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#also I think um. he can feel the void stuff even when it isn't there
localvoidcat · 2 years
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thinking SO HARD about third arc josh specifically his void stuff
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meraki-yao · 3 months
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You don't have to post it if you don't want to, you can also block me or delete it's ok, I just need to vent because this situation is hitting rock bottom and I can't stand how people don't want to see the problem:
In short: there is a video of the q&a where the female producer gets Casey pronouns wrong when talking about them. It's totally ok to point this out and give respect that Casey deserves BUT who was given the main blame? Taylor obviously, despite him also using the right pronouns during the panel, is guilty of not correcting the woman in front of everyone so he's bad again.
But this time we're not talking about that handful of idiot Nick fans, we're talking about the rwrb fandom that says they love him so much but once again for the umpteenth time they threw him under the bus without thinking twice even though he had no fault. And it will be the third time that the same fandom has exaggerated something against him, subsequently causing serious problems ( like racism and homophobia and doxxing which took place in december where everyone then washed their hands of it pretending nothing happened and they did nothing wrong)
And I'm so tired of reading that we just have to ignore that social because that social is the most active and followed and we know Taylor a few days ago saw stuff and posted and today Casey saw and posted a story. That social causes damage and everything they bring there is seen and affects all of them. So no it's not enough to ignore and put our hands over our eyes and just talk about how beautiful the sky is and I'm so tired and sad and heartbroken because every day even unconsciously they make it more and more evident that there isn't the same affection and respect for both, it's not true, one will always be seen with a critical eye "yes you are beautiful, perfect, so sexy, wow how beautiful these photos BUT you are a bit problematic, BUT you should be better than that, BUT you should learn better, oh disappointed but not surprised" and it is obviously always the poc man who has to be better who has to do better even when he does absolutely nothing wrong.
And this comes from the people who say they follow him and love him. It's no longer possible, that man has been attacked every single day for months, now he must also fall into the transphobic category because he didn't correct another person in front of everyone even though HE had used the right pronouns. But do we realize that this shit fucks up your mental health in the long run? But why doesn't anyone realize how serious the situation is? I cannot take it anymore and I feel like I'm screaming into the void and witnessing the moment when everything will get worse and fall apart and then we will be here sad because it didn't have to go that way for him
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…Woah.
Jesus Christ what the fuck.
Okay um, here we go. This is a monster of response to write but here I am.
I’m gonna start by saying I am not a direct witness of any of this. I didn’t know about the misgendering issue during the Q&A, I didn’t really notice it when I watched the Q&A myself yesterday. I’m not on twitter and I don’t follow or look at Taylor or Nick’s tags. All insults I seen regarding the boys are either from assholes trying to bother me or from people who want to talk about the phenomena, both in my inbox.
Regarding misgendering Casey:
Firstly I’m gonna state the obvious and say of course it’s a bad thing to misgender someone. Don’t do that
However I will also say this.
In regards to the extent of reaction: it’s not always done in malice. And in this case, I think it’s a genuine slip up, which happens. I had to consciously remind myself to deliberately use the right pronouns after my friend came out to me as non-binary. I had to correct my friend using the wrong pronouns when talking about our mutual non-binary student. It’s not ideal, but it happens. It’s not mean, it’s just careless. And please note that I’m not saying it’s ok to misgender someone, no it’s absolutely not but I also don’t think this case calls for a big reaction.  If someone maliciously, deliberately, publicly and repeatedly misgenders someone, that’s problematic, that should be called out by the masses to this extent. This, we should acknowledge, make a note, and move on. I think there’s some cases where the reaction to certain issues are massively disproportional, this is one of them.
In regards to Taylor not correcting Sarah and being targeted for it: Firstly, Taylor didn’t misgender them, Sarah did. Taylor used the right pronouns. In fact when they hung out in New York last August, Taylor used the right pronouns on his Instagram story. Secondly, he might not have picked that up. Thirdly, even if he did, it’s awkward to suddenly cut off a monologue, let alone one from friend or not, is someone on a higher level than you, to correct a mistake that doesn’t directly affect comprehensive. Fourthly, bystanders are encouraged to step into situations, but they’re certainly not obligated to. So placing the blame or putting so much blame on Taylor is ridiculous and unfair.
In regards to Casey’s Instagram story: I understand where the connection comes from but honestly… I think there’s also a possibility that that’s just a post that Casey saw and wanted to share without reference to this issue. They don’t have Twitter, and it’s been several days since the screening. Truthfully, everyone involved seems really friendly with each other, and how this very project is advocating for LGBT rights, I don’t really believe that if they were aware of the misgendering, they wouldn’t apologize to Casey.
So replying to the “You don’t have to post it…” anon, I agree that putting any blame on Taylor is kind of ridiculous in this case, just like what happened in December. I think there’s a portion of “fans” that are fucking around with this and genuinely hurting him, but there might also be a portion of people who have a problematic/complicated perception of this type of situation, and it’s not targeted specifically towards Taylor. Either way I disapprove with what they’re doing, but here’s a hypothesis.
Regarding the damage these stuff causes:
I’ve addressed the insults thrown at Taylor multiple times by now. And I kind of agree with “I hate that there are idiots…” anon that really disgusting insults thrown at Nick tend to be overlooked, it’s not like there’s no Nick haters, there is. But because of the inherent racism, attacks on Taylor are much more obvious. Either way it’s cruel and disgusting and the boys don’t deserve to be thrown insults like that, nor do they deserve to have people enact cruelty in their name. Rarely is anyone deserving of that, and in the case of these two boys who have been proven to kind and wonderful people, it’s definitely wrong.
I’m tired of reading and seeing these bullshit on social media as well, which is why I actively avoid it, but “You don’t have to post it” anon, I definitely understand and share your worries of this fucking up the boys mental health.
But the sad truth is that we can’t decide what he can see and what he can’t. We’re just gonna need to trust him, to believe that he knows how to regulate the exposure of response he gets, that he knows what comments matter and what don’t, that he knows how to take care of his mental health. He actively avoids twitter, so I think he has an idea on what he can engage with an what he shouldn’t. Same goes with Nick, all we can do is believe he knows his mental health and how to regulate it. Meanwhile, those of us who aren’t assholes, we’ll show them all the love we have for him. I think public figures all struggle with this to some extent, so when they stepped into this career, I believe they saw this as a possibility, so they’re prepared to some degree. That doesn’t make any of this okay, but again, ultimately, we’re not people directly in their lives. We can’t do anything else practical.
Ultimately I want to say, be kind, compassionate and considerate. We can’t control what others do, and truth be told when it comes to the majority of the haters, I don’t think calling them out will change anything. They have their mind set. So the best we can do, is manage and control what we say and do, and to some degree, what we see and engage with.
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tori-artemis · 1 year
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Thank you, @iamanartichoke for the asks! Writing this all out kind of made my day. 💜💜💜
Alright, so here we go:
9. Worst part of canon:
The fact that nothing ever is fully explored, omg! Like we see Loki being shocked and repulsed when he learns about his heritage, right, we see him almost physically recoil at the sight of his arm turning blue, we see him hesitate right when he's about to reach for Odin, bc he's afraid his touch will hurt him. So we know he has issues with this fact about himself, he's bothered by the fact that he's Jotun, and then several films later and... nothing. This is never really touched on again. Which is a shame, bc there's so much angst and character potential here!
And it keeps happening, like we see Loki fall into the void, we see he's still alive but seemingly roughed up at the end Thor 1, we see him in Avengers looking near-feral and clearly not well, but then those experiences of his are never explored, never even fully acknowledged, and IDK, it just bugs me.
(Also this isn't even necessarily about Ragnarok solely, bc I kinda include The Dark World here too. As much as Tom Hiddleston acted the hell out of his scenes, and he certainly had these things in mind during his performance, and as decent as the writing was overall, the fact that this was never mentioned, or brought up, or Thor never bothered to ask or they never had an argument where this info just spilled out... it just frustrates me, y'know. Like I would've actually enjoyed Dark World a lot more if these things had been explored in a meaningful way, or even just at all, but yeah. I'm not hating on the film, it's not the worst but I'd be lying if I said that I loved, or even really liked it, bc... well yeah.)
10. Worst part of fanon:
That Loki is the liarist liar ever, who ever liared his way into lying? Or that he's Stabby McBackstabber, or Traitor McGee or whatever. Mr "Power Hungry for a Throne" wants his power fixation and is fucking shit up bc he can - and bc he's apparently turned into goddamn Littlefinger from Game of Thrones and he's just climbing that chaos ladder, I guess. Tbf this is more the MCU/marvel fanon/misinterpretation of him, verses Loki fandom fanon in general, but I still see it and it's annoying. I guess if I had to pick fanon from the fandom tho... maybe it's less the fanon and more the extremism of certain fanons? Like - Loki's a good person at heart, he's loyal, he deeply loves and cares for his family (and his people/realm), we all know this, but then when that's the only thing that ever gets applied to his decision making, when you take away his more "unsavory" qualities (particularly his envy and resentment of Thor - understandable as those feelings may be, they're still, well, pretty dark emotions y'know), then you just strip a character of all his nuance and turn him into a one note saint, and those are never fun. He's basically reduced to being just as shallow as Traitor McGee over there, just from an opposite viewpoint. I love him more when he's human and flawed, he doesn't have to be a perfect saint for me to love him as a character.
(Like yes - Loki is perfect, but in that he's perfectly imperfect, if that makes any sense.)
22. Part of canon that you love that everyone else ignores:
I'm not sure tbh? I'm like the last person to give these great meta-insightful answers bc I kinda just get all my information from other meta writers. Like I never actually analyzed any of the Thor films - or any MCU film for that matter, I kinda just watch and enjoy the ride, and it wasn't until I started reading all this great Loki meta on Tumblr that I started to actually think about any of this stuff at all. But I guess if I had to pick something... um something I really liked, in Ragnarok of all things, was how Loki seemed to joke about the more difficult/upsetting aspects of his past (ex: his suicide attempt, and to a lesser degree his Jotun heritage bc I do think he has a lot of unresolved issues when it comes to that). Which is strange bc a lot of fans actually have said they hated that, but for a character known for putting a front and wearing masks I honestly found it pretty in character for him. Like I do think Loki uses humor to downplay his own pain/angst/struggles in general. The comment he says about Frigga (after she was recently murdered mind you) when Thor says "She wouldn't want us to fight" (voice full of pain) and Loki just - tearfully, yet lightheartedly quips back "well she wouldn't exactly be shocked" - it's things like that. And granted, I know those two scenes were very different, and he was with Thor in the latter scene, which also changes everything on how he responds/presents himself etc., but I can't help but see it as another example of Loki using humor to lighten up a conversation/bad memory. (There are probably better examples out there, but I'm too tired to search for any).
Just basically: if anyone would make a sarcastic joke about their own suicide attempt and shrug it off as no big deal... it'd be Loki.
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Our Own Kind of Love Letter
Inspired by this tik tok:
Carlos chuckles and waves a little as he returns to his work on the computer. Cecil stands and bids him goodbye before leaving. They had been getting together for the past three months as Cecil teaches Carlos the history of Night Vale. He's come to notice the other man is a lot more soft spoken away from his mic. He seemed almost….shy. 
Carlos looks away from the computer and notices a jacket draped over the chair Cecil had been sitting in. Cecil's jacket. He pushes his chair back and moves around the desk, picking the jacket up. It was softer than he expected. He isn't sure why, but for some reason he brings the coat to his face and buries his nose in it. It smelled of Earl Grey Tea, limestone and something completely and utterly Cecil. Should he return the jacket? Of course. But now? It's late and Cecil is most likely about half way home by now. It would be rude to call him back. That leaves tomorrow. He'd drop it off in the morning, he decided. Part of Carlos wanted to wrap up in the jacket, to smell Cecil all around him. Then he pauses. Okay now you're just being weird. 
Carlos quickly puts the jacket down, hearing something solid hit the ground. 
"What…?" He crouches and picks it up. It's a tape recorder. Safe to assume it fell out of the jacket's pocket. "Oh god. Please don't be broken." Cecil is going to be pissed….
It didn't look broken…. Carlos holds his breath and hits play, hoping it worked fine. 
"I...i talked to Carlos today. For the first time. Actually he did most of the talking but I didn't mind. It was rather adorable…..is it okay to say that about someone you just met?"
The speaking stops and Carlos assumed the recording was over before there was a soft inhale. 
"I'm extremely lucky he's even willing to talk to me at all." It sounded like Cecil was fighting to keep his voice from breaking and it made Carlos's heart hurt. "I was an idiot on the show last week. I don't know what came over me. I try to control myself but on air…..it's as if I lose any filter. If I keep this up he's going to-" Cecil's voice does break that time. "He's going to end up hating me because of inappropriate commentary. I don't want that. I want at least a-a friend."
There was a click to signal the end of the recording before another click as a new recording began. 
"Carlos is actually still willing to be around me. It's a miracle. Also. He's a really good friend. His jokes tend to go over my head a lot but he seems entertained so I don't mind. I was surprised when he asked to learn about Night Vale. No one really talks about the past anymore. But a new perspective is nice. He seems happy to learn. Of course he is. He's a scientist. He told me 'A scientist is always learning Cecil. With everything they do.' Well….whatever makes him happy. He looks best with a smile…" 
The recorder clicks again and Carlos turns it off before another recording can start. The second recording was much happier than the first. He assumed there were more recordings but it's wrong to snoop. This did give him a lot to think about though. He gathers the jacket and the recorder and carries it to his apartment above the lab. 
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Cecil got about halfway home before realizing he didn't have his jacket. He sighs and pulls into the Ralph's before turning around and heading back to the lab. It didn't even cross his mind that Carlos may be asleep until he pulls into the parking lot of the lab. He gets out of the car and tries the door, finding it unlocked. Maybe he was still up. He noticed the office door is slightly ajar and makes his way over. He can see Carlos inside. His heart melted a little when he sees Carlos's face buried in his jacket. Did he smell good? He watches Carlos put the jacket down and winces when something solid hits the ground. He watches as Carlos picks up the recorder he keeps in his pocket at all times to record his thoughts. He holds his breath. Please don't listen please don't listen please-
"Oh god. Please don't be broken." 
Carlos speaking brings Cecil out of his thoughts. He covers his mouth to silence a giggle. If a simple drop broke the recorder it would have been out of commission ages ago. 
"I….i talked to Carlos today."
Cecil freezes. Oh gods. He's listening to it. At this point, fight or flight kicked in. Cecil chooses flight and hurries back to his car. Once inside the car, he grips the steering wheel as he feels pressure builds up in his chest. How could he be so stupid as to leave that behind? He probably ruined the growing friendship between Carlos and himself. He would have to face Carlos to get his stuff back. Maybe the void will swallow him on his way home.
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Carlos takes a deep breath and knocks softly on the door of Cecil's booth, jacket in hand. He hears a soft shuffling before Cecil opens the door. 
"Carlos." He says softly. Why does he look terrified?
"Hey." Carlos clears his throat. "Right. Um....this is yours." He offers the jacket. 
"Thank you." He takes the jacket with slightly shaking hands. He bites his bottom lip for a moment. "Dropping the tape recorder is probably the least dangerous thing to happen to it." Cecil blurts. 
Carlos is stunned for a moment. "You were there?"
"Well….only for a moment." Cecil keeps his eyes down. 
Carlos instantly felt guilty. "I-Im sorry. I shouldn't have-i know its personal. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't broke it."
"Carlos…"
Carlos looks at his watch and swears softly. "I have to go." He leans forward and kisses Cecil's cheek without thinking about it. "I think you should listen to the last recording. And then call me. Alright?"
"Okay…" Cecil says softly, touching his cheek as Carlos hurries away. He shuts the booth of the door and digs out the recorder. He looks it over. It had a new scratch but that was nothing new. He sits down and takes a deep breath before pressing play. 
"Cecil...i don't know when you'll be listening to this but i want you to know I could never hate you. Its true when I first heard you on the radio I was a bit overwhelmed but then i got to know you. The real you. I was amazed at what I found. The person that you are….and so I'm asking you, Cecil, if we can explore something more. Something….personal. I want to learn. To learn about you. About us. Oh, and P.S. you could always just ask me to explain my jokes. I will. I promise. One more thing. I've always found you adorable."
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