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solaine copies her dsmp meta twitter part one

preface: i wrote this on february 13th and am now archiving it over here on tumblr before i get around posting it to the actual archive (of our own). i'd like to clean it up before i go there, becuase i wrote this at like one am lying in bed and typing on my laptop that was sitting on my stomach. it's a lot of rambling. i go on a lot of tangents. it is not the cleanest nor likely most accurate meta you will ever read.

how characters (children) on the smp learn from history rather than repeat it: a thread

aka: stop liking the other one you fucks i opened the wikia so i actually know what happened now /lh

context here is that i had earlier made a much less coherent thread (not that this one is very coherent) with the caveat that i was going entirely off memory

this thread is mainly going over how tommy + tubbo both emulate and turned away from wilbur + schlatt respectively, and how i think that's going to reflect in ranboo's arc

"as long as i can't be the next jschlatt, you can't be the next wilbur." okay we all know this. it's obvious from this point on that both tubbo and tommy saw or had fears of how they were each developing into scarily familiar people - schlatt, a dictator, and wilbur, a madman.

starting with tommy, the parallels between his exile arc and wilbur's pogtopia arc are immediately, and glaringly, obvious. paranoia, trust issues, "maybe i'm actually the bad guy here", and most notably, intense loneliness. wilbur made it obvious he believed pogtopis's allies would all abandon them in the end (them being he and tommy, though how much he trusted tommy by the end is also up in the air), and he was completely prepared to kill anyone he had to in order to secure pogtopia's victory, despite also preparing himself to be the one to end it. wilbur gave up on l'manberg, at the very end. he believed tyranny was all that would ever reign, so he blew it up.

tommy, in his exile arc, was also despairingly lonely. he hallucinated tubbo, grew attached to dream, etc etc. tommy was very very close to "becoming" wilbur here (god i'm sorry this is so long already and just me summing things up we already know it's to keep my thoughts in order + satisfy my inability to shut up and use too many words)

where wilbur and tommy go their separate ways is when they were given an out. dream gave wilbur tnt + for tommy, he was. you know. gestures vaguely at logstedshire. wilbur took the out - he gave up. he gave in. we know he had moments of clarity (when niki was in danger) and Maybe this was one he could've had too, but he didn't. he took the tnt.

tommy decided enough was enough. so at a crucial moment in time, tommy turned away from being wilbur. he did not repeat history.

onto tubbo; admittedly i know much less about his arc as president so this will be less outlined. tubbo,,,, acted very similarly to schlatt. probably moreso than tommy and wilbur! strange new laws, ignoring his cabinet, execution, generally appearing to lose his care for the world and the opinions of others. i'd argue the thing that separates him from schlatt is the most important part of this thread, because it proves my point: he remembered.

i just want to clarify here: by "proves my point" i mean this is the clsoest we get to an agreement of the ideas i'm putting out here in canon?? ig?? as in like. this is the most on the nose way to say it. similarly in recent days to quackity consistently referring to his treatment of dream as torture, which seems to be a very "I Am Not In Character" move but is definitely meant for us, the viewers, rather than character dream or character quackity themselves. tubbo's is a little less like that but still it's kind of like pointing at the X on a map for us the viewers. ok tangent over

tubbo lived under schlatt's rule as one of those people he treated extremely shittily. he lived under schlatt's rule as that person he executed. and tubbo remembers all that! tubbo remembers how schlatt's rule played out, and he looks at his own uh, less than stellar time in office, and he admits this out loud (to ranboo, according to the wikia. i am getting all of this off the wikia. i did not watch any streams during this arc.) that he can See himself becoming schlatt.

and when quackity tries to execute ranboo for being a traitor, tubbo stops him.

onto dream and ranboo! dream is a special case in that we never get to see his perspective of things and are rather left to play fill in the blank, and this whole arc is special (in terms of this thread) in that it isn't over. so i will be doing a lot of extrapolating here.

dream starts out as a generally ambivalent character who has very few rules that he pretty much never bothers to enforce anyways (i think? i don't remember).

by this i mean, this is all stuff i heard secondhand in recent months and can no longer remember what it actually was because i never went back to check. i'm pretty sure, but just a disclaimer. i don't wanna get hit with an "um, actually

his villain arc starts very very early - two whole seasons before he really became one. in the war, he is the antagonist and he plays up to it! most of the war is from l'manberg's pov (or that's how we look at it now, at least) so obviously he is the Bad Guy here.

ranboo griefed a house like two days into the server. 'nuff said /lh

ranboo + dream are both heavily vilified characters from the get-go - dream's part should be fairly obvious (uh, the everything leading up the exile arc where he actually did villainous things), whereas ranboo's is most notably during the second festival's aftermath. taking the blame for blowing up the community house, wanting to "pick people not sides" (he wants all his friends to be happy - sounds familiar, right?), etc etc, and now he's with techno and phil, the former of which is Definitely considered a villain for working with dream

now many many parallels are being drawn between he and dream, especially with the whole enderwalking thing. in the aftermath of everything happening, he chooses to stay out of all conflict, until Something Happens and forces his hand. (the egg!) he wants peace for everyone, which again, sounds very familiar, right?

(slight tangent: yes, the griefing was forcing dream's hand. it's nigh impossible to construe it as anything other than a political attack - the vice president of l'manberg griefing the home of the greater dream smp's king? dream looks weak + open to attack if he lets it slide)

this was a bad way to put it but the spirit of it gets across i think. fuck character limit on twitter

that catches us up on all current lore. where do i think dream and ranboo are going to split? dream has been alone in his decision-making basically since the very first war. not once has he (successfully, we don't know if he tried) gone to fall back on his friends' support and ask for their help in making these hard decisions (of which there are many). he severs his final connections ("i don't care about anything on this server") and cements his place in history as a monster.

i think it is very likely that we are getting a ranboo "friendship and relying on other people" arc here. there are other ways they could go with it, obviously, but given his current arctic anarchist ties and what appears to be other friendships developing. hmm! i'm interested. this part is entirely speculation/extrapolation. point being. the kids on the smp do, in fact, learn from history. they still make mistakes sometimes, but past a certain point, they're always different mistakes. they learn, and they almost always get happier endings for it

i don't know if it's a coincidence that it's the three lore-relevant kids who are the ones doing this. i don't think it is, because this is a very well-written and clever story. the younger generation is the one learning and fixing past mistakes and leaving the world better off for it. that's very neat! i like it a lot. also now that purpled's becoming lore-relevant, goddamnit if i don't want to see next season being his "learning from history" arc. punz vs purpled, maybe? that'd be neat. who knows. ok i think im finally done lol ty for reading :)

caveat I forgot to add last night: obviously ranboo and dream start out in very different positions, moreso than both tommy and tubbo. but at the end of the day, all three of them are their own people who just happen to take after other people in some ways :)

again, ty for reading! here's the original thread. i'd like to add that this is probably out of date and i may come back to it some day but who knows. maybe this will just be a relic of before Now (may 25)

#solaine's dsmp meta #dsmp #dsmp meta #c!tommy #c!ranboo #c!tubbo #tommyinnit #ranboo #tubbo #schlatt #c!schlatt #c!dream #dream #c!wilbur #wilbur

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pixelatedrose · 3 years

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Ro, I know nothing about dream smp, but it sounds really interesting and I'm super intrigued by the little snippets I get about Dream's character, so if you want to, and if you feel like it, would you mind explaining C!Dream's arc and your opnion on him? 👉👈 He sounds like a fun character and I'd love to hear about how he did and what you think about him

Oh i would love to give an analysis/explaination on his character :)

/roleplay for everything below here btw, i am talking about the characters not the creators :]

So Dream is the owner of the server, he's the admin. He's also praised both in and out of rp for being an excellent player of the game being skilled in both the mechanics and pvp- in fact Dream and Technoblade (a player praised for being the best pvper in the world) had a duel where Techno won over all, but only just.

Anyway-

At the begining of everything, Dream was kind of the say all end all of most things happening on the server, and when Wilbur wanted to do drugs and creat a country seperate from his server where he could do drugs, Dream [rightfully] said no. This led to the first war in which Dream (along with Sapnap, George, and Punz) won.

Then Dream kind of fades a bit from the plot, becoming a much more background character. He claimed in the middle of Schlatt's rule that he was in it for the chaos and quietly aided Pogtopia as well as heavily aided in its ultimate destruction by giving Wilbur tnt in his descent into madness.

Before Pogtopia went to take back Manburg, Dream switched his allegiance to Schlatt for reasons unknown till recently (reasons being that Schlatt had access to knowledge on how to resurrect people) and even FURTHER aided in the second destruction of manburg by egging Techno on as they had Tubbo placed into presidency.

After this, it was once again quite for a little while during the rebuilding of L'manburg. Until George's house got burned down.

Dream then began building unwanted walls around New L'manburg in punishment for Tommy [and Ranboo's] actions. He gave Tubbo an ultimatum: exile Tommy or the walls will continue to grow.

(Its at this point i forgot all about the disks oh jeez- anyway its VERY important to note that before Wilbur came onto the server, Dream had wars against Tommy (and tubbo too from what i understand) to get Tommy's disks that he had. I don't know why dream wanted them or why they were important to Tommy bc i wasn't there for it, but it was important. Tommy trading the disks to Dream was what granted them independence in the first war and since then tommy had been trying to get them back and by the time Dream demanded Tommy's exile, Tommy had one disk, Tubbo had one, and Skeppy had one. Also important to note that Dream said that if Tommy gave him the disks then the walls could also go down without his exile.)

Tubbo exiled Tommy and Dream was set as the enforcer of his exile, checking in daily and making him give up his armour and tools and making sure he STAYED in exile. However Dream did more than this and began to manipulate and gaslight Tommy, making him believe he had been imagining it when Tubbo came to see him once and lying to him when he said he'd sent everyone invites to Tommys party- telling Tommy that he was his only friend and that everyone else hated him.

In the end, Dream discovered that Tommy had been secretly saving tools and armor in a chest under Logsteshire and he blew up everything Tommy had accomplished in Exile and telling Tommy it was all his fault. It was all to the point where Tommy nearly took his last canon life before realizing that he could just run away, ending up with Techno in the AE.

Its also important to note that during this time dream has also been manipulating Tubbo as well- however i don't know the extent of it since i never ended up watching Tubbo's pov while Tommy was in exile.

After all this happened, Dream began hunting for Tommy- coming not once but i think three times to Techno's house- all three times Techno (once it was Ghostbur) protecting him and lying to Dream for him.

After this, Dream blew up the community house (the oldest structire on the server) and framed it as Tommy's doing in an attempt to further push everyone against him. It backfired though and Tommy joined back with Tubbo, subsequently betraying Techno in the process. (Important to not that during this, Tubbo ended up giving Dream the Disk that he had in safe keeping)

Dream then teamed up with Techno (who was already planning on destroying L'manburg) and helped him obliterate the country- leaving nothing but a smoking crater down to bedrock.

Following this he (allegedly- it's still unsure wether it was actually Dream or not) began to maniand gaslight Ranboo, convincing him that Ranboo was the one who blew up the community house and had a disk himself and had betrayed everyone he cared about during his blackouts.

Finally, Dream had two of the three disks and lead Tommy and Tubbo to a final battle in which Dream ended up winning, taking them to an underground chamber where he had wall to wall places for things that were of value to others on the smp- including pets and items alike, and even a space for an actual character [skeppy]- all in an attempt to control everyone on the server.

During this, Dream threatened the life of Tubbo if Tommy didn't give him the last disk. And as Tommy and Tubbo began to give into dispare, around 15 people from the smp, including but limited to Sapnap, George, and most notably Punz (who was by far the most loyal to Dream up till this point) all showed up and forced Dream into submission, Tommy claiming two of his canon lives in revenge for Dream taking two of his, and finally taking him away to a high security prison called Pandora's Vault in which he resides in today, writing books by request of Tommy.

Damn.

Okay.

Sorry writing about Dream is difficult because he doesn't stream his pov and hasn't since the very very first L'manburg war. And even still there are things I'm missing from this I'm sure...

Anyway, from an analysts stand point, Dream is an absolutely FASCINATING charcter with extreme motives and he plays such a convincing villain that i even forget sometimes that Dream as a person is actually really nice. He's scary intelligent and highly manipulative- even in prison where he tried to make Tommy feel bad by saying sorry.

From a personal point of veiw i would rejoice if c!dream fucking burned in the pits of hell for the rest of existing time :) LIKE RANBOO DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY SHIT AGAINST DREAM OR NOTHIN AND THIS BASTARD WAS LIKE "oh yeah you probably blew this up and betrayed evedyone you love willingly" LIKE FUCK YOU GREEN MAN LITERALLY YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSE STFU

Anyway.

Dream :)

I'd be more than happy to try and summarise other characters for you too btw

#that-peach-anon #mcyt #dreamwastaken #dreamteam #dreamsmp #dream smp #dsmp #L'manburg #tommyinnit #tubbo #ask me things #hhhhhhholy shit #man trying to do that was long and HARD #if i missed things and fucked things up I'm sorry i can only do so much #this is all what i understand to have happened with dream- its difficult when you don't have his pov available for watch :/#anyway i hope this helps a little!! i didn't take time to explain plot lines a whole bunch but if you want me to i can try!!

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