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pitviperofdoom · 1 year
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Between Redwall and Outcast of Redwall, Sunflash is kind of the first Badger Lord of his kind, and I can't believe I either forgot or missed how genuinely cool he is.
Like first off he's basically the Mossflower version of a superhero. He's a wandering do-gooder who shows up in times of need to rescue people in trouble before moving on without asking for a reward, to the point where songs are sung about him and he reaches legend status by probably his late teens. And yet he's so different from the handful of Badger Lords we've seen so far, which at this point are Boar, Rawnblade, Urthstripe, and Urthwyte. (Yes I know Orlando eventually goes to Salamandastron after the events of Mattimeo but I don't count him because we mostly just see him as a dad.) Every one of them, except maybe Urthwyte, basically lives to fight vermin. Urthstripe shows distaste at the thought of parlaying with them. Rawnblade literally names his sword after how much he uses it to kill vermin.
Sunflash? Rescues Bruff and Tirry's family from foxes, but recognizes that the foxes are just bullies and scares them off without hurting them. Smerc and the eel literally try to drown him in a swamp, and he still shows concern for them when Skarlath strands them in a tree. The only ones he shows no mercy to are Warpclaw, a slaver who was trying to kill a baby at the time, and Swartt and his horde, that being a deeply personal conflict with a genuinely dangerous warlord who prides himself on being cruel. And if I recall correctly, once Swartt's dead and the horde is dealt with, that's basically it for Sunflash's fighting days. He rules Salamandastron as a farmer and poet, not a warrior.
I just think he's really cool and stands out among the rest of the stab-happy Badger Lords. I know he's not the only one who takes up a peaceful life--hello, Russano!--but he definitely set the standard for them and he's still one of my favorite badgers.
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trashrat11 · 11 months
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Extremely rushed Veil animatic
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redwalltournaments · 10 months
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This is now my blog for any Redwall themed tournaments I feel like doing or that anyone else may suggest. Best Villain and Most Tragic Death have been done elsewhere but anything else is fair game.
Same mod as @incorrectredwallquotes
Starting out simple with best Redwall book. In order to make the math pretty I’ve included The Great Redwall Feast and A Redwall Winters Tale, additionally the semi-finals will feature triple contestants. Polls will last a week to get some traction.
Match Ups Round 1:
Redwall vs. Eualia Winner: Redwall
Lord Brocktree vs. Marlfox Winner: Marlfox
The Long Patrol vs. Mariel of Redwall Winner: Mariel of Redwall
Rakkety Tam vs. Martin the Warrior Winner: Martin the Warrior
Triss vs. A Redwall Winters Tale Winner: Triss
Mattimeo vs. Outcast of Redwall Winner: Mattimeo
Salamandastron vs. High Rhulain Winner: Salamandastron
Pearls of Lutra vs. Doomwyte Winner: Pearls of Lutra
The Bellmaker vs. Mossflower Winner: Mossflower
The Great Redwall Feast vs. The Sable Quean Winner: The Sable Quean
Loamhedge vs. The Taggerung Winner: The Taggerung
Legend of Luke vs. The Rogue Crew Winner: Legend of Luke
Match Ups Round 2:
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Redwall vs. Marlfox Winner: Redwall
Mariel of Redwall vs. Martin the Warrior Winner: Martin the Warrior
Triss vs. Mattimeo Winner: Mattimeo
Salamandastron vs. Pearls of Lutra Winner: Pearls of Lutra
Mossflower vs. The Sable Quean Winner: Mossflower
The Taggerung vs. Legend of Luke Winner: The Taggerung
Match Ups Round 3:
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For this round only one contestant will be eliminated, the remaining two contestants will swap competitors and move onto the semi-finals.
Redwall vs. Martin the Warrior vs. Mattimeo Eliminated: Mattimeo
Pearls of Lutra vs. Mossflower vs. The Taggerung Eliminated: Pearls of Lutra
Match Ups Semi-Finals
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Contestants have swapped competitors to avoid going against the same book as the previous round.
Martin the Warrior vs. The Taggerung
Redwall vs. Mossflower
Finals
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Martin the Warrior vs. Mossflower
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theredwallrecorder · 10 months
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outcast: the necessity of the mace
The kestrel spoke around a beakful of chestnut: “I am Skarlath; I was alone, but you saved my life; now I am with you. Where come you from, friend?”
Scratching his golden stripe, the badger chewed thoughtfully. “I’m not sure. I think I had a mother, Bella or Bellen or something, it’s hard to remember. I must have been very young. Boar the Fighter, that’s a name I recall, maybe he was my father, or my grandsire, I’m not certain. Sometimes I dream about home, or maybe it’s my imagination, but it feels nice. Then there’s the mountain, was that my home? It is all very mixed up.”
Sunflash speaks about himself, excerpt from Chapter 2 of Outcast of Redwall
one of the reasons outcast differs from every other novel of redwall is in the fact veil, the titular character, does not even exist until the eighteenth chapter of the book. the previous seventeen chapters are spent building the rivalry between swartt sixclaw, the primary antagonist, and sunflash the mace, ascendant badger lord. though he may not have done so intentionally, mister jacques’ inclusion of the experience of sunflash allows us to draw comparable narrative lines with veil’s story. sunflash is fortunate to bear memories of his early childhood that become the lynchpin for his growth into a just, kind, and wise badger lord and friend. this foundational aspect of backstory, echoed more explicitly in the narrative of deyna in taggerung and rooted in current theories of psychology and human development, postulates that positive experiences with a parental guardian in early life are necessary for healthy growth and formation of the self. in future posts, we will weigh the differences between sunflash’s early childhood and veil’s early childhood; here, we will extrapolate what sunflash’s early memories imply about his childhood environment.
though his memories are certainly sparse, the tone and descriptive words sunflash uses to talk about his early childhood betray more about it than he is consciously aware of. he begins his reminisce with his mother: she is the largest figure in his memory as a baby. her name comes to his lips immediately, though when he presses against the fog of memories, he falters in his confidence. so much of the secure base of his babyhood has been eroded by the cruelty he experienced at the hands of swartt. bella likely spoke to sunflash of boar the fighter even before he could understand speech, sharing the legacy of their bloodline and imparting some of the sense of the destiny of badger lords to her son--whom she knew, even as he was a babe, he would one day take on that heavy mantle. perhaps boar even visited little sunflash in his early dreams, as is the mysterious power of some badger lords, which could explain sunflash’s vague sense of the existence of salamandastron. it is one of the latter lines of sunflash’s dialogue that gives us the most information about his formative environment. he dreams of his home and the emotions those dreams conjure for him are inherently positive. these dreams bring him comfort and they are totally unlike his reality at the mercy of swartt. “... it [thematic elements of home] feels nice.” what does “nice” mean for a baby? we can easily guess. there was safety. there was security. there was warmth. baby sunflash’s basic needs were met: he did not go hungry, somebeast tended to him when he cried, and he was groomed and cared for.
swartt tried his absolute damndest to beat any sense of personhood out of sunflash. swartt gave sunflash a degrading name, forced the young badger to commit acts lower than a slave, deprived sunflash of food and drink, and left him exposed to suffer the full effects of the weather. swartt did not succeed in breaking him because sunflash carried his verifiable sense of self borne out of the scant memories of his childhood. sunflash knew he had a benevolent mother figure. he knew he had a family history, the promise of having come from somewhere and something of any measure of meaning. he knows he had a home: a place where he was wanted, where he belonged. it was a place where he was safe, where his needs were met, and where his worth as a living creature was imparted. sunflash subconsciously knew that swartt could not truly define him.
veil, in strikingly direct contrast, was given none of these things.
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Bluefen: You told me he died!
Swartt: Well, there’s an explanation. I'm a really terrible person, and I left him in the woods to die.
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Ah goddammit, Outcast has been living rent-free in my head for the last two weeks now. I love that book, and I hate that book, and I wish the subject matter had been handled better. And no, I don't care if anyone thinks the "dumb kiddie animal books" are cringe as hell, this is my brain right now. I want to gather that kid up in my arms and protect him because goddammit the people who should have been able to put their issues aside and protected him just failed that kid so damn hard. Nature versus Nurture my ass, gah.
Do not @ me. I am feeling feels right now. Even twelve year-old me thought that whole thing was fucked up.
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inu-jiru · 1 month
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How I'd Write "Outcast of Redwall" - The Name, The Prologue and Book One
So as a Redwall fan, I've seen my fair share of complaints about Outcast of Redwall and why it's the black sheep of the franchise, and while I haven't read the book itself, from what I've heard in podcasts and read on Redwall blogs, I can agree that it's got issues. It's a shame because I believe there was potential in it, and Taggerung was a much better representation of the idea Brian Jacques was trying to tell. I know people have their own ideas of how this book could've been better (and I'm a good 20 years late to the conversation), but I couldn't help but think of my own version since I've been getting back into the series (I've been writing a fanfiction as well that I should probably post here lol). This is going to be long so I'll split this up into separate posts:
THE NAME
For starters, I agree with the common criticism that "Outcast of Redwall" kinda fails as a name when the Outcast in question isn't even born until the 2nd act, if I'm remembering correctly. For the plot I came up with, I figured "The Hunted Ones" would be appropriate, referring to the main characters, Sunflash and Bluefen (yes, she's got a much bigger role this time around), as well as those close to them, and how they're under the constant threat of Swartt and his influence.
THE PROLOGUE
The prologue is a telling of Sunstripe's capture. This is based on the assumption that Sunstripe was about Mattimeo's age (so early pre-teen, if the animated series is anything to go by), when he ran off to fight Verdauga. The prologue starts many days after Sunstripe is defeated by Verdauga. Sunstripe has since wandered far into the northeastern section of Mossflower Country, injured and too ashamed to return to his mother and Brockhall. Wishing to have simply died by Verdauga's paws, Sunstripe leans near a tree and decides to waste away, believing it to be what he deserves for failing to avenge his father. He falls unconscious just as vermin emerge from the woods. These vermin are followers of Wurgg Snarefang (formerly Wurgg the Spinecracker in canon; he is a ferret and Bowfleg's father in this reimagining, the surname comes from Bowfleg's canon insignia), whose camp is settled in the area. Binding Sunstripe, Wurgg's beasts bring their prize to the ferret, who claims Sunstripe as a pet. The prologue ends here.
BOOK ONE - THE ALLIANCE
Book One would mainly follow the growing companionship of Sunstripe and Bluefen, as well and their eventual escape to Redwall.
It begins seasons after the prologue. Sunstripe is now an adult (late-20s, early 30s-ish, in human years). He's lived in captivity for seasons, being beaten and mocked by the horde constantly. A late middle-aged Bowfleg Snarefang now rules in his late father's place, and has gifted the family "pet" to his daughter, Bluefen (who would be close to 18 or 19 in human years). Bowfleg is not a very good father and lives off his father's infamy, growing fat and lazy as a result. He's abusive to his daughter, ordering around like a housewife and ignoring her complaints when he tells her to seek out a good, strong and loyal ferret in the horde to serve as his son-in-law and carry on the Snarefang bloodline. Frustrated and feeling like a prisoner in her own right, Bluefen regularly takes out her anger on Sunstripe, calling him "Scumtripe" as an insult.
Sunstripe, meanwhile, regularly has dreams of Mossflower, his parents, Boar the Fighter, and the mountain of Salamadastron. He regularly feels the pull to escape, to see his mother again and to visit the mountain, but is unable to shake off his guilt. He is also housed in a deep pit lined with smooth stone, making climbing out impossible without outside assistance.
At the same time, an outsider named Swartt Sixclaw arrives from farther north with his small band, "eager" to join Bowfleg's ranks. Bluefen doesn't trust Swartt for a second, but Nightshade, Swartt's Seer, is able to sway Bowfleg's mind with "omens" promising a great future should Bowfleg accept Swartt. Bowfleg, blinded by these false promises, offers his daughter to Swartt as a token of their alliance, much to Bluefen's dismay. Swartt agrees, purely to keep on Bowfleg's good side.
A feast is arranged; Sunstripe is taken out of his prison an made to do tricks. Swartt is allowed to torture him (which he enjoys a bit too much). Bluefen can't bring herself to enjoy any of it and takes off, contemplating if she should simply flee to begin life elsewhere. After the feast, she goes to Sunstripe's prison to try and cheer herself up with her usual bullying, but breaks down due to the anger at her father and the fear of her new husband. Seeing this and being reminded of his mother's pain after Barkstripe's death, Sunstripe shows compassion to his would-be tormentor and consoles her. Bluefen is uncertain of why a beast she mistreated would be kind to her, but does admit that she's being married off to Swartt. Sunstripe can tell it upsets her greatly. They strike up a conversation and the seeds of a bond are planted. While this happens, Swartt takes advantage of a drunken Bowfleg and poisons him with wine, becoming the sole ruler of the Snarefang horde.
The following seasons are rough for Bluefen as she suffers her new husband's cruelty, and his treatment of Sunstripe leaves a bitter taste in her mouth. Swartt has claimed Sunstripe as his steed and regularly brings him out of his pit to ride him around camp. Swartt also schemes to move further south, having heard on the wind that the Thousand Eye Army is long gone and Mossflower sits free for its next ruler. The march begins, and a pregnant Bluefen desires more and more to escape and live elsewhere. Her conversations with Sunstripe continue, and they bond further over how miserable they are. Sunstripe soon decides that, even if his guilt still lingers, he has to help Bluefen, whom he pities despite her past mistreatment of him. Desperate, Bluefen agrees, and they plan their escape.
As Bluefen assists Sunstripe in escaping his prison, she's spotted by Swartt's followers, and they both flee for their lives into the woods. Swartt, taking the lead, attempts to kill Sunstripe, but with some quick thinking, Sunstripe crushes Swartt's arm with a makeshift club. The pair disappear into the woods, and their journey begins. Things are rough, given the winter climate, and both have little experience surviving in the woods, Bluefen especially. They bicker a few times, but Bluefen dares not leave Sunstripe's side, knowing his usefulness in a fight. Things take a turn when Bluefen goes into labor, and Sunflash takes her to a cave which is inhabited by the Lingl-Dubbo families. Kind beasts, the families agree to look after Bluefen and provide both travelers with good food. A healthy baby ferret is born that night. Bluefen names him Veil, due to his mask marking reminding her of the veil she wears. She plans to never tell him of his father or of the Snarefang Horde.
Skarlath, a friend of the families and fancier of cheeses, visits the cave and befriends Sunstripe and Bluefen. He's asked to guide the pair further south to Redwall Abbey, so that Bluefen could provide Veil with a proper shelter and food. While recovering, Bluefen is also taught a bit of how to use a sling, so that she can defend herself and her baby. Veil is a fussy infant, constantly demanding food and attention and it reminds Bluefen of her father and Swartt. Part of her considers dumping the baby entirely, but she decides against it, not wishing to be as cruel and sadistic as the ferret she'd left. The journey continues with the three friends narrowly avoiding Swartt and using guerilla tactics to slow the horde down and lower Swartt's numbers.
As Redwall draws near, Sunstripe sends Bluefen and Skarlath to the abbey while he creates a diversion to keep Swartt away from the innocent beasts there. Secretly, Sunstripe fears meeting his mother, who now resides at Redwall, and he still wants to visit Salamandastron, which is further west. He promises Bluefen that they'll see each other again and Skarlath decides to act as a messenger between them once Bluefen is settled.
Sunstripe leaves and Skarlath informs the Redwallers of Bluefen and her baby. Some are wary, especially when hearing that a horde is approaching the Abbey. Martin the Warrior (and most of the other characters from Mossflower and Legend of Luke) has recently passed, and the only defenders are descendants of the Mossflower Holt and Lady Amber's squirrels. Abbess Bryony is willing to house Bluefen and Veil, but won't hesitate to give them both to Swartt if it means protecting the Abbey. An old Bella of Brockhall argues in defense of Bluefen and Veil due to the ferrets' association with her son, and commands the Abbey defenders to keep an eye on the woods, as well as sending the Skipper and a party of helpers after Sunstripe to keep him safe.
The combination of his rage against Sunstripe and the beasts guarding Redwall force Swartt to focus solely on the badger, leaving Bluefen and Veil safe. The book ends with Swartt and his forces beginning their march west, Skipperjo and his group catching up with Sunstripe and traveling with him, and Bluefen settling into Redwall with Veil.
FINAL THOUGHTS
I feel like, in a book format, this Book One would be pretty long, but it does have to set things up before Redwall gets involved. I wanted Veil to actually be alive in Book One, even if he isn't the main focus, and I also wanted to try and fix up the timeline issues the original book had. It might not be perfect, but I think I did pretty well. I'll write Books 2 and 3 at a later time.
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captainmirefleck · 1 year
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Vote for your favorite Redwall villain! Not who you think would win in a fight, but who you think is most effective as a villain or who you enjoy the most!
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lostmidnightwriter · 1 year
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If Swartt Sixclaw and Felahgo the Assassin ever met:
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otherkinotd · 8 months
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Today's otherkin of the day is Jodd, who is squirrelkin 🐿️
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inkoutsidethelines · 1 year
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Funniest thing about Outcast of Redwall is you have to get like halfway through the book before the titular character is even born.
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pitviperofdoom · 1 year
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Like we all know that Redwall is riddled with continuity errors, it's practically part of the charm, but the ones that bugged me the most were the ones surrounding the events of Martin the Warrior's time. Timballisto was one of the most frustrating ones; in Outcast of Redwall, Brother Barlom is his grandson and talks about the stories Timbal told him about Martin, but then later in the series when The Legend of Luke rolls around, suddenly BJ needs there to be a reason Martin can't talk to anyone about his spotty memories of his father, so he has to retcon that Timbal died during the winter after the fall of Kotir. Stuff like that!
But, rereading Mariel of Redwall, I stumbled on another continuity error that used to bug me, and when I read it now I can't help but think I might have misinterpreted it the first time around. At the very least, it's fairly easy to re-interpret it. Dandin says that "the father of [his] father's father" (great grandfather) is Gonff, but later, in Outcast again, Bryony is the great-granddaughter of Gonff with none of the Mariel characters in sight. Outcast also has a number of direct connections with the characters from Martin's time, like Barlom and Bryony, like Togget being the grandson of Dinny, like Bella of Brockhall literally being still alive. Mariel of Redwall only has Dandin and Rawnblade, the latter being Sunflash's great-grandson. Sunflash wasn't a major player until Gonff had already passed away!
This is all a lengthy explanation to get around to the idea that Dandin's "father of my father's father" turn of phrase could've been non-literal, like a fancy and verbose way of naming him an ancestor but not describing the actual connection. It makes sense! Mariel of Redwall is pretty far removed from the events of Martin's time. The abbey itself is still young, but Martin and the founders are far more distant memories than only three generations would account for. If nothing else, it makes the timeline a tad bit more sensible.
There's no salvaging the Timballisto thing, though.
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trashrat11 · 2 years
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Redrew a scene from Fantastic Mr. Fox but with Bryony and Veil
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redwalltournaments · 10 months
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theredwallrecorder · 10 months
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outcast: opening thoughts
i think i may have mentioned in tags or briefly in other posts that outcast of redwall is very special to me. i am unceasingly grateful to mister jacques for writing this book, not only because it is a vital fictional case study in family dynamics, child behavior, and the influence of environment on human development, but because of mister jacques’ fundamentally honest approach to narrative.
if there is anything you can be convinced of in regards to all of redwall, it is that you can always trust that mister jacques will never attempt to sell you a “falsehood” in order to bring his story in the direction he intends. what do i mean by “falsehood”? for the sake of avoiding spoilers from a show i in full transparency have actually never seen (game of thrones), i would instead like to use an example from a similar recent adaptation of the works of one of mister jacques’ contemporaries: amazon’s rings of power.
again, to be fully transparent, i abhor rings of power, and not for its misguided multi-ethnic pandering that at times borders on insensitivity. in robust confidence and unfailing ego a pair of men undertook the writing of this show, and the shallowness of the narrative they have birthed betrays their lack of experience and their emotional immaturity. rings of power alone is the biggest reason i am low-key relieved that netflix’s planned redwall movie and tv show have effectively been shelved for the time being. i cannot quantify the amount of grief that would fall over me if we were given a version of mister jacques’ world that had been mindlessly adapted in such a way as to make it a brutal mockery of mossflower. far more eloquent critics and devout middle earth scholars have broken down the aspects of amazon’s rings of power that have fallen far short of tolkien’s vision, and i encourage you to peruse their think pieces, but i will simplify my point by picking out the treatment of the character of galadriel. the narrative rings of power attempts to sell you is based entirely on an interpretation of galadriel that has nothing to do with the infinitely wise, long-suffering figure of galadriel that tolkien wrote. tolkien’s galadriel is soft and powerful, containing the narrative depth of living through thousands upon thousands of years of the cultural height and decline of middle earth, and every word she speaks is laden with conscious discernment and meaning. true, galadriel at the time of rings of power is much younger than the galadriel tolkien presents in the lord of the rings, but it is canon that she had already been married and had had a daughter by the time rings of power is meant to take place. in comparison, the galadriel of rings of power is a petulant, rude, self-serving, overbearing child, carrying none of the life experience of the equivalent canon galadriel of this time. i believe the choice of the show’s writers to remove completely galadriel’s life partner celeborn and her daughter celebrían speaks volumes about their true intentions in regards to galadriel’s character within the narrative of rings of power. 
to fashion their narrative into the shape they desired, the writers of rings of power eschewed canon and distorted the character of galadriel. i am sure you can easily think of other stories where character psychology was sacrificed on the altar of The Ending Or The Twist The Writers Wanted. to the best of your memory, your readings of outcast may have come across in a similar way--mister jacques mangled the characters of bryony, abbess meriam, bella, and even veil to, perhaps, smooth over the bitter sting of the abbeybeasts’ treatment of veil. i will be the first to admit that veil’s foul behavior is exaggerated almost to the point of comedy, as is the nature of stories intended for children, but mister jacques was never in the business of pursuing extremes in order to make a point. adolescent drama is as tumultuous as the myriad changes of puberty, and jacques has gone on the record stating that he writes from what he has observed. the naked fear or disgust brought on by a reading of outcast of redwall is based in the fact the characters are true: true to themselves, true to each other, and true to the beliefs under which they were raised. it is sobering to discover that a children’s book can prompt one to grapple with the reality that cruelty, albeit wholly unintended, can come from goodness.
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incorrectredwallquotes · 10 months
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Veil: I think I'm going to go wander out in the rain for a while.
Byrony: But it's not raining.
Veil: I can't catch a break!
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