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Damn, TWO stupid posts?

"Blake of Vol 1 was outspoken, feisty, fiery, and didn't hesitate to call Weiss on her racism."

Yeah, only when it was safe for her to do so. Cardin yanks on Velvet's ears and what does Blake do? Nothing. What does she do when she accidentally reveals she was part of the WF to WBY? She runs away. She was only ever willing to call someone out when it was safe for her to do so, which works with her character trait of being fearful.

She served them good, when serving them was easy.

"Blake of Vol 9 is meek, doesn't speak up for herself, and needs Yang to "protect" her from Ruby's (justified!!) anger. (Yang's total and utterly disgusting dismissal of Ruby's pain is another can of worms I won't get into in this post)."

First off, Yang isn't protecting Blake and Blake doesn't need Yang's protection lmfao. Yang is trying to get Ruby's attention, not protect Blake. She knows Blake isn't in danger, Blake knows it too, Blake also knows that Yang is the better one to try and defuse Ruby's breakdown, so she lets her do that.

Ruby's anger is based on "fuck you for not asking me if I'm depressed despite the fact that you did and I made it as hard as possible for you to help me" so nah it's really not justified.

"Yes, Blake was a dick to Sun in V5; however, I found that to be way more realistic of an abuse victim (lashing out at others, that kind of thing) than how she is now. At least she had a personality and actual flaws then!"

Abuse victims heal, Blake isn't always going to be lashing out at people like that.

"Blake of Vol 9 shirks away from Ruby instead of trying to help her; unlike Blake of Vol 6, who didn't hesitate to comfort Weiss after dealing with the Apathy."

Yeah, cause Yang has known Ruby for practically her entire life and is trying to defuse the situation. Also... Blake DOES try to help Ruby! Right at the end of her breakdown!

Blake: Guys, I know things are bad, but--

Ruby: Shut... Up...

Ruby: Don't... do that... Just don't...

And, as expected, Ruby brushes it off. Like she's been doing the entire volume.

"Blake of the previous volumes wouldn't have just rolled over and accepted Ruby's suicide. She would have fought tooth and nail to keep Ruby safe and at least TRY to help her."

Literally what can you do other than accept it? You can't undo suicide. That's permanent. Even in RWBY's case it's not something they could conceivably do. Ruby's tree statue is there but tampering with that could have god knows how many disastrous consequences. There's a chance she'll come back, so tampering with it is definitely not a good decision.

And if you're talking about Blake not comforting Ruby... She absolutely does, as I've already outlined above. She even tries to get the team to stop hyperfocusing on getting home.

Blake: Maybe we shouldn't worry about home right now. We got enough problems to--

V9C4, A Cat Most Curious

"Blake of the previous volumes was much more realistic and now she's just a vessel for CRWBY to make her into an uwu cutesy sapphic catgirl uwu. Don't worry about how shitty she's been written, how her personality has been warped to being the meek little gf to Yang, look at her cute cat ears moving! (Which is especially egregious considering, y'know, the persecution of her entire fucking race is a major catalyst for the show.)"

Blake is absolutely not just Yang's GF. Volume 7 she's the one who tells Robyn about Amity and stands her ground against the Ace-Ops and Ironwood's decision to abandon Mantle, even calling out the two of them for completely abandoning their job to protect Mantle.

Volume 8 she does get sidelined very hard but that's not due to Bumbleby, she hardly interacts with Yang the entire volume due to them being completely separated. Hell, she talks more to Ruby than she does to Yang in Volume 8, Yang isn't the problem here.

Volume 9 she picks up the slack of leadership since Ruby is not doing too great, functions as a guide for RWBY throughout the Ever After, attempts to comfort Ruby... all of that. So yeah, no, she's not just Yang's GF lmfao.

I don't think cat ears moving is egregious or racist. I really don't.

Anyone onto undiagnosed-autism uncaught-coolfish's even worse post.

"The trope in which an abuse victim is regulated as fodder for OTHER CHARACTER’S development is one I find absolutely abhorrent."

She is not. Like, objectively, that doesn't happen with Blake. Also, it's relegated. Relegated. Not regulated. Blake's abuse is entirely her own arc, that she overcomes with the help of others. It's still HER ARC. She's not fodder for anyone's arc at any point in RWBY.

"And it’s fucking everywhere."

Not in RWBY, it isn't.

"The fictional victim is stripped of any and all agency in nearly every situation, no matter how mundane, so that other characters can “protect, nurture, SAVE” them. It’s what happened to Blake. In what could’ve been a seriously impactful moment for her, it was instead turned into her basically getting clutched by Yang."

Yang is Ruby's sister. Blake knows this. Yang is trying to defuse the situation. Between a friend that's known someone for a few years, and someone's sister that's known them for literally their entire life, who is better to defuse the situation?

And hell, even when that does fail, Blake DOES try to help Ruby. She DOES try to console her, as I've already cited above. But that doesn't fit into your narrative, does it? Guess you've just gotta pretend like it's not even there.

"And then she became Yang’s cute meek side piece, whose development has remained fucking STAGNANT since volume 6."

Already explained how that's wrong.

"Fuck even outside of Blake this show has never handled a character being a victim of abuse well. Any character that just SLIGHTLY tiptoed out of the “cute needy palatable” box are villains."

I assume the characters you're referring to that slightly tiptoe out of the "cute needy palatable" box are the other abuse victims that are villains, like Adam and Cinder.

I don't think child murder and attempted genocide is a slight tiptoe out of the "cute needy palatable" box, but you can believe what you want.

"Anyone else? Either their abuse is delegitimized or they’re written just like Blake was."

This also doesn't happen. Take Whitley for example, his abuse isn't delegitimized, hell, he's not even held accountable for the kinda shitty thing he did since he did it because he was being abused. He's treated with a ton of care.

And Blake isn't a poorly written abuse victim.

"Stop infantilizing abuse victims, you fucking weirdos."

Again, this doesn't happen in RWBY.

man. the more I think of it, the more I'm sad about what happened to Blake. More accurately, her personality.

Blake gets touted as "a realistic depiction of an abuse victim who healed" but honestly. She's completely transformed into the opposite.

Blake of Vol 1 was outspoken, feisty, fiery, and didn't hesitate to call Weiss on her racism. Blake of Vol 9 is meek, doesn't speak up for herself, and needs Yang to "protect" her from Ruby's (justified!!) anger. (Yang's total and utterly disgusting dismissal of Ruby's pain is another can of worms I won't get into in this post).

Yes, Blake was a dick to Sun in V5; however, I found that to be way more realistic of an abuse victim (lashing out at others, that kind of thing) than how she is now. At least she had a personality and actual flaws then!

Blake of Vol 9 shirks away from Ruby instead of trying to help her; unlike Blake of Vol 6, who didn't hesitate to comfort Weiss after dealing with the Apathy. Blake of the previous volumes wouldn't have just rolled over and accepted Ruby's suicide. She would have fought tooth and nail to keep Ruby safe and at least TRY to help her. Blake of the previous volumes was much more realistic and now she's just a vessel for CRWBY to make her into an uwu cutesy sapphic catgirl uwu. Don't worry about how shitty she's been written, how her personality has been warped to being the meek little gf to Yang, look at her cute cat ears moving! (Which is especially egregious considering, y'know, the persecution of her entire fucking race is a major catalyst for the show.)

Anyway. Blake, I'm so sorry what CRWBY did to you. You deserve so much better.

#anti rwde

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goldsrc-hl1 · 5 months

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Oscar is... kinda boring, how could he be made more interesting?

Pretty basic title, self explanatory. I don't dislike him or really think he's poorly written, it's just that I don't think he's super interesting beyond being Ozpin.

#rwde

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goldsrc-hl1 · 5 months

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Fuck Rooster Teeth so much

Over the past few weeks I've learned so much more about Rooster Teeth and holy fuck, even CRWBY, who I at least thought were somewhat better, are also fucking scumbags.

I love RWBY, it's a phenomenal show, but the people who make it are terrible. At this point, the only way I'm going to watch Volume 10 is if it's made by a different studio or if RT fucking cleans up their act.

#rwde

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Wholeheartedly agree

I love this show but holy shit, in recent weeks I've learned more and more about RT itself and they are a terrible company to the point that I don't think I'll bother watching Volume 10 unless it's made by a different studio as well.

Fuck rooster teeth

So Fuck Rooster Teeth

Lets be real here, they want you to work for them for free. They already shit-caned the majority of the animation team they had working for them, they can't afford to advertise Rwby anymore without tacking the ad for their fucking crossover movie to the end of the last episode of the season. They had to damn near kickstart the JNPR plush set.

Oh I'm sorry, Did I say "Damn near" They absolutely are running a pseudo Kickstarter to sell merch that issn't a fucking cheep as shit shirt with a Jpeg ironed on to it.

At this point, I am so far against the idea of "Greenlighting V10" it's not even funny. Not because I don't want to see a V10, but because at this point the company is clearly so fucking broke that shit is going to be produced by Child AI's in a Chinese sweatshop. You wouldn't think that RT could even sweatshop some fucking Stable Diffusion AI thing, But RT issn't going to let something like "Non Corporeal existence" stop them from finding a way to abuse the shit out of their virtual staff just like they have a history of abusing their real staff.

"Thanks for the Kickstarter money to fund V10 bitches" - RT when they drop a whole volume of the ugliest fucking shit they could make with the budget of your average flash video from the early 2000's

Seriously, You all are begging RT to greenlight the next season of Rwby while they are standing in front of you, and all your hard work as fans to prop up the IP with their dicks out and telling you to blow them and give them your hard work for free.

Fuck these guys, we know how they treated their LGBT staff. We saw how hard they had crunched their staff for Literal years, we all read the stories from former staffers and read the glass door reviews showing how absolutely crap they were to work for.

At this stage in the game, the only way I'm going to accept a V10, is in the hands of a completely different studio not owned or operated by anyone connected to RT.

#rwde #fuck rooster teeth

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"Well, well, well. If it isn't the Miles Luna dick sucker trying to gaslight people the White Fang was not based off the Civil rights movement."

First off, I don't like Miles Luna. Dude is a scumbag. Literally tweeted the N word. Not a good person. I like the show, not the people behind the show.

And if you'd actually listen to what I say, you'd know that when I say the White Fang isn't based off the Civil Rights movement, you'd know I'm referring to Adam's White Fang exclusively. Which is definitely not based off the Civil Rights movement. The concept of inequality and fighting in the name of it is absolutely inspired by the American Civil Rights movement, 100%, but Adam Taurus? Nah, he's completely separate. No civil rights movement has had the goal of revenge and supremacy in the United States, at least to my knowledge.

"I don't know if you've been living under a rock for the past few months, but I recall you have a Twitter and are part of the Rwby fandom there. I can guarantee you have taken notice of every rwby post since May of 2023 having #greenlightvolume10 in a sad attempt to get the tag trending so big daddy Warner Bros would hopefully notice. You and the rest of the stans can do all the Olympic style gymnastics you want trying to convince yourselves and everyone else that RT and your faves in the upper crust of crwby are separate, but it will never be true."

Not anymore, I don't. I didn't know how terrible CRWBY was until only a few months ago. They suck. I don't like them. At least, I don't like most of them. There's a few there that I've yet to hear bad stuff about.

I like the show they make though. Nothing wrong with supporting a show you like.

"Your best buddy Miles Luna may not work under RT as an employee anymore, but Kerry Shawcross sure as hell does. Does that mean he has to go? Im gonna bet you'd say no because"hes one of the good ones" as if you know him personally enough to vouch for him (which you don't)."

Nah, apparently he sucks from what I've heard. Unfortunately he's been there since day one, so removing him would definitely be felt. Ideally, he changes himself up and becomes a better person.

If that doesn't happen, fire his ass.

"Putting #greenlightvolume10 in every tweet tangentially related to rwby won't magically make RT disappear from the production. If you want volume 10 to happen, it has to happen through them unless someone buys the Rwby IP. But fat chance of that happening. There's no way RT would want to let go of their precious cash cow, even if it's drying up. And no, Crunchy Roll didn't buy rwby, they bought the rights to stream vol 9."

Yes, I am aware. Did you know that by buying literally anything, chances are you're supporting a corporation that violates human rights daily? Cause you probably are. It's unironically unavoidable.

If RWBY was bought by a different company that'd be fuckin awesome, but I know it won't happen. I really wish it would, but it won't.

I do not support RT or like the people who write RWBY. I like RWBY. That's the difference.

"By tweeting #greenlightvol10, you're showing you want more rwby content no matter what. Even if it means it's at the expense of a new team of freelance animators fresh from college that will be exploited. But you don't care because you won't have to see them. They're not the celebrities you simp for."

They're gonna get exploited no matter what. That's how this country works. No company is gonna look at freelance animators and not exploit them.

Only way to not contribute to the exploitation of workers in 99% of cases is straight up to just not buy anything.

Once again, I don't support Rooster Teeth or CRWBY. I don't like any of them. I do like RWBY, as well as other products Rooster Teeth makes such as Red vs. Blue.

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goldsrc-hl1 · 6 months

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Literally no one is like this

Like unironically, not exaggerating or anything, I've seen like 4 people that act like this.

Most RWBY fans hate Rooster Teeth and work place abuse.

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"My god, you are exhausting."

If you don't want to argue over something, don't bring it up in the first place.

"At this point, you can stay as ignorant as you want. It doesn’t matter."

The only ignorant one here is you.

"You can continue defending this racist ass plot line and continue believe that minorities need to prove themselves."

This was literally never about minorities proving themselves. No one needs to prove that they're worthy of rights, that's not how racism works. The people at the top, the ones behind the systemic racism, don't CARE if you're actually equal or not. They only care about the fact that they can exploit you. Whether or not you're inferior or not is irrelevant, they can make people believe you are inferior, and that allows them to get away with exploitation.

What this is about is stopping the spread of racism to people who previously weren't racist. That's what this is about. It's about stopping Adam from spreading more and more hate.

That is not racist.

"You can continue not knowing what stereotypes are and how they work and how they’re created."

I absolutely know both of these. Adam isn't a real world racist stereotype, by the way. Adam is a terrible person because humans abused him and exploited him. Racist stereotypes portray black people as being terrible people simply because they are black - they portray it as natural for them.

"And you can continue believing that focusing a racism plot line on how the minorities are reacting in the wrong way as progressive and not at all racist."

Believing that racial genocide is not a good response to racism isn't racist. That's just normal. That's what any normal, sane person would think.

"It doesn’t even matter. It’s very clear you’re plugging your ears because you want to defend this show so badly. Go ahead."

It doesn't even matter. It's very clear you're plugging your ears because you want to hate this show so badly. Go ahead.

The fact that a subplot about racism, in which the writers decided that the racists aren’t the actual bad guys it’s actuallythe oppressed minority that’s actually the bad guys, is being defended by rwby Stans in scary.

#anti rwde

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"LMdao means laughing my damn ass off. With the way you try to act smart I would have assumed you would come to that conclusion. Also, it’s cute that that you’re trying to say it’s an unwarranted assumption when you literally tried to claim I can’t spell because one letter was off. But hey, you’re not the brightest."

Fool me once, shame on me.

"But because it’s clear that you don’t know how writing works and you want to defend your favorite show from being racists because you don’t want to come off as racists even though… you know. Let me use real world because it seems like you’re not getting it."

Guarantee you're gonna completely miss the point.

"Would you have told Muslims, that in order for the USA to not be racists and Islamophobic toward them, that they need to join the army to fight against isis? Would you tell a Muslim that they are now responsible for making sure that people aren’t attacking them and that they have to explain to people not to be racists and islamophobic towards them and that to prove it, they have to join the army?"

No.

They do not and should not have to put their lives on the line to prove Islamophobic rhetoric wrong. The threat level of Adam in RWBY is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the threat level of ISIS. The two aren't even comparable. What I'd say instead is that publicly disavowing ISIS could help.

I'd also like to make it abundantly clear that I hate that this is what has to be done. It should not be the responsibility of the oppressed to educate the oppressors. Period. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the oppressors aren't going to educate themselves. So, instead, the responsibility does fall upon the oppressed to force the oppressors to see that they are wrong. It fucking sucks that it's that way, but it's not gonna change.

The same logic applies for fighting for your rights in general. It should not be the responsibility of the oppressed to get their rights. The oppressors should give the oppressed their rights, since they deserve it. Unfortunately, we live in a world where that is not the case, and instead, the oppressed must fight for their rights.

Just as the oppressed must do all that they can to stop the spread of racism.

"Would you told the black panthers that they need to stop doing what they’re doing, because the white media is spreading false news about them? That they have to stop because it’s making black people look bad? Would you have said that?"

No, that's not even comparable. Black Panthers weren't going on a revenge quest against whites. They didn't want reverse racism, they wanted equality. Adam is not doing that. Adam does want reverse racism, and wants revenge.

In this case, I'd say the Black Panthers should continue doing what they're doing to fight for equality, while also doing their best to fight back against lies.

"Would you have told the natives, that in order to not be seen as savages, they had to present themselves like the Europeans? They had to speak English and live like they do?"

No, cause that's not comparable to Adam in RWBY. Adam is a racist stereotype. A living, breathing, racist stereotype. Native Americans were not living breathing racist stereotypes.

"Because that’s what RWBY is doing. You’re trying to excuse the way the story is written, because you fully believe that minorities are responsible for making sure that people aren’t racists towards them. You’re excusing the fact that the series isn’t saying that the racists are the enemies, that racism is bad. Instead you’re excusing the fact that the series wants to say that it’s bad to react to racism in a certain way, and that the best way to respond to racism, is to fight back against the bad minorities who are making you look bad."

I've already explained why that's not at all the case... three times.

Adam, as mentioned above, is a living, breathing racist stereotype. Black Panthers and Native Americans are not. They have no reason to fight back against a living, breathing racist stereotype, because there is none.

And, if there is, I'd say yeah, they should disavow those people. Any sane person would.

ISIS is a bit more leaning into being a living racist stereotype but I wouldn't say Muslims should fight them. That's endangering their lives. Taking down Adam at Haven was SIGNIFICANTLY less dangerous. Instead, publicly disavowing ISIS could help.

Which is essentially what RWBY did, just with a bit more violence.

I do fully believe that minorities are responsible for making sure that people aren't racist towards them. That may sound extremely racist, but if you look at it realistically, that's just how it is.

The oppressors SHOULD be responsible for making sure that people aren't racist towards the oppressed.

That is how it SHOULD be.

That is not how it IS.

The oppressors are NOT going to do that. They're not gonna suddenly stop being racist and put in a ton of effort into making sure no one else is racist. Despite how wrong it is, and how much I personally hate it, the responsibility falls onto the oppressed to ensure that people aren't racist towards them.

And this doesn't just apply to disavowing bad people, this applies to the entire fight against racism. The oppressed have to make sure people aren't racist towards them, and if using force is necessary in order to make people afraid to be racist, so be it.

Just because it shouldn't be their responsibility doesn't change the fact that it is. Not doing anything about racism simply because "well it shouldn't be my responsibility" is complacency.

Anyway

The racists are still enemies in the Faunus plotline. Bear in mind that the entire reason they want to get rid of Adam is to stop racists from generalizing with him. The enemy is still the racists who are generalizing. The show portrays these racists as wrong for generalizing. The racists are wrong, and they are enemies.

The "reaction to racism in a certain way" you're referring to is literally genocide. Hell, as mentioned earlier, it's not even about fighting back against racism for Adam, it's about fighting back against humanity as a whole.

The show blatantly says that this is not the best way to fight back against racism. In fact, it blatantly says it doesn't have a solution to racism.

Blake: You have to understand that all of you are looking for simple answers to a very complicated problem. And I can't give that to you. I don't know how to make hate go away, I don't. But I know that this kind of violence is not the solution.

"Otherwise how come Adam is the only enemy in that entire storyline? How come the story doesn’t focus on the actual racists and the actions of actual racists? The most we’ve known that racists did, was move all the Faunus to another place and brand adams eye. Other than that, we know absolutely nothing about how racism works in this series or what it looks like. No other Faunus has a brand except for Adam, so it seems he was the exception not the rule. The Faunus seem to okay moving in manegerie and have no plans on moving back. They don’t have issues with resources or anything."

Adam is not the only enemy of the entire storyline. The racists that are using him to generalize are also enemies.

Also, you're completely wrong about saying that the most we know that racists have done is brand Adam and move the Faunus to Menagerie.

Adam short has a lynch squad trying to murder a bunch of Faunus, we see police bias in Volume 1 when they immediately assume it was the White Fang that robbed the dust shop despite Roman Torchwick going around robbing dust shops without even disguising himself, racial bullying as seen with Cordovin, Cardin, drunk guy in Mantle, and the shovel grandma also in Mantle, literal brandings (Adam's brand, it shows that faunus are so dehumanized that branding, something that is done to property and livestock, is a thing that actually happens), Ilia's backstory has her classmates laughing about a bunch of Faunus dying in a mine (once again shows how dehumanized they are, faunus dying is seen as a laughing matter), explicitly stated racism (multiple times, too much to list), racial segregation / gated communities (no faunus signs and all the Faunus living in the crater in Mantle), Menagerie being a MASSIVE example of racial segregation

All of that is racism, all of it is directed at the Faunus.

We know PLENTY about how racism works in this series. You're just too stupid to see it.

The Faunus aren't moving from Menagerie cause they don't have to suffer at the hands of racism there. They very clearly do have an overpopulation problem, but no confirmed resource problems.

No confirmed.

That does not mean they are not there, do not assume.

We do see plenty of Faunus on Faunus violence on Menagerie, so it's clear that it's not some island paradise, either.

"So pray tell, how come the plot decided that they want to focus on how not to respond to racism, instead of actually dealing with the racism and the racists?"

Because how not to respond to racism is still valuable information. It also does show how to actually deal with racism, or at least one way to help prevent the spread of it to people who previously weren't racist. It's not a perfect solution, but it's something. Anything.

"Is it because they want to spread a message about violence being bad?"

Clearly not. Ghira literally uses violence to take down Adam. That's not even on the table for any messaging. If they wanted to spread a message about violence being bad... they would've actually spread a message about violence being bad. It's really that simple.

"That smells of propaganda to me."

Literally any political message in fiction is propaganda. Propaganda isn't inherently bad, it depends on what the message of the propaganda is.

"You can’t use sienna because they don’t show sienna doing anything in the entire series."

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They objectively do. Right in the Adam Short.

"we don’t know what worked with her, because they never showed us how things were before her."

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Wrong again.

"What did she change? We don’t know, because the series never showed or explored it"

Even without blatantly showing you the puzzle pieces you need to put it together, I'll show you the part of the show where it blatantly tells you what she fixed.

Blake: Of course, despite being promised equality, the Faunus were subjected to discrimination and hate. Humanity still thought of us as lesser beings. And so, the White Fang rose up as a voice of our people. And I was there.

Blake: I was at the front of every rally. I took part in every boycott. I actually thought we were making a difference. But I was just a youthful optimist.

Blake: Then, five years ago, our leader stepped down, and a new one took his place. A new leader, with a new way of thinking.

Blake: Suddenly, our peaceful protests were being replaced with organized attacks. We were setting fire to shops that refused to serve us, hijacking cargo from companies that used Faunus labor. And the worst part was, it was working. We were being treated like equals. But not out of respect... out of fear.

Faunus were still subjected to discrimination and hate, and Sienna made people afraid, so they stopped doing that.

"What did Adam make worse? We don’t know because the series never explored or showed this?"

The show blatantly says that Adam is causing people to generalize the Faunus.

"You keep wanting to bring her up, but give me an example in the series about what she did that was positive? If you can’t give me an example then it means the series failed at telling a narrative."

As listed above. Sienna got people to be afraid of the Faunus so they started treating them equally.

"Give me an example of what Adam made worse? If you can’t it means the series failed at telling a narrative."

Killing Sienna and taking control of the White Fang made generalizing the White Fang using Adam Taurus even easier.

"They want you to think Adam is bad just because he’s bad"

Then why dedicate an entire short to showing how he became bad?

#anti rwde #Youtube

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"The Main rule of writing, is literally show don’t tell. If your excuse is they said it worked and didn’t show us it working."

The fact that we don't see much racism in places like Vale and Mistral is proof that it is working.

"You also don’t know what nuance is if your rgument is that they told us it worked, and then you’re arguing that Adam was radicalized and the main point of the entire plot is that radicalization is bad and absolutely nothing else."

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No one is arguing that. You are, once again, strawmanning both the show and my argument and attacking it. That is a logical fallacy. You are losing credibility here even faster. I recommend you learn what logical fallacies are so that you can avoid them in the future.

The point of the plot is that Adam is generating more hate for the Faunus, and the Faunus have to stop him from doing that. That's the main message. Not that radicalization is bad 100% of the time. Radicalization, when it goes as far as Adam was taking it, is absolutely bad. But Sienna? She's absolutely a radical, yet she's never villainized or even criticized. She's just there, and it's up to the viewer to decide if she was justified or not.

"That’s not nuance. That’s not how it works. Lmfao."

Yeah, cause you strawmanned the entire message to the point that there was no nuance anymore. That's on you for literally making up the message.

"If they are straight up telling you one thing and one thing only, there’s no nuanced to it. They’re not exploring anything at all for that to be a nuanced take. Because the only enemies in that entire plot line is the Faunus."

They are not even telling you that. You are, once again, strawmanning the entire show's point regarding the White Fang plotline and then attacking your made up version of what the show is arguing.

Seriously, that's not something you should do in ANY discussion. It makes you lose credibility FAST and shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Which, I mean, we all already knew, but still.

"Adam was part of all of that. Adam was doing all of that. He was the main focus and the main point of that, because once again and I have no idea why you’re not understanding this, Adam is the only relevant Faunus in the entire Faunus plot."

I'm not understanding this cause it's just blatantly incorrect. Blake, Ilia, Ghira, Corsac, Fennec, and Sun are all Faunus characters other than Adam that are relevant to the Faunus plotline. Adam is the main issue, yes, but he's not the only thing in the plotline.

Sauron may be the main problem of Lord of the Rings but he sure as fuck isn't the only relevant character lmfao.

"Sienna was introduced and then died. You can erase her from the entirety of the plot and nothing changes because the plot line didn’t need her and she added nothing to it. She’s not even the reason Adam is doing what he’s doing in the series, because the attack on beacon was because of CINDER and not because of Adam."

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Watch it. Sienna is the reason Adam became so radical. She unintentionally contributed to his massive hero complex and fall to villainy. Without her, Adam wouldn't be the way he is.

Adam attacks Beacon cause Cinder makes him and because he just wants to. It's not Cinder that made Adam hate humans, it was the SDC that made Adam hate humans. Cinder might've led the attack, but she also delivered a massive victory to Adam on a silver platter, and since Adam isn't stupid and won't let his hatred for humans blind his judgement, he takes the offer.

"So what you’re saying, is that sienna was wrong and that she radicalized Adam and if it wasn’t for sienna that Adam wouldn’t have turned out the way he did. So you’re literally saying sienna was wrong and that her way was wrong."

This is another strawman.

Sienna ACCIDENTALLY radicalized Adam. She did so by calling him a hero for his violent actions, which causes him to develop his hero complex that feeds into his ego. What she did in and of itself isn't a problem, it was just that she did it to the wrong person.

If you REALLY want to take a contrarian stance on this, then RWBY is against glorifying violence. Sienna is never criticized for being violent, but through the subtext it's shown that being so nonchalant about violence is bad. That's fine. You should always acknowledge that it is a tragedy that you must resort to violence.

Not me, nor the show, said that Sienna's way was wrong and that she was wrong. She was wrong to lionize Adam, but other than that? The show really doesn't take a stance on her. She's there, and the viewer makes up their mind on whether or not she was justified. It just so happens that I do think she was justified in using violence where it was necessary.

"So you’re blaming the ignorance of others on the fact that minorities are fighting back.. that’s racism 101. That’s how racism works. That is what we call propaganda."

Adam is not fighting back against racism. He's fighting back against all of humanity in a revenge quest. If all racism suddenly disappeared, Adam would keep killing.

Honestly, I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying that racism is justified due to Adam, I'm saying that people will use Adam as a justification for racism. I do not agree with the justification.

Correct, that is propaganda. That is the problem. People are pointing at Adam and generalizing all the Faunus as being like him, which is racist propaganda. I am not saying that racist propaganda is justified. I am saying that it exists, and the show provides a potential solution to the spread of racist propaganda.

"You are literally spouting racist rhetoric, and the fact that you don’t see it is as racists tell me that your yourself are completely ignorant and don’t know how it works or what it looks like. Because what you’re saying is racist. Point blank. Educate yourself because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. In fact, we’re seeing that propaganda now. I hope you’re paying attention."

It is racist. Generalizing the entire Faunus population by using Adam as anti-Faunus propaganda is racist. That is the rhetoric that the racists, in the show, are using. I do not agree with that rhetoric. The show does not agree with that rhetoric either. Instead, the show is actually fighting back against that rhetoric by pointing out how you can stop that rhetoric from spreading.

At this point you're calling the show racist for accurately portraying racism lmfao

"Nah, you clearly do think that way. Because your entire basis and your logic align a with that sentiment. Because you are that ignorant

Also, lmdao, the fact that you think typos don’t exists makes sense."

Unwarranted assumption, another logical fallacy. Also guilt by association, to an extent, which is another logical fallacy.

I absolutely adore the fact that you couldn't even be bothered to spell "lmfao" correct in the sentence about typos. That's so adorable.

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