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I wish I could reach out more people in my local area with system stuff online/offline, without having to be feared of privacy and whatnot problem. Most people here still knows 0 about dissociation disorder or even some (what I would count as) basic mental health knowledge.
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I think both can happen at the same time, meaning the intrusive thoughts/actions are from an alter's sudden gaining control of the said thought/actions.
plural and intrusive thought having (?) culture is not being able to tell if what you're perceiving is an intrusive thought or if a headmate is just being really mean :[
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When you rise your head and "wake up" but the body never really slept, feels like you just woke up but remembers that you didn't actually sleep and remembers things happened/how you get there, but still feels like those experiences are somewhat distinct that happened like in a dream...
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got this sent to me. starts bawling my eyes out. reblog if any if your headmates are freaky..... im so freaky. this is me. -> 🕺
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Pulling Strings in your Veins: A Post on Switch-Induced Effects
'So, you're telling me switches can have unexpected effects beyond their intended purpose? Why would there be effects to the physical body when it is just some mechanism??'
Well, yeah i am! And it seems to happen to a portion of us despite not knowing why. It does sound confusing, like how we often view the appendix as a seemingly useless organ, but.. did you know that the appendix actually serves as a safe place for good gut bacteria during infections? Then, maybe we can start to think that these effects are not meaningless/random and have another mechanism/reason behind it?
What the Jerk?!
For those who don't know, jerk/twitches can be defined in this quote:
"A muscle twitch is a short contraction that sometimes occurs repeatedly − think eye twitching. Such movement can be uncomfortable and inconvenient, but it isn't usually painful." From USA Today
In general means, twitches can happen from nutrient deficiencies/dehydration (some minerals helps muscle contract and loosen), not getting enough rest, stress, too much coffee, or due to neurological conditions. It also can vary from being subtle like a nudge, to strong as in it can be visually observed too!
When these contractions became painful, they're called spasm/cramps and are caused by the same reasons above, added with overexertion or after having a strenuous activity. Overall, it is still wise to make sure you ate adequate meals, stay hydrated, and rest enough to minimize the effects whenever it comes by, alright?
OKAY.. but, this doesn't explain the whole ordeal we have as systems, so did we hit a dead end? Not really, i have some actual answers going on here after some many reading and sense-making;
What could that possibly be..
If you have heard about the Central Nervous System, you must meet it's younger brother: Peripheral Nervous System, CNS and PNS for short.
So, if CNS consists of the brain's and the spinal cord's nerves, the PNS would be every nerves and sensors outside of it--your finger tips, neck, face, legs, all of the limbs you can think of.
Now you're thinking, why mention this? Because the only bridge where neuro/psychological meets physical, is from the central to the peripheral! When CNS is where all commands and actions comes from, somewhere must be equipped to running those tasks accordingly, which is PNS's job.
Now if a switch is happening, many things are happening inside the brain as well, in chemistry and electrical-impulses wise. Apart from adjusting to the part that will be out next, it has this kind of recalibration from the CNS to be attuned to this part which could create peak brain activity, sending overexcited impulses in the initial stages,, pain also counts as the byproduct sometimes. Now this is where the the impulses are not intentional by the CNS, but caught by the PNS, which is why many physical effects happen right before, or in middle, or after the switch has been complete though it differs for everybody. (it can be as minor as shivering or eye-defocusing too)
Here's a similar condition (yet not widely used in the medical world) that you guys can learn too, dropping it here!
Okay, but why?
We now know what has been causing it, but probably that isn't satisfying enough for you as an answer? No worries, i gotcha covered!
We have been equipped with many involuntary responses when something happens, take some for an example:
Knee jolt reflex when a medical hammer is struck
Sudden retraction from painful, hot water
The coughs that comes along from an accidental choke
These things seems to happen without us needing to think of doing it manually, still with the examples as references, i will apply different reasons to why twitches happen in a switch;
When muscles are too stiff or loose, twitches can happen to reset the tone to its original state
It can be used to regulate muscle coordination to ensure movements are 'calibrated' (like how i explained before)
Could be due to adjusting to the CNS's output of energy/activity, especially if it suddenly changes
A response after being surprised by external stimuli (which could make sense because the body 'wakes up' again after the next fronter comes in)
Yes, but...
But not all experiences twitches, and instead felt weak or unbalanced or unable to coordinate movements or all that,,, how did the opposite happen?
Nobody's brain work the same way, that's the first thing you must remind yourself. This itself has a whole different involuntary response that comes with switching, which i also have the answer for;
Some switches have excitatory effects, while some have inhibitory effects depending on the person, some might even experience both kinds or just one.
If the PNS responds to any orders the CNS give, the CNS, instead of creating crowding arrays of nerve impulses, tells it to tone down everything on purpose to reduce any clashes from brain synapses or anything related to prepare for the next stage, make sense? Which then brings us to less controlled limb movements or balancing, or even sometimes affecting wakefulness.
Here are some inhibitory-related conditions, one way or another!
Takeaway
Just a simple reminder that any existing stress or conditions (mental or physical) can affect the quality of the switch, which is why it's important to take care of one's health to reduce the intensity of the physical symptoms that comes along with as well as safety measures to reduce any discomfort or harm that can happen in the process.
Sadly, i do not have a say in how to specifically help systems with any excitatory or inhibitory responses, coming from a system that has smooth transitions with little to no effects, so i want to hear how you guys experience and handle those moments! This can also be a moment where you guys share tips or tricks that can benefit others too, so i appreciate any contribution related to this topic!!
So, what do you guys think about this? let me know your thoughts alright?
- j
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Tbf, I don't think there could be "no reason", but maybe even the alter themselves could not quite tell why. It's still different from "no reason" though.
Plural culture is when an aggressive system member gets so angry for literally no reason that they have to be pulled from from by another system member
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hello! i’m wondering, is there any chinese equivalent of (fictional character/)introjects, fictives, etc? my native language isn’t english, and there are small OSDDID communities in my language, but we just end up using the english words. i was wondering if it’s the same way in other languages.
Hi! I think I've seem a mental health introduction site giving different common types of alters their Chinese translation, though I can hardly find Chinese DID/OSDD personal story sharing community like the English ones. I don't browse many social network though, and I don't have accounts for the ones that's popular in here/mainland China/Taiwan, so I can't be very sure of it.
Though I think we could easily translate that into Chinese with the idea that introject means a projection of something as an alter, I'd call it something along the line "投射型子人格". For fictives, maybe "虛擬事物子人格"? It means "fictional stuff sub personality".
This reminds me that I'm still glad that I'm good enough in English and familiar enough to communicate with foreigners online/irl in English. It's so hard fo find good representation of DID (and let alone OSDD) even from news column written by licenced doctors.
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Not sure if that's emotional amnesia, but we might be able to recall what happened but still feel like it's some kind of 3rd party experience where we know how we felt and even how we get affected by the emotional flashback of that, but somehow the flashback doesn't happen when we relook at it and don't feel like the emotion was that bad.
We have fragmented amnesia for stuff too.
Also, I wonder which one is it for that time I keep forgetting amd remembering the Chinese name for USSR in a continuous speech? lol
Types of Amnesia
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Diagram created by me
General criteria for amnesia:
Memory loss
Confusion
Inability to recognize familiar figures/places
Difficulty recalling names or places
Not remembering where you went
Worser ability to remember things that had happened
Generalized Amnesia Where a person completely forgets everything about themself and have no recollection of what, where, and who they spoke to. This can describe a blackout switch and may still recognize who they are.
Localized Amnesia Where a person is unable to recall a specific/series of event from the whole, which creates an incomplete picture of the situation. For example, remembering childhood but not the abuse.
Selective Amnesia Where a person only lost some and retain the rest, forgetting parts yet not all of them. This can describe greyouts as it grasps some information/sensory yet not enough to tell what exactly happened. One example is playing the phone and unable to recall what occured, only to jump its memory right to being at bed.
Emotional Amnesia Where a person has an intact memory and it's details on what had happened, but do not remember what the event feels like (e.g. was scared, happy, etc.). One description is that you're watching something that didn't happen to you, because you don't feel like being in the scene itself.
Continuous Amnesia Where a person fails to retain full parts of the event/day, for a set period of time (can vary from minutes to days) and create an accumulative, small bits of selective amnesias, continuously, leaving many gaps in a chronological timeline. This usually happens in times or stress, or abuse.
Fragmented Amnesia Where a person has an unrelated, and/or disjointed memories that does not go with the timeline's order, creating confusion and difficult to grasp the cohesive picture of what truly happened. Emotional amnesia may be present in this type. Bonus for systems:
Amnesia barriers Where a person fronting is not able to recall other alter's memories, which is a form of retrograde amnesia and compartmentalization. Because the fronter will only retain any information before switching out with the next one, the rest experiences anterograde amnesia as it cannot form and remember those memories, unless being coconcious or cofronting (even though, this is not always guaranteed).
Take notes that amnesia can still happen outside system things due to comorbidities like anxiety disorders or depression, this does mean systems are bound to experience more amnesia compared to non-systems folks out there.
Do you have any discussions about this? Or would like to describe your own way of seeing these different types of amnesia? Or have more to add? Feel free to tell them here!
- j
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Not exactly a psych hospital, but in psy ward, the nurses and caretakers do NOT follow trauma informed model and also abuse intellectual disabaled patient, right in front of a heavily trauma based disorder patient, repeatingly. Including but not only to blame them for having their neighbour bed patient to press nursing bell call for twice overnight because they freaking tied them on bed THE WHOLE NIGHT, and use that as an excuse to extend tieing timing.
And I'm fairly sure someone with DID would love to send themselves to ward for more trauma. /s
people who have been in psych hospitals, share your experience w me (both the good and the bad). mental health reasons.
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Hey guys, have you heard of The Grapes Theory? I don't think I could find any related search result in English online, but this is from someone from Taiwan who established the Taiwan branch of ISSTD. It is a personality psychology theory and can be used to explain singlets or pluralities.
I have limited functional will and whatnot to do super accurate research or translation especially at 3am here, but at least maybe any of you can try machine translate with this link?
https://www.jendow.com.tw/wiki/%E8%91%A1%E8%90%84%E7%90%86%E8%AB%96
And the Chinese wikipedia page of it was deleted due to "not enough awareness" back in like 11 years ago. Now I think I know why I've only ever seen that theory in a personal mental health blog site once but not in English communities.
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Anyway, let me try to do a bit of translation, or more like self interprution...
It says a person's personality is like a bunch of grapes on a stem. Each little grapes represents different personality qualities, different sub-personalities or even alters, but in normal settings they're all ultimately connected to one stem, having same memories, emotions, actions etc. so the person would only feel like there's one "me".
For CDD systems, our grapes are dropped off from the stems due to different traumas. Different grapes have their own quality isolated from the bunch of grapes, forming their own networks, thus different "me"s.
In this case, grapes are dropped off and in most cases they hardly be "put back to the bunch of grapes". Integration means small grapes are integrated back to "personality quality", but not disappearing (and can never really disappear), and work for the system as a part of the whole system. That does not mean they're going to be the same as the unhurt stem of grapes, but they get to choose when to come out in some suitable timing with suitable environment.
Uh... let's hope I'm not messing things up with this brain in 4am. And I hope I get to shower before sleeping. The weather and this body rn... YIKES
Hey guys, have you heard of The Grapes Theory? I don't think I could find any related search result in English online, but this is from someone from Taiwan who established the Taiwan branch of ISSTD. It is a personality psychology theory and can be used to explain singlets or pluralities.
I have limited functional will and whatnot to do super accurate research or translation especially at 3am here, but at least maybe any of you can try machine translate with this link?
https://www.jendow.com.tw/wiki/%E8%91%A1%E8%90%84%E7%90%86%E8%AB%96
And the Chinese wikipedia page of it was deleted due to "not enough awareness" back in like 11 years ago. Now I think I know why I've only ever seen that theory in a personal mental health blog site once but not in English communities.
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Hey guys, have you heard of The Grapes Theory? I don't think I could find any related search result in English online, but this is from someone from Taiwan who established the Taiwan branch of ISSTD. It is a personality psychology theory and can be used to explain singlets or pluralities.
I have limited functional will and whatnot to do super accurate research or translation especially at 3am here, but at least maybe any of you can try machine translate with this link?
https://www.jendow.com.tw/wiki/%E8%91%A1%E8%90%84%E7%90%86%E8%AB%96
And the Chinese wikipedia page of it was deleted due to "not enough awareness" back in like 11 years ago. Now I think I know why I've only ever seen that theory in a personal mental health blog site once but not in English communities.
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There was once I (or whoever we were/I was) gatekeeepr held an inner brain meeting with us. He was speaking in English, and when things got a bit difficult for me/us to express in English it became telepathy, we sense what he was expressing without being able to hear any kind of language for the specific point h ewas trying to make, not even in our ntaive language.
And again, my initial therapist (a trauma specialist but not dissociation specialist) said it's NOT and disorder if the split of personality does not much problem in our lives. so whatever works for the system to live good means good. Communication style is something very personal for people, singlet or plural.
Unpopular fact: systems HAVE different kinds of communication styles.
The majority, sees internal communication as being able to share audible thoughts/mental talking with each other. But oftentimes we miss a whole other range of communications such as..
Expressing in visual images;
Or abstract vibes like feelings/sensations;
Conversing with a medium such as paper or text apps;
And, even in dreams!
With this information, you can find out which style you belong to,, and it is possible to have more than one, but most importantly you will have a dominant/default that's often used.
Which one is your communication style? And how does it affect the way your system functions? What are the pros and cons to it? Do you think there are other styles? Feel free to share your thoughts with me, discussions are also open!
- j
(Request me to elaborate this in a separated post if needed)
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I have a question for DIDOSDD systems:
Do you guys experience much DPDR? I mean, that seems to be one of the most known distress of the disorder, but I don't think our system have much of those. At least not at this stage of living (thank goodness).
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At some point during our recovery, we went from defaulting to thinking anything any of us did throughout the day/our life as just "me" and started differentiating them by alter. And at first that was definitely useful! Early on, doing that helped us spot the patterns and better understand each part of us as best as we could. It also helped validate our existence to ourselves, especially those of us who kept slipping into denial or who had a more tenuous grasp on their sense of identity.
But I've realized that we've perhaps leaned too far in that direction yet again, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with saying stuff like "this is x's favorite color" or "y bought this plushie"... when we start blaming each other for actions and pointing fingers instead of accepting that the other alter is as much a part of me as "I" am, we end up pushing each other away. I've been inadvertently distancing myself from Green's cranky moods and thus failing to realize that Green's crankiness is my crankiness and thus something that I need to address and allow myself to experience. Or, I've been trying to convince myself that any childish behavior that I've been exhibiting lately is because of a child alter co-fronting or otherwise influencing me, and while that may be true... well. There's nothing wrong with being childish, and I should embrace that as a part of me instead of thinking of it as belonging to "someone else".
Trying to find that balance between honoring each alter as an individual with their own unique thoughts and opinions and wants and needs, while also acknowledging them as parts of myself (and that I am also a part of them) is difficult. I don't necessarily think we're doing a bad job of it, but it's definitely something I'd like to be better about.
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*Sees other systems having whatever alters i.e. non human/fictives/mythical alters* That's normal. I read lots of information about DIDOSDD and they're very much valid.
*Sees their own brain having a happy puppy* WTF WHY IS THERE A DOG IN MY BRAIN
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