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[fic: double blind] Question for Peter from the "double Tony" AU, the one with sim!Tony and cured!Tony existing simultaneously:

Does having a version of Tony that did all hose horrible things being it's own separate person make it harder or easier on you? Are you open to having some communication with the evil Tony, maybe in order to deal with the whole evil plan that he made and, yknow, all the crimes he committed, or do you just want nothing to do with him and that's it? And generally, just how do you feel in this good dad/bad dad situation?

Well… easier, because I have Dad around now too. It was… it was really hard when it was just me. And… the other one… is kind of different, now…? I'm not stupid, I don't think he's, like-- cured, but he's not just… ignoring everything I say anymore.

…I've talked to him. We do have to… figure things out, and… he won't listen to Dad at all, so-- it works better when we all talk together. Um, Dad doesn't like it, he doesn't want me to have to talk to the other one ever, but I just… if I can get through to him for real, then we're all safer, right? Like, even if he gets put in prison or whatever… I don't know, it's-- I'm afraid he'd just break out if he's not actually…

S-so anyway, yeah, I've talked to him.

#fic: double blind #au: double blind double dads #ursa interlude: #he's still afraid of SIM!Tony but not quite in the same way he was before? #like he IS very afraid of SIM finding some way to kill Tony or like being kidnapped to some secret evil lair or something #but SIM is also kinda like. pathetic in this au #just absolutely powerless in the face of a) his inability to hurt Tony and b) Peter's outright rejection of him #so Peter....... rrrrecognizes that and is kind of compelled by it even though he doesn't trust SIM at all #if there's a potential for SIM to genuinely put himself on a leash then it feels like. irresponsible NOT to try and work towards that #but he's still sussing out whether he thinks that's actually possible + dealing with his own instinctive fear of SIM and what he might do #also don't ask me what the actual situation is re: what the fuck are they doing with SIM lmao #I don't know I want them to have to be awkward roommates but obviously that's extremely contrived but it's less fun if Peter is just like #visiting SIM in prison. if I figure it out I'll actually write it but in the meantime they're in a weird timeless bubble ok

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[ynyd:tony] how often do you visit peter at college? Do his roommates know about you? How often does Peter come and visit you in nyc? Thank you!!!

He comes up to New York when he has a long weekend and for holidays, I make it down around once a month-ish. I could do more, but part of the point is making sure he has a life I'm not getting my greasy fingers all over, so.

And Ned's his only roommate; they have a place off-campus where Pete can get in and out with the Spidey suit without being spotted. What kind of boyfriend would I be if I let him keep stripping down in alleyways all over Boston?

#fic: ynyd #ynyd: tony

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[DB AU] if the Tony in this fic were cured, how would he feel about P!Peter and everything he’d done to him? Is there any part of him, however small, that would selfishly find it difficult to send him back home (not because he wants to continue abusing him, but because of the sheer fact that he’s another version of his son that he lost?)

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It would be another layer of horror on top of everything else, and he would feel extremely beholden to P!Peter to get him home and make sure he was as taken care of as possible while that was being worked out. I think there would be this… super conflicted mess of emotions where on the one hand, he wouldn't want to get close to or feel anything other than responsibility towards Peter at all, and on the other hand…

…Peter is so much like his own kid, who's dead, and who he's never actually gotten the opportunity to grieve with a clear mind since he was under Extremis's influence before. I think he would feel a strong connection to Peter despite himself, and it would be hard for him to actually manage to suppress the part of himself that wanted to see Peter with (genuine) parental affection.

(And at the same time, everything about Peter would just be this visceral reminder of the giant gaping wound in his life where his kid used to be, so it would all be underscored by grief and pain as well.)

I think it would be super hard for him to figure out how to actually… approach Peter in light of all that. Both for protecting his own heart and because SIM's whole deal was twisted paternal affection, I think his instinct would be to be… not unkind, but definitely distant? Bbbbut then on the other hand it would be so hard to watch this kid try to put on a brave face about all the trauma he suffered-- that Tony caused-- without offering some comfort or guidance, too.

SO: it would be a mess. And yes, there would be a part of Tony that found it hard to let Peter go in the end, not out of any actual desire to "keep" him but just because… that would be it, you know? The last 'good' thing in his life, his last tie to his own Peter, the last thing that gave him any kind of purpose, etc. He would be gratified to have done some teeny tiny thing to take responsibility for what he put Peter through, but he'd also be very sad.]]

#fic: double blind #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #meta

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[fic: ynyd] What does Peter think about EDITH? Has Tony now given EDITH to Peter, or is Tony still waiting until death or until a specific milestone? (Ouch, ouch, Tony, you are never allowed to die.)

What would the dynamic be between EDITH and FRIDAY and KAREN? (Or rather, would there even be a dynamic between the AI systems?)

Peter: Ugh, EDITH.

Tony: Don't talk about her like that; she'll hear you.

Peter: Look, she's fine, but she's too much lady for me.

By which I mean: she's still willed to me for now, but just because there's not like… an actual global defense taskforce on Earth at the moment. But we're working on it, so once that's in place she'll go to them instead, not as a single-user system and not as a pair of glasses.

…And a lot of the more stalker-y features have been removed.

Tony: What can I say? I have a everything-and-the-kitchen-sink approach to engineering.

#fic: ynyd #ynyd: peter #ynyd: tony #ursa interlude: #looool I have such a hard time writing around EDITH because it's NONSENSE #FFH was a fun movie but the plot is held together with silly string #but anyway: yeah no real dynamic to speak of #EDITH should theoretically not be getting any use outside of a global situation so!!

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[DB AU Tony] it seems like Peter doesn’t go to school, have you set up personal tutors for him instead so that he may continue his education?

Why would he need school? He has me. I can teach him anything he wants.

If he gets to a point where he wants to work on his own personal projects and I wouldn't have the time to supervise, sure, I could hire the necessary staff to provide mentorship or assistance. But that would be in the future-- there's no need to focus on that for now.

#fic: double blind #double blind: tony #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #if peter really pushed for it he probably could get tony to agree to get him like #virtual tutors #but tony wouldn't trust anyone with him in-person #and peter wouldn't ask for that until he was pretty well resigned to everything because #1) HE couldn't focus on education and the routine thereof while he's very preoccupied with Going Through It #2) he hates putting anyone in tony's line of sight because tony is so erratic and impulsive and he couldn't stand it if like #he mentioned one day that he was having a hard time understanding XYZ and tony murdered his tutor for doing a bad job skdjf #he probably does self-paced stuff online when he's bored/desperately needs a distraction though

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[DB AU] would it have been possible for Tony to find the original version of his universe where he didn’t kill Peter and ended up cured? If so, would he have snatched that Peter instead because he’s the closest to his own Peter? Or would he avoided it because it’s a Spidey Pete and also a more capable Tony? Also, would the fact that Peter WAS able to cure Tony make him realize that extremis really did mess with his brain or would he find some other way to rationalize that?

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Ohhhh man. He wouldn't be put off by that version of Peter being Spidey because, like, it's his actual son! Getting his actual son back is the dream, spider powers and all!

But the other Tony thing would be at least a momentary wrench. It would depend entirely on how hinged he was that day, imo-- he might think about it, do his normal self-justification dance, and then press 'go' before he even considered how receptive Peter would be to the situation after he literally Did All That to get out of a similar one, orrrr he might have the clarity to recognize that Peter would never accept the situation, especially with the confirmation that a cure was possible.

If it was the latter… he might actually cure himself? Like, try to make a version of Extremis that preserved the superpowers without the neuropsych changes, so he could make himself into a Tony that this other Peter would be happy to live with? Without fully grasping the extent to which that would change his own desires even with the other Tony as a model and that on the other side of it he wouldn't want anything about his life or even want to go Peter-snatching anymore.

Orrrr if in this process he worked himself around to even more clarity, hell, maybe he would mostly content himself with watching over Peter from a distance… with the occasional trip to the original DB universe with his eyes disguised, so he could hang out with Peter in small bursts without Peter realizing it wasn't his 'real' dad. (This could potentially work, like, twice max before Peter caught on, and only because original Tony probably also has moments where he gets really emotional and weird in light of everything that happened.)]]

#fic: double blind #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #meta

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[DB!Cured-Tony] hi! Going back to how Tony kept the EndoSym suit, is there any concern of him accidentally triggering it in his sleep in the throes of a nightmare and setting it against Peter (much like in Iron Man 3)? Tony has to know the suit is a trigger for Peter but would that make him re-evaluate his reliance on the suit?

Tony: ...I can-- I can sever its bond with me. I could go grab it and re-bond if I ever needed it, so-- yeah, I'll do that. God, that would be awful. I'd never-- I'd never want to put Peter in danger. If it came to that, I'd get rid of the suit entirely, but... if I get rid of the bond it won't even be a risk. Jesus.

#fic: double blind #double blind: tony

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[DB!SIM-Tony] say for whatever reason, JARVIS was able to circumvent Peter’s protocols and let Tony know that Spidey is his son before he does irreparable damage, how would Tony handle the situation then? Would he be able to mitigate Peter’s concerns about how heinous he is? Or after seeing the files, that was the point of no return?

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The files were the point of no return, yeah! (Well-- the mook murder in the warehouse was the point of no return, but seeing the Extremis files is what made it a deeply personal mission ("fix my dad") on top of an altruistic Spidey one.)

Even without the assault, Peter still would've been horrified by what he found, and he wouldn't have been at all receptive to it if Tony had walked in and tried to butter him up about how it was actually going to be totally great when he took over the world really! Tony really wouldn't have handled that part super differently-- he's legit delusional enough to sincerely believe that his plans are 100% justifiable/reasonable and that Peter would be on board if given enough context/time, so his approach wouldn't really change.

So the main difference is that Peter would be much more confrontational in this conversation because he wouldn't be absolutely terrified of Tony the way he was in the fic, and in general their dynamic would be more adversarial because… well, Tony would still want to confine Peter to the tower once it was obvious he was against the plan, and he would still have to physically overpower him to get a monitor band on him, so… The vibe from Tony's perspective would be much more "rebelling teenager; long-suffering parent" than the "traumatized kid; regretful parent" we got in the fic.

Other changes: Tony would not trust this more rebellious Peter with access to the lab, so Peter would have to play the long-game with re-earning his trust to have a hope of making a cure, and Peter also would not think about sex as an avenue for distracting Tony when the time came.]]

#fic: double blind #ursa interlude: #meta

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[Fic: DB-AU!] so Pyrite!Peter and other Peter defeat SIM and go back home, happily ever after, whatever, what happens to the DB-AU universe with the power vacuum?

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🤷

listen I'm only in this for icky sticky character dynamics, political worldbuilding is outside my purview

I'm sure there are a NUMBER of a little pockets of rebels out there champing at the bit to get a less tyrannical government in place, so it makes me happy to think that's what would happen instead of just an even newer worlder orderer

(this is something that I think the Peters would talk about though, but they'd both agree that solving this universe's political upheavals was not their business and kinda not like, their right to play any bigger of a role in imo!)]]

#fic: double blind #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #meta

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[DB AU] if Peter did go through with his plan to bring another Peter through the portal machine, how long would it take JARVIS to alert Tony? Or would he find a loophole to avoid having to alert Tony?

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Peter's planning process would involve finding subtle ways to test JARVIS's coding for loopholes just so he could access the actual snatching functions of the machine at all, so there would definitely be some collaborative loophole abuse involved, but once the process was actually initiated I can't imagine a loophole that would let JARVIS avoid sending an alert, haha.

In my mind Peter plays the long game and waits until Tony trusts him enough to give him access to the lab even while he's not home, and Peter would wait for some kind of opportunity where Tony was otherwise distracted outside the penthouse/ideally outside the tower (quashing an attack by rebels?) to go through with it to buy himself as much time as possible. But either way, yeah-- he's not getting tons of time to prep alt-Peter on the situation before shit goes down, lmao.

(Sidenote: in all of his egomania, SIM would be actively surprised that Peter snatched another Peter for help instead of another Tony, lmao.)]]

#fic: double blind #fic: pyrite #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #meta

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[fic: double blind] If there's not too many AU questions yet, the AU from one of the previous asks lives in my head rent free - the one where somehow (magic? probably magic) extremis!Tony and cured!Tony exist at the same time and the former realizes that Peter very much prefers the latter. So if it's ok, question for that extremis!Tony:

So what are you planning to do now, how will you go about "winning Peter back", so to speak? Will you do anything about the non-extremis-enhanced version of yourself? Will you still try to continue with your plans, or will this development cancel them/put them on hold? I'm so incredibly curious xD

I will… have to try to understand him. He doesn't… see the world the same way, and… if he can't accept my plans, in the end-- he has to come first. I… none of this is worth anything without him.

I need him to-- trust me, that I want the best for him, and… if he doesn't want what I'm offering, I'll have to-- give him what he does want instead. I can do that for him. Easily. Easily.

And when I've re-earned his trust we can revisit my plans, and I can make them new with his input-- it will be better that way. It will work. I can make it work.

#fic: double blind #au: double blind double dads #double blind: tony #ursa interlude: #he can't address the cured!Tony part because it makes him apoplectic with rage #he hates cured!Tony SO. MUCH. #but this whole AU only works if they can't kill each other because they deffo would otherwise #my thoughts are like... because the Endo-Sym suit has a psionic bond with SIM #it goes on the fritz when his brain starts to change as a result of the curing process #and then that and the curing process itself interface bizarrely/horrifically with Extremis's healing factor #trying to “fix” the “damage” that's happening #and that combo makes his body just like. reject the cured!Tony DNA and split off this whole other body. like a budding plant. #(or like that animorphs book where rachel has to expel the crocodile dna lmao) #(Peter staring in disgust/horror like. well that's not what I expected it to do) #but then anyway after that they're like same-pole magnets and can't touch each other but they still have some bullshit connection #where if one of them gets hurt it affects the other one too #so: NO FIGHTING. NO SHOOTING. NO THROWING SHARP OBJECTS #the opposite of a get-along shirt but with the same intended outcome.

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[DB-AU JARVIS] what do you make of this alternate Peter? Do you feel a similar fondness for him that you felt for the original Peter? Did you mourn your universe’s Peter? Actually, can an AI mourn someone?

I haven't come to know this Peter as well as I knew Mr. Stark's son, as Mr. Stark has disabled much of my more sociable functions. He does seem like a kind and intelligent person, and I hope his time here becomes less distressing for him as it goes on.

The Peter that I once knew is certainly missed.

#fic: double blind #fic: pyrite #double blind: jarvis #prompt: multiverse #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #we know jarvis will mildly give his opinion if something seems like a bad move for tony/his loved ones #so uh #given that SIM makes nothing but bad moves for himself and his loved ones in this au #jarvis's ability to give input/show off more of his personality has been significantly limited bc SIM got sick of hearing it #he does miss peter. his grief is very different than ours and I think very tied to... a sense of satisfaction in performing his job? #so not only was he already feeling the absence of origipeter as someone to keep track of/take care of #it's also much more satisfying to guide his users in actions/projects/etc. that are good for them because caretaking is his role #and he just doesn't get to do that anymore. #for origipete because he's gone; for p!pete because he's miserable; for tony because everything he does is awful #poor jarvis. no one is happy in this au

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I know this disrupts the traffic of DB asks (which I love btw), but [fic: ynyd]. Tony and Peter, how do you feel about potentially raising a kid together? Is this where Morgan somehow comes into play? I can't remember if Morgan was part of YNYD canon, and I'm guessing that Tony hasn't proposed to Peter yet.

Peter: Well, it's not that I don't like the idea of kids, but...

Tony: Kids might have to be off the table unless one of us invents the ability to be in two places at once.

Peter: Yeah. Both of us already have our hands really, really full between job/school stuff and superhero stuff and I know I don't want to give any of that up, and then-- I kind of feel like Clint has the right idea with keeping his family off the map, but it's not like we'd have that option, you know?

Tony: What Peter's dancing around saying is that if we had a kid, our name options may as well be 'Supervillain-Bait if it's a boy, Damsel-In-Distress if it's a girl.'

Peter: Yeahhhh. Maybe I'll feel different once I'm actually out of school and we get married and all that, but right now I just don't see it working.

Tony, quietly shooketh and delighted by Peter's casual assumption that they'll get married someday: ...Right.

#fic: ynyd #ynyd: peter #ynyd: tony

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[DB!Tony] so Peter has been super clingy with you after the cure, how would you have handled it if his reaction had gone in the opposite direction and he couldn’t stand to be around you because of the reminder you would serve of what happened?

Whatever he wanted. If he needed... if he needed to go and stay with someone else, Rhodey or Happy or someone, if he needed to get away from me and go to a boarding school, if he needed me to go live in the tower while he stayed at the house-- whatever he needed.

I'd... fuck, it would break my heart, and I'd do everything to let him know I loved him and was just following his lead, but how could I expect him to put up with me after all of that?

#fic: double blind #double blind: tony

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[db AU] so in that last ask you made a comment about how Tony doesn’t care about P!Peter’s consent which is super obvious in the fic but I’m curious how far that goes. Like Tony has obviously rationalized to himself that what he’s doing isn’t hurting Peter and Peter actually wants it. I’m wondering, if Peter like actively fought/struggled/cried would he then stop? Or would he somehow convince himself that it’s okay to keep going (though in the gentlest way possible, I sure) because he thinks Peter doesn’t really know what he wants and obviously Tony just needs to show him how good it is or some shit. (Also, totally not at all suggesting it’s Peter’s fault for “not resisting enough”, I’m just wondering if Tony in his mind would respect an active resistance or if he’d still find a way to rationalize it to get what he wants)

[[🐻ursa interlude🐻 also I hope folks have grokked that the whole "multiverse: kidnapping au" tag comes with a noncon warning but like especially here

Oh he ignores plentyyyy of crying. Poor little Petey just gets overwhelmed so easily but that doesn't mean he's not having a good time. 🥰

(He also justifies the crying as like… catharsis/stress relief? Like sometimes when you're sad it can feel good to have that intimacy of sex as a comfort. This of course ignores that the sex is why Peter gets upset in the first place, but, y'know……….. SIM,)

He also ignores light struggling-- Peter turning his face away, squirming, putting his hands on Tony's shoulders or wrist with mild pressure as cues to stop, etc.-- under his general "oh he's just nervous and needs me to 💖comfort and guide him💖 through enjoying this" justification!

But he does actually stop and goes into his whole infantilizing 'comfort' routine instead ("oh sweetheart, I know, you'll be okay, don't cry, I love you,") when Peter fights harder, but of note: this does not involve Peter actually achieving getting any space from him because Tony just holds him the whole time instead, and Tony may well just start up again after Peter's all fought out depending on the general vibes and whether he thinks it'll set Peter off again or not.

tl;dr: he won't, like, hold Peter down and force him while he fights back-- even his cognitive dissonance isn't that strong, and it's too reminiscent of what happened with his actual Peter-- but he will ignore clear signs of distress and he will put things on pause to hold Peter against him to "cuddle" until Peter's exhausted himself enough to stop fighting.]]

#fic: double blind #fic: pyrite #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #meta

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[db AU Tony] did you put P!Peter in original Peter’s room? Or did you put him in a different room so that your Peter’s room would stay untouched? Is part of the reason you kept sleeping in P!Peter’s room because your own room holds the memory of what you did to your Peter?

Who are you to speculate about my reasons? I share a room with Peter to be close to him if he needs me. His room in our original home is… untouched, and he can change things in his room at the tower however he likes.

#fic: double blind #fic: pyrite #double blind: tony #prompt: multiverse #ursa interlude: #I don't blame people for missing it/assuming bc it was just like tiny context clues but the original DBs didn't live at the tower! #Tony worked there but they had a separate home #Peter went home to check out Tony's panic room as a possible intel source bc he didn't think he could realistically break into SI itself #and yeah when Peter died Tony pretty much couldn't bear to go back #so he's been living in the tower since then and moved P!Peter into that space with him #BUT #I imagine they HAD the penthouse set up as a living space and used it off-and-on for convenience; it just wasn't their primary residence #and SIM did move P!Peter into origiPeter's bedroom AT the tower.

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[DB AU] how long has P!Peter been stuck in the DB universe by the end of the fic?

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however long you want him to be!!

Lmao more seriously-- I avoid putting hard timelines in my fics unless absolutely necessary because they're just TRAPS that end up meaning you're committed to certain writing choices, but if you want the max and min that make sense to me based solely off of vibes, idk, somewhere between 8 months and 2 years? 🤷

Any less and I don't think Peter would've reached a place internally where he could pull off the whole honeypot scheme without the deception being obvious to even this more unhinged Tony, any more and he may well have given up on the thought of escape, imo!]]

#fic: pyrite #fic: double blind #multiverse: kidnapping au #ursa interlude: #meta