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The fact that there’s gonna be four beyond episodes (from what I remember) and they’re not covering the titular four characters in each one is just- damn okay, I guess we need to spotlight Jaune one last time. I just wanted each Rwby team member to have a moment of introspection on their own and I can’t win

This might be the last bit of RWBY content we ever get, and they're highlighting Jaune.

Like can we please please take a break from Jaune? I'm so sick of wasting my time with the author-favorite nice guy nerd turned old angry action figure deaged all over again. I don't want to see his face anymore.

#rwde

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I haven't seen the new RWBY Beyond thing yet, but between the screenshots of it and V9, I just gotta say... Do the writers want us to treat their show with the slightest bit of seriousness?

They always have big important supposed-to-be-emotional scenes, things like people mourning the loss of Team RWBY who people think are dead, and then they're like "here's Sun and Neptune in a glorified chibi sketch! Look at their mustaches!" We're supposed to think people think that Team RWBY might be dead, right?

Like this was a small jump of a shark in the Office.

Are we supposed to treat Beyond with as little real weight as RWBY Chibi? Or do they just not know how to do any better?

And then V9, they're like "Ruby is grieving Penny, holding onto her sword, clearly falling deeper and deeper into despair - LOOK, Weiss got clonked on the head with a rock! it's the funny block guards! They're here to tell funny jokes!"

I understand that RWBY as a show needs to have some room to make comedic jokes, but they do not do that in a good well done way. It's like they're not even treating this show seriously themselves at all, so how can I? Like for once could they try to not diminish and undercut anything serious that happens in the show?

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So since you're rewatching A:TLA, do you have any problems with how Jet and Hama, victims of colonialism & genocide, were depicted?

Every time there's a 'revolutionary revolts too close to the sun' plot, I have a 'this again' exasperated reaction and on the general whole, I think that less people ought to make them. More often than not, these plotlines fail and are bad and what they're saying winds up feeling like propaganda. However, on the whole, I think that ATLA does it about as well as I've ever seen.

Please keep in mind that I haven't seen the later seasons of ATLA in a few years, so there might be things I'm not remembering specifically with the Hama episodes. I've never really analyzed this show to the extent that I've analyzed other things, as well, so... Yeah.

But, when looking at these sorts of revolutionary revolts too much plots, there are a couple of questions that I feel are worthwhile to ask:

Are the victims actually treated as victims and is their suffering given weight and understanding? Have the mains also suffered at the hands of this oppression?

Is the show itself and the main characters interested in opposing and dismantling the system of oppression?

How does the show portray violence against oppressors in general?

What is the revolutionary doing that makes them an enemy? How is that conflict articulated?

Are the antagonistic victims treated worse or better than the actual oppressors?

How much time is devoted to fighting revolutionaries who revolt too much compared to the actual oppressors?

I remember the conflict with Hama less than the conflict with Jet since I just watched the first season, so I'll be using Jet as an example, whereas I can't really speak much on Hama.

Jet's suffering at the hands of the Fire Nation is acknowledged and sympathized with, both with Katara and iirc also gone into in the episode where Jet meets Zuko. In fact, Katara compares her situation with Jet's because they've both lost parents to the Fire Nation, and Aang lost his entire people to them. This isn't a case where the main characters are less affected or not at all affected by the oppression that the revolutionary who revolts too much faced. The entire show is built around saving the world from the oppressors and colonizers and restoring peace. The very premise of the show is that Aang and his friends must help dismantle the system of oppression in place. If this was a case of these revolutionaries reacting to their oppression, but the mains and the story not really caring about ending the oppression (or even worse, fighting to maintain the system,) then it would be an instant no from me. But the story is actually about ending the oppression. The show in general doesn't portray violence against oppressors as bad. The gaang uses force when necessary even to the point of injuring people iirc, and the soldiers fighting the Fire Nation are also portrayed as heroes point blank period despite the fact that they're most likely willing to kill even though we don't actively see it (in a kid's show, this is more than fair.) Even though Aang himself wants to follow the strict 'no killing' policy of his people, the others want to kill the Fire Lord and they're never portrayed as bad or even really in the wrong for wanting it and working towards it if I remember correctly. And even then, Aang was more or less coached by other Avatars of the past to kill regardless with them talking about how they should have or did kill for the greater good, and Aang was fully set to tragically disregard his own moral code to do what had to be done until he realized there was a way for him to defeat Ozai without comprising what he believed in (also not bad in a kid's show if you ask me.) What made Jet different from the violence of the mains was that Jet wasn't only hurting the soldiers and leaders of the Fire Nation in order to free people from oppression, he was actively taking the stance that civilians and children (and I think also innocent Earth Kingdom civilians but I could be misremembering,) were a necessary causality to defeating the Fire Nation. Jet - and I believe Hama - were both portrayed as people who had been deeply hurt but who fell into the trap of dehumanizing their oppressors that resulted in them no longer caring who deserved what punishment, or what would cause the least amount of harm. Instead of being villainized for hurting the people who hurt them, they were acknowledged as having gone too far and hurting even children who had no part in the horrors that had happened to them. Jet is treated with much more sympathy and given much better treatment than Ozai. Despite the fact that Jet dies, he's given not only ample sympathy before he does, but a full 'redemption arc' for lack of a better word. He regrets the fact that he hurt innocent people, he's forgiven, and ultimately recognized as a hero. The fact that his early portrayal included him learning not to dehumanize the enemy to the point of killing children didn't mean that he wasn't still a freedom fighter who wound up doing good, it didn't mean he was unforgivable, it didn't mean the heroes wanted him to die, and in the end his actual death was a tragedy. The only reason Ozai didn't die - in contrast - was because of Aang's desire to not compromise his principles and to carry on the traditions of his people. Even Ozai's own son wanted him to die. When he was defeated, Ozai was actively made fun of. He spent the rest of his life in prison. He was treated as an evil vile man. Fighting Jet and Hama and talking about their crimes is devoted to literally two episodes out of sixty two, whereas the whole premise of the show is defeating Ozai. Not much time is expanded to talking about revolutionaries who go too far.

Again, it's been a long time since I've seen the Hama episode, so I can't speak much to that (and if Hama was more mishandled, it makes the Jet storyline feel different.) The problem with ATLA I feel is... Why did they have to have episodes focused on revolutionaries revolting too much in the first place? Why did two white men who have been criticized for their carelessness in portraying Asian cultures feel the need to write it? I don't know. A part of me is of the opinion that it's not wrong to talk about how dehumanization of the enemy isn't going to help anything and can lead to just more active harm. For another example, I don't feel like I have a problem with President Coin in the Hunger Games being a bad guy and even less of a problem with Katniss's struggles with her and Gale's different moral codes when it comes to Capitol Citizens. I do think that maybe they went a little hard on it, like they had to make Jet really bad to try and ensure that the people who get angry at anything that isn't revenge based excessive punishment wouldn't get angry at them. But those people are always going to have a problem with it no matter how it's portrayed, and it made Jet feel a little unrealistic. I can acknowledge that they should've made it something that maybe was less pre-meditated, or that it could involve citizens but not so decimating an entire town... I don't know.

But I personally do not believe in cold-blooded revenge based violent punishment - especially collective punishment - if it's at all avoidable. However, another part of me is just sick of seeing it in general and is confused about why it has to be said all the time. Writers invent these characters so they can talk about the evils of revolting too much, and it's like... Why? What value did it really have to Avatar? It didn't do much to set up the future conflict of Aang not wanting to kill the Fire Lord, and it didn't do much to establish Sokka's morals imo. So what was it doing there? Just to establish that Fire Nation citizens don't all deserve to die? They do well enough portraying that throughout the whole show. So why would they need the Jet conflict? I go back and forth. There's a conversation to be had about whether or not Jet's storyline or Hama's storyline needed to happen, and I think the end conclusion is that it didn't need to be made. But in regards to Jet in particular, I think it was done about as well as a person can do that kind of storyline. As I said, I haven't seen the Hama episode in a hot minute though, so that one could be a lot worse than the Jet one and I'm just not remembering.

#atla #is there an atla critical tag I should be using? #atla critical #just to be safe

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Expanding on this a little; This post isn't about wanting Sun to be more of a main character, shipping BlackSun, or anything to do with dissing Blake. This is specifically about a lot of people clearly not valuing Blake's early arcs and character, because Sun played such a big role in so much of it that actively dismissing him as just a side character no one should care about or acting like he's the worst person in the world just proves imo that they do not care about the things he played a part in that happened to or were about Blake.

Like, the very first words Sun said to her were an affirmation of the Faunus traits she was hiding, during the first time we as an audience were seeing her cat ears iirc. Blake spent days with him after Weiss had been horribly anti-Faunus and Yang and Ruby hadn't said a damn thing against it. He was the first person (and might be the only person) she talked to about her past in the White Fang and leaving it. He was her support when she first went to prove the White Fang's innocence and fought by her side without a question when Blake got into it with Torchwick. He was the person who went with Blake to the White Fang rally. And like it or not, although Yang (after being anti-faunus to Blake and angrily pushing her) was the one to convince Blake to go to the dance, the actual moment of Blake relaxing again and having fun is pretty focused on her being with Sun.

Sun is less prevalent to Blake's story in V3, but then in V4 he becomes the person she's spending the most on-screen time talking to. Not only do we learn about Blake's family and Menagerie through Sun (and he might be the only character who knows anything about them too,) but Blake talks to him about Adam and he's the character we learn about Ilia through. He's there throughout Blake's arc of trying to push people away and wallowing in self-deprecation and he's the one who pulls her out of it. He gives her support in her choice to try to help Ilia, he gives her support in her attempts to get people together to go help Mistral and stop Adam. He's the person that helps Blake have the confidence and get to the good enough mental state to go back to her team and quite literally directs her to them.

Like, A. I know there's big problems with the Faunus-racism allegory and the White Fang, but that doesn't change the fact that Blake's early character and early character arcs are deeply connected to it, and Sun was a big part of that entire thing. B. I'm not saying that Sun is more or less important than certain other blondes. But he sure was more important to establishing Blake's character and to Blake's character than even Ruby or Weiss were and still are. When people act like Sun is just this super unimportant character who contributes nothing and doesn't matter, or just deeply hate him to the point where they get angry when anyone puts the slightest bit of focus and attention on him... To me that indicates that they don't actually care about Blake. Because they don't care that Sun was the first person Blake was comfortable not hiding around, they don't care that Blake stayed with him when Weiss drove her away, they don't care that Blake was having fun with him during the Beacon dance, they don't care that Blake confided in him about her childhood and the White Fang and Adam and Ilia (A lot of which she still hasn't talked to anyone else about,) they don't care that he helped Blake get more healthy and confident, they don't care that Blake had someone stand by her no matter what, they don't care about Blake's needs, they don't care about what Blake the character felt or thought or went through.

People can argue that Sun should've been more of a main or whatever, but the fact that he was a support character for Blake established in V1 and during Blake's first real big character moments means that he's super wrapped up in a lot of what made Blake who she was (not all of who she was, a lot of,) and that carried on to V5 when at that time, he was the character she had interacted with the most and they had probably more screen time together than they'd had apart. Not liking Sun or Blacksun is one thing, but I do really just feel like the people who strive so hard to dismiss him wind up proving that they just don't really like Blake outside of shipping, because Sun and Blake's scenes together were actually pretty important.

Imo, hating Sun Wukong and dismissing him as unimportant and irrelevant is a symptom of actually not caring about Blake outside of shipping her with Yang.

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Imo, hating Sun Wukong and dismissing him as unimportant and irrelevant is a symptom of actually not caring about Blake outside of shipping her with Yang.

#rwde

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I am once again asking people to realize that it's weird to take the stance of "no one should think that they're better than the RWBY writers." Like, people who write re-writes aren't even saying that, but if they did then who the hell cares? More power to them.

The RWBY writers are basic normal humans and there are people who are well justified in thinking that they're not very good writers. It's not normal to think that no one should think their work can be improved. It's not normal to think that every critic needs to think MKEK is better than them. Calling people names because they're writing re-writes (a tried and true fanfiction hobby for years upon years) is bizarre and weird.

RWBY is not an exception. The RWBY writers aren't an exception. They're not some super high bar that the common person can't reach. And again, people aren't even saying that. If you ask almost any rwde-poster, they'd tell you that making a story based on other people's work is different than making an original project even if said original project is badly done. But also like... Why is it such a big deal for these people that not everyone thinks the RWBY writers are better than them, anyway?

It's giving insecurity, it's giving parasocial, it's giving hero worship, it's giving 'needs to take a long break from RWBY,' it's giving 'is the type of person to be a thirty year old Sherlock fan still threatening to kill people in 2017.' The anti-rewrite thing is ridiculous and it's straight up helping to kill the whole of the RWBY fandom.

#rwde

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Since I consider Sun Wukong to be a completely irrelevant side character I honestly don't care what you think about him.

I just think people who can't even use correct grammar believing they're better writers than the people running the show are delusional and as a general rule, complete assholes.

White people be normal about AAVE challenge.

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I'm a simple person. I see a piece of media, I reinvent it according to my own personal tastes.

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@kitestarry Thought I'd answer this comment in its own post. :)

Ghira and Kali are very much so stereotypical "Mom and Dad" characters imo, where Kali is kind of nosy and she's comforting and she's given that "no she can hit people with pans too" thing that people give Supermoms since like 2000 so they can say they're strong women without having to do any work, and Ghira is like overprotective and tells Blake she isn't wearing enough clothes and hates Sun because he's a boy who's interested in his daughter. And I don't like the stereotypical "Mom and Dad" characterization in any setting really, but since they're only featured in two seasons and are honestly not even sort of the focus of Blake's 4-5 arc (which is much more about her, Sun, and Ilia,) they're very paper thin characters I feel like. So there isn't much else to them. But on top of that, the RWBY writers do this thing where they'll make the teenage characters do dangerous stuff but do not care to write the "caring" parental figures in their life to actually do anything about it. Like, with Willow you can at least be like "well she's an alcoholic who had an abusive husband" which doesn't mean that her complete lack of presence until V7 and her lack of action in protecting her children is fine, but it makes more sense. And when then sixteen year old Ruby left home to go after Cinder and supposedly like a year later Tai still is completely not around, we could at least say "well, he knows she's with Qrow and he might not have known how serious everything was" which isn't a good excuse, but it's at least something. But, I believe Blake ran away from home five years before the start of the show, which means she was like twelve! And she ran away to be part of a group Ghira thought was dangerous and morally wrong (which is why he left in the first place.) Like, we don't know if Blake had a good place to stay for that whole time, if she ever went hungry, and the show fully tells us she was in a bad and unsafe relationship for part of it. And where were her parents? And then the Fall of Beacon happens after Blake is on TV during the Vytal Festival, and the whole thing just makes them feel like very uncaring bad parents. There's also Ghira's whole peaceful protest 'be nice to your oppressors and they might like you' 'we need to stop faunus violence' thing. Like many Faunus characters, Ghira's a mouthpiece for the severely badly handled fantasy racism plot. It's bad on Blake, but since she has a lot more character and role outside of that, it's easy enough to just clip it out for her for me. But because Ghira has been such a small role, it's a lot harder to dismiss for him. Like if you removed that sort of thing from Ghira's character, all that you'd have left is 'over-protective dad who doesn't care about finding his twelve year old runaway but will comment on her belly shirt when she comes home."

But also, I don't write for them to be honest. Writing for characters oftentimes makes me like them more because it helps me dive into the character concept more than the oftentimes lackluster execution. There are a lot of characters I didn't like that much, but then when I write for them, I find myself really enjoying them. But my sister and I first started writing for RWBY after volume six with a fanfiction that was an AU branch off starting at the end of V5. And the only fanfictions I've written either are branches off of that branch off or are Team STRQ era fics. So... Ghira and Kali aren't really part of things in my fics ever.

So yeah, it's a combination of them being thin stereotypical parents with very little interest to them, their apparent lack of care when their twelve year old ran away, and just never writing for them so they don't get the same treatment of me fleshing them out myself that other characters who are just as thin in canon might get that make me like them more.

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Most of what's happening to RT is their own doing. RWBY was bleeding them dry and it wasn't making a profit. Barb admitted they weren't making as much money as they did in 2011.

It's RT's fault for pouring money into projects that didn't make much of a profit, its RT's fault for mismanaging money, its RT's fault for treating their staff like shit. Them making Bumbleby canon, was literally a last-ditch effort for them to get profit (merch as well) and it backfired on them. And this is coming from someone who ships bumbleby.

As much flak I give WBD, this is the only time where their not at fault. RT played the game of fuck around and find out.

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They fucked up racism, they fucked up whatever the 7-8 arc were supposed to be, and now they’re trying to handle colonialism

If volume 10 happens I don’t believe it’ll end well-

I think there's a high chance that V10 will just kind of have some minor nods to the colonization that Vacuo experienced and not delve too deep in it, but I'm also currently operating off of assuming that the writers know their days are numbered and will try to rush to end the show if they actually manage to get V10 out. However, every time I'm like "I think the writers wouldn't do this stupid thing, because it's so stupid" then guess what happens? So even though I think the most likely thing is that the Vacuo season will put several things like Sun, the Vacuo-Atlas conflict, mourning over what happened to Vale, even the Happy Huntresses (and if the writers are smart, the Crown) on the back burner to focus on tying off loose ends for the mains and defeating Salem....

There is also a chance that the writers are instead going to just continue on with whatever plan they did have originally, involving Raven-redemption, the Crown working with Tyrian, so on, and save the big stuff for later in the forlorn hope of getting a V11 down the road. And I think that if that happened, then we'd get into more things like 'poor people shouldn't be being mildly mean to Willow!' and 'Nora and Neon have to defend Atlas orphans from mean jerk Vacuo bullies!' And how a people group that was once colonized by Atlas should feel about Atlas essentially moving in. It's all dicey situations and obviously I can't say for sure that they're going to portray the people of Vacuo as the problem, but that V9 extended epilogue really made me think they would if they tried to write that particular conflict.

So yeah, I have some hope that we might avoid the Vacuo-Atlas conflict simply by virtue of not having a lot of time for it, but I'm not holding my breath.

#rwde

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reading your take on that extended epilogue, now i gotta know if they mentioned/alluded to ironwood at all. i imagine if they did it was in a negative light, but i'm so done with rwby i don't have the strength to look it up myself..

Iirc, the only mention of Ironwood was in passing by Winter, who was doing the whole "it should've been me that died" thing, and she basically said that one reason why she should've died instead of Weiss or Penny is because she followed Ironwood for far too long. Which at least someone is recognizing that Winter willingly following Ironwood at his most evilest of evil cartoon villains stage makes her complicit and in the wrong. But to me, it's pretty much useless because A. as V9 taught us, a passing 'maybe we did things wrong' does not a growth arc make, and B. Winter still seems to hold the same 'billionaires are fine actually' mentality that Weiss has with how she acts like poor people being mean to her mother is a tragedy that makes her disappointed in humanity enough to wish her little sister stays dead so she doesn't have to see it, and C. We still didn't get any of the mains actually questioning or having the slightest problem with her despite the fact that they all had problems with Ozpin.

So, yeah. It was only a passing comment on Ironwood, but it was negative, and of course Winter was the one to say it. 🙄

This show is often unpredictable, but some things are easy to predict, and that's one of them. RIP to the real Ironwood, like Qrow and Blake he has been replaced by a doppelganger.

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Just saw the extended animatic that was originally meant to end V9 and is now gonna get repurposed into the (possible) V10.

Let me just say, I still feel the same about the things I saw in the first animatic. I can now firmly say that Qrow has been replaced with a doppleganger same as Blake (I wonder if it's like a partial possession thing in this case where sometimes it's Qrow and sometimes it's the faker.) I hate the dumb Winter scenes about how disappointed she is that poor people aren't nice enough to her billionaire blue blooded mother in her silly little sunhat. I have no idea what the hell Raven is doing there. The 'Remember Her Message' thing is stupid because of how poorly done Ruby's message to the world actually was and what little impact Team RWBYJNOR has actually had on the world at large. And I still want to see Whitley without Willow for three point five seconds. And I'm still wondering why the presence of an army in Atlas was a sign of pure evil and was immediately seen as a horrifying threat but seeing an army in Vacuo is meant to be a sign of peace and hope.

But also, now I have more to say.

Like first of all, I'm even more confused on how Remnant managed to pull off any sort of army now that we know what remained in Vale after the Fall of Beacon got decimated. Where are they getting their army? From Mistral, where we know Leo had all the Hunters killed? Are we meant to assume that the people that showed up from Mistral are the cops Blake called on the White Fang? Or, maybe from Argus, even though we're meant to hate Cordovin and the Atlas military that was there? Second of all, this makes me even more annoyed at Winter for being like 'if my poor martyr sister could see how badly we're doing, she'd be disappointed,' Winter get realistic goals challenge 2024. Third of all, Team SSSN and CFVY made appearances and if I ever have to see Coco "based on a nazi" Adel ever again, it'll be too soon, but I still insist that it should've been just Sun, Neptune, and Velvet because none of their other teammates got enough focus in the actual show to be real characters. They could've been casually name dropped off-handedly and it would've been fine. Speaking of teams making reappearances, Neon is there, which means she didn't die in the Fall of Atlas and likely her teammates didn't either, but they had better have a full explanation in V10 for how soldiers on the field got back to the city and threw the portals, and it's weird that we saw Neon but not Flynt. Also can I just point out that "the people who were colonized by Atlas are being aggressive to innocent Atlas orphans and need to be told off" is a writing choice the writers didn't have to do, and considering all the whole history with RWBY and bigotry, I don't know why they did that. Neon and Nora had a moment though, and I was like... Ship material? Also, Tyrian and Mercury are working with the Crown, but... To be honest, if they don't scrap that in V10 (if V10 ever comes,) I'm gonna question their decision making even more, because they just did a new location with a new villain and it proved that this late in the game it's hard to set up or properly execute new threats, and if V10 ever comes out, it's a high probability that we're not ever getting a V11. So if you ask me, if they don't cut out the Crown, they're either gonna badly execute these new bads because they expect their fans to do homework to understand the main show, or they're gonna spend way too much focus on establishing them and the Mains will get sidelined again. Merc looks like a mess, though, and this would make me think a redemption arc is a-coming except that they're pressed for time like I said, so I'm not counting on it. The fact that I have to see Peter Port of all characters is also making me want to say a lot of bad words. Like I cannot emphasize enough how much I hated seeing him and his stupid face and how much I wish he'd never existed. What is this choice to not have the serious potential mentor character who had been part of Oz's inner circle come in and instead having the comic relief teacher who blathered about testosterone and flirted with an underage student be the one to break what should be devastating news that should by all rights get a lot of focus? And where the heck is Tai in all of this? Rip to Oobleck, but out of everyone from the Vale seasons, I would not have picked either of these men to bring back, I'd have brought in Tai and Glynda. It's just a bad choice. And still no sign of Maria and Pietro, so like... What the heck?

All in all, I thought before that I couldn't have less hope for the future of RWBY, but whoa buddy this extended animatic proved me wrong.

#rwde

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Ignoring whatever the fuck is going with the epilogue, how is rewatching Avatar going?

It's been going great! I'm taking a break from it because I've been watching some Columbo and playing Fire Emblem Engage, but I finished season one and just started the second season.

And boy howdy, I forgot how actually well done it is. That show is like a masterclass in writing. The main characters are all so nuanced, so well established, so interesting to think about, and so compelling. It's so easy to root for them, and Azula is a truly amazing villain. I wish that show had just continued, for at least two more seasons.

I like a lot of media, but I'd recommend very few of the things I've seen. There's some problems with ATLA to be sure, but by and large, it's one of the few pieces of media that if someone asked me 'is it any good?' I'd say 'absolutely!' And if someone said 'would you recommend that?' I'd say 'It isn't perfect, it's got some problems, but I would recommend it!"

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