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What is the top thing that messed you up and made you super angry with tmnt 2012? I know there are loads but what ranks at the top for you? This isn’t an accusation post or anything, mine was how Splinter treated every non-Leo and raised soldiers and called them sons (side eyeing the lone rat and Cubs episode and setting it on fire 🔥) so just curious on your one.

wow okay that’s a loaded question. i have a lot of issues with 2012, but i’ll give you my highlights. (long post, apologies.)

big starting issue: bad interpersonal dynamics.

they started so strong with the brother-brother relationships, and over time they dissolved into something that barely resembled familial closeness (i’ll talk even more about that later). there were multiple instances where serious fights and conflicts between the brothers got swept under the rug and ignored, and that is a major failing of writing.

also, shitty romance attempts. i ship capritello, but the individual components of that for capril and apritello were presented blandly at best, and uncomfortably at worst. and don’t even get me started on all the hinting and teasing with leorai, which, by the way, is incest no matter how people spin it.

they started good with all of these things (if heavy handed with apritello) and by the end of the series… nothing was given any resolution! there was no awkward talk between Leo and Karai to put to rest their weird relationship, no final sit down and conclusion to the capritello trio’s mess of feelings, and on the topic of romance, “ramona” her name is Y’Gythgba dammnit was a flaming disaster from start to finish.

so family relationships went bad, romance went bad, and none of the fights or overtures were every concluded.

next issue: the absolutely minuscule pool of reoccurring female characters and their treatment.

is it honestly so hard to give another five or so female characters, when the cast is made up of like sixty+ men? or!!! let any of them do things in the show besides be sometimes literally plot devices? even Karai, who had spent all of the seasons building up to taking revenge for what Shredder did to her, and was an incredibly dangerous and highly independent fully trained kunoichi, got her character arc stolen by Leo. or, you know, was reduced to being a damsel in distress every time Leo so much as breathed in the same scene as her.

And let’s not even talk about how Y’Gythgba, this badass soldier of a warrior planet, was similarly reduced to a romance object; who got to fire her gun like twice a scene and then wait for the turtles to save her. OR, how they claimed Shinigami was younger than all the cast members, (17), and yet endowed her and sexualized her like she was 20+. (and she hardly got to do anything cool, either.)

and April, sweet glorious murderous April, who was literally designed to conquer entire worlds, who did Some Cool Shit, but was never treated with the proper fear or respect she deserved. i wanted less of her being fawned over as a romance goal and more of her punching people in their teeth. (actually, i wanted that in general for all the ladies of the cast.)

they could have done so much more with all these wonderful ladies (and given us MORE OF THEM, THANKS) and they did not. assholes.

issue three: dropped plot lines.

i’m not the best at remembering every single dropped plot line in tmnt ( @hotmilkytea has an entire post for it and she has blessed us with that) but there was a metric fuck ton of unresolved plot and character arcs. the writers left so many loose ends you could make a wig out of them. (not just the romance ones i mentioned above, but ones that had world scale effects. just dropped and never spoken of again. shameful.)

they had an entire board of writers working for them. keeping continuity should not have been so hard for them.

biggest issue i had, and still have: abusive familial relationships.

now i know a lot of people might disagree with me on this- heck, majority of those people would strongly disagree with this- but i have my opinion and this is how i see the big picture.

they didn’t start out like that, certainly. they actually had very realistic sibling-sibling dynamics in the first season! it was only after that that things started to go downhill. but as the seasons went on, a lot of the fun and love of the Hamato family dynamic got written out.

there was a steady increase of physical violence, especially towards Mikey, and a steady increase of emotional manipulation, especially towards Donnie. and, it became very clear that Splinter only put real effort into teaching and loving Leo, somewhat towards Raph, and nearly nothing to Donnie and Mikey. its neglectful, how Splinter treated the B-team, and its downright abusive, how the A-team treated their siblings.

just…. the things that used to be gags got very serious in implications, and there were never apologies for hurtful words or actions. Mikey actively was flinching away and getting ready for hits by the third season, and Donnie just accepted every criticism given to him, as well as keeping quiet when his glory got stolen. (Donnie’s brothers claiming victory with his inventions, and Mikey burying his anger and hurt not five seconds after each conflict. that happened at least every two episodes.)

its not that hard to write a loving family that teases and roughhouses without it going bad. i’m very disappointed in 2012 for failing so thoroughly on that highly vital aspect of the turtles.

i wrote a fanfic that really expresses my views on things, which is still ongoing and will go into deep depth on all of these issues. check it out if you want a better idea.

i think that’s all my biggest problems with tmnt, though i know i had a few more about stereotyping and lack of true racial diversity.

honestly, after the disappointment tmnt 2012 turned out to be on almost all accounts, i’m very concerned how 2018 tmnt is going to go. i’m sincerely hoping i don’t see any more of what i listed above in the next animation, but considering my doubts about Nickelodeon, i am not overly hopeful.

#ask the writer #tmnt #tmnt 2012 #Why I Hate Ciro - a seven part novel series by me #this is the pocket novella version for your viewing pleasure #*deep sigh*#we could have had it aaaaaaaaaaaall

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zoetekohana · 7 years

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I finally watched “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows” and I wrote down all my reactions:

Here it goes... COWABUNGA MY TURTLE DUDES.

Ooooh I love the use of ninja throwing stars for the Paramount stars.

I’m also digging the music.

TURTLE FORMATION

Omg, Mickey, no squirrel formation. (I don’t want to see those creepy squirrels from the 2012 series.)

Honestly, even though the plot of the 2014 film wasn’t great (hopefully this one will be better), they had the personalities down to a tee, and it’s great to see that’s still the case.

The way they depict the sibling relationship between Leo, Raph, Donnie and Mickey is so awesome to watch. Not to forget: the fact that they actually act like teenagers is such a plus.

Case in point: Donnie repeatedly telling Raph to “do it do it do it do it do it [the shellskateboarding thing]”. I love it.

Hahahaah, Kevin the pizza guy. Such a nice Kevin Eastmann cameo!

Donnie: “When I say Knicks you say Go.” I’m reminded of the failed “When I say Vol you say Tron.” speech. But at least the bros got it right.

Vern The Falcon? Oh no....

Hahaha, shooting the little spit balls at Vern and then mimicking his falcon. See, such teenagers.

APRIL IS CALLING DONNIE.

I REPEAT APRIL IS CALLING DONNIE.

Yes, I ship them. Shush.

Also, that blonde wig + glasses look really good on Megan Fox?

Baxter Stockmann... He’d go with a FLY FORMATION.

Donnie to April: “Do you need us there?” Awwww.

April to Donnie: “That birthday present that you made for me?” AWWW.

Yes, April, explain Baxter the difference between geek and nerd.

Omg, Baxter, that laugh.

Ofc there needs to be some Megan Fox fanservice... /eyeroll (She was pretty badass going undercover, but still that was unnecessary.)

HAHAHA I LOVE THE DONNIE SMILEY FACE ON HER WATCH WHEN THE DOWNLOAD OF THE FILES IS COMPLETE!

Oh no, the pizza slice on the basketball court....

Poor Mikey, he just want to “LIVE UP THERRRREEE. Up there where flowers bloom.” (And now I have that South Park song stuck in my head.)

Also, a Transformers reference, really?

Wait;;; How are the copied files on April’s watch being deleted? She downloaded them? She wasn’t streaming them....

But good on her for discovering that Baxter is working with Shredder (where did that hunch come from though?) and that he + the Foot Clan plan on breaking him out when he’s being transferred.

Casey Jones as a law enforcer? That’s new?

Ngl, I don’t really like that detail. It doesn’t suit him.

BEBOP AND ROCKSTEADY!!!!! :D

It’s not a Michael Bay production without car explosions. /eyeroll (again)

Also, NYC believes that Vern stopped the Shredder. Why didn’t the NY police ask him to accompany this super important transfer?

Hahaha, that tmnt theme’d honk. I LOVE.

Great updates on the Turtle Shell, Donnie.

Raph when taking out the last of three foot bikers: “That’s how I roll. That’s how you roll.”

Why didn’t Raph stay on the bike? He could cover more ground that way.

Soooo, Baxter knows of the Turtles.

I love how personalised the Turtle Shell is.

Hi there, Krang!

So, lemme get this straight: Krang needs the three teleport devices he sent to Earth to join them into an arch capacitor to teleport the Technodrome to Earth to conquer it. But he was able to teleport Shredder to where he was. Something does not add up there...

So many plotholes.

But whatever, I’m still enjoying this. :)

Donnie and April make such a great team.

But how is she going to get to the TCRI’s mainframe? (Also, how is she going undercover everywhere? Isn’t she recognised as a television reporter?)

Chief: “Manhole covers?”

That was some nice exposition on Jones wanting to become a detective. Like really? It was so odd to tell your superior who’s clearly mad at you that.

The casting for Bebop and Rocksteady is so spot on.

It’s still weird not to have the Shredder vs Splinter backstory. It feels like Splinter is just there now? He’s more important than that. :(

Is that barkeep the Vulture from b99?

Quickly looked it up, yep, that’s Dean Winters. :D

It’s not a Turtles movie without some Vanilla Ice. ;)

Reporter thing aside... Why go on this important undercover mission on high heels? Everyone can hear you. That’s not stealthy there, April.

I get that the purple ooze is different (iirc from the 1987 series) - although I’m not a fan of a different kind of mutagen -, but why not mention the green ooze? They have the green mutagen from the previous film that mutated the Turtles and Splinter? Or am I completely remembering the 2014 film wrong?

Also, how did Shredder shoot two darts into two different directions?

Yes, that gun has two barrels, but he shot both darts practically at the same time?

Also, how are they mutating into a warthog and a rhinoceros without the DNA from those animals?

The way they transformed, that sequence, was pretty cool, though.

Hmm, so we all have a dormant animal gen. It’s an explanation for not needing the animal DNA, I guess.

YES TO HBIC APRIL O’NEIL!

So Casey wants to be a detective, but then suits up as the Hockey Vigilante we know and love. That really doesn’t make much sense.

April to Casey: “Stacey Moans?”

Stacey’s mom has got it going on.... And now I’ve got that song stuck in my head, haha.

Amell physically makes a good Casey Jones. But I’m sorry to say, he’s so stiff and mainly has two faces: this :| or this :D. I’m not a big fan of this casting. I’m okay with it, but idk. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And Koteas is forever my favourite Casey Jones.

Casey to the turtles: “Do not eat us humans.” Are we really going with that joke?

I love Mickey’s introduction of the Turtles to Casey. :D

DONNIE’S POSE . <3

Haha, Mikey and Raph keeping Casey out of the huddle.

Leo about Casey: “Raph, grab Friday the 13th.” Great reference.

Casey: “And have the most pretentious names ever.”

”Is it me you’re looking for?” ♫ Omg, Splinter listening to pop ballads. I love. xD

Of course Donnie could turn the ooze so they could become humans.

Don’t keep secrets from your brothers, Leo.

Awww, Mickey. The one who wants to be among humans the most. :(

A Turtle Christmas album?? I WANT!

Leo: “There’s only one vote that counts in this family: Mine!” Harsh, bro.

Awww, ofc Donnie loves museums. :)

Casey to Vern: “See you there.” Mikey to Vern: “See you there.” Vern: “He already said that.” That made me laugh more than it should have.

I love how Leo and Donnie are riding the subway like that.

They’re not monsters. :’(

I want to give Mickey a big hug.

Leo to Splinter: “I can’t get them all on the same page, to think with one mind.” Splinter to Leo: “You shouldn’t want them all to think the same. It’s their different points-of-view that makes the team strong. A good leader understands this. A good brother accepts it.” I love this.

Seriously, the personalities and the interactions are so on point.

Where did Beebs and Rock get a tank???

So many fistbumps in this film, omg.

I forgot to mention this before, but I like that Donnie isn’t as muscle-y as the others. I do like these different personal designs.

Also, Donnie easily jumping to go to the other plane. That was great.

Raph: “What would Vin Diesel do? No regrets, no fear.” Hahahaha.

Whoa, really, shooting from a tank inside a plan? “Dude seriously” is the right reaction.

Also, how is Donnie able to stay inside that open cockpit???

Lbr, Donnie is the mvp in this film.

“THIS PIG IS FLYING!” Hahahahahaha.

Raph seeing that turtle. A reference to Spike, maybe? :D

Okay, that entire river sequence was AWESOME!!!

I wouldn’t change one things about it: from seeing the turtles swim under water, to Raph saving Donnie from the tank missile, to the four of them hiding in their shell (along with that “ploemp” sound effect) when going down the water fall.

Leo (sarcastically): “Thanks, guys. Real time effort.” Wow, way to be a dick there. :/

”Justice comes in all shapes and sizes.” That explains Casey Jones suiting up in his hockey vigilante get-up, I guess. But idk, that little plot could have been written better.

Come on, Vern, you can step up. :)

Oh no, Vern missing the obvious there with the location of the data storage of that hidden camera. hashtag relatable

Leo: “We may be brothers, but we’re not a team.” That hurts....

But that portal technically isn’t your science, Baxter, it’s Krang’s. The names you mentioned might become footnotes, but so would you.

Donnie gathered all that information rather quickly? Unbelievable quickly?

But again, he’s the mvp!

I love that old video console on Donnie’s wrist.

They’re turtles forever. :)

I really thought Shredder was going to say that Baxter would always the same, aka “a fly on the wall” instead of “a footnote”.

Vern: “When something bad happens, you want to be with the turtles.” That is true.

Haha, oh u Shredder. You betrayed Baxter to have all the glory, but you didn’t consider Krang would betray you?

KRANG DOESN’T SHARE FOOD.

Oh, I noticed that Triceration next to Shredder! :D

Wow, Jade spoke for once. :o

I like the way the police protected the Turtles from being seen by the public.

Raph: “SURF’S UP, NY!”

Again with the heels, O’Neil?

I love that shot with the four turtles standing on the edge of the almost finished Technodrome.

Mikey calling Krang “a chewed up piece of gum” and then Leo continuing with “Bubblicious”, haha.

Mickey: “I’m vertical.”

Mickey is the second mvp this film.

I really really love that Donnie and Mickey get most screentime this film.

Great how Casey tricked Beebs and Rock like that. :)

TEAM EFFORT, BB!

Leo: “We got something nobody else has.” Leo, Donnie and Mickey: “Turtle power!” while Raph: “Garbage truck!” Hahahaha.

But seriously: TURTLE POWER!

Finally, April being a reporter again.

Chief to the turtles: “Last name?” Hamato immediately came to mind, tbh.

Some Capril flirting. ;)

HEROES IN A HALF SHELL! ♫

I love the comic style in the end credits.

But see: Splinter’s actor isn’t even mentioned in the special part of the end credits. He deserves better and more.

All in all, despite its flaws (too many expositions or Krang being the main villain with hardly any screentime f.e.), I really enjoyed watching this. It’s so much better than the 2014 one.

(I do hope for actual one on one friendship between Donnie and Mickey next time, though. I love the turtles most together, but separate friendships I love them the most.) (And on that note: Where was my Raph&Casey romance friendship?)

#teenage mutant ninja turtles #tmnt #tmnt out of the shadows #tmnt 2016 #apritello #capril #zoe liveblogs #zoe liveblogs tmnt #i'm so incredibly late watching this i know #unfortunately i didn't get to see this one at the cinema #unlike with the 2014 film #when my stepsis and i got the entire room to ourselves #that was so awesome!#but i'm finally watching it now #because i've been working hard the past couple of days and dealing with a lot of irl stuff #so tonight i'm going to relax by finally watching this #and liveblogging as i watch it

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