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goatfactsofficial · 8 days

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Honestly, I consider my self "pro-israel" but still very critical about Bibis goverment, specially since fuckers like Gvir ad Smorvtich are in charge. I think that with Hamas finally gone and this fuckers either jailed for good or gone since they are actually hated by the Israeli population rn (The only reason they havent kicked them to kingdom come is because its the middle of a war) a good faith peace plan for both sides can be established with a third party of trust.

This being said, why the fuck do people root for Hamas? Ive seen this so called progressive even calling them 'resistance'. These fuckers are the main cause that palestinians are in the situation they are in. They use all the money they get from aid to try to attack israel, use their own population as shields because they dont care about them and indoctrictnated them to hate since children. Do they really want to leave them opressing Gazans like nothing happened after oct 7th? Because Ive havent seen any goverment willing to do this dirty work because, sadly, Hamas wont reliquinsh their "power" peacefully.

Honestly, in a past I considered my self pro-palestinian and pro-israel, at least publicly, but these loud minority of Hamasinks seemed to have hijacked a movement that started with good intentions. But sadly it appears that this minority is becoming the majority.

Is there anything that can be done to revert this? To alianeate these extremist from the reasonable voices?

First of all, hell of an anon to get. If you're baiting, nice job. Otherwise I'm going to assume this is a good faith ask. (Though I'm still confused as to why you asked me.) So re: why do people support Hamas. I'm assuming you're referring to the Pro-Pal Left that has reared its head since October 7th. Honestly I think it comes down to the privilege that almost everyone in the Imperial Core has: Freedom from War. These folks learned about War Crimes in highschool or whatever, never bothered to learn what they actually were and the how and why of their drafting, and now they hear about Israel bombing hospitals and they can't imagine any possible scenario where that could be justified. To these folks War is two armies marching at each other in block formations in an open field. And perhaps their only conception of Urban War is the civilian-less and consequence-free set pieces of modern warfare shooters. And it shows! I've seen people praising the Mujahideen in Gaza as brave and noble heroes for slapping the side of a Merkavah with a tandem charge RPG all while ignoring the fact that the person firing the RPG isn't wearing any sort of distinguishable uniform and are therefore committing the crime of perfidy. And it drives me insane because perfidy is such a fucking poisonous thing to do. Any action which erodes a belligerents ability to read actions in good faith is horrific, and actions like that are exactly what Hamas' strategy and tactics are based on and around. To break it down for the pissing on the poor crowd: 1: Hamas plans operation and bases soldiers in hospital 2: Israel bombs that hospital, whichever officer in charge has made the hard decision that the number of military casualties is worth the number of civilian collateral casualties, as well as damage to the hospital infrastructure. (THIS IS LEGAL AND NOT A WAR CRIME) 3: Hamas makes up death count and has their media corps play corpse jenga 4: useful idiots in the Imperial Core see that Israel bombed a hospital (no possible reason for doing that other than killing innocents!) and the 3000 years of antisemitism thats hardcoded into their brains kicks in and all the blood libel floods out. As for alienating the extremists from the moderates. I have no idea. Frankly I could care less about what Johnny Jihad or his leftist brownshirts care about Palestine or Israel or Jews or Palestinians. I give far more of a fuck in making the world a better place where I can. And that takes many forms. Including skipping out on my draft service because I didn't want to risk being a part of the apparatus that does in fact contribute to the oppression of Palestinians. What have any of these "Pro-Palestine" leftists ever done for the Palestinian cause that comes anywhere near that level of direct action?

#Goat Kvetch #ask box #jumblr #Israel/Palestine #Swords of Iron #Reaallly hoping this isn't bait to start harassing me.#also not to say that draftdodging is the ultimate act of propal liberation #more that I actually *HAVE* done something #unlike all these keyboard warriors harassing random Jews

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adult-human-gc-female · 10 months

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I love your blog mate. Have you ever noticed how a lot of trans acceptance, despite labeled as "counter culture", is rooted in pro government/authoritarian beliefs? All a corrupt corporation has to do nowadays is "controversially" appeal to gender ideology and the LGBT will come to their to their defense because of those "darn conservatives " who speak out against it. That's all it takes to manipulate them. They will actively see them as an "ally" even though they are a multi million dollar company. It gets on my nerves. Angry Birds, Ben and Jerry's, Targef, Walmart, etc. How can you say you are counter culture if million dollar corporations are echoing your BS beliefs? Doesn't that ever raise red flags in their head? "Hey wait a minute.. why is the government and almost all major corporations pushing this ideology, what do they have to gain?" Questions they never consider even though the answer is obvious. Trans people keep women oppressed and submissive, they make massive BANK for big pharma + they now have a way to sterilize lgb people as well as normalizing the idea kids can consent by proclaiming they know what sex is as young as 3, highlighting child rapists like Kinsley as source. It's the ultimate win-win scenario for them. They manipulated two to three extremely oppressed classes of people into supporting their genocide and advocating for pedophilia- which also does the homophobes a favor because now they just associate the lgb with gender ideology and their insanity, creating more honophobes and extremists. It's not about rights to them, its power. They killed average people in the past (a proven fact) and they were especially content with stripping the rights of minorities, now they got those same minorities on their side. True "queer rebellion" is rejecting the nonsense that is "queer theory" and being your own person without labels without the influence of consumerism. The fact these people see that controversial speaks volumes.

Thank you!

Yeah, it's really SOMETHING that people keep "we are a oppressed minority that being genocided" rhetorics while being supported by multi billion corporations and usa president's administration, and don't see (or refuse to see) that these are two mutually exclusive things.

Also what you described is exactly how capitalism works. Once the rebellious group is spotted, it's being sold consumer products to: "here is you label, pin and pride flag". Business receives money and at the same time makes this rebellion controlled, which means there is no rebellion anymore. If counter culture is sponsored by big money and is widely popular, it's not a counter culture, surprise!

Considering that trans ideology opresses women, children, and homosexuals, we can safely conclude that it is a neo-patriarchy.

#blog: asks #radblr #terfblr #gender criticism #woke capitalism #who is the bigot now

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warningsine · 8 days

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Is there anything that can be done to revert this? To alianeate these extremist from the reasonable voices?

"I think that with Hamas finally gone"

You make the assumption that Israel's ongoing genocidal attempt will succeed in eliminating Hamas.

What I think it's doing instead is feeding the fire for many more years of conflict.

"This being said, why the fuck do people root for Hamas? Ive seen this so called progressive even calling them 'resistance'."

If you're talking about (online and offline) Western "leftists," I can think of 3 reasons:

They're treating other countries' politics and conflicts like an abstract, intellectual exercise (at best) or football teams (at worst). As if actual people's lives aren't at stake.

They're falling for propaganda propagated by Hamas and backed by the religious fundamentalists of Iran--who have destroyed their own country and whose morality police murders women left and right; how quickly people have forgotten of Mahsa Amini--as well as their proxies, the Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

They're antisemites and/or authoritarians themselves. Some of those people cheered when Hamas committed atrocities on October 7th. Suffice it to say, calling yourself a progressive does not necessarily make you one.

"I'm not an antisemite, I'm an anti-Zionist!!! Israel should be annihilated!!!"

Ok, answer me this then:

what exactly would happen to Israel's Jewish majority population in that case? Would it be killed? (That's what Hamas wants by the way.)

Would it be driven out? Where would they go?

"a good faith peace plan for both sides can be established with a third party of trust."

The United Nations, the West (the US, the UK, Europe) and Western-aligned Arab states are promoting the two state solution, sure. But is it feasible right now?

Then you have the one state solution (under an Israeli or Palestinian government). Except the majority of Israelis and Palestinians do not support it.

"But sadly it appears that this minority is becoming the majority."

You mean faux-progressive Westerners or Palestinian people?

Because Palestinians are not a hive mind. They agree with some of Hamas's decisions and disagree with others.

Most of them do not support Hamas as their government or the religious aspect of it. They know that Hamas is in Qatar and does not give a shit about them.

But they do want to be free from their oppressor and some of them think that Hamas's war could help end the occupation.

I'm not going to give it to Hamas under any circumstances, but in defense of the Palestinians who support Hamas's war, other strategies, like nonviolence, have not worked.

My point is, we shouldn't dehumanize people who are fighting for their freedom even if we disagree with them.

As for the self-proclaimed progressives in the West, try explaining to them that Palestinians have not had fair and free elections since 2006.

Show them pictures of Palestinians taking to the streets to protest Hamas and even burn their flags.

Hamas officials destroyed phones lest the "Not all Palestinians support Hamas" truth came out.

#i might delete this later because i don't want to get death threats #anon

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el-oh-her · 3 years

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You CAN be oppressed for being Christian. You CANT be opressed for being white: an opinion from a religion student

Okay so obviously the first thing you’re gonna want to say is how I’m wrong and just whining. That’s just an indication you don’t actually care what I have to say.

SO, let’s talk about this distinction.

Christians

You CAN be oppresed as a christianity. It has happened. A bunch of times throughout history! When Christianity emerged it was an oppressed group in Rome. In Japan christians were being tortured and executed for their faith in paranoia of losing parts of their culture (fearing culteral erasure is a valid fear, murdering people is still wrong). People moved to mainland america BECAUSE they were christians fleeing religious opression.

The fish symbol

This, was a symbol for christians to identify each other in secret.

Even in America it has happened. When the Irish were fleeing the famine, a lot migrated to the United States and one of the many reasons they were not liked was because the majority of them were Catholics. Catholics historically have had a terrible time in the united states, and are often blamed for a LOT of shit. JFK and Amy Coney Barret (look I don’t like the lady but it did happen with her) both faced an unusual line of questioning regarding their catholic faith that was not obersved with protestants who were applying for the same position. There’s a reason why Catholics will distinguish themselves from christians, because again it’s an idenity that unites them. So, even within the christian faith, there is a denomination that isn’t exactly loved.

Now, it’s worth to note this hate of Catholics comes from centuries of catholic opression in europe. So, is the anger unfounded? No. Does that mean everyone should be nice to catholics? NO. It’s the catholic’s job to be better than their ancestors, and if they’re not doing that, then they’re just as much as apart of the problem.

This same thing applies to modern christains in America. The hate and distrust towards them is due to 200 years of being oppressive. So, is the anger unfounded? No. Does that mean you should just be nice to christians? NO. If they are being assholes, they are just as bad as their ancestors.

There are christians who are not like the shit you see on TV, I promise. But don’t be nice to ANYONE who’s an asshole because they belong to one group or another. That’s just life. There is no community that will ever absolve you from being an asshole. But also, don’t be mean to a christian just because that’s what they are. Don’t be mean to anyone because they’re apart of one group or another. That’s just not nice. And no one is going to be able to get along if you’re just mean, even if it is a group that has been on top historically. A kind person is a kind person at the end of the day, and a mean one is a mean one.

And just to note: if someone is debating whether or not human rights belong to one group or another, that is not a nice person. I know plenty of christians (for example) who are very pro choice, pro gay, pro women, pro science etc. You don’t have to like someone if they really believe that your human rights aren’t necessary.

Are christians being oppressed in America right now? No. No they are not. The WORST thing happening is that genuine practioners are going to have to navigate the social sphere with the lasting effect christian conservative radicles. That is a challenge that christians will just have to deal with, and is a result of letting shit like this get out of hand.

So to conclude: Christians can and have historically been opressed, but they aren’t currently being opressed in America.

White

Now, I am sure that after offending the liberal side, now the conservative side is angry because I said you can’t be oppressed for being white.

Here is the important distinction: You can be a white person who has faced opression, but that opression will never be because you are white.

The concept of whiteness is not an old concept. It’s emergence was to “other” certain minority groups. It only exists to create a distinction between groups, most noteably the difference between white and POC.

Because when you think about it, what even is white? “White” is basically an umbrella term for “Pale skinned, usually european, usually protestant, usually straight, usually wealthy” or “Pale skinned americans who are usually european, usually protestant, usually straight, usually wealthy.” There is a white culture, but not in the way we usually talk about culture. It’s exclusionary at its base, and anyone who fits the bar gains all the benefits of being white.

Like I hate to be that gal, but if I were asked to describe a white person I would say “A white, straight, protestant, billionare man from the south.” And that doesn’t exist for no reason. Historically, (besides the south part) the white straight protestant wealthy man was a pinacale american, and it’s only through the fight for human rights that the tearm has broadened enough to where being white is mostly just being pale. Like, make no mistake, today the only checkbox you have to tick is looking white, and you’re going to be able to go far.

White supremecy is often tied to american patriotism. So let’s look at the things that people have said that makes others unamerican, or what is considered the socially undesireable in America in the eyes of white supremecists

Being Gay

Being transgender

Not adhereing to gender binaries

Being Mulsim

Being Jewish

Being homeless

Being poor

(in history) being a woman

Feminine men

Men wearing skirts and dresses

Being black

Being mexican

Fighting for Social Justice

Speaking languages that are not English (ASL excluded, since I’ve never seen it, but feel free to comment)

So, if these are the things that the white supremecists point as unamerican or undeseraible, it’s an indication that these are qualities that are considered “not white” That is the closest thing we can get to white culture--a culture based on exclusion.

In modern day, being white can get you far. It’s important to know that historically, being white alone wasn’t enough. we know this from the Irish who were catholic, and poor and fleeing a famine. White was this VIP club that was nearly impossible to get into.

So, if being White is this exclusionary club that only emerged to other minority groups, then you can’t opresss it. “White” is synonomous with “Oppressor” because of this historical context. What this means is that IF people were being prejuduced for being nothing but white, they wouldn’t be white anymore in this sense. The quality of being white would no longer be something that lets you into the this exclusive club.

And also, white people will NEVER be oppressed because that’s not really how society WORKS anymore. In a dystopic novel MAYBE, but in reality, all the oppressed groups aren’t like “kill all white people” but are rather like “hey, how about white people and anyone that’s not a white people be treated exactly the same socially and systemically.” Do you know how much WORK it would take to systematically oppress white people? Do you really think, that the people who want diveristy want to kick white people out of the circle? No! No! That’s NOT how it works! Diveristy is for everyone, even white people because guess what: there is more to you than being just WHITE!

You have an ethnicity that’s not white. You’re irish, or german, or french or African or something!!!. Just fucking pick one and be proud of being THAT and not an idenity that literally exists to oppress. Being proud of being AMERICAN isn’t a fucking bad thing, being proud ot be WHITE is.

Even if you are rich, male, straight, cisgender, and protestant, those are all still groups you belong to that can harmoniously co-exist with other groups.

BLACK people have a black culture because, ding dong, white people took them and enslaved them. They don’t have the privlage of knowing their ethnic origin, and were FORCED to make a whole ass new one. THAT’S why there’s a black culture. It’s a direct result of white oppression, so quit bitching about it.

PEOPLE OF COLOR have united to create a culture becuse of 2 CENTURIES of being othered by WHITE PEOPLE. THAT’S why they have a culture. Pan Indianism is a result of dumbass white people grouping them all together and stupidly thinking they’re all the same. They united in solidarity because it was the only way to keep a fragment of their idenity. The White Idenity has always tried to destory anything that doesn’t fit Whiteness.

Why, fucking WHY would you want to be proud of that?

You can be white and face oppression for being gay, trans, a woman, poor, akward or anything at all. YOUR SKIN COLOR WILL NEVER EVER BE THE REASON WHY YOU’RE BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY. YOUR SKIN COLOR WILL NEVER MAKE LIFE MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOU. YOUR SKIN IS A PRIVLAGE. I don’t care how much you don’t want to believe it: it will never be becuase you’re white. It will be because of something else.

In Summery: The concept of white is inherently tied to the concept of oppresssion, since they’ve historically tried (sometimes succesfully) to obliterate other cultures that don’t fit the white aesthetic. You cannot oppress something that’s was literally created to oppress, and is not an idenity worth being proud of.

The conclusion

As much as it feels like Christians can’t be oppressed, the fact of the matter is that the religion was not designed or intended to oppress others, and have been historically oppressed. That’s what makes being christian different from being white, because the concept of whiteness emerged as a method of oppression.

This doesn’t mean you should just be nice to christians because they’re christians. An asshole is an asshole, no matter what idenities they wear. Also, christians aren’t currently being oppressed. The “plights” that the radicales think they’re facing are more so just like, the USA being secular and not appealing to them.

I feel like they often get mixed together because of how tied up protestantism is with white supremecy. Which is fair, as being protestant is a part of this exclusionary white culture.

Disclaimer: As I have said many many times, this is not a post that is like “Stop being mean to christians!!!!” An asshole is an asshole. Don’t be nice to people who don’t believe in your human rights. Don’t be nice to people just because they belong to this group or that group. This post, also several times, has stated that in the current climate, christians are not being oppressed, not in the slightest. So when you read about some christian talking about their oppression, it’s most likely the American Government being secular, and refusing to bend for the christian agenda.

This post’s goal was to show you the distinction between christianity and whiteness, and most importantly show the real enemy: white supremicists.

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