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hey friend! I've been sobbing over mother 3 again lately and I have another question! is it at all possible to make claus cry in the second/final battle with him? I've always either run out of PP or turns before I ever figured it out

What a great question! I spent all evening trying to see what I can do and there’s probably more that I could find so I’ll tell you what I’ve tried so far.

The short answer is no, unfortunately. But at the very least I found a few mildly interesting things along the way.

Long answer under the cut- sorry that it got a bit lengthy! I’ve been saving game files because I’ve been wanting to make Mother 3 videos so that I don’t hit everyone with huge text walls all the time.

When using items in the battle against Claus, Lucas will use self/team items as normal (though obviously if it’s any kind of teammate revival item it’s pointless to use). Items that are equip-type (or, at least, weapon equips) cannot be used under the item menu until the first turning point of the battle, even if the weapon isn’t equipped. So Lucas won’t let himself use the DCMC Pamphlet (even though he wasn’t holding it) because the game thinks you’re trying to attack Claus. But before I go any further I’m going to clarify that the Claus battle has 3 phases:

Phase 1: Battle Start

During this phase, Lucas refuses to attack. Any attempt to use equip weapon fails. Any attempt to use enemy buff/debuff items fails. Basically anything that targets Claus won’t work.

Phase 2: Flint’s Sacrifice

This is triggered by Flint shielding Lucas from 2 consecutive PK LOVE attacks. Outraged, Lucas can now freely attack. You can attack both physically and with PK moves, though PK Flash fails. Equip weapons can now be used in the item menu without Lucas stopping you. A prompt about Hinawa being saddened pops up the first time you attack Claus.

Phase 3: Memories

This is triggered by the flashback cutscene. As Claus’s attacks lessen, Lucas will begin to stop fighting Claus by intentionally missing physical attacks (he closes his eyes while performing the bash command). You can still use offensive items and PK LOVE against him, though it’ll saying stuff like “Lucas felt heartbroken” and “his heart ached”.

So in order to test how items would affect Claus, I had to wait until phase 2 of the battle starts. There’s lots of items I haven’t tried, but here’s what I found so far:

Items like explosives deal damage as they should

Except the New Year’s bomb doesn’t work- they’re all duds if you buy a bunch

Enemy buffs/debuffs don’t have any effect on Claus

Items with pre-scripted effects (ex: the chicken and the silver dragonfly) will carry out their effects as normal and be consumed (ex: the chicken freaks out and runs off)

Pretty much all of my equip stuff lying around didn’t do anything

That said, the “Friend’s Yo-yo” and “Handy Yo-yo” items both cause Claus to applaud. I’m not going to lie- I thought the screencaps I saw of that were completely fake! Interestingly enough it doesn’t have to be Ness’s yo-yo, meaning either Porky or Claus really like yo-yo tricks…?

The memento items (at least Doria’s and Fassad’s) don’t do anything

By accessing the debug room the game will give you Lucas’s favorite food as an item. Eating Omelets doesn’t get a response from Claus.

The most time consuming thing I did was perform a huge workaround in order to get the Drago fang weapon to the battle. Unfortunately it doesn’t do anything.

Here’s a short list of random stuff I tried and they didn’t do anything: hermit crab shell, dolphin’s ossicle, enemy bufferizer, trivia card 4, dcmc pamphlet, fly charm, red hat, mole cricket brother

Claus slips violently on the ancient banana.

No, I’m not joking. The banana works for some reason. He takes mild damage from it.

Item tdlr; the yo-yo items get a response and he slips on bananas but nothing else I tried so far did anything. More testing is needed.

So naturally my other thought was to try and severely damage Claus. Using the debug room, I set Lucas’s level to 99 and battled. It’s a lot easier because of the stats but regardless of how much I attack him it doesn’t seem to do anything. The New Years’s Eve Bomb doesn’t work and neither does PK Flash so they probably gave him an absurdly high HP so that we couldn’t end the battle if we tried. I heard rumors that the game crashes if you reduce his HP to 0. I also heard another rumor that the game heals his HP every turn and doesn’t tell you. I have no way of figuring either of those out, currently.

The last notable part of all this is that in my experiment to get the Drago fang to the battle, I used a debug room trick to get Flint into phase 3 of the battle. You see, in the debug room the game lets you keep 5 people in your party at once instead of 4. So I tacked Flint onto the end of the party order and died in the debug room so that Flint would follow us in chapter 8.

Now the funny thing about having 5 party members is that the fifth person doesn’t count in the battle. If the first 4 party members die then it’s game over, despite the 5th person being alive and healthy. So when I went into the Masked Man fight Kumatora, Duster and Boney were KO’d and Flint wasn’t in the battle prompt (as per usual with 5th party members). The battle carried out exactly the same until phase 3.

If you remember, phase 3 of the battle is when the interface clears Kumatora, Duster, and Boney out so that it’s just Lucas and Claus. Except now the game has somewhere to put Flint so it’s just Lucas and him against Claus. Claus will randomly distribute attacks to the both of them, though at this phase his attacks are weak. The weird thing is that the battle is scripted so that Lucas gets a turn to make a move but Flint doesn’t get any battle turns, despite the player still choosing what Flint is going to do that turn.

I kinda want to mess around and see what happens if you change up the party member order or if (instead of Flint, a regular party member) you use a temporary party member like Alec instead. Do temp party members get a turn? What happens if I use the debug room to bring Claus to the fight? It’s interesting, though I’m not sure there will be that much of a change.

All that said, thank you very much for the question! There’s still some stuff I can test out but I think that covers the basics. Feel free to ask about stuff like this any time- I love this sort of stuff!

#mother 3 #not dutybound related #claus #the masked man #debug room shenanigans #honestly i'm surprised the game didn't crash during that last bit

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