campaigns picked a fight & started a harassment campaign against first one transmasc blogger, then a bunch of other transmascs they harassed about reblogging his post who either didn't respond to them, or who responded unfavorably.

I won't get into the nitty-gritty here, but I did elsewhere [1] [2] and so have a few other folks.

I wasn't the original person called out. I was tacked on after the fact because I didn't respond.

What I've been "called out" for since then is, essentially, a bunch of complete bullshit made up by people who are pissed off that I encouraged people to think critically about the callout posts they came across.

Even among those lies, my sex life, kinks, fetishes, whatever- none of it has ever come up. Because I don't engage with that online, I never have, and I never will, for exactly this reason.

Would you be surprised if I told you this wasn't the first time I'd been accused of the "crimes" that original person was accused of?

You probably shouldn't be! This shit happens all the time, and it's only a natural progression of the callout culture it all stems from: one person has some shit they said taken out of context and painted in a bad light by a vindictive and usually transphobic internet loser, everyone who doesn't publicly disavow them immediately and without question is guilty by association, and what reason do they have to defend this person anyway, except so they can get away with the same thing? They must be doing it too!

And this ask especially is phrased in such a blatantly manipulate way. There's no good way to answer this: either I say "yes, but" and people stop thinking or caring there, or I say "no, here's what really happened" and I look weak and dubious for defending myself at all. The accusation has been made, the question has been asked, and now everything I say is with the assumption that this is something I am responsible for proving or disproving.

It's stupid and pointless and it's all fucking made up. It's designed to run on instinctive disgust and outrage, and what better conduit is there for rage and disgust than trans people? Especially trans people who talk about being trans.

And even putting all that aside: who fucking cares?

Who cares if one dude gets off to some shit he, in real life, both suffers from and actively tries to combat? Why are you so concerned with the private sexual fantasies of one random internet stranger? Why is it so important to you that everyone in the world know what this one dude thinks is hot when acted out between two consenting adults?

Come off anon and tell me all your kinks, anon. Tell me every single thing you have ever been turned on by, everything you've masturbated to, and why. I want detailed notes. I want links to porn. If you've made art, written fanfic, roleplayed- I want to see it.

C'mon, if this should be publicly available knowledge, let's start with you. It shouldn't matter as long as none of it's weird or off-putting to anyone else, right? You don't need to hide anything, right? There's nothing there you'd be embarrassed about, nothing you'd rather keep private, right? So what's the hold-up, why haven't you done this already? Why are you on anon to begin with; what are you hiding?

If anyone's the "sex freak" or whatever, anon, it's you. Nobody fucking needs this information about anyone, especially if they aren't sexually involved with each other. It's a massive invasion of privacy, and much more importantly it is textbook sexual harassment.

Anyway. Hi, voc and w-oc. I should be more surprised to see you two in my inbox, but I guess yall are obsessive enough to respond to, literally, a couple of tags on one reblog containing undefined, contextless acronyms of your urls. Hope you talk to a therapist about that someday.

#harassment #callout culture #wont tag the acronyms here because I know that'll put it in tags- but like that post was a reblog anyway #so whats the deal. are they searching my blog for every variation of their urls and names every single day?? #just... so fucking nuts. jfc.

[werewolf-cuddles]

Anyway, you absolutely still should not blindly trust call-out posts.

The vast majority of call-outs are made with the specific goal of inciting harassment.

Unless the person being called out has done something truly horrible, and there is actual sufficient evidence to back it up, take it with a grain of salt.

Y'all need to have higher standards than "sources: dude trust me"

#callout culture

[autolenaphilia]

Another thing about callout posts you should keep in mind: screenshots of social media are trivially easy to fake, with image editing and other means, for reasons that are all too obvious. A jpg of a social media post is not proof at all.

So like, the next time you see a callout post of a trans woman accusing her of being a pedo and a screenshot of a discord convo as proof, be more skeptical of both the accusation and the supposed proof. Like callout posts are 50% unsubstantiated rumor mongering and 50% jpgs of supposedly real social media posts, it's why I never take them seriously.

#my posts #callout culture

[coyotegirl-domestic-terrorism]

the thing is that like obviously trans women can be bad people. we all have the capacity to harm others. but that doesn't make callout posts effective or anywhere near good ways to deal with those dangerous ppl. I genuinely do not care if a tgirl has actually harmed real beings, she still doesn't deserve to be harassed. callout posts do not work and will not actually solve problems.

also even if a callout post is true (which most of them aren't even), it still perpetuates the idea of The Scary Bad Tranny that is a serious threat to these poor tme ppl. callout posts often focus on the transfemininity of the victim, either through (implicitly or explicitly) tying her trans womanhood to the aspects of her sexuality the person making the post finds Icky or focusing on her talking about transmisogyny. this perpetuates ideas about trans girls inherently being degenerate perverts and also silences transfems when they try and talk about transfeminism, such as y'know, how callout posts are transmisogynistic.

so yeah, while trans women can be dangerous/harmful to others, that doesn't make a callout post an appropriate action to take

#ferric says stuff #transmisogyny #transfeminism #callout culture

[shsl-fujoshi]

Thank you for not showing the username or participating in this harassment campaign against my friend. What this person is saying on anon are complete rumors spread by a few antis who don't like feral art and incest fiction. None of these things were happening in real life, and it was all done because some kids decided to bypass our warnings and security to get in and get ""dirt"" on us.

Thank you, genuinely, for not supporting callout culture. 🧡

🫡 Nobody's going to turn me into their cop, anon, whether it's against someone who's actually bad or not.

That's the whole point here-- I don't know anything about this situation and I refuse to be dragged into it based on rumors about a person I don't know.

I would be against harassing your friend whether the rumors were true or not. Mob punishment is not the way to handle either justice or social interaction.

Mob punishment based on rumor and hearsay is a tool that can only be used for evil.

You'd think with all the proven false callouts against trans people on here that have used sexual allegations to attack and harass them, people would get the idea by now.

#ask answers #purity wank #callout culture #fandom wank #proship #harassment #cyberbullying

[haupkmn]

One thing I've been consistently noticing with people on this website not liking others is that though often make fun of them for aspects of themselves they totally cannot control.

It is perfectly fine to not like a fucking freak but making fun of their face, their disability or anything they literally cannot control doesn't seem fair to me? If someone is a terrible person who has a weird fetish or is a transphone has something like a stutter or a cleft chin, make fun of them for the things they actively choose to do instead of something they're born with.

Don't bash someone who's autistic or doesn't get social cues for making others uncomfortable for not understanding something or not noticing a boundary.

I've seen several people on this website put in the tags about other users on here that they hope they become homeless, get outed, lose access to their meds or don't get the ability to go outside. Not a lot of people can control their living situations and making fun of that isn't okay.

This also goes for people with trauma, just because someone is a piece of shit doesn't mean you have a free pass to make fun of them being abuse, their triggers or personality disorders. Yes, this includes people with NPD.

If someone uses a mobility aid, don't threaten to break it or make it worse, the exact same goes for someone's "weird" comfort item. Telling someone that you're going to burn their stuffed animal, tear up their notebooks or destroy their things.

Don't be a dick.

#malasada break! #narcissistic abuse #ableism #harassment #callout culture #this is about neotrances socalgal and a few other people not just me

[tired-fandom-ndn]

We need to stop treating callouts as well-intentioned but ultimately harmful and just accept the fact that they are specifically made to incite harassment. No one makes a callout thinking "I sure hope this helps that person realize their mistake and become better", it's always "I sure hope this person gets driven off of the internet or has a complete mental breakdown, which I will then also make a callout about."

So many people make posts about how callouts and public shaming are not conductive to actual discussion and improvement and that those things are done with private conversations, but then they don't make the logical leap and realize that that's the point. Callouts are a weapon and that's it.

Same with all those posts about lack of priority in callouts, where shipping and watching Steven universe are deemed more important than actual bigotry and violence. It's because the people making the callout don't care! They don't care about protecting people! They just want to hurt someone! That is the absolute and only end goal of all callout posts!

#callout culture

[mrjocrafter]

hot take: internet callout posts (derogatory) are more dangerous when the person they’re calling out is actually That Bad, because the inherently poisoned format makes any actual allegation less believable. like, there was that one where “making and detonating an actual fucking bomb” was fourth under “playing omori” this makes actual dangerous people be able to hide in the mountains of callout posts of people who did literally nothing wrong

#callout culture #callout posts #anti callout culture #anti internet callout culture #cyberbullying

[sweaty-confetti]

i think “problematic” as a word to describe issues with certain public figures’ behavior has been so overused at this point too it’s hard to tell if problematic means “yeah they did something kinda weird and never apologized” or “they did something super fucked up but realized the error of their ways and apologized and did better” or “they ran over 3 children and posted it on the dark web” or whatever else . like each of those situations requires different things from different people and you can’t just disavow them completely in every situation. and then it also becomes commonplace to just throw around accusations super casually . and you can acknowledge that people did horrible shitty things but you can’t just say “yeah they did x thing this person explains it” without any direct proof. i think it’s a shitty way of dealing with controversy and bad things people have done to just constantly label it as “problematic” and then just move on without actually addressing the specifics of what they did, why they did it, what their response was, how can they fix it. and importantly, you have to use your own critical thinking skills in the whole process. taking every instance of a poorly timed tweet or distasteful joke from 8 years ago or genuinely serious grooming allegations or overt racism in videos and then putting it all into a category of “problematic” doesn’t solve anything

#emo moss talks #thoughts #? #callout culture #Internet culture #cancel culture