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Rowling isn't denying holocaust. She just pointed out that burning of transgender health books is a lie as that form of cosmetic surgery didn't exist. But of course you knew that already, didn't you?

I was thinking I'd probably see one of you! You're wrong :) Let's review the history a bit, shall we?

In this case, what we're talking about is the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, or in English, The Institute of Sexology. This Institute was founded and headed by a gay Jewish sexologist named Magnus Hirschfeld. It was founded in July of 1919 as the first sexology research clinic in the world, and was run as a private, non-profit clinic. Hirschfeld and the researchers who worked there would give out consultations, medical advice, and even treatments for free to their poorer clientele, as well as give thousands of lectures and build a unique library full of books on gender, sexuality, and eroticism. Of course, being a gay man, Hirschfeld focused a lot on the gay community and proving that homosexuality was natural and could not be "cured".

Hirschfeld was unique in his time because he believed that nobody's gender was either one or the other. Rather, he contended that everyone is a mixture of both male and female, with every individual having their own unique mix of traits.

This leads into the Institute's work with transgender patients. Hirschfeld was actually the one to coin the term "transsexual" in 1923, though this word didn't become popular phrasing until 30 years later when Harry Benjamin began expanding his research (I'll just be shortening it to trans for this brief overview.) For the Institute, their revolutionary work with gay men eventually began to attract other members of the LGBTA+, including of course trans people.

Contrary to what Anon says, sex reassignment surgery was first tested in 1912. It'd already being used on humans throughout Europe during the 1920's by the time a doctor at the Institute named Ludwig Levy-Lenz began performing it on patients in 1931. Hirschfeld was at first opposed, but he came around quickly because it lowered the rate of suicide among their trans patients. Not only was reassignment performed at the Institute, but both facial feminization and facial masculization surgery were also done.

The Institute employed some of these patients, gave them therapy to help with other issues, even gave some of the mentioned surgeries for free to this who could not afford it! They spoke out on their behalf to the public, even getting Berlin police to help them create "transvestite passes" to allow people to dress however they wanted without the threat of being arrested. They worked together to fight the law, including trying to strike down Paragraph 175, which made it illegal to be homosexual. The picture below is from their holiday party, Magnus Hirschfeld being the gentleman on the right with the fabulous mustache. Many of the other people in this photo are transgender.

There was always push back against the Institute, especially from conservatives who saw all of this as a bad thing. But conservatism can't stop progress without destroying it. They weren't willing to go that far for a good while. It all ended in March of 1933, when a new Chancellor was elected. The Nazis did not like homosexuals for several reasons. Chief among them, we break the boundaries of "normal" society. Shortly after the election, on May 6th, the book burnings began. The Jewish, gay, and obviously liberal Magnus Hirschfeld and his library of boundary-breaking literature was one of the very first targets. Thankfully, Hirschfeld was spared by virtue of being in Paris at the time (he would die in 1935, before the Nazis were able to invade France). His library wasn't so lucky.

This famous picture of the book burnings was taken after the Institute of Sexology had been raided. That's their books. Literature on so much about sexuality, eroticism, and gender, yes including their new work on trans people. This is the trans community's Alexandria. We're incredibly lucky that enough of it survived for Harry Benjamin and everyone who came after him was able to build on the Institute's work.

As the Holocaust went on, the homosexuals of Germany became a targeted group. This did include transgender people, no matter what you say. To deny this reality is Holocaust denial. JK Rowling and everyone else who tries to pretend like this isn't reality is participating in that evil. You're agreeing with the Nazis.

But of course, you knew that already, didn't you?

[kerrikins]

Reblogging because I love all the theories! But also because this is why I disagree with Sammon calling “they’re still in the house” a closed ending because there are still so many possibilities and questions - and endings that range from “everyone except Por could live”, “Jin is the only one to escape”, “New and White escape”, etc etc.

I honestly love the ending because it has so many possibilities (whether Sammon intended it to or not).

Ok, Hear me out. Hear me the f*ck out, I am so chill right now.

Saw this post that said PheeJin's epilogue was a hallucination, and if since that is ABSOLUTELY true, then this scene -

- is also a hallucination. Which means the three did not just leave White there to die a innocent death like Non. It was all Phee's hallucination (which lines up with his hero complex - no offense to the Phee enthusiasts).

So, while PheeJin and Tee are lost in their hallucinatios, it is entirely possible for White (the smart cookie) to wait them out till they're all neutralized a.k.a. not waving knives or guns around, and then get his ass out of there.

Now 'out of there', logistically, would have to be back to the living room to get the first aid box, patch himself up enough so that he is not bleeding out, and then get OUT of there.

This is the point a lovely hiker sees him and gets him to a hospital or something, and White lives.

As for the others -

I don't know, who cares (New was fully planning on making it a murder-suicide as is, so he probably dies; he'll most likely kill himself even if he is taken to a hospital. Boy ain't doing jail time when his brother's assailants got off scott free).

TL;DR: White is alive. Any logical fallacies you see in this post, no you don't. I am not taking criticism.

#dead friend forever #dff #dff the series

[kerrikins]

Hey guys, just putting out a PSA because now that's THREE people I know of who've got these identical messages on Discord last night alone.

If a friend messages you apologising because someone "with a similar username to you" tried to deceive them so they reported your account as hacked, and sends an image of a discord email, your friend is the one who has been hacked.

It's hard to read in the screenshot (sorry!) but it looks like the "advice" is something like "file a friend request with our CORPORATE HEAD OF SECURITY to open your case. You have 12 hours to do so or we might suspend your account."

I've been told that if you do contact that user, they try to get you to "prove" you own the account by making a "100% refundable transaction" to them. Which is so scummy.

Scammers catch people out by imposing a time limit and dramatic consequences of not acting fast enough. In that moment of panic, you might not figure out it's suspicious, especially when the email looks so real (it will have your screen-name in it to make it seem legit, but the request code will likely be identical to the one in this post, #40557035) and you're worried about both an impersonator AND losing your account.

If you get sent the above message, try to let your friend know through other ways (socials, etc) that they've been hacked. If you are ever worried, your best bet is to check Discord's website and ask for help through their support page, which has a section for hacked accounts.

[kerrikins]

Other people's thoughts have had me thinking about this as well, and I just don't think that I can agree at all with the idea that Jin's hallucination demonstrates that he's selfish. I think his hallucination shows Jin's secret and is also different simply due to the fact that unlikely almost everyone else in that group, he saw Non as a person and hoped that he was alive - so he never had reason to be 'afraid' of Non or hallucinate about Non coming after him.

Let's go through the others who we know have hallucinations. I'm leaving White off for obvious reasons, and Por b/c I'm not sure he actually hallucinated anything at all.

I also want to add a reminder here of something that gets forgotten a lot - that the hallucinations are supposed to be a person's fear OR their secret. A lot of the hallucinations actually revolve around things that the boys have been hiding from others.

Tee - knows that Non is dead all along, so of course he hallucinates about him and killing him. This is Tee's secret.

Phee - told Non to get lost and die, so we see this happening over and over again. This is also Phee's secret, I'm not sure he told anyone what he said to Non.

Top - is fairly sure that Non is dead, so he hallucinates his ghost/Non taking revenge. This is Top's fear.

Fluke - knows that he stood by and watched everything that happened to Non, so his fears revolve around being a bystander (which makes the whole eye thing rather poetic/apt). This is both Fluke's secret and his fear, as he never told anyone what he saw Jin do.

So that brings us to Jin.

First of all, let's remember that Jin is the ONLY one who tried to speak up against the bullying. He is the only one who called out the behaviour of the others. He is the only one (other than Tee, who knows Non is dead) who expressed remorse directly TO Non.

In the present, he's also the only one who tells the others to stop blaming everything on Non.

Jin always hoped that the others would accept Non into their group and that things would work out. He always hoped that Non was alive somewhere. Dr. Sammon confirmed that Jin came from a good background and never had reason to question that things would turn out right, which explains a lot of his naive behaviour.

With all of this in mind, it seems obvious to me that of course Jin wouldn't hallucinate Non, because he wasn't afraid of him. He knew Non as a gentle, kind boy who lowered the knife when Jin apologized to him.

Instead his hallucination revolved around his secret - that he's the one who took the video - and his guilt and shame surrounding that. The hallucination brings this to life by putting Jin in Non's place. His hallucination isn't about selfishness, to me, it's about his remorse over what he did (which he expressed to Phee in the previous episode). He also obviously has shame regarding his own feelings towards Non, because we see him trying to hurt the hand that he touches himself with. This is another secret of Jin's - that he had feelings for Non and that drove some of his behaviour.

Now, was Jin selfish in other ways? Absolutely he was. He made mistake after mistake for very selfish reasons. But I don't think his hallucination is another demonstration of that at all. Instead I think that's Jin tearing himself up for what he did to Non and imagining himself in Non's place.

#dead friend forever #dff jin #dff: the series #dff meta #dff spoilers

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[kerrikins]

the fact that fluke put out his own eyes is so smart and symbolic.

he’s the (only) one who saw everything, therefore knows everything.

but his guilt ended up eating him alive, like tee, so he put them out so he couldn’t see anything that would put him in this position again.

damn, he got his eyes privileges revoked!

#dead friend forever #dff the series #yesss #so satisfying since he knew MORE than Jin did and did nothing #everyone and their mama hating on Jin but Fluke could have stopped the entire thing

[kerrikins]

Gonna reblog my own post here to add my thoughts because this re-sparked debate on the ending over on Twitter (which I kind of expected, because so many people on all sides really want there to be 'One True Ending').

I dug through a lot of the comments but didn't find any further clarification as to what 'still in the house' meant to Dr. Sammon. One thing that I've found interesting is that a lot of viewers here and on Twitter want the 'lighter sound' at the end of the episode to be from the beginning of the episode, and I find that so fascinating because I find little discussion of the fact that at the beginning of the episode MORE of the group is alive than at the end. Like, at the beginning of the episode everyone is still alive except Por! What happens after that...? Like I get everyone is going 'well obviously they all die' but how? In horror until you've seen the body they're not dead, lol, and sometimes not even then.

Another theory circulating is that Phee was taking more of the drug when he thought he was taking the antidote, and so they are still in the house at that point. If we go with this theory, this is before Tee becomes lucid and realizes what he's done to White, so it's actually kinder than what we are later shown. And again - what happens after that?

At any rate, this 'closed' vision of the ending still leaves so many questions - does New leave? Does he commit suicide and die there as well? Do all the deaths happen as we see them except New dying and the other three escaping? Does Tee actually become lucid and realize what he's done at any point? Do Jin and the others kill each other or did New kill them? Are they all going to relive things over and over forever?

Essentially, even with the 'closed' ending of 'they are still in the house', I still have so many questions about what exactly happened.

Edit: Oh, and I should add that I like that I have questions, lol. I want to imagine a world where Tee's suffering with knowing that he killed White! I want to imagine a world where New escaped but the others lived and maybe that drives him a bit mad and he hunts them down one by one. I want to imagine a world where maybe Jin escaped but Phee died saving him. I want to imagine a world where Jin & Phee are haunted by what they did and the thought that they couldn't save Non. I want to wonder what would happen if Phee managed to fight his way out of the hallucinations at the beginning and tried to reason with the others!

Gonna share here some comments that I found on Twitter about the space that Sammon had:

Jin:

"Jin character is to represent the normal ppl growing up in a normal family (wealthy fam & good environment) with the mindset of everything will be good, this world is beautiful just like what he has learned & seen but one day when he faces the real & big disappointment in life… and Dr. sam talked about the dynamic and the conflicts of Jin’s character"

White:

"White’s character is the real outsider who is a completely unfortunate person and he represents the innocent who got affected by Tee’s actions"

New's father's death:

"The death of the father of New and Non at their mother’s funeral was dr. sam’s idea and she said she’s so sorry for the trauma this scene created but she wants to push New’s character to the point that he feels the pain like suffering in hell"

Sammon's answer on whether Phee still loves Non:

Phee’s POV: Non cheated on him so it’s something that when time passes, his love for Non is still there but somehow faded away. Beyond that is Phee feels immense guilt bcuz he told Non to get lost and d*e

The Flashbacks:

Dr. Sammon said at first they planned to have the flashback since ep.2 of DFF. The original plan was the series will run in sequence with the flashbacks inserted along the way but they decided to change to have the first 4 episodes focusing on the present days without the background of the characters. After the past had been revealed in Act 2, the audiences will go back to find any clues left in ep.1-4 to connect the dots.

All above are taken from herenthereafter on Twitter.

Tee:

Sammon said in her opinion having to live knowing you killed your loved one is the worst ending of all so she gave the worst punishment to tee - cr. kiiramei

New & the ending:

Asked if a listener was sure that New was dead and said that at the end they are still in the house (but offered no clarification as to the fate of the characters or where in the timeline in the last episode 'still in the house' means)

Kreng:

Definitively stated that Keng is a predator and Non was being groomed.

Uncle Joe:

Was arrested and died

Non:

Non is artistic and New is academic kid. New focused on study so their Mom will not pressure Non, but it strained their relationship, which New plan to amend after returning from England. Non is typical who draw, write, manga etc. That's why the script is important for him. It's the first time someone believe in his ability, he got some friends in the way and also he want to show his parent that he also had something he want to do (art).

#dead friend forever #dff: the series #dff the series #dff spoilers

[kerrikins]

Gonna share here some comments that I found on Twitter about the space that Sammon had:

Jin:

"Jin character is to represent the normal ppl growing up in a normal family (wealthy fam & good environment) with the mindset of everything will be good, this world is beautiful just like what he has learned & seen but one day when he faces the real & big disappointment in life… and Dr. sam talked about the dynamic and the conflicts of Jin’s character"

White:

"White’s character is the real outsider who is a completely unfortunate person and he represents the innocent who got affected by Tee’s actions"

New's father's death:

"The death of the father of New and Non at their mother’s funeral was dr. sam’s idea and she said she’s so sorry for the trauma this scene created but she wants to push New’s character to the point that he feels the pain like suffering in hell"

Sammon's answer on whether Phee still loves Non:

Phee’s POV: Non cheated on him so it’s something that when time passes, his love for Non is still there but somehow faded away. Beyond that is Phee feels immense guilt bcuz he told Non to get lost and d*e

The Flashbacks:

Dr. Sammon said at first they planned to have the flashback since ep.2 of DFF. The original plan was the series will run in sequence with the flashbacks inserted along the way but they decided to change to have the first 4 episodes focusing on the present days without the background of the characters. After the past had been revealed in Act 2, the audiences will go back to find any clues left in ep.1-4 to connect the dots.

All above are taken from herenthereafter on Twitter.

Tee:

Sammon said in her opinion having to live knowing you killed your loved one is the worst ending of all so she gave the worst punishment to tee - cr. kiiramei

New & the ending:

Asked if a listener was sure that New was dead and said that at the end they are still in the house (but offered no clarification as to the fate of the characters or where in the timeline in the last episode 'still in the house' means)

Kreng:

Definitively stated that Keng is a predator and Non was being groomed.

Uncle Joe:

Was arrested and died

Non:

Non is artistic and New is academic kid. New focused on study so their Mom will not pressure Non, but it strained their relationship, which New plan to amend after returning from England. Non is typical who draw, write, manga etc. That's why the script is important for him. It's the first time someone believe in his ability, he got some friends in the way and also he want to show his parent that he also had something he want to do (art).

#dead friend forever #dff: the series #dff spoilers #doctor sammon #dff meta

[kerrikins]

Fuaiz Thanawat as White Dead Friend Forever (2023)

#fuaiz thanawat #dff white #sweet baby #i love him so much #both fuaiz and white

[kerrikins]

if you like a piece of media that is good eventually youll more or less run out of things to say about how good it is but if you like a piece of media that is objectively pretty mediocre but also somehow deeply compelling thats how the demons get you

[kerrikins]

Still thinking about and fascinated by the fact that if we go with “they’re all still hallucinating” argument that means that theoretically everyone except Por is still alive and it’s up to the viewer to decide what happens next

#dead friend forever #DFF: the series #DFF the series

[kerrikins]

Since the rest of the BL viewing community has watched the Dead Friend Forever fandom spiral for the last three months, why don't we do them a kindness and answer a very important question:

[kerrikins]

To me Jin didn’t see Non because he was never afraid of Non. He liked Non and was the only one in the group who actually treated him well outside of the video. To me his vision was all about his guilt and remorse for what he’d done, his shame for it.

I also think he didn’t see Non because he always hoped that Non was alive. Sammon said that Jin was meant to represent a boy who came from good things and hoped for the best, etc. People got so angry at him for “dragging Non back in” but Jin was always an optimist and thought things could work out.

He’d also had the chance to apologize to Non, even if Non didn’t entirely know the whole story, so I think that combined with him not knowing Non was actually dead explained why his visions didn’t include Non. He didn’t know Non was dead, like Tee, and he hadn’t told him to go and die, like Phee - so his main guilt manifested in his shame about the video.

Dff death and fear- analysis:

Por- his death is the easiest to understand. whatever he did to non could be nothing compared to others. he was just a typical bully. as for the camera he genuinely believed the whole time it was non who broke it. he realised his actions in his deathsofa?? and asked for forgiveness. spoiler alert: he is the only one in the entire series we know who is actually dead.

Top- he was never the instigator just went on his friends. in the final episode we see him confessing to non and for making him open those accounts. that is his only crime. he was the first person to talk about a ghost and almost everyone dismisses him. that is his biggest fear. that nobody is believing him. that is what we see his hallucinations. nobody believing him.

Fluke- his eyes are his curse. he saw everything. the camera, the video. and this is his fear. he is also the only other person who sees a bloodied keng. because both jin and fluke feel they are somewhat responsible for kengs' death.

White- white doesn't add anything by himself but is related to tee. we do not see non or anybody in his halluciation. we see his biggest fear-catching an STD and tee leaving him because of it. that's why we see condoms lying around in his hallucination.

Tee- his biggest regret is not helping non. and he regrated that. he felt he himself was to blame for nons' death. and when white came into his life it is absolutely possible to imagine white getting killed because of him would be his biggest fear.

Jin- he is the only bully who doesn't see non. he only see his actions. because he is selfish. he doesn't fear non. his biggest fear is tasting his own medicine. he is also vain enough to not kill himself. that is why see him harming his hand rather than killing himself.

Phee- it was hard to decipher where his hallucinations started and ended. i couldn't understand if some of the actions was just writing mistakes or was of any significance in the story. i concluded my theory with as soon as we start seeing phees' hallucinations that was the end of the story. his original fear was not being able to save non. and we see that. but then it changes to his current fear- not getting out of the mansion. phee is also mentally stronger than others. he questions his hallucinations. and in the end instead of his hallucinations controlling him we see him controlling his hallucinations. we see him getting out of the mansion with jin bcause this is what he promised jin. we see him saving tee because he wanted to save the people in the mansion.

New/Tan- he's just smoking the hell out of his janta drug.

*his hallucination of non is actually part of phees' hallucination. we saw him have a hallucination before and he is terrified of non in that. but in this hallucinaton we see non calmy call upon new and say stuff non wouldn't actually say to new- like "you will always be there, i'm in your heart." we see the reality of non and news' relationship. they didn't have a good one. and new felt guilty for not helping non. we see this hallucination from phees' perspective. this is what phee thinks their relationship is like.*

honorable mention:

Non- "i'm gonna get out of here". is he actually dead?

Keng- at first we thought he died in the car crash but then we see him episode 10. injured but still alive. after that we don't see him again. is he actually dead this time?

#DFF Jin #dead friend forever

[kerrikins]

Happy two years of KinnPorsche The Series and welcome to this year's anniversary event!

In celebration of the show and us as a fandom, this event will host prompts and a rewatch, so we can enjoy the show once more, and to encourage creativity and new creations for its second anniversary. Starting from April 9th, the event will run across 28 days; dedicating two days to each episode and one prompt pair as listed below.

Any and all creations are welcome! You don't have to follow the prompts, they are just here to give you some inspiration if you'd like.

Make sure to use the tag #kpanniversary2024 on any anniversary-related posts so we can reblog them to this blog and feel free to add your writing to the Kinnporsche Two Year Anniversary collection on AO3 as well!

Got any questions? Feel free to send an ask!

REWATCH SCHEDULE

Apr 9-10: Episode 1

Apr 11-12: Episode 2

Apr 13-14: Episode 3

Apr 15-16: Episode 4

Apr 17-18: Episode 5

Apr 19-20: Episode 6

Apr 21-22: Episode 7

Apr 23-24: Episode 8

Apr 25-26: Episode 9

Apr 27-28: Episode 10

Apr 29-30: Episode 11

May 1-2: Episode 12

May 3-4: Episode 13

May 5-6: Episode 14

PROMPTS

List 1: Your Favourites

Ep 1 - Apr 9-10: Favourite Main Character

Ep 2 - Apr 11-12: Favourite Supporting Character

Ep 3 - Apr 13-14: Favourite Episode

Ep 4 - Apr 15-16: Favourite Location/Set

Ep 5 - Apr 17-18: Underrated Character

Ep 6 - Apr 19-20: Favourite Romantic Relationship

Ep 7 - Apr 21-22: Favourite Platonic/Familial Relationship

Ep 8 - Apr 23-24: Favourite Scene

Ep 9 - Apr 25-26: Favourite Outfit

Ep 10 - Apr 27-28: Underrated Ship

Ep 11 - Apr 29-30: Favourite Family

Ep 12 - May 1-2: Favourite Parallel

Ep 13 - May 3-4: Underrated Quote

Ep 14 - May 5-6: Your Choice!

List 2: Your Interpretation

Ep 1 - Apr 9-10: Fate

Ep 2 - Apr 11-12: Misfit

Ep 3 - Apr 13-14: Heroes

Ep 4 - Apr 15-16: Tension

Ep 5 - Apr 17-18: Regret

Ep 6 - Apr 19-20: Comfort

Ep 7 - Apr 21-22: Heist

Ep 8 - Apr 23-24: Haunting

Ep 9 - Apr 25-26: Trust

Ep 10 - Apr 27-28: Manipulate

Ep 11 - Apr 29-30: Villains

Ep 12 - May 1-2: Identity

Ep 13 - May 3-4: Secrets

Ep 14 - May 5-6: Legacy

RULES AND GUIDELINES

Any kind of creations (fics, drabbles, fanart, edits, gifs, videos, etc.) are welcome!

Use the tag #kpanniversary2024 so your creation can be reblogged to this blog.

Be respectful of other people; this event is no space for negativity.

Mature and NSFW content is welcome, but must be tagged properly - both on Tumblr and on AO3.

Feel free to skip days, only participate for one day, etc. however you like!

You can participate in the prompts, the rewatch or both - it is up to you!

Late submissions are allowed.

One prompt or a combination of both prompts can be used, and all prompts are open to personal interpretation.

Multiple creations per prompt/prompt pair are welcome!

You do not have to follow the prompts, any creations during the course of the event are welcome.

Since this event is meant to celebrate the show itself, no actor content or behind the scenes content will be reblogged.

DISCLAIMER

This event has drawn inspiration from the previous year's anniversary event, as well as Kinnporsche Week in 2022.

Happy creating!

#ohhh #kinnporsche #kinnporsche: the series #kpts

[kerrikins]

I think my main comment here is that what seems clear or to have been portrayed in a piece of art is going to vary from person to person and it doesn't mean that they're being deliberate about ignoring or interpreting 'incorrectly' what was shown or presented. Two people can watch/read/consume the exact same piece of art and come away with two completely different perspectives, that's just part of the experience.

Once a piece of media is finished, the power lies with the viewer or consumer to decide. It doesn't make either person wrong, it just means that they're different.

Personally I kind of love all the different theories because they're all rooted in what canon gave us (and imo, I think a lot of people are missing that the show made it very clear that even an 'escape' wouldn't be the typical HEA). At this point the fan experience really takes over and people can just focus on whatever they took or got out of it without worrying about whether it's 'right' or 'wrong' (unless anything ever comes out that shows otherwise, of course).

Are people deliberately misinterpreting the ending of DFF?

It was pretty clear to me.

As soon as Phee started smoking again he was just consuming more hallucinogens (since Tan tricked him about which were the antidote and which weren’t). Everything after that was just more hallucinations. Phee never shot New. Phee, Jin, and Tee didn’t get out of the house.

Not to mention that Phee saw Non again at the end (in the “2 years later” hallucination) and then the sound of the lighter being lit. New is probably still filling that house with the smoke of his stellar weed.

I mean, the opening scene in the episode could just as well have been the closing scene.

#dead friend forever #dff: the series #dff meta

[kerrikins]

Just gonna pop onto the main tag for a moment to say: the ending is open to interpretation and I think people should embrace that.

I've seen a few 'but wait, clearly ____ happened' on here and on Twitter (usually with different theories, lol) and I think people will enjoy themselves a lot more if they realize that that's okay!

When a canon ends, the work moves into the hands of the fans - and art interpretation is always subjective. Even things that are supposedly 'explicitly shown' are often dissected and taken to have different meanings (which we have seen over and over throughout the show) so it's not surprising that an ending that had a character questioning events and then playing a sound that made the viewers go 'what?!' will bring about a lot of theories as to what exactly happened.

Interstellar is similar - a lot of people feel one way, a lot of people feel another. There's nothing 'wrong' with either side.

So far I've seen:

they're all still stuck hallucinating at the beginning of the ep and New is alive & poisoning them

everything happened up until the point where Phee took the antidote but actually he's just hallucinating again & still stuck there

all of them are in the house in a kind of 'purgatory' forever reliving what they did to Non

Jin escaped but Phee and Tee died in the house

Jin, Phee and Tee escaped but they are paranoid/haunted by Non

And you know what? I can see merit in all of these. The theories also prove that the ending is ambiguous because there are so many different interpretations on it.

I also want to point out that with most of these, the immediate question that comes up is 'well what happens next' - which is again, why the ending is open to interpretation.

And that's okay. It's likely that unless the author comes out to make explicit statements, it's going to stay that way - and I'll tell you right now that even if he does make explicit statements, a lot of fans believe in 'death of the author' and don't care about what's outside of what was shown to them in canon.

Different interpretations are going to happen, so don't let what other fans are taking from the show spoil your take or your enjoyment of it.

#dead friend forever #dff: the series #dff meta #dff spoilers

[kerrikins]

It's not that they're 'deliberately misinterpreting', it's that this is where canon ends and the audience interpretation takes over and art interpretation is always subjective, dependent on the viewer's beliefs and desires, etc.

Even if you say 'well Phee was just consuming more hallucinogens' - well, what exactly does that mean? That means that he's not dead, because he's hallucinating - so what happens from there? Any answer to that question is just as valid as any other, because we weren't explicitly told. It's open to the audience to decide. He showed resistance to the drug before so it's easy to theorize that he'd find a way to get out just as it's easy to theorize 'and then New kills them all'.

Even things that are explicitly shown to the audience often get read in a variety of different ways, so it's not surprising that people are having a variety of responses to the ending when it was very clearly written to be ambiguous with the sound at the end that allows the viewer to extrapolate.

I also want to comment here that this is similar in ways to the end of Inception. Sometimes things like this are done deliberately. Unless the writer speaks out on it (and I rather hope that he won't because most of the variety of takes on the ending still have happy viewers) it's up to the viewer to decide - and even if he does, well, for a lot of people 'death of the author' would come into play.

Are people deliberately misinterpreting the ending of DFF?

It was pretty clear to me.

As soon as Phee started smoking again he was just consuming more hallucinogens (since Tan tricked him about which were the antidote and which weren’t). Everything after that was just more hallucinations. Phee never shot New. Phee, Jin, and Tee didn’t get out of the house.

Not to mention that Phee saw Non again at the end (in the “2 years later” hallucination) and then the sound of the lighter being lit. New is probably still filling that house with the smoke of his stellar weed.

I mean, the opening scene in the episode could just as well have been the closing scene.

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