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#1) when Tommy breaks into prison 2) when he chases him in exile and 3) their final confrontation
rozugold · 5 months
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The two times Dream recognizes Tommy
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tobi-smp · 2 years
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hello! i’ve seen some ppl saying that whenever new members ask others why dream is in prison, their answer is never a concrete/real/justified one, and that’s why it’s not really ‘fair’ that dream is in there. what do you think about this? what would you say he’s done to deserve being locked up? (for the record im not even close to being a dream apologist)
I'm not sure I Entirely understand the question, so feel free to elaborate if I don't cover what you're actually asking me for !
the way it makes sense to me is: there's a line between the information that the characters actually have and the full situation. many of the characters would have a difficult time putting it into words because they don't have the full picture of what happened that night or what lead to it.
so it makes sense that a lot of the characters wouldn't know what to say or wouldn't be able to express what they wanted to say the most coherently when randomly prompted by people with No context about the rest of the server. to that end, lets go over what various members of the cast Did actually know about that situation at that point in time.
1: most important here is that they were going to kill dream. dream is in prison because he has a magic revival book that can bring back the dead that he used to bargain for his life. that's why quackity and sam are trying to get the book, because once anyone else has that information they can kill dream (or at least, that was the idea until things changed).
2: Murder. dream did lots of murder and lots of attempted murder. everyone knew that tommy and tubbo (two children) were going there to confront dream and when they found them dream was 10 seconds away from killing tubbo for good. he was also Very Famously a mass murderer with the final control room, where the highest number of canon lives were lost at one time and has yet to be topped. he also Tried to murder the people that made up mexican l'manberg (quackity, sapnap, karl, and george). he chased them all the way into the holy lands and threatened to break the no killing rule, he only didn't because he was talked down by quackity. it's debatable whether or not anyone besides tommy knew that he killed mexican dream at this point, but he definitely did do that. methodically hunted down All three of his lives until he was dead.
I didn't include the duel for independence here, because it was a Duel, but it's kinda scummy to get in a duel with a teenager anyways so that's notable.
3: politics? sort of. dream's whole thing is that he doesn't want anybody to create any factions at all because he wants everybody under his rule. he's played politics before, but the goal has always been in destroying any and all factions. he gave l'manberg its independence, and yet he was trying to encourage jack to betray them the next day. he backed schlatt in the elections, allowed him to come into power, and then played both manberg and pogtopia until both faction leaders were dead. he dethroned eret on a whim, dethroned george on a whim, rethroned eret on a whim, and eret was perfectly aware that dream was completely in control. he of course Did What He Did to mexican l'manberg because he didn't want them to become a new faction, nearly murdered four people. And Then he manipulated new l'manberg until he got his hands on the thing he Actually wanted (the discs) and then promptly burned it to the ground until nothing remained.
it's a blatant abuse of power through and through, and one that affects the entire server whether they realize it or not (and many certainly do).
4: The Weird Shit. he openly admitted to manipulating tubbo, a teenager, in front of most of the server. he burned down the community house and intentionally framed a different teenager that he got exiled for months. that teenager Has Made References to dream having Done something terrible in exile, tried to make dream Admit to what he'd done only for him to refuse. when dream tried to run away that teenager threatened to kill himself if he didn't come back And Dream Did Return. in the location that he was captured he has a vault full of people's attachments from all over server, which tommy said were meant to be used to control them, in that vault there's a cage labeled for skeppy implying dream was going to imprison a Full Ass Person. they only Had a prison because dream commissioned it right before he tried to murder and take a teenager. etc etc etc.
there's more that dream Has done of course, the specifics of what he did to tommy especially. but all of that is what would've been public knowledge at that point, or at least things that various people who showed up would've known individually.
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