#but like they are the wrong kind of dysfunctional in the modeen comics yk

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i hate that modern batfam comics have them feel so sanitized and their problems seem a lot less nuanced and they don't really argue in the same way they used to

like in older comics the reason they were arguing always stemmed from the fact that they were a family and now it feels more like they are arguing despite it which is very different actually and they function too much like a cohesive unit

take gotham war and bruce wayne murderer

both feature a sort of divide in the batfam caused by Bruce acting violently in bruce wayne murderer the batfam divide feels a lot more real and individualized:

Tim and Babs are less believing of Bruce they default to their detective skills and try and stay objective Babs especially is constantly reminding everyone that there is a chance Bruce did do the murder but despite being more sceptical they do most of the heavy lifting in finding proof that he was innocent while still being critical of Bruce and expressing annoyance with him for not letting them help and they don't actually want him to be guilty

On the other hand you Dick and Cass who really don't want to believe that Bruce would betray his ideals like this and come into conflict with Tim and Babs due to this difference in perspective more specifically Tim and Dick and Dick and Babs argue about it several times but they are both also frustrated with Bruce and do have to question their stances

all major bats who knew Bruce's identity had a part to play with even Alfred and Leslie being given unique individual views on the situation (believing he's innocent and could be possibly guilty respectively)

then in gotham war you have a brief scene of some of the bats complaining about Bruce and then they all fight him later with the exception of Damian for no real reason and the story doesn't really seem to care

it's just boring and lazy and the pull of batfam is that these are emotionally fucked up people who are a family and they aren't a healthy one but their family none the less and it was nuanced and interesting

and now they're just like slightly emotionally constipated or something

when i say that modern batfam are too nice to each other in modern comics I am not saying that batfam were always terrible and hated each other in older comics what i mean is that were messy their relationships and way of doing things were messy and toxic and the thing that made them stand out back them was that they were toxic and co-dependent but yet there was never any actual question on whether they love eachother... because of course they do how could they not

#idk if my point is coming across right #but like they are the wrong kind of dysfunctional in the modeen comics yk #like they were almost unquestionably a family #but they were also so so co dependant #and everyone got that #and now it feels like they're trying to convince me or something #how tf do i tag this #batman #batfamily #batfam #dc critical #second's comic corner