#also cletus is using he/him pronouns for Carnage here

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Eddie Brock

Eddie is a native son of Brooklyn, New York, and attended Empire State University on a football scholarship. Upon the death of his alcoholic father, however, he no longer felt bound to the man’s toxic masculinity, and did not seek a career in professional football, choosing instead to focus on journalism.

He was successful in the field for several years, until he finally got what he believed was his big break -- exclusive interviews with a convicted criminal claiming to be the enigmatic Sin-Eater. He published a series of in-depth articles based on the confessions of his subject, until Spider-Man exposed someone else as being the true Sin-Eater, at which point, Eddie’s work was discredited and his career was ruined.

Unable to find work, Eddie sank into despair and eventually contemplated suicide. While sitting at his church praying for forgiveness in advance, he encountered the dying remains of the symbiote that Spider-Man had rejected only minutes before.

Eddie spent the next several years either on the lam or in specialized prison cells, subjected to experimentation. During one stint he had a cell opposite nihilistic serial killer Cletus Kasady, who would eventually become Carnage. It was here that Eddie began to reshape his notions of right and wrong. When Carnage became a threat, Eddie realized that he had unwittingly given birth to a nightmare just as Spider-Man had unwittingly given birth to Venom, and it was in battling and defeating Carnage that he began to take responsibility for the power given him by his symbiote.

Eddie’s base of operations is San Francisco, where he works as a reporter and digital journalist for the San Francisco Chronicle during the day, and moonlights as a spider-franchise vigilante, primarily protecting the people who live in the massive underground sewer complex that was made over into a city by the homeless and indigent of the region.

Eddie primarily uses a motorcycle for daytime transportation. When he rides, he wears a helmet which has a built-in radio, modified to be able to listen in to police frequencies.

The Symbiote

The black symbiote that Spider-Man rejected does not consider Venom to be its own name. When Eddie bonded with it, both of them made a joint decision to take the name Venom as a moniker of their unity, and also a symbol of their joined spite for Spider-Man.

The symbiote regards Spider-Man much as a jealous spouse would regard an unfaithful partner. Peter Parker was its first bond-mate and he nearly killed it in his bid to drive it off. The symbiote perceives this rejection as far more personally motivated and vicious than anything it has ever done, either before or since, and it harbors a deep resentment for Parker as a result.

The symbiote is a member of the Klyntar, an alien species of sentient polymorphic amoeboids. It is genderless and reproduces asexually. It is carnivorous and is most easily sated with live food, but will accept substitutional nutrition as the occasion calls (for example, chocolate in lieu of brains). If it does not receive the nutrition it needs, it will begin feeding on its host as a survival mechanism, and will promote increasingly aggressive tendencies in its host as part of that mechanism. When bonded, it endows its host with cooperative mental control of its shapeshifting capabilities and greatly increased strength and stamina. Its previous bond with Spider-Man also allows it to endow its host with a measure of his precognitive “spider-sense” and it can project organic webbing similar to his home brew.

Although it is able to, the Venom symbiote does not often express itself aloud and almost never speaks, preferring to let Eddie do the talking (its opinion is that Eddie talks enough for the both of them).

Eddie has adopted the habit of using “we/us” when referring to himself, as he is constantly straddling the thought processes of both himself and the symbiote. He does so because he feels it’s dishonest for him to claim his point of view is his alone. It’s rare that he vocally shares a perspective he has with which the symbiote disagrees -- though it’s been known to happen, and when it does, he will apply the appropriate pronouns.

Verses

Main: primarily 616-compliant. Post-The Madness, pre-Absolute Carnage. This version of Eddie has experienced a great deal of physical and mental anguish, and his notions of justice tend to be more severe than those of most superheroes. He has no compunction against killing those he believes deserve it. He still feels some animosity towards Parker / Spider-Man, but this is largely sympathetic to the symbiote’s grudge against him.

MCU: Origin story remains largely as per above. The symbiote’s attempt to bond with Spider-Man occurred shortly after Homecoming. Eddie’s turn as Venom was initially short-lived but the symbiote was fully bonded to him and inextricable. His specialized prison was created by the Life Foundation prior to the events of Infinity War, and under the stresses of experimentation, the symbiote was forced to spawn several offspring during captivity. When the Snap occurred, Eddie and several other prisoners escaped confinement, leading to Carnage’s origin story and Eddie’s decision to turn over a new leaf as per above. After Carnage’s defeat and recapture, Eddie fled to San Francisco and started a new life there.

Variant: Anti-Venom

This version of Eddie originally gave up the Venom symbiote when he discovered he had terminal cancer. A chance encounter with Martin Li, secretly Mister Negative, caused Eddie to be imbued with energy from the Darkforce Dimension, which interacted with the remnants of the Venom symbiote still bonded to his cells. This inadvertently gave birth to the white Anti-Venom symbiote, which unlike its predecessor is entirely mindless, lacks the customary Klyntar bloodthirst, is immune to fire and sonic attacks, is capable of healing virtually all known human diseases and ailments (including cancer), and is completely under Eddie’s control.

#headcanon: venom #muse: venom #muse: eddie brock #headcanons

[the-symbiote-army]

If this covers your feed I'm sorry idk how to do cuts on a phone, but also its about Venom 2 so theres that.

Alright with the second Venom movie coming up, I wanted to mention what I very personally think would wreck this movie for me. And a few good things too.

Note: Hardly any of this will be as bad as I make it out to be. Army is very dramatic alright? Army is so dramatic that she once made this fan page at two am while crying because Donny hurt Red. I'm dramatic. 

1: Just be our frenemy.

Anyway first off this is bound to be a difficult movie to write because, well, fandoms aren't the easiest to please. But I do not want this movie to be in any way fanservice. There's this very delicate balance between fanservice and fanhatred. 

For example let's look at two writers we got in the Venom series. We got Mike Costa, and Donny Cates. To pick between them you're most likely going to pick Mike Costa. Because he does some great fanservice, but, is it not a bit slow? Or boring in some ways? If not that's fine too, but you might find it boring because things are a little too perfect. There's not enough going on that makes you feel a thrill. 

However, the other side of the coin, Donny Cates. Here we have too much going on. He's taken the perfect life of Mike Costas run, and screwed around with it too much. There's no real fan service, which drives us away. 

I think an example of balance would be The Hunger. You've got both that fanservice happening with twists and moments of panic. Will Eddie kill Venom?! You think it just for a moment, drawing you far enough away from the perfection. Then when he doesn't the relief is there. Because there was some actual worry. 

I want them to do this with the movie. I don't want it to be some perfect life between Eddie and the symbiote. That's just too boring and not their real character. They need their bumps and I hope the movie can add those without going too far and demolishing the dynamic or making the symbiote out as evil. Would I like a kiss? Yes. Would I like an argument between them? Also yes. 

2: The Carnage connection.

Don't mess up the Carnage bond, please. Now it shouldn't be hard to do this. Its been mentioned multiple times that the bond between Cletus Kasady and Red, is one stronger than that of Venoms. This is why you have Venom saying "We" while Carnage says "I", so if somehow they mess this up and show Cletus like Lee whose just using Red, I'm going to be very upset. I mean, they really shouldn't because follow me through the interwebs guys. Hang with me. 

You go on to Cletus Kasadys fandom wiki, you scroll down and, ah... There it is. The quote that tells you exactly how they are. So if they mess this up, then honestly I got no words.  

3: Shriek and Carnage

Please, please, pleeeease don't do this cliche

Shriek: *Gets hurt because she's in Carnages way*

Shriek: *Gasp* but I'm your lover!

Carnage: I was just using you! I don't actually care! Hahahaha!

Shriek: *Screams and attacks him*

I swear I'll heavy sigh. 

4: Carnage Design

please do not mess up his design. When you all think of Carnage, I 100% guarantee you do not think of a giant monster who has the buffest of muscles. No, you think of the small but fast and clever red and black symbiote. So help me God, if I click the trailer when it comes out and I see a giant muscle boi I am going to be angry.

A good statement from the Lethal Protector book, Carnage does not have muscles but he's got creativity. Meaning he does not need muscles we don't have to give him muscles. Just make the skinny one really creative with how we murders people.

Also, if I see, even for a second, a single swirl on this symbiotes head, I am going to be the new wrath of Knull and destroy someone's bloodline. We do not need 5,000 different designs from all the past comics in this one movie. I just want the classic Carnage and maybe, maybe, we can get another design like Carnage 2016 design or something like that.

5: Dan the destroyer of toxin masculinity man

please do not ruin Dan as a character I kind of love him, because the way he handles Eddie in the first movie, is just really what we need. I do not need the jealous man stereotype. I just need Dan to be a good man. I just need him to continue his journey of yeeting toxic masculinity.

And and if you delete another scene, of this man carrying a very dazed Eddie Brock out from a restaurant, I will cry.

6: Pronouns

all right this one is one that I kind of expect. So I'm not going to completely lose my mind, just a little bit lose my mind. If I go to that theatre and I'm having a great time through this whole movie, then Cletus kasady, calls Red "He" or "Him", I'm going to be really disappointed. And before someone yells at me it is definitely female pronouns for her. I do not have the time to go through every single comic, and grab all the different times he has said she, or her, or girl, or missus, but he hasn't done it so I don't want them to throw that away. 

Also fun note: my favourite comic is the Superior Carnage Annual, which is one of the times he uses female pronouns. but I also just love this comment because it is a good representation for them and it was a fun read.

Anyway honestly it wouldn't take too much research to know this, so I don't think they can really mess this one up that bad. Just a few reads in the comics where Cletus addresses Red, and you know she's got female pronouns. 

Also on to that nickname Red. I believe he only uses this once in the comics and we just as a fandom kind of stuck to it, but a proper call out to her actual name would be great. (I don't count calling Cletus Red)

7: Sleeper

I think the avocado child showing up would be a little too much. I know I know we all love Sleeper, but honestly I don't want him to show up just yet. This kind of goes back to the fanservice one but I feel like that would be too much right away. 

I'm definitely going to get yelled at for that note but I don't care.

But I will happily take a mention of him. for example if Red is in fact born from Venom like she should be. And Venom tells Eddie that he's going to spawn and Eddie responds with "What if this child looks like an avocado or something?" They win the whole movie. That's it the whole movie is done. That's all they need for this movie to be successful in my book.

Now let's give a really positive note, if at some point in this movie Cletus kasady picks up a baby and then throws that baby, this also means that it gets an instant win in my book. It's very easy all he has to do is throw a child. They can do this.

#Venom 2 #Venom #Carnage #Venom movie #My opinion

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Thoughts on Eddie Brock:

Something that interests me about Eddie Brock, in terms of being a host for a symbiote (many symbiotes, at one point or another, actually, though I’m just focusing on the Venom one here), is the fact that he seems to just...intrinsically understand, accept, and even desire, the kind of relationship symbiotes do. 

(long analysis under the cut)

Almost every other host the Venom Symbiote (or any of the symbiotes) has had tends to see it either as a suit, a monster, a tool, or a friend and partner. Eddie doesn’t. It’s always been just his “other”. The other half of himself. From almost the very first second they met, too. The idea of bonding to this alien creature permanently, down to a cellular level in his words “made sense”. Despite the many difficulties and conflicts their relationship has had, Eddie still just seems to find the idea and intricacies of symbiosis so much more natural than any other character I’ve seen.

His understanding of the Venom Symbiote also seems uniquely accurate and again, effortless. It’s been pointed out more than once that Eddie does not actually put a lot of active thought into defining what his other is, yet he still seems to have a better grasp of how it works and thinks than any other host, even from almost the moment they bonded. Though he clearly loves the Symbiote and calls it affectionate names, he still also calls it…”it”. He also never refers to it by an actual unique name. He exclusively refers to it somehow in reference to their bond. “My Other”, “My Symbiote”. Even Flash, who had arguably the healthiest relationship with the Venom Symbiote and the closest one save for Eddie’s, still projects human characteristics onto it. He calls it “Venom” and uses “he” pronouns. He considers it a partner. A separate entity he works with, not a part of himself. Eddie doesn’t. And, like I said, I don’t think Eddie has ever consciously considered any of this.It’s just what makes sense to him. The Symbiote has said itself that Eddie understands it best and, from what we’ve heard it describe about its own existence, Eddie’s feelings about how it works and feels are pretty on the nose.

Also, no one else seems to deteriorate the way Eddie does when separated from his symbiote. Even others who had bonded deeply with it and spent a lot of time with it don’t seem to suffer the way Eddie does when separated. They might feel loss, or worry as Flash does, but not that all consuming sense of loneliness and emptiness that Eddie succumbs to almost instantly. No one else seems to long for reunion with it in the same way he does. To the point where it consumes his thoughts almost constantly. He seems to suffer as much as his other does when separated from it.

In a way, I think Eddie understands the symbiote the best because...he himself is the most similar to it. Eddie has a deep fear of loneliness and a seemingly fundamental feeling of incompleteness. He was able to so quickly and naturally accept another being becoming half of him because he himself had never really felt whole alone. I hope this is something they continue to explore in the comics.

(Similar things might be able to be said about Cletus and the Carnage Symbiote but I will admit I don’t know nearly as much about them as I do Venom. Carnage’s bond seems to be born more out of a desire for power and mayhem than a desire for completeness.)

#venom #symbrock #katy talks too much about comics probably #eddie brock #venom comics