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4phr0d17e · 1 year
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i cannot fucking wait to finish this book so i can read all those long ass analysis posts i keep scrolling past. this is phenomenally written. the 2nd person narration??? the complete lack of true introspection that this causes?? the false memories that will eventually come crashing down???? im losing my goddamn mind
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makoden · 1 year
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So 4 chapters in and Harrow the 9th is essentially WH40k mixed with Disco Elysium and a lot more obvious lesbians. I can work with this
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I know it’s all leading up to a serious scene, but I am laughing so hard at the idea of Harrow obsessing over making soup and trying to smile (and terrifying Ianthe in the process)
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goattypegirl · 3 years
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Harrow the Ninth Live Read: Chapter 3-5
Been absolutely lost in the sauce playing Bloodborne lmao.
Chapter 3
Starting off with some cool lore about the Ninth House, and more on Harrow’s backstory. (I am wondering, though. What exactly precipitated the Resurrection? It sounds like a whole solar system worth of people suddenly died; why? How? Something’s fishy...)
And some cool lore about the Body... and her parent’s suicide... Mmm... (two nooses for their cavalier? How tf does that work??)
Oh. Poor Harrow. 
Okay, this kind of confirms what I was thinking last time. Harrow has redacted Gideon from her memory, and partially undone the Lyctor ritual. I’m... pretty sure this isn’t supernatural though. Maybe.
Chapter 4
Okay Harrow’s being murdered. Okay, no she’s not! That’s good.
Did Ianthe do something to her, to make her think she was being murdered? Or is this letter she’s pulling out a suicide note written by Harrow to herself...
Oh nope okay it’s... instructions Lyctor!Harrow wrote? Letter 2 of 24? Where’s the first letter??
“Her resurrection constitutes a fail state and must be avoided at all costs” Beg pardon? Lyctor!Harrow knew she was going to suppress her Lyctorhood, and wanted that? 
“This letter cannot answer questions.” Ah. Thank you, Lyctor!Harrow (As an aside, what’s the deal with Adjective!Name? I’ve seen it a bunch, and it’s usually in reference to AU’s or other states a character can be in, but I picked that up through osmosis, rather than seeing it actually defined anywhere...)
Guideline 1: Stay alive. Ok, with this so far.
Guideline 2: Don’t Go Back to the Ninth House. Ok, matches what the Emperor said. Either the Emperor repeated himself on why and was cool with it, or he’s in on the work, OR Lyctor!Harrow figured it out herself. Interesting.
Guideline 3: Keep the Sword. Huh. It seemed like Harrow was following this during her power-vomit/murder days, as Ianthe put it. The blood and ash treatment is interesting, and not the way you normally take care of a sword? I think?
Guideline 4: You’re Compromised. It occurs to me, I don’t think we’ve seen Harrow do any real necromancy yet. It sounds like she has the souped up power of being a Lyctor... but is she unable to do bone necromancy now? That would be a problem...
Guideline 5: You Owe Ianthe. The fuck is “Favor of the Chain”? The first google result is from a reddit thread about this book that i dare not look at, so. Probably not a common phrase I haven’t heard before. Still, very spooky. 
Guideline 6: Don’t Read the Other Letters. OOOOHHHH this explains the “so you’ve about to die” letter from the prologue!
Guideline 7: Check Out Ianthe’s Jaw. hwat. Just. There’s so many questions. What circumstances would lead to her jaw being replaced? Why would that be disastrous? How is she going to kill Ianthe if it has? OH she’s going to have to smooch her to make sure isnt she.
LMAO I knew it. Okay so the Favor of the Chain is probably just a fancy word for this fealty oath she made. Also, fuck! That’s quite the fealty oath! Okay never mind Harrow just said it’s not that big of a deal. My mistake.
Okay these letters are scary. Eyes changing color seems to be related to being a Lyctor; that’s basically explicitly stated with Ianthe’s deal. Why would Harrow’s eyes changing be such a big deal that it requires a letter to Camilla? Also, Camilla’s still AWOL, right? Also also, I just figured it out. Harrow’s eyes would be yellow, like Gideon’s, and even with her false memories she may know Ortus’s eyes weren’t yellow. 
There’s a joke to be made here somewhere about Master-Stranger Protocols...
So Ianthe seems to think Coronabeth is still alive. Is it just denial or is there something more here? It would tie into the letter to Camilla. 
Okay so she remembers Naberius. 
HEY WHAT THE FUCK. There’s... Mmm... There’s a lot to unpack with the end of this chapter. Ianthe stabbed her hand, then stabbed Harrow’s, and... there’s some questions I have about some of the adjectives used here. Anyway, the real take away here is that Harrow did cast Pin Missile, and the nails stuck in the wall were covered with boxes. By whom? and when? What?
Chapter 5
Another flashback, it looks like. That’s what the sheared Ninth House skull seems to indicate.
Okay, this is the scene of them arriving to Canaan House, from Harrow’s perspective, and with Ortus shoved in. Ortus wondering about the tragedy of living forever is interesting; is this something Harrow wonders about, deep down? 
I can think of one confident and wild fuck you the Ninth House possessed, Harrow.
“The eggs you gave me all died and you lied to me”
…Huh. Does this mean anything? Like, is this going to be relevant later on? 
Also, I just went back and read this scene in Gideon the Ninth. This doesn’t happen at all. It’s not just the scene from Harrow’s perspective, with Ortus shoved in. It’s all something Harrow made up. In fact, here Harrow said she sat on some Ninth House dirt, but in Gideon the Ninth, Gideon specifically says that she read about necromancers doing that in comics, but Harrow just read her prayer beads. 
This is weirder than I thought.
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kkazbreker · 4 years
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Hello I’m reading Harrow The Ninth and-
What! Is! HAPPENING!
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deadandout · 3 years
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harrow the ninth liveread post bc i just know my talkative ass is going to end up making one by accident if i don’t go ahead and do it now
so like… Harrow calling this figure the Body fully smacks of “the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting” right
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passionatememes · 3 years
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I am making a twitter thread liveread about reading harrow the ninth so I won't repeat myself but just know. harrow my beloved I am so incredibly concerned for u
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Harrowhark’s first letter, to Harrowhark: hello, me, you incompetent, listen closely, you hateful little gremlin
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older Lyctors: * having semi-silent conversation consisting mainly of facial expressions *
Harrow & Ianthe, watching: * exchange “I don’t even know, weird silent communication right?” speaking look *
Harrow: OH NO IT’S STARTING
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Harrow’s really just like. “Yes, I consider myself in love with a ten thousand year old preserved corpse that lives in a preservation tomb under a rock whose ghost may or may not haunt me. Yes, I think necrophilia is creepy and gross. No, these two things do not in any way conflict.” 
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Still thinking about how Ianthe’s idea of like. A fun prank. Was to vandalize Harrow’s hair follicles while Harrow was unconscious from giving herself a lobotomy. 
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There's a difference between keeping a shredded dance card and saving the last dance
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Harrow: ugh my hair grows so fast now is this my one (1) Lyctor thing?
(in the past) 
Ianthe: * making Harrow’s hair grow extra fast when healing Harrow after she gave herself a lobotomy * hehehehehehehehe
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Harrow: this is the worst party I have ever been to and that is saying something since all parties are awful 
Harrow: I have had to endure drinking wine (gross) and watching people stick their tongues in each others’ mouths (grosser), and one of those people being god (grossest)
Harrow: so glad to go stab someone
Ianthe: I could kiss you now?
Harrow: you could not, I am in a committed relationship with a ten thousand year old tomb ghost
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goattypegirl · 3 years
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Harrow the Ninth Live Read: Chapter 6-11
Con: It’s been a while
Pro: We finished part 1!
Con: this post is hella long now.
Chapter 6
Eighth House icon. Oh no. Gotta say, not a fan of the characters from the Eight House in Gideon the Ninth, whose names I now forget. There was Big Dude and Mayonnaise Twink. 
OH OK WE’RE STARTING OFF WITH SOME LOCKED IN SYNDROME SHIT. 
So, panicked person wheeling Harrow is given the title “Sacred Hand.” I vaguely recall seeing that before; is that a title given to Lyctors? Is this one of the OG Lyctors finally making an appearance? Wheeling the frozen Harrow to the Emperor to “unfuck accordingly?” Well, maybe not. Presumably another Lyctor would be able to “unfuck accordingly” themselves.
Oh disregard it is a Lyctor! And if we go back to the Dramatis Personae, this should be... Mercymorn! Originally of the Eighth House! She seems nice.
“It was his order that she not be touched.” Did the Emperor do this? But hwhy?
Calling Harrow and Ianthe babies is kind of hilarious. Aaaand Mercymorn just knocked this random person unconscious. OH wait is this the person the Emperor said to make static-y noises at? Survey says... maybe? They were called the Saint of Joy, which seems a unique title?
The whole description of the Lyctor and the way she visually dissects Harrow is so poetic, but something else catches my eye here. Harrow says her eyes did not have such a startling transition, which helps confirm my theory that Harrow is suppressing or undid the Lyctor process.
Also using the power of Cringe, Harrow partially(?) undoes the paralysis spell done to her. “An emotion was playing out over her face that was- not unfamiliar to you- but nonsensical; you discarded it.” Eh? What emotion could this be referring to? Confusion over what Harrow did? Awe? Fear? All of the above?
OH okay before I forget, Harrow formed a bone hook inside of her to do that, and she made that bone sheath to hold on to the sword, so maybe her necromancy isn’t being suppressed? Well, maybe. That feels more... internal? Like she hasn’t grown any full ass skeletons from bone dust yet.
...Why is Harrow afraid of telling Mercymorn her actual age? Why is the Body telling her to lie? Why fifteen??
Relief? That’s what flashed across Mercymorn’s face? Oh, duh, because Harrow did that and didn’t immediately die. Duh. Also she straight up said “hiss”? That is weird. Also, thinking back, it is weird there wasn’t an age requirement in the Lyctor trials. Also Mercymorn took Ianthe too???
“You’re not as pretty as Anastasia.” Anastasia being the member of the Ninth House listed with the Lyctors, but not as one of the Saints. Doing this liveread has its advantages, namely that I can remember shit that happened earlier! 
OH WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. “AS Anastasia,” not “As Anastasia was.” Implying Anastasia’s still alive? Matches her name not being struck through in the Dramatis Personae, and Mercymorn said there were 3 OG Lyctors now. Which matches with Anastasia not having that line about being a Saint! I’ve connected the two dots!
Okay there’s a lot going on here. Why is this normal necromancer so fascinating to Ianthe and Harrow? What she’s doing is pretty dope to be fair. Mercymorn called Ianthe 12... which... huh. More on that in a second. First, I need to google what the fuck an animaphiliac is... probably in an incognito window. Oh, okay, it’s just a style of necromancy in this universe okay thank God. Mercymorn also said Ianthe wasn’t as attractive as Cyrus... which is weird... And it reminds Ianthe of being with Mummy... I assume she means her mother, comparing her to Coronabeth? Oof.
So, back to the lowballing age thing. Mercymorn assumes Ianthe is 12, probably  because she’s super old and has forgotten how mortals age. Harrow seems to have subconsciously picked up on this, which is why she lied about her age. I’m still in the camp of the Body being non-supernatural in origin. Yes, she has Gideon’s eyes, BUT, she spoke in the voice of Harrow’s mother and Aiglamene. SO, my theory is that the Body is a product of the trauma Harrow’s gone through, that’s kind of externalizing Harrow’s inner thought process. Like I said earlier, I’ve read Twig, and this is reminiscent of that.
OH hey we’re headed to the frontline apparently? Because 3 warships got shot down suddenly? Which begs the question I’ve had in the back of my mind since first picking up this series, who the fuck are they fighting??? Probably not Ressurection Beasts, given what we know about them. Other humans, probably? Dominicus (probably) isn’t Earth or humanity’s home planet. 
Okay, hold up. The Emperor is trying to get to the frontline now, Mercymorn wants him to return to “the Mithraeum”, which is presumably the capital of the Empire outside of the Dominicus system? Also, Emperor’s been on the ship for 80 years, and been away from the Mithraeum for 100... Once again, the math’s not adding up...
Okay, so God hugs Mercymorn, she freezes, he confirms that he is leaving, and that he knows exactly who shot down 3 warships???
Okay cool we’re not headed to the fronline, we’re headed to the Mithraeum, whatever the fuck that is.
Ohhh and the Cohort necromancer girl died, or committed suicide? And the Emperor brought her back? ...There’s a story there.
Ohhhh Mom and Dad are fighting.
OKAY ONCE AGAIN A LOT TO UNPACK HERE BUT THE MITHRAEUM CAN ONLY BE REACHED BY ONE MEANS???? AND IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH BEING A LYCTOR???
...Hey. So. Here’s something. In the description of Mercy’s sword, it says it has a white knob at the end of, and I quote “-you didn’t know the exact technical word. It was a pommel though.” There’s a disconnect there, between Harrow’s knowledge, and the narrator’s knowledge. This has happened a few other times, like just a few pages ago, Harrow says a room is used for bodily functions, but the narrator jumps in and says no one in the universe would call it that, it’s a toilet. And this is going to sound kind of batshit, but like 6 years ago i was in to Undertale, and there was a popular theory that the narrator in that game was a separate character from the PC and... a lot of the points used in that theory kinda ring true here... even the use of second person narration...
So the narrator is a separate character from Harrow? Now, whether this narrator exists in-universe, or if this is a really cool stylistic choice, is another story. Right now I’m leaning towards... I don’t know. Well, hm. If the Body is a kind of externalization of Harrow’s inner thought process, maybe the narrator is an internalization? 
That makes no sense.
Something to keep in mind.
Anyway, the shuttle detaches. There’s a sort of irony, in God being tired of people martyring themselves for him, but giving a speech saying “hey if you die in my service I love you.”
OKAY I think we’re about to go faster than light using necromancy? This should be good. OH OKAY WE’RE TAKING A SHORTCUT THROUGH HELL. COOL.
...so what was their original method of faster than light travel that turned out to be unusable? did it have to do with neutrinos in italy?
okay I love Mercy and the Emperor’s dialogue here. Again, objectively, I’m sure they’re bad people who have committed several warcrimes... but the way they bicker is just hilarious.
I’m googling hyperpotamus, and i’m only getting other Harrow the Ninth livereads, so it appears to be a term made for the book. But I have a terrible feeling it’s a pun on hippopotamus.
There are so many quotes here that I absolutely love, including “said the Lord of the Nine Houses, who apparently existed within a complex power dynamic.”  and “The magma metaphor falls apart from here.” 
...Oh. Okay, serious time. Even at the very start, just post-Resurrection, two of the Lyctors fell to the Resurrection Beasts. Well, one died, and one was “removed from play.” Which sounds horrifying.
So we’re dipping into Hell because you can move fast there. Hell is full of angry ghosts. This explains the ghost ward. Lyctors have hacked the system, and so can kind of survive there. And we learn what happened to Cassiopeia, one of the deceased Lyctors. (Interestingly enough it says she baited physical portions of the Ressurection Beast. Not a beast. Nor is it given a number...)
ALright so entering the River physically sounds fucking horrifying. I’m very glad we only have to do it this once and it definitely won’t come back later in the book nope definitely not.
“and that you felt alone in your head.” ;_;
Chapter 7
Sixth House icon.
There’s not a lot to say here, besides how freaky this is. How much do you want to bet that the faint wail Harrow hears is coming from the coffin with Cyntherea’s body?
JOHN. GOD’S NAME IS JOHN?? #NAME LORE UNLOCKED. IM JUST SO HAPPY I FINALLY HAVE A WAY TO REFER TO HIM WITHOUT STRUGGLING TO SPELL EMPORER EVERY FUCKIN TIME.
Also, Mercymorn knowing his like actual human name further implies some stuff about the timeline of the Ressurection, which I was wondering about previously... but that’s a discussion for later because Harrow’s in Hell!
Not a lot to say here besides 
fuck.
A few things. One. I think they’re going to get out of this okay? And by okay I mean alive? We know Ianthe, the Emperor, and Harrow live up to the point of the Prologue, and I don’t think Mercymorn is going to die already. 
Two. Cassiopeia was from the Sixth House, going by her Cavalier’s last name, which explains the chapter icon.
Three. The lights? The last page or so is very metaphorical, but, at the beginning it says Harrow perceived herself as a “sickly radiance”, and that she perceived the others on the ship as a light as well. She later said she was an “ova cluster of two hundred pinpricks of light.” So I think in this deep part of the River Harrow accidentally sent herself to, souls (maybe?) are displayed as lights. Harrow’s own soul is literally made up of the hundreds of dead House Nine kids, which is. Spooky. But then, at the end, when they jump out of the River, they bring 5 lights with them. So... either something hitched a ride with them, or it has something to do with Harrow suppressing Gideon and the Lyctor ritual. Everyone else on the ship has undergone the Lyctor ritual (or something similar, in John’s case), and they only have 1 light each. At least to Harrow’s eyes. BRUH IDK WHAT”S GOING ON. 
Chapter 8
No further answers here, this is a flashback chapter! So, sheared skull = flashback. And this chapter is going to feature the Fourth House, apparently. Who was Fourth House again? Oh no it was the kids. Oh no. ;_;
So, we are continuing through Harrow’s re-imagination of the events of Canaan House, with her Ortus OC in tow.
Of course Harrow is overwhelmed by normal tea, and of course Harrow thinks dressing up skeletons is stupid. 
AND of course Harrow would have a private prayer wishing doom on anyone that looks at her with any kind of emotion.
Hold up, the Anastasian tomb? Reserved for warriors? And presumably derived from the word Anastasia, the mysterious not-Lyctor of the Ninth House?? 
I can already tell Anastasia is going to become my Pepe Silvia. 
Ohhh this is going to be a lore bomb about the timeline of the Ressurection and I’m going to need to pull out my copy of Gideon the Ninth to see if any of this shit actually happened. 
TEN? TEN NORMAL ASS HUMANS? AND FIVE NECROMANCERS?? BUT THERE WERE SEVEN LYCTORS. THE MATH DOES NOT CHECK OUT.
Okay so I checked and none of this shit actually happened! In fact, Teacher actually said there were 16, 8 necromancers, 8 cavaliers. Where the fuck is Harrow getting 10 from? Who knows! And rather than explicitly saying “hey check out the basement labs to see how to become a Lyctor,” Teacher actually said fuck if I know. Not actually. But still.
Oh of course it’s called the Sleeper!! I had Kill Bill sirens playing in my head when I first read that. 
So,  had a whole ass monologue here, but this is already very long and im sleepy, so to very quickly summarize, the Parahumans series had an entity known as the Sleeper that was intentionally very mysterious and raised a lot of questions amongst fans, and the fact that there’s another entity here known as the Sleeper is flooding me.
So, I’m spooked. Again, this entire conversation did not actually happen. Teacher’s dialogue is precious. “go where I durst not go: because I love my life, and I love noise, also.” and “I do not know the answers to any of these questions, only that, already, you are being too loud.”
So, the rest of the chapter plays out with Ortus complaining to Harrow. Intriguingly, he says that Harrow doesn’t have much of an imagination, when she says there was no one else to choose as her Cavalier... And then one of the skeletons says, “Is this how it happens?” harkening back to Parodos, when the Body says something similar. There’s a lot to unpack here. One, like I said previously, because Ortus, and apparently the entirety of Canaan House, is a product of Harrow’s mind, they can maybe give some insight into Harrow herself. However, the fact that Ortus seems to break character and chastise her for her lack of imagination is... I don’t know.
Okay, theory time. “The Work” alluded to in the letters is not only the suppression of Lyctor-hood, it’s also the erasure of Gideon, and the creation of these false memories. Meaning Lyctor!Harrow somehow crafted them; there was conscious effort behind it. Which means we can totally pick these scenes apart to gain further insight into Harrow! The skeleton and the Body asking if this is what happened, and Ortus breaking character (maybe) are her subconscious breaking through... Maybe that ties into my idea of the narrator being an internalization or compartmentalization of Harrow’s trauma? Hmm...
Chapter 9
Seventh House skull, and not a flashback. I’m guessing this is because we’re going to inter Cyntherea’s body here.
Okay, so time seems to have passed. IDK how much of the River Harrow remembers here. It seems like she recalls it like a bad dream. Ianthe’s here, and they’re in a chapel made of bone. Or at least one absolutely covered in bone. 
Here’s a question. The necromancy Harrow excels at, that’s creating a whole ass skeleton from a single bit of bone. Is she actually creating a new skeleton? Or is she reforming one. Like if she had two teeth from the same skeleton, could she use that to make two new skeletons? In the last chapter the Ressurection was described as not creating anything new... does that apply to all of necromancy, or just what the Emperor did?
Also another side note, Harrow says the stars glow with an unearthly light, which matches what the Emperor said, that they restarted the stars near the Mithraeum with thanergy, so they’re weird now. Except... wasn’t Dominicus restarted the same way? Or is the Dominicus system a hybrid of thanergy and thalergy? I’m getting my energies mixed up.
Anyway yep it’s Cyntherea’s funeral, and Harrow is checking the fuck out.
Okay we have a new Lyctor... and I’m guessing it’s Augustine, since he and Mercymorn are fighting.  
Okay and John’s giving a speech and giving more lore about the pre-Ressurrection and it’s confirmed that this guy is Augustine and-
First gen? Second gen? Sixth installation?? Valancy? ANASTASIA?
bruh im so flooded and this is supposed to be such a reverent moment.
Ohhh this is awkward now that they’re pulling Ianthe and Harrow forward. Okay we get a formal introduction to Mercymorn and Augustine. Augustine trails off before the third... and asks if he, the third surviving Lyctor, knows about the missile strikes...Is the third Lyctor the one leading the people who shot down the warships, which is sounding increasingly like a rebellion rather than a battle against others? Who’s the third again ah fuck it’s ORTUS.
ORTUS is apparently interested in “you-know-what”. Which I don’t know what. Please elaborate. 
ORTUS is here and he’s skeletal. OH AND SO IS RESSURECTION BEAST NUMBER SEVEN.
FUCK.
(bruh what the fuck is a pseudo-Beast)
Okay yep time to fight an eldritch god.
Speaking of which, God’s name is John confirmed.
And Harrow bled from the ear and fell unconscious, hearing the name ORTUS.
Chapter 10
Pog we’re almost done with part 1. Fifth skull, sheared, so it’s flashback time. 
I don’t recognize immediately where we are; apparently this is in the library in Canaan House? Though I don’t remember one from Gideon the Ninth. We see a bit of personality from Ortus, when he complains about Fifth House poetry, which is nice. 
Oh, wait, never mind, that was Magnus speaking. Ortus remains as boring as ever.
Hehehehe dick jokes.
Hey so no fake vow of silence in the false memories of Canaan House! That’s interesting. As is Magnus and Abagail being here, and them being pretty fleshed out characters. As are these cooking instructions from the Lyctors...
HOOOOOOOLD the phone here. The cooking notes mention an M and Nigella... which was the first name of Cassiopeia’s cavalier... How would Harrow know that? The easy explanation is that this is a note that Harrow actually found, and is placing here in her fake memories... The other explanation is that something funky is afoot...
Ooohkay Magnus is asking if this is how it happens now. The simulation is breaking down. AND ABAGAIL CAN TELL THAT HARROW IS A LIVING WAR CRIME. PANIC.
Okay now we’re getting Ortus emotion! He is a grown ass man Harrow. At least, he would be, were he not a figment of Harrow’s imagination.
HEEEEY
WHAT THE FUUUUCK
WE’RE CONTINUING ON THIS DYING EGGS THING
PROBABLY WILL BE RELEVANT LATER.
Okay and the simulation breaks down further when Ortus says “you did have a cavalier with a backbone, I’m not them.” Interestingly enough, it’s hours later Harrow realizes something’s weird... Huh...
Chapter 11
Seventh House skull.
Literally just a paragraph saying Harrow sleepwalked and stabbed Cyntherea’s body.
...She sleep walked... the Sleeper from the fake Canaan House...
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Gideon: I can’t BELIEVE you didn’t even do a SINGLE PUSH-UP you terrible little gremlin nun
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