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ratplagues · 3 years

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🔥 any dishonored thing of ur choosing -deathoftheoutsider

wah okay!! i will talk a bit about the outsider and void then..i dont really wanna frame it as a Hot Take bc i have no interest in starting shit or whatever like ill interact with whatever i want to in this fandom and ignore the rest and everyone else is free to do the same but.

I do not think The Outsider is a “character” in the conventional sense, much less that it does his character or the allegory he wields any justice to be shipped with anyone in the series (at least without seriously considering the implications and framing it in a way that completes the allegory. more on this later)

the outsider and his void are an allegory for Otherness; i’m namely gonna frame it as queerness and neurodiversity, but really anything could fit as long as it’s about you feeling seen as a marginalized and othered person. he is written to represent this allegory, not to be a person with a satisfying narrative arc or dimensions. this is why some people feel that he lacks depth-- he’s not supposed to have depth compared to others in the series, he’s mostly a vehicle for what he represents, and is supposed to be easy to identify with or recognize.

he was born to a life of hardship, suffered at the hands of the rich and powerful, was ignored, cast out, etc. etc. a familiar story. poor, queer, nd, really whatever you wanna frame it as. he was a nobody outcast. in comes the envisioned, they pick him to serve as their martyr and idol without his permission. he then had his name cut away and forgotten, and was thrust onto a pedestal to spend the rest of eternity being worshipped by other outcasts who had suffered at the same hands he had. he has something greatly in common with those who worship him, including the very people who stripped his mortality from him in the first place, but because of this shared hardship (and nothing else), his own autonomous personhood was disregarded completely in favor of The Community needing someone Just Like Them to idolize. if this sounds familiar, that’s because it should!!

his humanity was taken from him, and in his place, an idol was created. his human body is frozen in stone in the center of the void-- retired. out of commission. no longer needed. he was immortalized, transcended. this is traditionally desired, although dishonored is trying to convince you that it is not actually desirable. in the age of internet content creation, you can be immortalized without even being present, without knowing about it. you become what you can do for other people, and what you cannot. people fall in love with an idea of you, the idea of you being like them, and other people come to hate you deeply without even knowing you. people came to hate the outsider more deeply than he ever had been when he was human-- he wasn’t seen when he was human. a pedestal only helps you to be seen. the outsider had the choice made for him to achieve immortality in exchange for the simple joys of being un-known.

he spends all of doto trying to convey this idea to billie through the hollows:

"There is freedom in being hated. There is license in being cast out. Some learn this lesson a little too well." "These people lay their thoughts, their petty wants, their murderous desires in front of me to witness. I cannot turn away." "We carry what was done to us through the rest of our endless days. No one asked if we wanted it." (i like this one. he speaks for the community-- this is a shared experience, one everyone can recognize. however, as a Queer Figure, he never asked for this. he never asked to be immortalized. i like the double meaning here)

not to mention, the entire extent of the outsider’s Sole ability and influence on the real world is to “choose” people and give them untold power over others. this is a fun ironic twist on what marginalized groups endure from powerful people, (dishonored is largely about power imbalances and socioeconomic hierarchies) but it’s also fun to think about in the context of the role model/fan framing-- so many worshippers give their lives to be “chosen” by him. it’s easily framed as an exaggeration of otherwise very real power imbalances and often the flagrant breaching of boundaries existing between creators and fans.

and on the subject of the VOID...ohht he void.....

the void should be a haven for queer folks. for nd folks. it’s wanted by so many to be a safe space, it should be, it’s the Other World! it’s renounced by the abbey, crusaded against, even. but it isn’t. it’s just this limitless, eons-old horizon that hungers and starves for something to fill it. if the outsider is the lament of queer idolatry, the void is the lament of queer Hunger. it is roaming, and restless. it does not belong to the outsider; the outsider cannot survive without it. it’s the desire to belong, not a place of belonging.

the void craves this idol, this outsider-- i, for one, have often experienced hunger for a truly moral and just role model, someone to make the world Right, and i know this is another shared feeling. those who worship the outsider, who drive themselves mad trying to see him or be chosen by him, are suffering from this idol hunger. you see this in a lot of queer and nd kids and young adults. i grew up just having my life and interests like, punctuated by different fixations on different people that i didn’t know at all, only fell in love with the idea of. it happens a lot.

there’s a couple more doto quotes that really highlight this for me:

"They carve my mark into the old bones bleached by the sun. They carve my mark into their skin. They learn true hunger in the Void." "All these charms, these runes and fetid offerings on shrines made for me, will be nothing more than objects worn of meaning. Bones and dead things, thrown into the dirt."

“They learn true hunger in the Void.” is something that i wanna touch on real quick. people can spend their lives obsessing over the idea of what they think the void will cure for them, will fix in their lives, only to find out that it’s just a hollow manifestation of the emptiness they’ve felt all their lives. it’s not the needs met, but the need itself. you have to make the home, it doesn’t already exist and you can’t fucking run to it. it is heartbreaking, frustrating, one of the bleakest messages i’ve ever encountered in a game, but i’ve never felt more seen. by submitting to these ideas, the idea of a perfect unhuman human and the idea of a perfect otherworldly home, you are surrendering your humanity. you’re not only being transformed by the powers gained (if they are gained), you’re essentially dissolving with hunger after never having these needs met. you see so many people in these games whittling themselves down to nothing but base need. empty apartments occupied only by shrines, sometimes containing their corpses. journals of people dedicating their lives to the worship of the outsider, always ending darkly. "I will find this empty place. Somehow the key to open the Void will fall into my hands. In time, I will learn the secret and he will call to me as he called to her."

not to mention The New Envisioned-- prolonged exposure to the void will always, without fail, turn a human into silver void stone. these creatures can no longer interact with or acknowledge the mortal world. they have surrendered themselves to hunger, and cannot be saved. this is celebrated by the cult, honored by them, even. i honestly like....i pity them, and i hate them, and i recognize that i’ve been those people, lmao. when i was at my worst as a teenager, i wasnt so much a person as i was just a shell full of hunger and heartbreak. my personality was defined by who i was a fan of. i think i definitely was Less Human then. the cult of the outsider is a universal experience!!

dishonored, at its core, is a celebration of humanity. it asks you to celebrate human emotion and weakness despite greed and bigotry. the powers are not to be wanted, they are to be ignored, refused. it is human to hunger, but it is Queer and Divergent to make hunger your life’s meaning, to need to learn the secret, find the key, be chosen and loved and cherished, to be made whole by some perfect thing. to find your humanity in something un-human. dishonored sees all that, mourns it with you, and then asks you to find humanity in each other !! love the spine of your lover, the blood draining down the docks, the pause to stretch languidly in the sun of a work day.

and finally...on the topic of outsider shipping....i dont think that, in his god form, it does him much justice to be shipped with anyone. he’s not much of a person, just a projection of his former self and a vehicle for his allegory as discussed-- im sure he could be shipped like this, but it just isn’t satisfying to me in any way. however, let’s talk a bit about his lethal and nonlethal ending. DOTO asks you to make a choice. is it better to give him an abrupt and merciful ending, after deciding that the fury he’s endured at the hands of others�� famine is too much trauma for any mortal to live with? or will you decide that it’s only fair to give him a chance to live the life he never got to, to return his humanity that was taken without his consent? if you choose to free him from the void, i think you can very very easily make the argument that he can be shipped with corvo, or anyone else that can easily be shipped w/ ppl. he’s finally free to live his life as a queer man, can explore the simple and complex joys of being human with other people, navigate the hills and valleys he never got to before. corvo’s just a nice pick bc 1) experienced human/inexperienced human is good, 2) they know each other, but they don’t. this is a good setup. 3) corvo is an older queer man and uhh you cant convince me otherwise lol! and older queer/younger queer is a self indulgence for me. also corvo is just nice. i think he would enjoy helping the outsider navigate his new humanity.

just some thoughts i have running through my head all hours of the day :) this is really long cuz its a combination of a lot of infodumps from discord lmfao

#m #doto #death of the outsider #dishonored #Anonymous #long post

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bartsugsy · 5 years

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anyway here’s my opinion on litetally everything. no one asked but i still answered bc i’m bored:

me and kate @snowbasttien rewatched wedding - present last weekend and had a great time, it was great, would encourage everyone to rewatch and bask in robron going on some insane emotional journeys and being in love - on rewatch we both agreed that the story felt pretty balanced to us, likely because we didn’t have to deal with the hiatuses in between, but i suppose that differs person to person

but it reminded me how much good potential the ellis/billy stuff has when it’s interweaved with robron and that’s exciting

i’m enjoying it sm rip

re yesterday’s ep:

robert has this big habit of trying to play god with the people around him in order to get his way. it’s not a good thing and there’s a reason why aaron would be pissed about it. they’re married, yes, but robert once again took the decision to act on something affecting aaron without talking to aaron first

although frankly he wasn’t even that mad and f r a n k l y it was 90% foreplay prove me wrong

aaron inviting ellis to move in on the cheap just to spite his husband (but in a sexy way)? iconic

foreplay at its finest

they boned about that later that night

aaron spent a solid 2 hours telling rob he might not ever get to touch his dick again

rob: :(

aaron, already pouncing on robert: fine ily

circling back to robert’s literal god complex

rmr when robert destroyed gordon’s letter and aaron was so upset, because rob made a decision for aaron that honestly was aaron’s to make. rob thought he was doing the right thing but mostly he was just taking aaron’s agency away.

which is exactly what he’s doing here. aaron is telling robert he’s fine and is going to work on finding a way to accept billy living in the village and even if that’s a fucking bold faced lie, it’s still not robert’s place to take aaron’s decision out of his hands

and again, i feel monumentally bad for robert, because aaron historically has had issues with not talking about his feelings - and this has almost always led to aaron doing something dangerously reckless, or making horrible choices. like, i too would be concerned and want to encourage him to open up more.

but maybe instead encouraging therapy would be a better way to go lmao

rather than just deciding to slap a “quick fix” on the problem (that relies on people acting the way you want them to) (oh robert) (a little puppet master boy) (he just loves aaron and wants to protect him :( my sons)

so anyways i feel bad for them both

and i don’t think aaron is quite as a ok as he keeps saying lmao

maybe he’ll be fine forever

maybe i’ll just write some fic about it

that i will never finish

maybe productivity will take over my body we don’t know

maybe aaron will flip and do something terrible who knows

also i mentioned this earlier but so rarely do i feel compelled to root for robert’s schemes to actually work bc it’s much funnier to watch him scramble around for increasingly insane solutions

but graham.... bleh

like i genuinely think if joe was here rather than replacement-joe i might at least enjoy the home farm scenes slightly more bc all i can think at the moment is

how much of a 180 graham’s character took as soon as joe left lmao

it’s so silly and inconsistent and i don’t care enough about graham to fix it with meta lol

robert is a moron but no one can say he’s not pretty fuckin tough to go up against when he wants to be

he used homophobia accusations to get off of a murder charge he’s a fuckin icon

graham doesn’t know him though so maybe he doesn’t really know this

idk i guess i support robert crushing graham to pieces, joe rolling over in his grave and graham being so embarrassed that he disappears forever

bye g-dog

it’s much more fun to watch robert go up against people i care about lmao

where’s lachlan

having said this, i would be down with watching things get worse for robert before ultimately getting better? depends on how long they wanna string this out for i guess?

i’ve just realised how long this post is but i have MORE THINGS TO SAY

i think people were talking yesterday about how aaron isn’t contributing to the surrogacy fund and bc i missed the discourse i didn’t get to put my opinion forward on that

which is that one might assume that if you’re discussing a big and costly life decision, the natural reaction a couple might have would be to sit down, make a little savings plan, talk finances etc

aaron got as far as “it’s expensive” and robert was immediately like FEAR NOT MY LOVE I AM GOING TO GET US MONEY VIA CRIME

to which aaron was like sigh this is the man i have married

yes it is aaron you knew this about him going in

rob was determined and aaron does trust robert, for whatever reason, so he’s letting rob do this shit (on the caveat that aaron gets veto power on the stunts robert wants to pull)

i don’t really think that aaron contributing via crime makes sense for the character - yes he’s a dodgy little shit but historically, aaron committing crime has always been tied to aaron having some sort of breakdown lmao. he’s done a lot of work to like... not do that lmao. he’s morally grey in a different (and lesser) way than robert and always has been since day one. i just... idk i suppose i don’t understand the need for him to be an entirely different character lmao. i like that he’s marginally objectively better as a person than robert - but still not quite good enough that he actively opposes robert doing crime things

it’s an interesting point of growth in their relationship since 2016 when aaron really was just

not ok with any of rob’s litany of insnae schemes lmao at any point lmao

which resulted in a lot of break ups lolol

now they’re so much more comfortable in their relationship and in each other and aksjskjdjdjd beautiful it’s beautiful

no one even tried 2 divorce the other 😭 2016 ROBRON ARE SHAKING

THEY COULD NEVER

but honestly i just don’t see where robert gave aaron space to contribute outside of doing crime which aaron isn’t running to do

thankfully

particularly given how boldly arrogant and poorly hidden robert and nicola’s plans were lmao

that shit isn’t aaron’s forte anyway is it

he’s more about

stealing things

except he gets caught doing that a lot lmao

maybe he shouldn’t crime

having said this i love that he’s getting involved this week now that things have gotten to a point of genuine crisis

that’s when i think it makes sense for him to join in

or like... minor things, reluctantly and out of love for robbo

not because he just enjoys fucking people over when he sees the opportunity to lmao

i’m into it

this post is so long and i’m not even sorry

i have more feelings but i’m gonna stop here

in conclusion the secret to a long relationship is inviting ur sister in law’s boyfriend to live next door and pay cheap rent just to make ur husband mad as sexy foreplay

tyfyt

#robron #long post #lmao this is excessive but i had some FREE TIME OK #(....not at all true im neglecting so many things to write this)

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askthetotallynotsquad · 5 years

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so Jeremy what's ur kink

Jeremy: uh- the thing closest to that is I sometimes wear cat ears and stuff- and collars- but that’s it dude- I’m not that weird

Michael: JEREMY IS A FURRY

Jeremy: YOU’RE THE ONE WHO GOT A NOSEBLEED WHEN I HAD A COLLAR ON

Michael: BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING HOT

Jeremy: o-oh h-heh *v v v v v red*

Michael: *v v v v v red*

Jeremy: *puts on cat ears and a collar ;)*

Michael: *v v v v v v v v red*

Jeremy: if you get a nosebleed-

Michael: if you don’t sHUT UP *v v v v v v red ;”)*

Jeremy: I would put on a dress but your face can’t get any redder

Michael: sSSSSSTOP BULLYING ME *v v v v v v v red*

Jeremy: *rings the bell on his collar* mikeyyyyy~

Michael: Jeremy stoppppp *v v v v v v v v red*

Jeremy: *sits next to thy michael* never~

Michael: jeremy qUIT iT *rrrrred*

Jeremy: but Mikeyyyy~

Michael: stopppp *:((* *redredredredred*

Jeremy: okayyy *kisses thy michael*

Michael: *hughughughughug*

Jeremy: I’m sowwy for being kinkyyyy

Michael: it’s fineeee *cling*

Jeremy: *picks up thy micheel* is my baby tireddd

Michael: yyyeah *leech*

Jeremy: do you want me to hold you or put you down, so you can sleep?

Michael: I want yyyou *cling*

Jeremy: you’re clearly really tired bub- *plays with his hair* go to sleep...I love you

Michael: *cccccling* *sleep úwù*

Later: wassup

Jeremy: *blasting Billie bc he can*

Michael: *awaken* jeremy it’s too lOUDD

Jeremy: *stops dancing and turns the music off* fineeeee *flops on the couch*

Michael: it’s cold in this house what the hell do you do in here

Jeremy: I blast music and run around the house in my cat slippers

Michael: why the fuck is it so cOLD JEREMY ARE YOU ELSA OR SOME SHHHIT

Jeremy: I was her for Halloween one time-

Michael: yes jeremy I remember I bet the costume still fits you

Jeremy: it does-

Michael: babe go become Elsa

Jeremy: ugh *goes to get the dress*

Michael: *plays Minecraft on his phone*

Jeremy: *comes back with the dress on* I hate this michael-

Michael: *cOUGH* *WHEEZE* OH MY GOD

Jeremy: SHUSH

Michael: LET IT GO LET IT GO

Jeremy: *still has the cat ears and collar on bc he never took them off??*

Michael: *WHEEZE* YOURE FURRY ELSA

Jeremy: I will be kinky again Michael-

Michael: go ahead

Jeremy: you like me when I’m like that?!-

Michael: sure why not

Jeremy: I- oh hello no *changes into a sweater bc fall*

Michael: HAPPY HALLOWEEN

Jeremy: Michael calm down- my dad is sleeping-

Michael: HAPPY HALLOWEEN

Jeremy: Michael! Stop!

Michael: nO

Jeremy: Michael I swear to god- *kisses him v intensely*

Michael: *kiss owo*

Jeremy: that’s one way to get you to stop yelling-

Michael: PENIS

Jeremy: *pins him against the wall* stop

Michael: PENIS

Jeremy: Michael stop

Michael: no why should I

Jeremy: I don’t maybe because I don’t want my dad to wake up?

Michael: why not

Jeremy: because- I’m not supposed to have people over right now, but you’re here so he can’t know

Michael: ew why are you not allowed to have people over

Jeremy: I don’t know- just please be quiet *kiss owo*

Michael: fineeeeee *v long kiss uwu*

Jeremy: this is kinda hot Michael-

Michael: I’m aware~~

Jeremy: but like- I kinda have you pinned against a wall- so I’m kinda topping you

Michael: would you rather it be the other way around?~~~

Jeremy: *v v v v v red* m-m-maybe

Michael: *pIns jerome against the wall* bAm

Jeremy: o-o-oh *v v v v v red*

Michael: *v v v v v v v long kiss owo*

Jeremy: *moans OOPS TEEHEE XD OWO MICHEEL PACKSON*

Michael: *v v v v v v v v v v long kiss OWO ÚWÙ XD*

Mr. Heere: *walks in* OH- USE PROTECTION BOYS! *leaves*

Michael: *wHEEZE*

Jeremy: DAD I WAS HAVING A GOOD MOMENT!

Michael: *wHEEZE* oH MY GOD

Mr.Heere: *walks downstairs* I’m sorry but Michael looked really into it so I’ll let you two continue- Michael just make sure Jeremy can walk after

Michael: *cOUGH* *WHEEZE* I CANT BREATHE

Mr. Heere: save your air child- Jeremy can get very into things- I hear him sometimes-

Michael: *wHeeze* oH MY GOD *fAlls over*

Jeremy: DAD GO AWAY!!

Mr. Heere: have fun kids *walks downstairs*

Jeremy: what the hell just happened-

Michael: *WHEEZE* JEREMY THAT WAS-

Jeremy: THAT WAS LITERALLY EVERYTHING IVE EVER DREAMED OF UNTILL MY DAD WALKED IN-

Michael: YOURE SO HORNY

Jeremy: SHUT UP

Michael: *ssstands up* are you okay??

Jeremy: that was the most embarrassing thing ever- I thought that was going somewhere-

Michael: it’s okay *kisses the Jerome’s forehead*

Jeremy: I’m not trying to be kinky but- that was amazing-

Michael: I know *pat*

Jeremy: we should do that more-

Michael: mhmmm

Jeremy: sorry about my dad- he always thinks we’re gonna do it when we kiss-

Michael: it’s okay- it’s extremely funny

Jeremy: *pushes him against the wall and kisses him ;)*

Michael: *spins around a pIns jerome to a wall???* get rekt n00b *v v v v v v v v long kiss owo*

Jeremy: back to this again?~

Michael: oh shut up-

Jeremy: never~ *kiss owo*

Michael: *puts his arms around Jerome’s neck ;”)* *kkkkkkkkiss*

Jeremy: *wraps his arms around around thy Michael’s waist;))*

Michael: stop being so fUCKING tall-

Jeremy: do I need to pick you up??

Michael: fUck no- let’s just- like- move to the couch or something- so you’re not a fUCKING GIANT

Jeremy: I’m sorry I’m so tall *sits on the couch*

Michael: *jUmps ontop of jerome* hiiii~

Jeremy: *is like laying down now bc micchael jumped on him??* hellooo~

Michael: *v v v v v v v v v v long kiss ;))))*

Jeremy: *puts his hand in Michael’s hair;)*

Michael: *wraps his arms around Jerome’s waist ;;;)*

Jeremy: *kisses his neck and accidentally gives him a ;)))*

Michael: *oopsie woopsie pulls Jerome’s hair ;”)*

Jeremy: *moans oops XD teehee frosty bby*

Michael: *runs his hands through Jerome’s hair XD heehee*

Jeremy: *blush man teehee*

Mr. Heere: kids dinner is done! You can continue after- make sure you clean up!

Michael: *fAlls off the jerome* ouchies

Jeremy: oh my god! Are you okay *half on the couch half on the ground-*

Michael: I’m fine- my neck hurts, JEREMY

Jeremy: well I’m sorry!- *walks downstairs to get food*

Mr. Heere: michael, you might want to cover your neck- theres multiple uh-

Michael: yes I’m aware tell your son to calm down next time

Mr. Heere: don’t act like you didn’t enjoy it kid, I heard noises up there

Michael: yeah I know

Mr. Heere: Jeremy, son, I know you want to be inside him but calm down next time

Jeremy: DAD WHAT THE HELL

Michael: mr heere I hate to inform you but your son’s a bottom

Mr. Heere: well then I’m surprised he doesn’t have any marks on him

Michael: he’s too damn tall

Mr. Heere: *making eggs??* then sit in his lap or something- I’m just very surprised- Jeremy always talks about how he wants to be marked!

Jeremy: D-D-DAD!

Michael: marked in what way? you see, Jeremy’s a furry

Mr. Heere: yes, I know- the ladies at Victoria’s Secret always look at me when I have to buy collars for him-

Michael: Ugh jeremy needs to learn how to be an independent man and buy his kinky shit himself

Jeremy: the ladies tried hitting on me when I did!

Michael: how do you think your dad feels, jEREMY? He’s a crunchy old man- no offense

Mr. Heere: non taken kid

Jeremy: well I’m sorry I like cat stuff!

Michael: mY BOYFRIEND IS A FURRY

Jeremy: true

Mr. Heere: yeah but you love him

Michael: I don’t know how

Jeremy: *gasp* wow rude

Michael: well I mean you were rude to me on Halloween soooo-

Jeremy: ......*looks down*

Michael: I’m sorry-

Jeremy: I’m sorry babe..*hugs him from the side*

Michael: no I’m sorry-

Jeremy: it’s okay *kisses his head*

Michael: *hughughughughug*

Jeremy: *sits at the table and puts Michael on his lap, facing the table and has his arms around him bc uwu*

Michael: *holds Jeremy’s arm?? oKay*

Jeremy: *rests his head on top of michaels*

Michael: you’re so sssoft *leech*

Jeremy: mmhmmm

Mr. Heere: boys just make sure if you do that again keep the door closed

Michael: yeah wwwwhatever *clings to Jerome’s arm :”)*

Jeremy: *kisses the Michael’s cheek from behind??*

Michael: *kisses Jerome’s hand :”)*

Mr. Heere: michael if your mothers don’t need you home anytime you are welcomed to sleepover! I was going to take Jeremy to the mall tomorrow if you want to come- but that means you’ll have to go into Victoria’s Secret with him

Michael: ew I don’t wanna be a furry with Jeremy

Jeremy: Michael I won’t let you have my arm

Michael: *:”(* nooooo *cLING*

Jeremy: that’s what I thought

Mr. Heere: are you sure Jeremy’s a bottom Michael?

Michael: you think this twig of a man could top

Mr. Heere: indeed I do

Jeremy: see michaelll

Michael: I’m way too tired for this *cccling*

Jeremy: okay c’mon baby *picks him up but Michael still has his arm* where do you want to sleep?

Michael: *oopsie woopsie already asleep* *also still has jerem’s arm*

Jeremy: oh- okay then *sits on his bed and tries to put Michael down without waking him up*

Michael: nnnooooo- *clings onto jerem’s arm*

Jeremy: hhh okay okay *sits on the bed and puts Michael back in his lap*

Michael: *clingclingcling* *sLeep*

THUNDER: WASSUPPPPP

Power: bye

Michael: *:”(* it’s LOUD

Jeremy: it’s okay babe...*plays with his hair bc it calms him down??*

Michael: *shoves his face into jerem’s shirt*

Jeremy: shhh...it’s okay

Michael: I’m tireddddd *cling*

Jeremy: *puts a blanket over the michael*

Michael: Jeremy hug mE

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