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cells-n-stuff · 9 months

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More elden ring lore!

Thoughts on Vyke, Shabriri, and finger-maidens

So! I've been playing elden ring and going for the frenzied flame ending. Since it is a soulsborne game, I've also been watching hours of lore vids. They've got me back in my basement with my tin-foil hat on, thinking about different interpretations.

So, Vyke! Imo he couldn't have become the lord of frenzied flame.

For us to become the LoFF, we still sacrifice a finger maiden, which is Hyetta. Vyke's maiden was probably already dead when he returned from the shunning grounds. There is also the chance that he wouldn't have sacrificed her anyway.

Since we don't know how he ends up in the evergaol, my theory is that Shabriri tricked him (again) and imprisoned him there. Since he can no longer become the LoFF. Also, he's tarnished and may come back if killed, so trapping him is the safer option.

NEXT, Shabriri. Who/what is he?

Well, I have another post explaining why I think that Shabriri might be a title granted to the "chosen champion" of the frenzied flame/three fingers. And the similarities to the abrahamic Satan. So check that out if you want.

But another theory I've seen getting kicked around that I want to add to is that he was a part of the great caravan.

The most accepted theory about who he is, is that he was a man who slandered the great caravan, which led to them being imprisoned under shunning ground. Which is fine, I guess, but it lacks the old razzle-dazzle for me.

What if the 'slander' bit was a lie. What we know in-game about Shabriri comes from the Golden order. So if it is just propaganda against those who were already judged to be heretics, that adds a little spice imo.

Circling back to the great caravan, I believe that while they originally didn't worship the three-fingers/frenzied flame, they did not worship the golden order. What if Shabriri was the leader of the caravan, and the golden order wanted to make an example of these 'heretics', lied that he slandered something and blinded him, he and the great caravan were then imprisoned. Through suffering and loss, he became mad and was blessed with the frenzied flame.

Now, I'm dabbling in cut content, but Kale was going to have a quest surrounding the great caravan. One of his lines is, "They think that we worshiped the three-fingers?! That we brought the maddening sickness upon them?! Well, if that's what they expect from us, then that's what they shall get from us!"

So what if Shabriri was falsely accused ,that he was originally never a liar/slander.

"What about Shabriri tricking and lying to Vyke and us?!" I hear you cry from the rafters! Well, he is a liar now. He became what the world expected him to be.

We know with relative certainty that he lied to Vyke about saving his finger-maiden. He most likely did the same to us. But I think he lied to us in a tricky way.

Finger-maidens.

So, Shabriri tells us that it's not fair and that shouldn't we save a maiden rather than to sacrifice her. When he talks to us, we assume he's talking about Melina. But, from my understanding, she is not a true finger-maiden. She is only acting the part. Our true maiden (in the FF ending) is Hyetta. So, while Shabriri does lie and trick us, we end up burning a maiden anyway.

I suppose that you don't have to finish Hyetta's quest to get the frenzied flame ending, but imo it makes more sense to do them together. It makes sense to me (in a lore perspective, not gameplay), that to become LoFF, you have to truly understand what loss is. What better way do to that than having the player kill their own maiden. (This is why I think Vyke couldn't have become LoFF. His maiden was killed by someone/something else. Not him.) The other endings, Melina sacrifices herself with the giants flame.

But Hyetta is killed by YOU and YOUR flame.

Note: All of this is for fun, and honestly, I don't think that Miyazaki or G.R.R.M knows what the lore is anymore. And I've learned that I have way to much time on my hands....

*me stuck in another soulsborne lore loop

#elden ring lore #elden ring #frenzied flame #shabriri #vyke the dragonspear #lightseeker hyetta #melina

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cells-n-stuff · 9 months

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Let's talk elden ring lore.

Theories about Shabriri and the frenzied flame.

So something l've noticed and been thinking about is the potential similarities or comparisons of Shabriri and the abrahamic Lucifer.

Stay with me, I swear it makes a little bit of sense!

So, in abrahamic religions, it is often mistakenly said that Satan's angelic name is Lucifer. Which, surprise, originated from a translation difference. When actuality, Lucifer

is more of a title rather than a name. The best translation is "light-bringer" in latin. Which was translated from the Hebrew word Helel, which again has different translations, one being "to howl"

Like the howl of Shabriri.

Also, Hyetta's title is "lightseeker Hyetta". Light-bringer and light-seeker.

Anyways, so what if Shabriri is not a name but more of a title. It's not one guy named Shabriri, but a title granted by the frenzied flames to those who personifies chaos. I do know that Shabriri is a demon (of blindness) in Jewish mythology, but stay with me. Since the elden ring lore doesn't really match with the Jewish interpretation (at least from my understanding, if anyone knows more, I would like to read it!), and it seems like they just share a name based in the blindness and eyes thing.

Another comparison between the story of Satan and Shabriri is that they are essentially the big, bad, evil guy to their respective religions. In the mythos of the golden order, Shabriri was a liar who had his eyes gouge out for his crime, and with that, the 'evil' frenzied flame was created. Just like everything 'evil' is created by Satan. Not the gods or followers' fault, but one person that every sin can be blamed on. Also, both are a creation of their respective deities.

Final thought about my conspiracy theory is about the similarities between Hyetta and Eve. Eve is tempted by Satan to eat a forbidden fruit. He did so in 3 ways, attacking gods' wisdom, words, and character before Eve ate the fruit.

For us to get the frenzied flame ending, (*To finishe Hyetta's quest), we have to feed Hyetta 3 "grapes" and finally the fingerprint grape to finish it off.

Not to mention that to cleanse the lands between, it the frenzied FLAME, and in the bible mentions a few times the the earth will be cleansed by fire.

There it is, and thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Note: I'm not a theist, nor am I in any way rligious, just someone who had to study the bible as a kid so if anyone has corrections or anything to add, I am excited to read it!

Also, this is all in good fun. We all know that soulsborne lore is convoluted, and most of the time, it is left up to interpretation

*Amendment: you don't have to complete Hyetta's quest to get the FF ending, but I am kinda judging you if you don't.

#frenzied flame #elden ring #shabriri #elden ring lore #tin foil hat

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