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go-to-the-mirror · 3 months

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face the raven...

#oh my god #doctor who #episode: face the raven #my lonely rambles

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macbethz · 8 months

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Thinking about this vis a vis how Clara’s grief drove her to suicidal recklessness. She would never just kill herself a normal way because that would, well first of all be admitting that she’s still grieving and deeply unwell to herself, but also that would be boring and ordinary and the last thing she ever wanted was an ordinary death. “Don’t you dare lump me in with the rest of all the little humans that you think are so tiny and silly and predictable.” She has to die for something because that’s what the doctor would do.

Season 9 is just a season of near misses and of course what finally gets her is stupid and pointless because we’ve been trained by the previous episodes, as she has, to expect she’ll always make it out alive. Schrödinger suicide - she actively seeks out death and convinces herself she knew she would live all along. And ofc when it finally happens she has a speech prepared. Most normal character of all time

#AND PEOPLE HATE HER!!!#I genuinely could talk abt that scene in face the raven forever. actually show of all time #ok sorry I can’t be normal. wow. doctor who show of all time #I cried first time I saw that episode #warlock wartalks #doctor who #dw spoilers //#I guess?? il lots of ppl are watching for the first time now

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ethan-nestor-owns-my-heart · 5 months

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This blue jumper is public enemy no1

Bonus:

EDIT:

JWJSHUENSHNSHWNUNS OH MY FUCKING GOD, I WAS REWATCHING CLIPS FROM HEAVEN SENT AND THIS GODDAMN BLUE JUMPER POPS UP

AGAIN

I’m losing my mind. This goddamn blue crew neck jumper is everywhere. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if I woke up tomorrow and I was wearing it. I close my eyes and I see it. THIS FUCKING BLUE JUMPER (YES BLUE IT IS BLUE I KNOW IT LOOKS GREY IN SOME LIGHTINGS BUT TRUST ME IT IS BLUE IVE SEEN IT ENOUGH FUCKING TIMES TO KNOW). Poor Jenna Coleman, how many times did she show up to work only to see that blue jumper, to wear that blue jumper. How many blue jumpers are there? how many did the costume departments buy? How many times a week did someone have to wash this fucking blue jumper during filming? How much money did they spend on buying this blue jumper and then replicas of this blue jumper?

EDIT 2:

Streets saying the jumper is grey. Who am I?mCan I even see? Is my life a lie? For so long I have been haunted by the apparently blue tones of this jumper but now it’s grey??? Was it ever blue? Did it ever look blue?? But I still see blue…am I delusional??? For so long I’ve been haunted by this jumper….but did I even know the colour???

EDIT 3:

NO FUCKING WAY.

Here I was scrolling through tumblr and do you know what I see….an ADVERT, an advert about delusions….DELUSIONS. the universe is laughing at my suffering. They mock my weeps, salt my wounds, heat my burns.

EDIT 4: (IM LOSING MY MIND)

EVEN ON FUCKING COLLECTIBLE CARDD AJDJSJDJDJDJDJDJJ

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bellacatt-art · 21 days

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I'm so sorry about not posting in a while, this one took me ages to get right! The pose and positioning of the stupid bird was a NIGHTMARE to get right! 😭😭

But yeah, I wanted to draw Clara bc I hadn't yet and I thought this was a good place to start, her death hit me quite hard ngl 🥲

If you haven't seen Doctor Who, this drawing might not make much sense to you but I hope you enjoy it regardless :"D

(Also this isn't doing too well on Instagram bc the algorithm hates me so I'm just hoping it does a lot better here hehe ♡)

#clara oswald #clara oswald fanart #doctor who fanart #face the raven #ravens #jenna coleman #dr who fanart #dr who fandom #doctor who #whovians #artists on tumblr #digital art #autistic artist #still not over this episode #dont think i ever will be #:")#bellacatt art

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quietwingsinthesky · 2 months

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im thinking about clara’s ending, though. like, on a very self-indulgent level, i do enjoy that she gets to live (kind of) and time travel and get an immortal girlfriend to do it with. but on another level, i’m kind of curious… why? given how much emphasis this episode and the last put on how clara herself made her choice and didn’t want the doctor to go through all of this to bring her back, i mean she’s horrified by it, both for his sake but also for the sake of her own memory that was used to bring him to this point. and then, of course, the exchange at the end with Me and the Doctor, “summer can’t last forever�� “it can if you have a time machine”, that is so obviously meant to be this desperate, denying plea from the doctor to a universe that can’t care about the time he wants because it doesn’t even have enough for itself to keep living, and an immortal who has all the time in the world and can’t even remember all of it, even remember herself most of the time.

which. it’s just odd, then. that the episode ends with clara getting to have that forever summer. you’d think it goes both ways, not just that the doctor can’t run forever but neither can clara. she says they’ll be going back to gallifrey eventually, but words are a bit cheap against her literally running away with the last second of her life in a time machine. (and uh. given what eventually happens to gallifrey. lol. lmao. girl no one is putting u back there ever.)

i don’t think i’d call this a criticism exactly. just a strange choice to make, that the ending there seems completely at odds with everything else Heaven Sent/Hell Bent have been about. that this grief and denial are so destructive, and to no one more than themselves. but then clara escapes through a loophole anyway.

#like. i don’t want clara dead. don’t get me wrong i love clara.#but. her not being dead does make the ending a bit. weird? at odds with the rest of the episode.#because this is about grief. this is about how you can’t escape loss. there is no loophole in death.#except that. there is. and clara takes it. and she’s fine now.#like on the doctor’s end of things. emotionally this is still as impactful because he cannot get her back and never will.#but as an audience we know clara is. fine. she’s just fine. she got the forever summer.#idk! the dissonance is shaking me esp when the rest of the episode duo are so coherently painfully understanding about what they’re about #and then there’s also the other line from Me about how the doctor had no right to rewrite clara’s choice to face the raven. to rewrite *her*#so that he wouldn’t have to face his own grief. but clara ends this story rewritten. clara ends as the person the doctor made her so that #it wouldn’t hurt as much. clara does not have to face the raven.#like. the episodes are so good that this one bit is a whatever detail but it is. idk. its bothering me.#doctor who #clara oswald

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intyalote · 1 year

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what makes me insane about face the raven and “this is my fault” “this is my choice”/ “I am nothing but I’m less breakable than you” is that the whole scene is the doctor expressing guilt for forgetting that clara was human, and clara pushing back by asserting that she didn’t forget, that she was always aware of her own mortality and chose to take all those risks anyway. and while I think the doctor did forget, I’m not entirely sure clara didn’t. I think she did forget that she could die, and she’s rewriting the story in this scene, making it different, because that’s the only way she’ll be able to accept the outcome. and then I think about dark water and how what upsets her most about danny’s death is how ordinary it was. she simply refuses to accept that ‘boring’ or ‘ordinary’ could ever describe her life or the people in it. so it’s really fitting that accepting her own death means turning it into a story, mythologizing her own life with half-truths. the same way the doctor does. and just like the doctor, she gets around death in the end - not by cheating it, but by accepting it and borrowing time. just a little time.

#face the raven is honestly an underrated episode #because it was eclipsed by heaven sent/hell bent which i GET like those two are absolute genius #but they wouldn't work if face the raven hadn't set them up perfectly #dw #doctor who #clara oswald #dw rewatch #dw meta #my meta

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variousqueerthings · 5 months

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She enjoyed that way too much.

OH NO CLARA DIED. I knew that was going to happen, I have seen it all on the tumbls. but how did she die? I genuinely couldn't remember (all I had was the toymaker going "killed by a... bird?") and yeah that's what I was thinking too. a bird? really? alright then

sexism rank objectification (female character is ogled/harassed/turned into a sex joke by the doctor and/or a lead we’re supposed to root for and/or the camera): 10/10

sexism rank plot-point (lead female character is only there to serve plot, not to have her emotional interiority explored, or given agency to her emotional interiority): 6/10

interesting complex or pointlessly complex (does the complexity serve the narrative or does it just serve to be confusing as a stand-in for smart, this includes visually): 5/10

furthers character and/or lore and/or plot development (broader question that ties into the previous ones, at least two of these, ideally three should be fulfilled): 9/10

companion matters (the companion doesn’t always have to be there, but if the companion is there, can they function without the doctor– and overall per season how often is the companion the focus or POV of the story): 6/10

the doctor is more than just “godlike” (examines the doctor’s flaws and limitations, doesn’t solve a plot by having it revolve entirely around the doctor’s existence): 9/10

doesn’t look down on previous doctor who (by erasing or mocking its importance, by redoing and “bettering” previous beloved plotpoints or characters, etc.): 8/10

isn’t trying to insert hamfisted sexiness (m*ffat famously talked a lot about how dw should be sexier multiple times, he sucks at writing it): 8/10

internal world has consistency (characters have backgrounds, feel rooted in a place with other people, generally feel like they have Lives): 6/10

Politics (how conservative is the story): 6/10

FULL RATING: 73/100 (if I can count….)

alright so we're on Big Episodes Time. technically Face The Raven is the first of three episodes but it very much stands alone in Vibe, so let us look at it

OBJECTIFICATION: seriously, we're pretty good on this by now. almost like one doesn't have to make a million jokes about women's appearances or sexually harass them to write a story

PLOT-POINT: okay first contentious rating, because the whole thing about Clara in this episode is that she figures out she is Gonna Die, which is all about her emotions isn't it?

I mean... a bit. but I think it highlights two things 1. "Maybe this is what I wanted. Maybe this is it. Maybe this is why I kept running. Maybe this is why I kept taking all those stupid risks. Kept pushing it" <- this is Clara being like "ah fuck I'm gonna die, but who knows maybe that's what my whole story and self was about" and I'm scratching my head a bit, going... was it? is that... the core of Clara? do the writers know the core of Clara? Or is this just her comforting the Doctor which is my second point 2. sooo much of this death is about Clara comforting the Doctor and telling the Doctor to not get revenge and to be okay with her dying. my love, you are about to die, why are we not getting more on you?

if this story had, say, echoed way back to early days Clara (s7) who was coming to terms with the fact that she was going to die over and over again, but then is rescued from that fate in one reality (I mean, it didn't quite nail that premise, but there's cool ideas within it), and this reality of Clara being afraid of death, but wanting to engage with the fun of life instead, to the point that maybe she forgot death was even an option... there's certainly some things you can use to read this into her, but it's not textual, it's not -- I would even say -- deliberate

Clara just kinda bounced about in the story a lot of the time, as if the writers had forgotten to do a simple character bible or something to that effect with her, so that in this moment when she dies... I'm not sure how it echoes back to how she lived. "Be brave" can mean anything, it's not a Clara-based mantra that relates to anything about her before. it doesn't relate to the idea that she's died before in a bunch of different lifetimes, or that her partner died to save her -- even though she mentions that death, but it's in the context of how she should also be brave and face it, and I'm like. no! aside from how I feel like Danny Pink's narrative was written, he at the very least canonically died so that Clara would not, it seems kind of not how that was framed to go "ah well, he could do it, so can I," he would be Upset at this idea surely???

we reach the seeming end of her life and I understand how it affects the Doctor -- hell how it affects Me and Rigsy -- more than how it affects her

I didn't rate this point lower, because I do think there's some emotional throughline in the episode itself, the problem is that it feels like it didn't relate to the entire rest of her run

COMPLEXITY: there's a Plot. who did the Plot? we don't know yet. we will find out! that's fine, this is the season finale one of three, we don't need to know everything yet

Me was hired to do the plot, and she did so in... kind of a complicated roundabout way. I kind of wish she'd targeted Clara to begin with, because why would she think Rigsy could get in contact with the Doctor? I really like Rigsy, I'm happy to see him again, and he's clearly doing well, but it's a bit ooh and then this plottwist happens, except I wasn't quite following why it needed to be twisted like that in the first place + I mean the fuckn. bit at the end when Me realises what's happened with Clara feels like it's doing so much heavy lifting "I didn't know she'd do something so stupid" really? I didn't realise it was stupid, because it's just inventing stuff as it goes along

I like a lot of the stuff around the plot, but that's another point!

CHARACTERS/LORE/PLOT: I mean yeah, Clara dies and the Doctor is transported... sooomewhere. (actually when I was watching Heaven Sent I hadn't realised it was this transporter that sent him into the Confession Dial, it took me until now)

Me is running a safe haven -- again, a compelling idea that isn't really explored a lot -- and is working for sooomeone to fuck with the Doctor. villain

so yeah, big stuff. Confession Dial now out of the Doctor's hands

COMPANIONS MATTER: second contentious rating perhaps, but Clara makes one big decision in this episode, and it's a huuuge mistake and gets her killed -- the fact that everything around that mistake was kind of silly aside, it's kind of a symptom of one of the main things that frustrated me for a lot of Clara's run (and Amy's for that matter) which was that M*ffat couldn't seem to figure out how to make them make decisions without the Doctor holding their hand, and the second she does in this episode, she literally dies

“GODLIKE” DOCTOR: the Doctor goes on a bit of a murder mystery romp in this one, and that's quite fun. again, I think Clara's death was more about him and how he might react to it, than about her, but on the whole there's nothing else egregious in this

also we get the return of the flashcards, I do enjoy the flashcards!

PREVIOUS DOCTOR WHO: Mmm there's not much in this one. obviously the Time Lords are about to arrive bit by bit, but on the whole -- apart from showing some various aliens...

“SEXINESS”: Clara mentions Jane Austen as "a great kisser" in this episode, and it's... the second? third hint? that she's not quite straight. I know it's baaaasically canon at this point, but I think generally Clara being bi was handled pretty terribly, in that it wasn't

INTERNAL WORLD: there's that secret world of aliens, which mimics a bit the Zygons outside. I kind of think this deserves more than what it gets, but it's not really about it, it's just a bit of set dressing

still, some cool concepts within it. I do wonder if I sometimes am unfair about when I think something is well-developed or not -- after all, Rings of Akhaten was also an alien culture briefly shown but not too dwelled on. I think that episode really did show bits of how that space worked, and crucially the religious festival aspect of it, whereas with this you get a sense of a kind of fucked up underlying politics, but it's not important to what's happening -- heck, we discover that Me pretended to kill someone and framed someone for that fake murder, so that she could lure the Doctor there, and it's confirmed that the law is so strict that just "assuming" someone committed that murder is enough to condemn them to death without trial or chance for defence

but we don't really understand how this affects the people in this supposedly safe haven, we don't really care about any of them, and Me's "plot" is never discovered or important to the running of this place (and the next time we meet Me is in the final episode at the very very end of the Universe so whatever this place was, it's gone now, it's just some random time she spent doing this thing)

I kind of wish there was an episode that was actually about this place

POLITICS: so we've got the refugee/secret society of aliens on earth, which is... somewhat thinly depicted. and the structure of this society is veeery not-good/vicious. but I guess it's mainly just that none of this really matters to the story of the episode

I like that we showed Rigsy again and that he has a kid and seems to be doing well for himself, I think having him specifically as a recurring character was a good choice

FULL RATING: 73/100 (if I can count….)

this is the highest-rated episode of the season actually, and I do enjoy a fair bit of it. some of this rating though comes from it being a Very Big Episode that sets up various things. I realise in structure it's got a bit in common with Utopia leading into that season's two-part finale (although of course, very different finales). straggler society that's holding on, Doctor arrives and is hoping to fix things only to get hit by a curveball in the last few minutes

I think that this is where the stuff that I do like about s9 comes up against the stuff that I knew wasn't going to land for me -- things like how Me is written into the lore feeling kind of clumsy to me, Clara not being as developed as I'd want her to be, and this season having a certain "and now suddenly something really important happens that came outta nowhere" style of writing

but it's a sweet little episode on its own, with some cool worldbuilding, and Rigsy is there!

also the post-credits Rigsy graffiti'ing the Tardis was beautiful. now we head into the. Final Episodes!

I'm not gonna lie -- this is not fair to the episode but oohhhh seeing Letitia Wright was transphobia jumpscare! she wasn't super transphobic and anti-vaxx back then either, it's just. yeah, jumpscare, as my friend and I call it whenever we don't expect sudden casual transphobia reminders

#im watching nu!who #im watching capaldi who #the measurement #episode face the raven #i feel like ive forgotten to talk about something with this episode but i cannot remember what ah well

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tardxsblues · 1 year

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One question, and you will answer. How long was the Doctor trapped inside the confession dial? We think four and a half billion years. He could have left anytime he wanted, he just had to say what he knew. The dial would have released him.

Before the Flood || Face the Raven || Hell Bent

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banoffeeflamingo · 2 years

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The final conversation between the Doctor and Clara in face the raven is so…just, immaculate. It’s so desperate and angry, but tender too. They way Clara looks at the Doctor, so understanding of him and his pain, but telling him not to take revenge, is just such a testament to close she is to him and how much she believes in his goodness.

But even more impressive is how the whole meaning of the scene is communicated through their faces. They really do speak a thousand words. ‘Everything you’re about to say, I already know,’ hits so hard because it proves that Clara really does know him better than anyone else, and what she knows is that he loves her and she loves him.

I honestly can’t think of a more emotional farewell. It’s so loaded with meaning yet so subtle at the same time. And the most tragic thing is, even after Clara’s pleas for the Doctor not to take revenge, he still does. 4 billion years in the confession dial for her is nothing to him. If that doesn’t prove love, nothing does.

#doctor who #twelve x clara #whouffaldi #12th doctor #clara oswald #face the raven #my heart is broken #occupational hazard with this episode #their dedication to each other is so intense it’s almost scary and it’s great

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yahoo201027 · 5 months

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Day in Fandom History: November 21…

The Doctor and Clara help their old friend Rigsy after noticing a tattoo on the back of his neck, counting down to his death, and that's when the trio lands in a mysterious town in the heart of London, headed by an old face and a date with fate for either one of the three. “Face the Raven” premiered on this day, 8 Years Ago.

#Day in Fandom History #8 Years Ago #Doctor Who #Series 9 #Episode 10 #Face the Raven #TV and Film

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master-missysversion · 5 months

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I know this is niche but I'm thinking about pre-finale episodes. Would you classify Utopia, Turn Left and Face the Raven as pre-finale or part of the finale themselves? I see people do different things with these since they obviously go directly into their following episodes but still feel like seperate adventures

Also, what would you count as the pre-finale episode of series 12? I think you could make an argument for Ascension of the cybermen, the haunting of Villa diodati and Can You Hear Me?

#doctor who #cuz to me the timeless children alone is what i think of as the finale episode #but realistically theres no reason to exclude ascension of the cybermen and even thovd relates to the finale and directly precedes AotC #and i dont include Utopia or Turn Left or Face the Raven but i know others do

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