#the outcast of redwall

[dellain]

i was rereading the outcast of redwall

#redwall #the outcast of redwall #brian jacques #moles #meme #redwall meme #redwall abbey #sure grandma let’s get you to bed

[abbeyarchives]

Just got to that one part of ep. 60, and ooo boy yeah. Very much that nature over nurture vibe. Looking at you, Outcast. Looking at you, Taggarung.

YEAH! UH HUH!!!! UH HUH!!!!!!!!

*vine boom sound at the mention of Outcast*

*vine boom sound at the mention of Taggarung*

#host izze #the outcast of redwall #taggarung #redwall books

[rose-of-redwall]

AU where Veil gets everything that’s owed to him in life, the poor young dear

#redwall #brian jacques #veil sixclaw #swartt sixclaw #redwall au #the outcast of redwall

[samrobac]

So I'm like halfway through "the outcast of redwall", I know I'm on book 2.

Feels like the outcast should have showed up a lot sooner.

#redwall #the outcast #the outcast of redwall

[incorrectredwallquotes]

Bryony: Come on, you need to go to bed. Veil: Mr. Snuffles says that I can stay up as long as I want. And that you need to die! Bryony: … Bryony: What the hell, Mr. Snuffles—

#redwall #brian jacques #outcast of redwall #bryony #veil sixclaw

[pitviperofdoom]

Between Redwall and Outcast of Redwall, Sunflash is kind of the first Badger Lord of his kind, and I can't believe I either forgot or missed how genuinely cool he is.

Like first off he's basically the Mossflower version of a superhero. He's a wandering do-gooder who shows up in times of need to rescue people in trouble before moving on without asking for a reward, to the point where songs are sung about him and he reaches legend status by probably his late teens. And yet he's so different from the handful of Badger Lords we've seen so far, which at this point are Boar, Rawnblade, Urthstripe, and Urthwyte. (Yes I know Orlando eventually goes to Salamandastron after the events of Mattimeo but I don't count him because we mostly just see him as a dad.) Every one of them, except maybe Urthwyte, basically lives to fight vermin. Urthstripe shows distaste at the thought of parlaying with them. Rawnblade literally names his sword after how much he uses it to kill vermin.

Sunflash? Rescues Bruff and Tirry's family from foxes, but recognizes that the foxes are just bullies and scares them off without hurting them. Smerc and the eel literally try to drown him in a swamp, and he still shows concern for them when Skarlath strands them in a tree. The only ones he shows no mercy to are Warpclaw, a slaver who was trying to kill a baby at the time, and Swartt and his horde, that being a deeply personal conflict with a genuinely dangerous warlord who prides himself on being cruel. And if I recall correctly, once Swartt's dead and the horde is dealt with, that's basically it for Sunflash's fighting days. He rules Salamandastron as a farmer and poet, not a warrior.

I just think he's really cool and stands out among the rest of the stab-happy Badger Lords. I know he's not the only one who takes up a peaceful life--hello, Russano!--but he definitely set the standard for them and he's still one of my favorite badgers.

#redwall #redwall reread #outcast of redwall

[trashrat11]

Extremely rushed Veil animatic

#redwall #outcast of redwall #veil sixclaw

[son-of-drogo]

Bluefen Lives Outcast of Redwall AU:

-Bluefen, once she's strong enough slips out of the hoard camp in the middle of the night with baby Veil.

-Since it's during a super harsh winter and also Swartt doesn't give a shit about her or their child, no one goes after her.

-She almost doesn't make it, but manages to get to Redwall.

-Most of the Redwallers are suspicious of her, except for Byrony.

-They become great friends.

-Veil is still named Veil, but this time the name means 'courage' or 'daring' in the ferret language.

-Bluefen didn't speak to anyone for almost a full season.

-She manages to win over most of the Redwallers by the end of the season.

-Once she began to come out of her shell, she proved herself to be kind, helpful, and brave.

-The following spring, a fisher ferret named Hooter (named for his large nose) came to visit Redwall.

-They became fast friends and later fell in love.

- Hooter is the exact opposite of Swartt Sixclaw. He's warm, funny, sentimental to a fault, and adores Bluefen and Veil.

-Veil grows up in a loving environment, to rather than in one of prejudice and suspicion.

-He grows up to be kind and brave like his mother.

-While Veil knows Hooter isn't his bio dad, he's the only father he's ever known.

-Much, much later, Hooter and Bluefen have a daughter named Aster.

-She's a dibbun during the later parts of Outcast.

-after getting driven off from Salamandastron, Swartt decides it's a good idea to attempt to take Redwall. Predictably, it is not.

-there's a great scene where Bluefen gets to tell Swartt what she thinks of him.

-Veil is the next creature to carry the sword of Martin. Although he never faces his father in combat, he proves himself against other creatures in the hoard.

-He never faces his father bc Sunflash gets ahold of Swartt first.

-Also Skarlath lives.

#redwall #outcast of redwall #how to fix one of my least favorite redwall books #Bluefen deserved better

[redwalltournaments]

This is now my blog for any Redwall themed tournaments I feel like doing or that anyone else may suggest. Best Villain and Most Tragic Death have been done elsewhere but anything else is fair game.

Same mod as @incorrectredwallquotes

Starting out simple with best Redwall book. In order to make the math pretty I’ve included The Great Redwall Feast and A Redwall Winters Tale, additionally the semi-finals will feature triple contestants. Polls will last a week to get some traction.

Match Ups Round 1:

Redwall vs. Eualia Winner: Redwall

Lord Brocktree vs. Marlfox Winner: Marlfox

The Long Patrol vs. Mariel of Redwall Winner: Mariel of Redwall

Rakkety Tam vs. Martin the Warrior Winner: Martin the Warrior

Triss vs. A Redwall Winters Tale Winner: Triss

Mattimeo vs. Outcast of Redwall Winner: Mattimeo

Salamandastron vs. High Rhulain Winner: Salamandastron

Pearls of Lutra vs. Doomwyte Winner: Pearls of Lutra

The Bellmaker vs. Mossflower Winner: Mossflower

The Great Redwall Feast vs. The Sable Quean Winner: The Sable Quean

Loamhedge vs. The Taggerung Winner: The Taggerung

Legend of Luke vs. The Rogue Crew Winner: Legend of Luke

Match Ups Round 2:

Redwall vs. Marlfox Winner: Redwall

Mariel of Redwall vs. Martin the Warrior Winner: Martin the Warrior

Triss vs. Mattimeo Winner: Mattimeo

Salamandastron vs. Pearls of Lutra Winner: Pearls of Lutra

Mossflower vs. The Sable Quean Winner: Mossflower

The Taggerung vs. Legend of Luke Winner: The Taggerung

Match Ups Round 3:

For this round only one contestant will be eliminated, the remaining two contestants will swap competitors and move onto the semi-finals.

Redwall vs. Martin the Warrior vs. Mattimeo Eliminated: Mattimeo

Pearls of Lutra vs. Mossflower vs. The Taggerung Eliminated: Pearls of Lutra

Match Ups Semi-Finals

Contestants have swapped competitors to avoid going against the same book as the previous round.

Martin the Warrior vs. The Taggerung

Redwall vs. Mossflower

Finals

Martin the Warrior vs. Mossflower

#Redwall #Redwall tournament #round 1 #brian jacques #Mattimeo #Mossflower #martin the warrior #mariel of redwall #the Bellmaker #the rogue crew #eualia #Salamandastron #the sable Quean #lord Brocktree #legend of Luke #outcast of Redwall #the Taggerung #pearls of Lutra #marlfox #the great Redwall feast #a Redwall winters tale #the long patrol #Triss #rakkety tam #doomwyte #loamhedge

[silverwhittlingknife]

which character who has canonically died would you most like to codemn to live?

Hi <333 OOOH okay so full disclosure when I was reading that post I was mostly thinking about stories I already like - so, like, there's the near-death stories, which I'm forever obsessed with - Dick trying to do noble self-sacrifice post-Blockbuster, and Tim trying the same thing in Red Robin, and both of them ending up inconveniently alive afterward.

And also, a bit more directly, the Lotus Pier story starts with the protagonist DRAMATICALLY DYING IN NOBLE SELF-SACRIFICE --- aaaaand then getting brought back to life over a decade later. And VERY INCONVENIENTLY it turns out all of the people that our hero was obsessively avoiding having honest emotional conversations with?? They are all still around!! And all those relationships are all still unresolved!! Anyway naturally our hero does his level best to pretend he has NOT come back to life, but fortunately/unfortunately they figure him out after a while.

(He still manages to duck out of some emotional resolutions, because he is the most instinctively evasive man In The World, but that is what fanfic is for.)

THAT SAID IF I LIMIT IT TO CANON COMICS DEATHS FOR CHARACTERS WHO DO NOT COME BACK TO LIFE --

Mostly villains I think?? Like, this isn't really relevant to the earlier post, because that was about self-sacrifice, but right now I'm just thinking about the vibes of "I would like to condemn you to live." And that's usually villains!!

If there's a villain who isn't intended to be especially sympathetic but then is kinda sympathetic in ways that are never fully explored, I am always, like, what if they lived though. Not necessarily in the canon stories, but in fanfic sdfdsfs

So for comics: Tara Markov.

#ask tag #for the lotus pier show: xue yang. he is a bad guy who does many terrible things but also kinda gets caught up #in his own con of pretending to be a good guy & he never gets the chance to resolve his own emotions about it #because he is too busy being Evil #also he has Trauma but nobody is very sympathetic about it #...so uhhh i guess there is a particular kind of villain plotline that i find compelling because that's basically tara too sdfsdfs #also in literature i have never forgiven redwall for the death of veil the outcast

[heijishindo]

"oh! I'm so happy to see you up and about! How are you feeling? Lunch will be served soon! Come and sit with Togget and I if you're feeling up to it. How is the little one?"

----

Au in which Bluefen survives childbirth but is sickly and is left behind with veil after Swartt is attacked as she couldn't keep up

She and Bryony become girlfriends because bryony is the only redwaller that isn't suspicious of her and raise veil together. Bluefen adjusts to abbey life well enough, veil is still a little bitch (affectionate) but turns out slightly better off

#redwall #outcast of redwall #veil sixclaw #swartt sixclaw #abbess bryony #bryony redwall #bluefen redwall #my art #bluefen #bluefen lives au

[taleweaver-ramblings]

In the tags on the Mossflower post you reblogged you said that it wasn't your favorite (like it seemed to be op's). Which would you say Is your favorite 👀

This is a very hard question, and my Great Redwall Reread of a few years ago actually made it harder. It is, to be frank, easier to tell you my least favorite than my favorite. But if I must make some choice, it's a five-way tie between Lord Brocktree, High Rhulain, Rakkety Tam, Pearls of Lutra, and Mattimeo.

Lord Brocktree has the fabulous dynamic between the main characters (especially Brocktree and Dotti), Bucko's challenges, pretty much EVERYTHING with the hares, a stellar example of rivals-to-friends, and a pretty epic ending.

High Rhulain, Pearls of Lutra, and Mattimeo all have the riddles/treasure hunt thing going on, which I will never not love. As far as I was concerned, that was a plotline Jacques could repeat as many times as he wanted and I'd be happy.

High Rhulain is probably also a major source of my love of the "young person has nobility unexpectedly thrust upon them; must figure out How Does One Royal?" trope. And it has both hares and otters (my two favorite Redwall races) in major roles! This makes me happy.

Pearls of Lutra is actually my favorite of the treasure-hunt plots, and I think it's the best of the seafaring Redwall books. It's still in the era where we're seeing the overlap of different generations, and we see the young characters from past books grown up, and I really enjoyed that while it lasted. It also has one of the best sympathetic villain characters in the series . . . and I just like Grath Longfletch as a character, what can I say?

Rakkety Tam is Scottish squirrels. Enough said.

(Ok, but actually you have Scottish squirrels, plus the Long Patrol, plus Tergen (who is Excellent), plus a really cute romance? I also love the poems that bracket the different sections. And can we TALK about the final battle? It is arguably the MOST impressive fight, at least in terms of power imbalance, since Martin vs. Tsarmina in Mossflower. Rakkety Tam takes on the evil equivalent of a badger. And WINS. Literally the only reason this is not hands-down my favorite book is the existence of Yoofus, who annoys me so much.)

Finally, Mattimeo really just has almost everything I love about the Redwall series, both the A and B plots are excellent, and it's another one of the stories where you get to see some of the next generation. And it has the Sparra in it — I was so sad when Jacques dropped them from the narrative.

So, yes. Those are probably my favorites. I do love a lot of the series, though, so it's very hard to choose! And I recognize that not all of these have the Significance or Weight of Mossflower, and some of them may be technically weaker books . . . but they're the ones I've loved since the first time I read the series, and that I've only come to love more in the times I've reread them.

#taleweaver answers #asks answered #firefletch #redwall #marlfox + mariel + bellmaker + long patrol + mossflower + triss all nearly made the list #there's genuinely only a few books in the series that I'm meh about though #(those being outcast + salamandastron + eulalia)

[theredwallrecorder]

outcast: the necessity of the mace

The kestrel spoke around a beakful of chestnut: “I am Skarlath; I was alone, but you saved my life; now I am with you. Where come you from, friend?”

Scratching his golden stripe, the badger chewed thoughtfully. “I’m not sure. I think I had a mother, Bella or Bellen or something, it’s hard to remember. I must have been very young. Boar the Fighter, that’s a name I recall, maybe he was my father, or my grandsire, I’m not certain. Sometimes I dream about home, or maybe it’s my imagination, but it feels nice. Then there’s the mountain, was that my home? It is all very mixed up.”

Sunflash speaks about himself, excerpt from Chapter 2 of Outcast of Redwall

one of the reasons outcast differs from every other novel of redwall is in the fact veil, the titular character, does not even exist until the eighteenth chapter of the book. the previous seventeen chapters are spent building the rivalry between swartt sixclaw, the primary antagonist, and sunflash the mace, ascendant badger lord. though he may not have done so intentionally, mister jacques’ inclusion of the experience of sunflash allows us to draw comparable narrative lines with veil’s story. sunflash is fortunate to bear memories of his early childhood that become the lynchpin for his growth into a just, kind, and wise badger lord and friend. this foundational aspect of backstory, echoed more explicitly in the narrative of deyna in taggerung and rooted in current theories of psychology and human development, postulates that positive experiences with a parental guardian in early life are necessary for healthy growth and formation of the self. in future posts, we will weigh the differences between sunflash’s early childhood and veil’s early childhood; here, we will extrapolate what sunflash’s early memories imply about his childhood environment.

though his memories are certainly sparse, the tone and descriptive words sunflash uses to talk about his early childhood betray more about it than he is consciously aware of. he begins his reminisce with his mother: she is the largest figure in his memory as a baby. her name comes to his lips immediately, though when he presses against the fog of memories, he falters in his confidence. so much of the secure base of his babyhood has been eroded by the cruelty he experienced at the hands of swartt. bella likely spoke to sunflash of boar the fighter even before he could understand speech, sharing the legacy of their bloodline and imparting some of the sense of the destiny of badger lords to her son--whom she knew, even as he was a babe, he would one day take on that heavy mantle. perhaps boar even visited little sunflash in his early dreams, as is the mysterious power of some badger lords, which could explain sunflash’s vague sense of the existence of salamandastron. it is one of the latter lines of sunflash’s dialogue that gives us the most information about his formative environment. he dreams of his home and the emotions those dreams conjure for him are inherently positive. these dreams bring him comfort and they are totally unlike his reality at the mercy of swartt. “... it [thematic elements of home] feels nice.” what does “nice” mean for a baby? we can easily guess. there was safety. there was security. there was warmth. baby sunflash’s basic needs were met: he did not go hungry, somebeast tended to him when he cried, and he was groomed and cared for.

swartt tried his absolute damndest to beat any sense of personhood out of sunflash. swartt gave sunflash a degrading name, forced the young badger to commit acts lower than a slave, deprived sunflash of food and drink, and left him exposed to suffer the full effects of the weather. swartt did not succeed in breaking him because sunflash carried his verifiable sense of self borne out of the scant memories of his childhood. sunflash knew he had a benevolent mother figure. he knew he had a family history, the promise of having come from somewhere and something of any measure of meaning. he knows he had a home: a place where he was wanted, where he belonged. it was a place where he was safe, where his needs were met, and where his worth as a living creature was imparted. sunflash subconsciously knew that swartt could not truly define him.

veil, in strikingly direct contrast, was given none of these things.

#i have tried my best to avoid using clinical language to describe sunflash's connection with his babyhood #commonly known psych buzzwords are fun #but often lack the true nuance of their meaning #clinicians would posit sunflash was likely 'securely attached' to his mother #due to the rapidity of creature development in the redwallverse #my theory is that one significant positive experience with a benevolent caregiver is enough for a creature to form a secure attachment #evidence of this could be deyna/tagg of taggerung #his first swim with his father became the anchor of his humanity #outcast of redwall #text #sunflash #sunflash the mace #skarlath #bella #boar the fighter #make no mistake #veil was wronged

[moonybadger]

You can (magically) make two more seasons of Nelvana Redwall cartoon. What two books you would choose to adapt? What change would you make to the plot, if any?

Oh man... while there's a ton of other books I'd love to see adapted (Taggerung, Lord Brocktree, and the two Mariel books come to mind) I think the boring answer is that I'd have to go with Mossflower and Legend of Luke.

They'd just tie so naturally into the Martin the Warrior season, and it'd be REALLY great to see Mossflower with the context of Martin grieving the death of Rose. I'm not sure BJ had that aspect of Martin's backstory written in stone since Mossflower was written first. I'm also just really desperate to see Martin's friends actually get better insight to his trauma, since in the canon of the books he never tells them about Rose and Marshank. Legend of Luke ALSO gives Mossflower more context, because we find out that Windred and Sayna were actually natives of Saint Ninian's before being driven out by Verduga Greeneyes.

I just finished reading Legend of Luke recently, and while the Luke segments were very good, I found the Martin parts frustrating because it never felt like the narrative was willing to give Martin time to process anything. The pacing was SO fast and he very adamantly refuses to talk about anything with anyone besides a few brief words with Vurg once he's finished telling Luke's story. AND AGAIN Rose and Marshank are never brought up! I know Martin swore himself to secrecy regarding the location of Noonvale, but Gnoff is his best friend. I wanted to see them talk about it! And likewise I know that Martin's memory loss from how badly hurt he was fighting Tsarmania is more of a plot device then anything, that's also something I'd like to see discussed. Is this something that will get worse? Does it affect his daily life? That kind of thing!

I also thought the narrative was very kind to Luke's decision to go after Vilu Daskar; yes he ended up freeing all the oar slaves on the Goreleech and slew a very dangerous pirate crew before dying himself, but almost all of Luke's crew died in the process. Not only that, because he left what was left of his tribe practically undefended to go hunt down Daskar (basically just older mice, very young children, and a few teenagers with swords) Martin is captured and made a slave, Windred dies on the journey to Marshank, and the rest of the tribe just ends up captured or killed by DIFFERENT pirates. But Martin is very at peace with his father's decision, even though it resulted in him living as a slave for some time at Marshank (though can you imagine if Luke HAD stayed and Martin had been taken to Marshank? Dude would have just burst through the wall of the fortress and ripped Badrang's head off)

ANYWAY point being! I think there's a ton of potential to connect these three books, especially since Martin the Warrior was already adapted so they can lean on that! Martin is such an integral aspect of the series that he really deserves to have his fully story animated.

#redwall #followup choices are Outcast of Redwall but with HEAVY rewrites on how Veil is handled #also make Bluefen survive #and the Cregga trifecta books #which are The Long Patrol Marlfox and Taggerung if memory serves me right #ask a badger

[ereborne]

Song of the Day: June 5

"Matches to Paper Dolls" by Dessa

#song of the day #took me such a long time to place this song today #grinding my teeth through some particularly frustrating data requests #(here's a direct quote from the request message: ?grad students?) #and I'm baiting myself with Redwall books and at some point I was chanting 'just one more chapter' and then it had a rhythm! #and I was like oh that's a song! what the hell song is that #took me aaaages which feels silly because it's part of the chorus but then the chorus is so rarely the best part of a Dessa song #'forgive and forget and give in to attraction / this whole thing depends on amnesia and magnets' has the best delivery #and then just after it 'the fervor the fire the feathers this fever defies measure' is I think my favorite phrasing #anyway I'm sleeping in segments and waking to work and giving myself jaw strain the whole time but I made a really nice pasta salad #and I've read four Redwall books--Outcast; Mariel; Mattimeo; and my beloved Rakkety Tam #(if I were going to have something with a rhythm stuck in my head by all rights it ought to be Rakkety Tam's epigraph chants #Rakkety Rakkety Rakkety Tam the drums are beatin braw) #I'll be a person again by this weekend whether I like it or not--my family is coming! #Mom's bringing the littles up to stay with us for their summer break #no idea what that'll do to my sleep schedule but it can't get worse!

[incorrectredwallquotes]

Veil: I need to get some air. Bryony: There’s air in here. Veil: I don’t want your air!

#source: victorious #redwall #outcast of redwall #veil #bryony #brian jacques