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#Mei and Azure have both been described as 'containers' for power.
imminent-danger-came · 9 months
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I'm about to do some REACHING are you ready
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#Absolutely off my rocker and the circumstances of MK's birth could be so different and I could be extremely wrong#Do I honestly even understand hollow knight that well? Probably not.#BUT. But if I was right#Wouldn't this suck#Like if EAMK was real and MK was created to 'seal' away some chaotic cosmic force/to make said force a clean slate or whatever#Look look look look look#Mei and Azure have both been described as 'containers' for power.#Mei was a successful container to the Samadhi Fire#Azure was not a successful container to the Jade Emperor's power#And then there's whatever the fuck MK is. Like. The 1x01 seal I'm telling you#That's coming back (thank you 4x01 and the s4 special for using the same design when you really didn't have too!)#Look look look. Chaos starting because MK's seal broke (post realizing he had powers).#And like you know how the Hollow Knight became unsuitable for it's intended purpose because of their relationship with Wyrm#SO. MK's destiny/purpose being to cause chaos and ''unleashing'' MK being the thing to ''tip the universe into chaos''#But MK failing in that. Because of his relationship with Monkey King (and of course his friends)#This is all conjecture and reaching I know. I know.#BUT THINK ABOUT IT#WOULDN'T IT BE FUN#lmk#lego monkie kid#lmk crack#....yeah I'll tag it that#I feel that way posting this#lmk speculation#<- tag so I can find stuff for my s5 bingo card#hollow knight#hk#This is for me and like. 1 other person probably#You're welcome
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imminent-danger-came · 3 months
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Possible thought about Qi Xiaotian in relation to the fact that he and broken memories make similar sounds- he is a memory.
A memory of Sun Wukong given life. Here's my evidence:
While he did come from a stone egg, we never actually see that egg in reality, just in the memory scroll.
One of Wukong's most used powers is shape-shifting, and that is still used. But Wukong has a long history of shifting into human guises, and we never see him do that- Macaque does it, changing both into Xiaotian in his debut episode and the puppet master. It may be possible that Wukong hasn't done that in the present because he doesn't need to, but there's not even a mention of it in glimpses at the past
All the mirror parallels between Xiaotian and Wukong
And that's my only pieces of evidence. My other theory is that it's a side effect of having his monkey woken up inside the scroll when you probably should have done that anywhere else.
(Post anon is referencing!)
So, I think it's pretty clear by this point that MK is connected the scroll is some shape and form. Both times he enters the scroll, it emanates from him (which MK distinctly notices the second time):
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(4x02 Familiar Tales)
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(4x11 A Lifetime of Mistakes)
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In s4, we also have the gang embody/meet their past counterparts: Tang becomes Tripitaka, Pigsy becomes Zhu Ganglie, Sandy becomes Sha Wujing, and Mei meets Ao Lie, but MK....MK meets the curse. That's the reflection of himself he comes across.
In 4x02, this is how Azure describes the scroll/curse:
Azure Lion: "[The scroll of memory is] a prison, designed to contain wicked souls, forcing them to relive their past misdeeds over and over again, for all eternity. In order to contain it's prisoners, a powerful protective curse was cast upon the scroll to prevent those in prison from escaping, and ensnare any who would seek to free those locked inside, trapping them forever. Left unchecked, that curse would have spread, consuming everything until nothing remained."
So, the scroll/curse forces you to re-experience memories, but for MK it tries to encourage him to give into Chaos and pushes him to the brink to reveal his Monkey Identity.
MK is a reflection/mirror of Wukong, yes, but there's also this other aspect to him we've never quite touched on. His eyes go blue on occasion, he interacts strangely with the Lady Bone Demon's powers, he seems to be associated with memory (LBD's og plan was to "undo" the memories of the world, and to use MK to do it).
MK being a warped memory of Wukong isn't necessarily off the table, but I do lean against it because of this scene:
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This is what Scroll Subodhi asks MK to "remember" about his childhood. It's a memory that's linked to his creation, in some way.
And right now, I'd posit that MK is part underworld/scroll/memory, and part Wukong/the stone.
Wukong wasn't able to defeat the Jade Empeor, he says so himself (and so does the plot lol):
Sun Wukong: "But don't worry—I almost beat the Jade Emperor single handed once!" (4x12 The Plan Man)
But then soon after, Wukong makes this claim:
MK: "Ne Zha's right—while Azure has the Jade Emperor's power and the scroll, there's NO way we could beat him head on!" Sun Wukong: "I mean, some of us could beat him! *ahem* One of us, specifically-" MK: "Nope! None of us at all."
(4x12 The Plan Man)
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Wukong isn't talking about himself here. He's talking about MK, and how MK could beat the Jade Emperor single handed. MK then quickly denies it, wanting to ignore this part of himself. Then in 3x13 MK pushes Azure to his absolute limits, causing Azure to go berserk and almost destroy everything. Had MK not been thrown out of his Monkey Form, I have no doubt that he really could have defeated the Jade Emperor—which makes him terrifyingly more powerful than Wukong.
One of my biggest questions pre-s4 was how MK got his powers, and why exactly he was so strong (particularly when facing the Samadhi Fire, something that's world-ending). Monkey Form explains some things, but we haven't gotten to the real meat of MK's origins yet, which I'm excited for.
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