#samama khalid

[riveracheron]

so sam’s initial test grades for - what seems to be the magnus entrance exam, i think? were part of the ARG.

and knowing he was rejected from the institute puts his score into an interesting position

because sam had the highest recorded empathy of any of the kids at a 98% empathy index.

and if he was rejected…

are they looking…for low empathy kids? for what??

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #samama khalid

[aliet-jayne]

I've seen a few "I'm the only normal one here" jokes since tmagp started. I disagree.

#tmagp #the magnus protocol #my art #tmagp spoilers #samama khalid #celia ripley #gwen bouchard #alice dyer #prompted by Sam and Celia's 'sharing all our deepest secrets! :)' convo where they kept dodging the actual secrets. #chaotic couple years :( ended up with Jack :) #rejected by the Magnus Institute :(

[squiddymaru]

I draw nothing for a while then BOOM! Protocol is consuming my waking days (Not complaining).

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #samama khalid #gwen bouchard #colin becher #alice dyer

[thermodynamic-comedian]

what i think oiar employees listen to at work:

alice - welcome to nightvale

sam - white noise or r&b playlists

gwen - malevolent

colin - death metal

lena - the scp foundation database

celia - the magnus archives

#this post sponsored by my genuine headcanons as well as my need to include that meta punchline at the end #tmagp #the magnus protocol #tmagp headcanons #tmagp shitpost #alice dyer #samama khalid #gwen bouchard #colin becher #lena kelley #celia ripley

[murderandcoffee]

I wonder what the final straw is going to be between alice and sam. a flippant remark or too-sharp dig from alice? another step back or half-hearted appeasement from sam? differences in beliefs, in motivations, in coping mechanisms? a monstrous entity, or a coworker?

how will they finally fall apart? what will be the final strike that drives a wedge between them that neither of them can overcome?

#I am having THOUGHTS #AUGH #tmagp #the magnus protocol #alice dyer #sam khalid #samama khalid #invextigators #bs.txt

[samwise1548]

Why so many posts about Alice being sad over Sam? Why aren't there more posts about Sam being happy with Celia?

#just an observation #tmagp thoughts #my thoughts #tmagp #the magnus protocol #alice dyre #samama khalid #celia ripley

[lostlavenderer]

I just know Alice was biting her tongue that whole time because ain't no way Sam came to work drunk and is telling her about being professional. She's a better woman than me I would've started lecturing him right then and there instead of the few snark comments she made.

#like sam baby come on now. you've been lowkey leading my girl on and now this????? #smh #alice come here ill treat you right i promise #tmagp #the magnus protocol #tmagp spoilers #tmagp 13 #alice dyer #samama khalid

[jaredhopworth]

His puppy eyes and concerningly curious nature has led me places i wouldn’t go with a priest

#the Magnus protocol #tmagp #samama khalid #alice dyer

[they-call-me-haiku]

chat are we seeing this

#i know it’s from a previous episode but i just realized #tmagp #the magnus protocol #tmagp spoilers #samama khalid #jonathan sims

[lalaloves]

More Sam amputee whips 😝🤭

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #the magnus archives #art #fan art #samama khalid #alice dyer #celia ripley

[cult-of-the-eye]

the way sam could have been so close to becoming an avatar, the chosen one, from the magnus institute, manchester but he wasn't. this time we're looking at the perspective of someone who could have been and is now taking that could have and making it a definitely, out of their own free will, as opposed to jon who was forced into his role every step of the way.

#freewill is definitely gonna be a big theme here #whether humans really do choose their actions or if they're determined by some uncontrollable external force #goddd this is so cool #tma #the magnus archives #jonathan sims #tmagp #the magnus protocol #sam khalid #samama khalid

[sapphicthunderhead]

My poor baby Alice, what has this cruel world done to you??? Pls get over that dumbass Sam. He’s not worth it. You’re a strong independent woman and you don’t need no man

But if you are in the market for romance, babe, try being nice to Gwen. I know it goes against everything you stand for, but she’d be down bad for you in a week tops. (I’m seriously considering the dyhard ship as a prospect now. What has the world come to?)

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #tmagp spoilers #alice dyer #samama khalid #gwen bouchard #dyhard #I’m just going to pretend like I didn’t just listen to Sims’ personal revenge fantasy against finance bros #fair #but vindictive #also Celia has a WHAT

[eyesalleyes]

I need dyhard to be canon because I actually can’t comprehend a reality where Alice hopelessly pines after Sam as he and Celia learn to be happy together.

I can’t sit here and watch as Alice isolates herself to “help” Sam.

I can’t listen as Sam and Alice refuse to communicate and their relationship is torn apart and Sam has Celia, but Alice has nowhere to go to. She is alone, parents dead, Sam in love with someone else, Gwen a rival. NO NO NOPE NO, I need dyhard to be cannon

#the magnus protocol #samama khalid #alice dyer #dyhard #gwendolyn bouchard #celia ripley

[ratboyvince]

Fuck you *transgenders your OIAR*

Alice is a trans woman, obviously. She/her but has experimented with she/they as well as variations of neo pronouns.

Sam is transmasc and gender nonconforming, uses he/they mainly but they also are chill with she/her and fem terms if they trust you. (Includes Alice)

Gwen is a stealth trans woman, She/her.

Lena’s pronouns are she/her only because they were government assigned. If she had a personality then they would change but she wouldn’t tell you unless she respects you.

Celia uses she/they, not sure about her actual gender identity tho!

Colin is the token cis gay man who will snap a terfs neck.

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #magpod #alice dyer #samama khalid #lena kelley #gwendolyn bouchard

[theanxiousghostartist]

A collection of theories and speculation from TMAGP 13

SPOILERS BELOW

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Celia: It's interesting that (assuming she is telling the truthee about Jack/his age) that she would have chosen the name Jack for her baby. Jack is an old nickname for John. I know names aren't really a big factor in the show (Jonathan Sims took his name for the main character of TMA lol), but it's still interesting. Also, she mentioned that it had been a few years since she "moved here" but we know that Chester, Norris, and Augustus showed up about a year and a half ago (the first episode mentions a year, but Same mentions in this episode that it had been about 6 months since he got the job). So we have 3 possibilities, assuming that Celia is from TMA and that Chester and Norris are Jon and Martin (and Augustus is probably Magnus):

1. Time works differently. Celia showed up a few years ago, probably 1-2 years before Jon and Martin, therefore time could work differently for Jon and Martin in the computer system.

2. Celia is lying. I don't remember hearing an glitches while she was talking, so this may be unlikely, however, it is possible that Celia showed up around the same time as Jon and Martin and lied about it to Sam to giver her more of a past. In this episode, she said Jack is around a year old, which could fit into this timeline, if Jack was a premie or if Jack came with her either from TMA or he randomly showed up when she arrived.

3. Celia could have just said the time frame wrong. It's possible that Celia could have said a few years, when she actually arrived around a year and a half ago. This would be untrue, but technically not a lie as a year and a half could be counted as 2 years, which could be counted as a few years. It's possible that she did this intentionally or it's possible that she actually thinks it was a few years. Since she was having "a werid time," her memories could be messed up, especially if she traveled from TMA.

Sam's past: Sam said everything started going wrong after the Institute, which eventually landed him at the OIAR. Could this be the Web's doing? We know that the Web has manipulated a future archivist before, with the Web being the first to mark Jon, so it's possible that it's doing the same to Sam.

Lena & Gwen's discussion: Lena says that her group is "managing the bad guys" which makes me wonder: Is something else controlling the fears? Did the Web take over? Or did this world just figure out how to deal with the fears?

Personally I think it's either a different entity entirely controlling the fears/keeping them in line or the Web (we already know that the Web has manipulated most of the fears before, with Gertrude's/Agnes's bond, Jon, the eyepolcolypse, ect).

#tmagp spoilers #tmagp theory #tmagp speculation #tmagp 13 #tmagp 13 spoilers #tmagp celia #celia ripley #jack ripley #tmagp jack #sam khalid #samama khalid #tmagp sam #lena kelley #tmagp lena #gwen bouchard #gwendolyn bouchard #tmagp gwen #tmagp #the magnus protocol theory #theory #the magnus protocol #the magnus protocol spoilers #the magnus protocol 13 #Spoilers #Speculation

[fuckthisshitimin]

THAT DAMNED SPREADSHEET

DOES ANYONE TO HEAR ABOUT MY ADVENTURE IN THE SPREADSHEET?

Cause I'm pretty damned sure I know what getting "High" on Milgram means.

Talking about his being rejected by the Magnus Institute, Samama said:

[That definitely feels like when it all started. […] Well, after that it all just went downhill. Didn’t get into Oxford, so I went to Nottingham.]

And that does not sound like what one would say about something that happened when they were, like, eight. So I went to take another look at the spreadsheet. Of course I was wrong, because The Magnus Institute burned in 1999, so he couldn’t have been more than nine, but I found out other stuff.

A thing that bugs me in how I’ve read some discussing the spreadsheet is that Sam has the highest empathy score, and that it made him “too nice/good” for the Institute’s purposes (not necessarily this directly but it has been implied, including in the “recruiting future avatar theories, and… well, implying that low empathy makes you more likely to become a literal monster is quite disgusting, actually).

First, I think we got one thing wrong on the Kohlberg column. Since they are kids, it doesn’t seem shocking that they’d be around stages 1 to 3 of his “Six stages of moral development”; but it doesn’t say Stage 1, 2 or 3 it says Level 1, 2 or 3, and I don’t think it’s a mistake.

His six stages are divided into three levels: Pre-Conventional (1,2), Conventional (3,4) and Post-Conventional (5,6).

People in stages 1 and 2 (Level 1) have a sense of morality that is linked to the direct consequences of their actions on themself — stage 1 is “don’t hit the dog because you’ll be punished” and stage 2 “give her half your banana and you’ll get half her chocolate bar” (very simplified).

People on stages 3 and 4 (Level 2) have internalized their surrounding’s sense of morality and act accordingly — stage 3 being “I’ll get a good grade in being a person by following the rules” and stage 4 “the rules I learnt are true and real, failing to follow them is Wrong and upholding them is Right” (idem).

People on stages 5 and 6 (Level 3) have a personal sense of morality that is critical of societal norms — stage 5 being “there are rules, and those rules can and should be changed through compromise to be fair to the greatest number”, and stage 6 “unfair rules should not be followed, direct consequences like punishment are irrelevant when it comes to deciding to do what it right” (very, very, very simplified).

If I’m right, the spreadsheet is so much more understandable.

First thing I wanted to do was put numbers on how singular Sam’s results are:

He gets “High” on both Milgram and Asch when the overwhelming tendency is that the higher your other scores are, the more likely you are to get “Low”, and the numbers were, indeed, that among the 49 children who scored “High” on both, 33 were in Piaget’s stage 1, 15 were in stage 2 and only Sam was in stage 3.

The 33 kids who were in stage 1 are the opposite of Sam:

(Abbreviating so it’s easier to compare values but P=Piaget, K=Kohlberg, Ps=Prosocial, S-A=Sally-Anne, U=Ultimatum, EI=Empathy Index)

33K: (P) Stage 1 :: (K) Level 1 :: (Ps) Low :: (S-A) Fail :: (U) Unfair :: (EI) ≥62%

Sam: (P) Stage 3 :: (K) Level 3 :: (Ps) High :: (S-A) Pass :: (U) Fair :: (EI) 98%

So that’s weird. And when I went to filter by Kohlberg levels… absolutely no kid that was on “Level 2” scored High on Milgram and Asche.

In fact, among the 99 kids on Kohlberg Level 2, none got “Low” for prosocial, none got “High” on Milgram, only 2 got “High” on Asch.

And when we read “Level 2 (Conventional Morality) instead of “Stage 2 (Pre-Conventional Morality, what benefits me directly)” we can make sense of this: 

“To reason in a conventional way is to judge the morality of actions by comparing them to society's views and expectations. […] Conventional morality is characterized by an acceptance of society's conventions concerning right and wrong. At this level an individual obeys rules and follows society's norms even when there are no consequences for obedience or disobedience. Adherence to rules and conventions is somewhat rigid, however, and a rule's appropriateness or fairness is seldom questioned.” (by Kohlberg himself, from Wikipedia)

Adults can be Level 2, by the way. Adults can even be Level 1. Subjects of the Milgram experiment are displaying peak Level 2 behavior.

“High” on Milgram is “Did not electrocute/Disobeyed”

“High” on Asch is “Did not conform”

GOSH THAT IS SATISFYING

Bonus: the average empathy index is 79,1%, the median is 82% with 116 kids below 82%, 13 kids at 82% and 120 kids above. Of the 116 kids below the median, 11 got “Low” on Milgram. Of the 13 median kids, 3 got “Low” on Milgram. Of the 120 kids above, 91 got “Low”.

If we take the average instead, of the 163 kids more empathetic than the average, 100 got “Low” on Milgram, and 2 got “High”, of the 86 less empathetic than the average, 5 got “Low” and 59 for “High” on Milgram.

So actually here, low empathy is inversely correlated to willingness to hurt if ordered to.

And it makes sense. Low empathy is often associated with anti-social personality disorder, autism, depression — and you know what’s very associated with anti-social personality disorder? Disobedience.

Now I have to make another post about the weird kids in red's names.

#tmagp #tmagp theory #tmagp arg #samama khalid #tmagp spoilers #the magnus protocol #the magnus institute #the spreadsheet #guys i am so unused to numbers now #it's three am and i haven't eaten since breakfast #i don't even know if someone made a post like this already but i didn't find anything