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...TBH, I think it's because of how focused the debate is on copyright. because, copyright isn't really about material conditions if you actually think about it and how it operates.

Like, there's an old phrase that "The purpose of a system is what it does," and if you look at what it does, copyright is far more about procedure than artists' rights.

Look at all the creators who've had their rights taken out from under them. The creators of Disco Elysium come to mind immediately, as does Jack Kirby.

Look at how sampling was expanded into a "right" which only resulted in a brief windfall for a few artists followed by record companies buying up those rights and most small artists being priced out of it.

If you look at What It Does, in the long term it's far less about defending small artists and more about legitimizing corporate procedure and enclosure.

But, if you look at the rhetoric of most people who defend it in its current form, that material impact doesn't matter. It's all about vibes.

It doesn't matter whether or not the unauthorized use of your work actually had an actual material impact on you; directly or indirectly; if you consider it "stolen" in that framework, it is existentially tainted. It is about the principle of the thing, perceived fairness vs actual impact.

And, given how that lens of copyright and of "theft" is A) Based more on vibes than on actual impact and B) The most pushed angle on this whole issue, it is extremely unsurprising that it goes to existential questions rather than actual questions of material impact.

And, the creepy thing is, that's basically the whole swindle of the people pushing this the hardest, because their goal is not to actually mitigate the material impacts, it's to expand copyright.

Like, Jon Lamb and Karla Oritz were caught liking a tweet saying they hope the Internet Archive gets taken down via that lawsuit against it. Neil Turkewitz is a literal ex-RIAA ghoul.

These people do not care about your livelihood, they care about copyright and expanding its overreach.

Like, I agree with OP that we need to prioritize the labor question, fundamentally and deeply.

Like, online indie artists need an org to fight for their interests yesterday (though today will do just fine) and a lot of that has to do with pushing back against not just AI SEO-spamming sludge; but the broader ways algorithmization has fucked online artists.

Even in pro-AI-art orgs, there's a damn good reason that @are-we-art-yet 's rules include "Don't undercut other artists" and "Don't prompt living artists who aren't okay with it" and most importantly "Never do AI art work for megacorps".

But I also think that when we prioritize copyright, we ignore these questions because, at its core, arguments based around copyright "theft" are not about material impact; they're about vibes; and they drag the rest of the conversation into that space.

i feel like i'm losing my mind why has the AI debate pivoted away from material/labor concerns back to debates about Real vs Fake Art. cannot express just how little i care about relitigating Art and high art and low art and skilled vs unskilled art. what i care about is the treatment and compensation of workers, the power corporations are exerting over intellectual property and creators, the continued extraction of resources, and the omnipresent glut of spam and disinformation with few or no regulations/resources that filter out the SEO AI generated nonsense

#copyright #ai art discourse #rambling #shut up titleknown

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@schafpudel

NIGHT SWIM

(Companion piece to COLOR BLEED)

#good art #good colors #pretty #dragon #cool art

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You ever think about how in Socialist Bolivia they get these gorgeous Neo Andean buildings with these beautiful bright colors and bold forms, meanwhile in the capitalist world we get Frank Gehry, who's buildings appear hostile to human life and sanity and generally look like if skyscrapers had tumors and they tried to make those tumors into real buildings; and who's attempt at a "brain health center" would probably turn you into the fucking Joker if you went there?

...I'm actually not joking about that last one, look at it:

It's like if they gentrified a fucking Psychonauts level...

#architecture #capitalism #frank gehry #buildings #hellscapes #bad place

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hi! i find your stance on ai art a very interesting perspective that definitely makes me challenge what i've previously heard regurgitated about it. i myself have an interest in a topic that can be considered theft of intellectual property, but is still fascinating to me. generative ai and the workings of it is a really interesting topic to me. i feel like ai has become this "boogeyman" of intangible art theft to most people, which makes it hard for me to discuss what i find interesting. anyway, thanks for the challenge to what i've previously been told

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thanks for sending this - this is really ultimately what i (and most hobbyists) want to do - the mainstream discourse around this has been so utterly dominated by one, extreme, uninformed opinion - and it really sucks for those of us who genuinely love or just find interest in this really new, experimental, still-constantly-shifting medium!

i agree w this - i think a lot of varying anxieties and fears artists - esp illustrators and digital artists - have sort of culminated into this perfect singular "Bad Thing" that, to them, is like. this artistic Anti-Christ, almost? instead of this.. just, complex piece of technology with varying degrees of origins ranging from cool, open source, collaborative stuff (like stable diffusion) to career-ending, layoff inducing, closed source garbage (open AI do NOT interact)

in order to tackle the actual problems and threats of AI and machine learning, you gotta actually understand it. and that includes understanding the good and interesting of it, too!

as an aside - this is probably why such giants of digital, experimental, and derivative art like neil ciceriega/lemon demon are fans of the tech, use it for fun, and defend it online (much like i do). it's really not as different from other kinds of derivative artforms as people act

#art #ai art #yeah #truth

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It's weird how the names of "doom metal" and "death metal" sound so similar when the subgenres seem to signify very different sorts of sound.

Like, as a casual observer who tends to prefer the latter, death metal sounds like Cookie Monster screaming at you like your abusive stepmom in hell while doom metal is like "Do ya like Black Sabbath?"

#doom metal #death metal #metal #music #silly #comparisons

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Zhmerya and Dina, cyber dragon sisters

#dragons #monstergirl #good art #good colors #good costumes

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Terrible realization I had: The Necrons are just the Necrontyr's Nobodies.

#warhammer 40k #kingdom hearts #necrons #necrontyr #nobodies #organization xiii

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@reggiemess

pixiv banning r18 material in the us/uk is bad. really bad

#censorship #internet censorship #holy shit #scary #yikes

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from the river to the sea… 🍉🇵🇸🍉

#free palestine #kirby #fanart #good art #good

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...It's weird thinking about Elf Bowling as a cultural artifact because, like, the whole premise was the Elves' Union was going on Strike and Santa had to violently put them down in the form of bowling.

Like, it kinda shows how labor was in such a bad cultural place that violent union-busting was the subject of a Funny Joke Freeware Game, and we just kinda went with it and it was a massive hit.

It's just kinda fascinating, that's all...

#elf bowling #unions #labor #labor organizing #labor history #culture #cultural artifacts

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@randomitemdrop

I feel like you're overestimating the power of the demon blade ngl

#demon blade #meta humor #unreality #cursed weapon #silly

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Bad TV Show Idea: My Name is Erlking

#the erlking #my name is earl #bad ideas #there are many ways they could do it and they're all very dumb #i would watch it tho #tv shows #silly #puns

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"My hungry ass could never be a midwife." ~ Tarrare

#tarrare #dark humor #silly #history #cannibalism

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Hunter The Parenting Headcanon: The setting's equivalent of TTS Kaldor Draigo is the last of the White Howlers.

Cause, I mean, it would fit wrt the whole idea of "Marty Stu character concept redeemed by virtue of being bugfuck insane" and all...

#hunter the parenting #werewolf the apocalypsr #kaldor draigo #white howlers #marty stu #silly #world of darkness

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Got one of these little dino guys recently

#neopets #dinosaur #fanart #good art #silly #cute #good

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Thought: What if Slenderman doesn't actually have an end goal with all those proxies and schemes and clues and so-on, but rather, the end goal is the all consuming self-devouring mystery itself.

A tangled web in the lost woods meant to drive people in to go mad looking for answers where non exist and in their madness warping to create clues that never were before to lure more in, turning conspiracy into some kind of terrible trivium one might say...

#slender man #slenderman #the phantom tollbooth #the terrible trivium #fan theories #i had to #tho the idea was also a bit influenced by tzeentch #fan hypothesis

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#angel #good art #eerie #cool #pretty #good