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autismprotocol · 5 days

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TMAG Theory Board Update (EP 11-12)

Hi guys sorry about the late posting I've just started a new quarter of college and its been pretty hectic. also got into my school design BFA program so pretty stoked about that! Anyways lets get into the Episode Breakdowns because even though not a lot of lore related things happened I still have a lot to talk about

For the breakdown I'll separate each by episode in sequential order

What Happened in Episode 11: Marked

Celias Rude Awakening- we jump right into the weirdness straight away with Celia waking up on the side of the interstate. she indicates that this is not a weird occurrence and ends the scene by telling someone named Jack that she's "on her way." If you remember episode 8 after Celia and Sam talk to Gerry and Gertrude, she mentions stuff about wanting help with her own mystery. When Sam asks about it she says she's looking into Time travel, other dimentions and teleportation. Many people have theorized that maybe Celia is just a super heavy sleepwalker, but I think the she teleports random places out of nowhere. This could be a side effect of her reality hopping if this Celia is originally from The archives universe.

As for the identity of Jack I'm not quite sure about that yet. I cross referenced the name Jack with past episodes of TMA. The only thing that came up was Jack Barnabas from the statement about dating Agnes Montague (aka an avatar of the desolation and Jesus-like figure for the cult of the lightless flame) So Unless Celia is secretly Agnes of Agnes reincarnated , I can't find any way to link Barnabas to Celia. (if anyone has a theory feel free to send it my way.)

Sam Lore- this one is pretty minor story-wise but I thought it was interesting. Before the statement for the episode is presented we get some classic Sam and Alice Banter ™ most of it is pretty lighthearted but I noticed Sam mention something that could indicate he might be an amputee.

These could not mean anything and I find it weird that it hasn't been mentioned until now but thought it was kind of cool and I will probably be drawing sam with a prothetic leg in the future cause I really like this head-canon. It also begs to question if he is missing a leg. it might have anything to do with his past as a Magnus institute test subject but then again could just be a fun character detail added by Jonny and/or Alex .

The Statement- Getting into the statement we get another Ink5oul appearance. Also possible Ink5oul identifying as she/they. (and lets be honest being a fear avatar is pretty non binary core). I found this Episode gave me a feeling of a hybrid between the Vast, Buried and the Flesh some people are theorizing that is might be a new entity called the Deep but I think that the fear of the ocean could easily apply to the vast or buried. Not much to say about this story though pretty standard Magnus horror that also gave us a hint to what Ink5oul's goal could be/which entity they serve.

Post Bonzo- Gwen has a debrief with Lena after her first Externals Liason assignment and her meeting with Mr. Bonzo. Undoubtedly Gwen is still pretty shaken from her encounter, even arriving late to work due to sleeplessness. Gwen is able to ask Lena a few questions mainly she wanted to know who's name was written on the letter given to Bonzo

Lena is largely unhelpful but tells Gwen she should have worked it out by now and if not to pay close attention to the case load for the next couple of days. before the latest episode my guess was Klaus because that is the only person mentioned so far that the OIAR intends to kill. but more on that later

Marked- Now were getting to my favorite thing about this episode. This episode title can have two meanings. The first is the more literal interpretation. Tattoos are marking of the body and the case this episode was all about tattoos so easily a good name would be marked. But I believe this is a red herring meant to misguide listeners who have not consumed all 200 episodes of TMA because if you know the world of Magnus Archives the term Marked takes on a entirely different meaning.

In TMA the term marked is used to indicate that somebody has been influenced by one or more or the fears and are one their way to becoming an Avatar. I think this could be a coded way to tell the audience someone in the OIAR has been marked. I have two potential candidates

Alice Dyer- Alice has been having dreams about the Institute after her and Sam's adventure into the ruins. also she mentions feeling like someone's watching her (common to people influenced or fed upon by the Ceaseless Watcher/The Eye) My guess if she is marked it would be by the Eye.

Gwendolyn Bouchard: Probably the most likely culprit. The main way an entitly tends to mark people is through encounters with other avatars. Gwen has just had an encounter with Mr Bonzo last episode who I strongly believe must be an avatar of some sort.

What Happened in Episode 12: Getting Off

Aww Sam!!- Sam asked Celia out and it was adorably awkward. not much to say I just loved this interaction and I'm longing for a new Magnus brand office romance hopefully is wont be an agonizing slowburn that ends tragically like a certain pair of morons from Archives (I love you Jon and Martin but Jesus christ)

It's Bonzo time bitches!!- Probably one of the most gruesome Magnus statement I've ever listened to (good work Alex) Mr Bonzo completely annihilated some poor dude at his bachelor party. Based on the date of the Incident the I can confidently say that whoever Baz (the groom) was he was our mystery person the OIAR sent Mr Bonzo to get rid of. Along with some of the bloodiest imagery we learned a few things about Bonzo. The most interesting detail is that Bonzo has to be summoned by playing his theme song I think the CD of his theme song acts somewhat like the tapes did in TMA by materialising out of nowhere. Also fun fact you know that torn seam that is right down Bonzo's middle? that is actually is his mouth lined with rows sharp teeth so I guess I know that now (so fun) Moral of the story dont f*ck with Mr. Bonzo

Alice knows something: Theres been this recurring audio glitch throughout TMAGP thatnks to a few extremly observent fans we have started to relize that these glitches are not at all random and are actually letting the audience know when a character is lying (i actually reposted somones deepdive into all the istances of this glitch so far if you guys are intrested in knowing more) why i bring this up now is becuase since we know when any charater is lying we also know when they are being truthful if there is no glitch when they say somthing and at the end of this episode this interaction occurs

Alice goes ahead and makes a joke about this to annoy Gwen but the fact theres no audio glitch when she says "I know" means she does actually know who is behind the OIAR and is activly refusing to share it with Gwen or the others. What do you know Alice!?

and that's about it im already loving these next batch of episodes and am so excited to learn more (ERROR has to show up somtime )

thanks to everyone who resonded the poll on the last update I will continue to include drawings into the breakdown even if it takes me a little bit of time to post. anyways I wrote this all in one sitting and I'm about ready to pass out so thanks again and the ask box and comments are always open for discussion and theory crafting.

-Echo

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hoghtastic · 8 months

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I must admit, I feel "seen." 😋 As I sit here, reading all the posts, I totally feel seen but in a different way than you may think. Typically, anyone who "feels seen," gets defensive and then sends in an ask that is calling someone out. I want to address this differently and hope for someone to help me. I'm serious. And I'm not going to be rude, so don't worry. I seriously am asking for your opinions and suggestions.

I'm about to lay all my BS out on the table and open up and be completely vulnerable here. Please, if you answer me, be kind, because I'm honestly not pointing fingers at anyone but MYSELF!

Well, am I someone who has also been "desperately trying to prove that Johanne does not live with Alex?" Yes, I am. Have I analyzed stuff to exhaustion to prove my point that it hasn't happened yet? Also, yes. Does it mean I'm a bit on the crazy side? Absolutely. It has to. Or completely crazy? Probably also, yes. (Even though my friend tells me that crazy people don't usually sit around and question if what they're doing is crazy or not. Haha)

And the question here isn't AM I jealous of her. The question is, WHY the F*@K am I jealous of her? I have my own life, that I am quite happy with, actually, and I know whatever happens with them, between them, absolutely has no bearing on my life whatsoever! They could have 2.5 kids, 20 brand new cars, a white picket fence, and live happily ever after, and it would not affect my life at all. They are complete strangers that I only know and make my opinions of based on what they've posted and what I've seen and read about them. How does it make any D#@M sense, then, that the thought of them living together or omg, getting married makes a part of my heart break a little? And seriously, not because of anything she has done or posted and deleted, (because I won't make an assumption based on who she is entirely based on just the ridiculous sh¡t) but just because I'm just woman enough to admit I'm jealous! I know even if they weren't together, it doesn't increase MY chances of being with him or anything even close to that, so why the H3LL do I care?!!!!!!!!!!!! I have thought and thought and analyzed it to death and I still can't figure it out.

I want him to be happy, I do, but why does him being happy make a part of me sad? And even though it does still make me happy for him, it makes no sense!

So I come to you all to sincerely ask if I am the only one. Surely I'm not the only person in this boat! 🤞🏼 and even if I am, is there anyone who can explain this to me? WHAT THE F☆@K is my problem? Because it seems I seriously have one! Ugh!

HELP! Please! I feel so dumb. And I'm usually smarter than this.

Oh, And just in case someone says it or thinks it, no, I don't think me and Alex are in any kind of relationship, I don't think we're all friends, and I don't think he's mine or belongs to me. I'm not completely lost haha

Hello anon! 😊 First of all, I truly admire your courage and sincerity for sharing your feelings with us in such an honest way. I do believe you're not the first, nor will you be the last to feel like this. Most people, in any moment of their lives had some sort of celebrity crush which may or may not have had some sort of impact in their lives.

Especially in today's age, social media has made it extremely easy to have access to one's favorite celebrities. As we get more glimpses into their lives, and even some interactions sometimes, we feel closer to them and they truly become a part of our daily lives. We see these people everyday, we get to know what they've been up to, and therefore we grow to know and admire them even more. Sometimes their mere presence brightens our day and gives us some comfort in tough times, to help us through the day, much like a real-life friend would, and our attachment grows. And like a real-life friend, we won't always agree with everything they do or say, so sometimes we also get a little frustrated or even worried about them (or jealous, like you mentioned). And these feelings are real, the time and emotional (and sometimes monetary) investment in these people is real, however, the relationship is not, since it's really one-sided. And that's the key word here, which defines parasocial relationships.

From your description, it seems to me that's what you're experiencing. According to this article, there are various levels of parasocial relationships, and it seems that while you are aware of their one-sided nature, which is actually a good thing, it's still affecting you in some way, so it has become intense-personal.

While parasocial relationships can lead to negative consequences like stalking and avoiding real-life relationships and responsibilities, they also have a few benefits, like helping socially anxious people eliminate fear of rejection, or helping against depression and loneliness, as people feel some sort of connection to their favorite celebrity (and sometimes even make friends in the community/fandom). So it's easy to understand why some people are more vulnerable and end up experiencing parasocial relationships.

It's also important to acknowledge that today's industry also capitalizes on these relationships, creating an illusion of face-to-face interaction. In said article they mention more personal advertising campaigns in which celebrities or influencers talk directly to their audiences, maybe even sharing some personal stories to establish a closer connection. However, since we're talking about Alex, I'd like to mention the countless conventions he attends, during which he acts as his fans' long time friend, speaking and behaving exactly how they expect him to, promoting this sense of proximity and giving the illusion of a more realistic and intimate connection.

In conclusion, what you're experiencing is actually very common, anon, and I'd advise you to look a little more into this topic to better understand your feelings. However, if you feel they're having some sort of bigger impact in your daily life, my best advice would be to talk to a professional who could better guide you. Regardless, I hope this was helpful and if you ever feel like talking to someone about this, my asks & DMs are always open. 😊💖

#anon asks #parasocial relationships

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coramills · 3 years

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"Vigil"

#yes hello #i need someone to practice and/or teach me morse code on my naked back please #quite rude that it hasn't happened yet if I'm being honest #bbc vigil #vigil #amy silva #suranne jones

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animeyanderelover · 2 years

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I am going to be honest and admit that I did not expect to see characters like Tatara and Kichimaru in here…I generalized it into s/ being a famous celebrity.

Tw: Yandere themes, unhealthy mindset, unhealthy relationship, unhealthy mindset, possessiveness, obsessiveness, delusions, stalking, threats, intimidation, disturbing behavior, paranoia

Petite and shy s/o is a famous celebrity

Pain

🌧️I see Pain in a modern AU still in a relatively high position since he's a business man through and through. That guy owns money and has the tactical mindset to know exactly what course his company should take in order to get the most win. People and co-worker respect him for that, though they can't help but be slightly intimidated by him. He's quite polite yet his whole aura seems so cold and distant and somehow the many piercings on his body add to that intimidation factor. Yahiko is just so untouchable and even if that is his charm, not to mention that he's quite attractive, he doesn't display any sign of yearning for a relationship. He rejects those who confess with a icy and polite tone and those who bother him too much and turn too pushy have left his office with tears in their eyes and hearts pounding in fear. Pain isn't one to yell or get violent, his words and overall demeanor are more than enough to send someone running though, not even to mention that he has influence.

🌧️No one seems to know about what he does in his free time except his two best friends Konan and Nagato and people would probably never guess that he's madly obsessed with one very well-known celebrity. Yahiko has a reputation to uphold after all and is aware that his tendencies go into a very obsessive area, but in his eyes you're a literal goddess so no wonder. I'm not even kidding, you're this man's religion and he has something dangerously close to a shrine dedicated to you somewhere in his house. Whether you are a singer or a actress, whatever has to do with you is being bought by him immediately and kept safe and treasured somewhere. It has to be said that Pain never steps over the boundaries since he respects and worships you too much to lower himself to the level of collecting hair or your personal belongings. Instead he hires himself a painter who paints him portraits of you, depicting your glory perfectly. He keeps his whole collection in a special part of his house where no one except him and his two friends are allowed to enter.

🌧️Yahiko was mesmerized the first time he saw you, someone as fragile and bashful as you who still managed to be confident and fantastic when it came to your skills. He's watched every concert/movie you were in and remembers everything down to the minor detail about you and every interview you ever held, he has watched. He absolutely adores it when he sees you turning all shy and sweet when talking to others, despises those who make you uncomfortable though. In his eyes you're a holy being from heaven and for that alone everyone should only treat you with the highest adoration so every hate comment, rude remark from a fan or a hater and knowledge that you're forced to do something against your will sets him off. He tries to hide it at work, his workers notice on the slightly dark glint in his eyes and the barely dark undertone in his voice that something is wrong.

🌧️People who work for him are being exposed to his obsessive nature as well. Talent to prosper his business is something he regards highly yet he has certain patterns and habits which are to blame on his religious view on you. Those who love and praise you daily in his company tend to be let easier of the hook as long as it hasn't damaged the company and during interviews he gives a person more likely a chance if s/o is their idol and views you in high regards. Those who badmouth you are loaded more in work and he goes harsher against them. It's all happening under the surface and no one really catches on, thinking that he probably just had a bad day. Pain sees himself as your loyal follower and for that has deluded himself into thinking that he has to get rid of those who dare to tanish your reputation, be it because they wish you death or count to the disturbing sort of fans, he will get rid of them. He can bend the rules to his liking a bit and has enough fortune to cover certain accidents up.

Juuzou Suzuya

🔪No one wants to admit that someone like this little weirdo made it into the police and became the leader of his own special task force. Juuzou is an outsider, only those who got to know him really closely know that he is a loyal albeit weird guy. Many from his work don't even want to admit that he's there so the realization that he is incredibly good with what he does stings even more. Suzuya was able to solve quite a few complicated cases where everyone else alread failed simply because he thinks out of the pattern and uses methods which are, even if still legal, not something the average person would do. That' why the people above his rank tolerate him. He is a talented guy and has never let his superiors or co-workers down before. So they'd rather get used to his quirks such as constantly having sweets stored in his pockets and desks and his playful and somewhat child-like behavior instead of risking disappointment from the public in a difficult case.

🔪Juuzou isn't an individual that hides his preferences very much. Sure, he has a somewhat serious side to him and he tends to switch his giddy demeanor whenever a case gets dangerous or he's seriously mad, that doesn't keep him from being very much open with everything else. So it's a well-known fact to everyone he works with and hasn't worked with yet that he is a huge fan of darling's. With him working directly under the police, Juuzou attempts to not let his craziness shine through too much to the point where he is being suspected of having a unhealthy obsession with you. It's a thin line he works with, people tend to underestimate his intelligence though so he actually pulls it off. The fact that he adores you so much can make it hard for those who aren't exactly fans of yours since Juuzou tends to be even more of a brat to them. He loves getting on their nerves, sometimes plainly refuses to talk or even acknowledge them and their presence and will point out every mistake about them that he notices.

🔪His own Squad is the one who gets the worst of it all because Juuzou never stops talking about you. Whenever you release a new song or movie, he is busily rambling the next day why you are as wonderful as you are and that you're a literal angel and the list just goes on. So even if someone from his Squad has never heard of you before or just isn't quite as big as a fan of yours, Juuzou will pretty much force them to like you or otherwise they'll have to endure having their nerves poked constantly by him. Always sits in his office either watching a movie or series you are playing in or listening with the volume turned maximum to your songs. Even in his car he always jams to your music and people he drives by hear it since he never turns down the volume. Juuzou is in his own ways very nice and friendly to those who are fans of s/o as well and is all too eager to start a chat with them about you. It could be as much as him hearing someone praising you on the streets and he'd instantly talk with them a bit. He has absolutely no shame to approach a stranger.

🔪His whole house is filled with posters of you and his own room is the worst since every inch of it is covered with photos and posters of you. Only loves what features you and even if it's something he hates more than anything, he'll start adoring it. Juuzou is a major obsessive fan as well so he knows everything you ever mentioned somewhere before as well. He knows your favorite sweets and they've been his favorite ever since as well. The type to talk to the photos and posters of yours and kiss them and he's even gotten himself a pillow with your face. You're his angel, your personality and petite body only enhances it and he will absolutely go mad whenever he hears that you're being mistreated. If he knows that person, he will pay them a visit and creep the shit out of them, in the worst case scenario he might even try to frame them with a crime. Would die to get his hands on a chance to meet you personally and get an autograph from you and a few pictures without you knowing about it.

Uta

🎭Uta isn't a guy who would enjoy being in a position where he has to work too much or would be in the eyes of the public. The guy just wants to enjoy a peaceful and quiet life doing what he wants. He owns his own little tattoo and piercing shop and frankly spoken, he's talented with what he does. He has artistic blood running through his veins and that's what has made him sort of famous in his business. he's creative and has very special motives and tattoos which you just don't find anywhere else. Occasionally he's also willing to craft and paint certain masks and sketch a few things if a client orders and pays for it, mostly when he celebrates something special such as the anniversary of his shop or a special day in the year. No denial that he has some fans as well since he's mysterious and intriguing. Aside from the chats he has with his customers, Uta doesn't interact much with others, much less goes on dates. The only person he is close to is Itori with whom he tends to go out for a drink about two or three times a week.

🎭Uta is smart so he would never slip up in front of people about his obsession. He himself is pretty nonchalant about the whole ordeal, knows that in the eyes of others he'd be labeled as a crazy person so he keeps his obsession hidden. That doesn't mean that he hides the fact that he's a fan though, he just presents it in a way acceptable to society. His shop is decorated with one or two posters of yours and even if this is more subtle, he has designed it here and there in the colors he knows to be your favorites. If you should have released albums of any sort, he lets them play most of the time in the background and if you have appeared as a main character in any sort of film or series, he prefers to have them be played on the TV he has installed in his shop. He's even gone as far as to design some tattoos inspired by you, such as your favorite animals or other aesthetics you love. Even some tattoos which feature you directly, he doesn't display them in his collection for customers though unless someone specifically requests to have one with you.

🎭It has to be said that he tends to put a little bit more care and work into tattoos designed with you in mind since you're that important to him. His darling is Uta's muse who gifts him with inspiration and creativity. His shop wouldn't give it away, his home mirrors his obsession more. Sketches are decorating the walls, all with you as the center of attention and not all sketches Uta has made are exactly innocent. Uta has fantasies and he won't really shy away from drowning in them or drawing them and since you're already so sweet and shy, he finds it all the more sweet and alluring. The detail he puts in them are nothing short of mind-blowing and highly disturbing if it is a darker work of his. Uta is a little sadist so the image of ruining someone as innocent as you and having you do lewd things is very arousing in his opinion. He always draws or crafts masks whilst listening to your music or having a show of yours running on his TV.

🎭Uta has some level of self-control so when he's confronted with someone who clearly doesn't like you, he wouldn't act rash. He can't disappoint a customer if there is a chance that they will talk bad about him and have a negative impact on his business, he remembers them though. Uta is aware enough that he isn't exactly in a very powerful position and so he has to approach such scenarios more carefully. His shop is good to find out potential gossip or stir some up, sending letters to threaten someone to shut up is an option as well if someone is really annoying, not like Uta hasn't a sharp tongue himself. His fury whenever someone disrespects you is mostly let out in aggressive drawings in which he always pictures the person dying a gruesome death and he will send such pictures anonymously if he should know where the person lives. Such a drawing of him can do much due to it's horrifying level of detail and lead to paranoia of the victim. Uta himself as a tattoo of you somewhere on his body, though it's covered up all the time.

Itori

💋Itori has her own bar in which she often serves herself. Her bar is famous for quite a few reasons. The first one is Itori herself since man and women are attracted to her looks and her appealing charm. The second one are her drinks that are being served in there. She has more money in her pouch than the average person and owes some really expensive wine and alcohol which she serves in her bar. On top of that her cocktails and drinks are very beloved since she has a tongue for how to mix something together that will be to her customer's enjoyment. Be it a classic drink, something really fruity, a drink that warms you up from the inside and leaves a pleasant burning in your throat or something really refreshing and cool. She has everything and constantly adds new things to her list. She sometimes even invites Uta over so he can try her newest cocktail out with her. Probably got tons of confessions before, turned every single one down though.

💋Itori is a simp for her darling, a huge sucker and that i something she doesn't necessarily hide. Sure, she possesses enough sense to understand that she will never be able to expose the true extent of her adoration, but she definitely wants to express enough of her love for you to let others know. Her bar as well is decorated with posters and grafitti with you or titles of movies and albums you were featured in and the music that is being played for the nice vibe in her bar is going to be only from you if your career should include singing. She's even as slick as to name the drinks served in her bar after your song titles or roles you played in series and movies and those are her favorite drinks which she always recommends. She even went to Uta's tattoo shop a few times before to get a few tattoos with you as the motive. She exposes a few of those tattoos, not all though. Even requested him to draw a few cute sketches of yours which she keeps at home.

💋Her clients get the idea though and she loves engaging in talks with fellow fans of yours. Those talks can really go on for a long time, though she has to occasionally leave them for a while to take the order of another guest of hers. It's really one of the easiest ways to get her to talk a conversation with someone and sometimes she's even as nice to give out a drink for free. It's really cute though when she starts gushing about how much her darling is an idol for her, she gets all bubbly and excited and a pretty smile is tugging constantly at her lips, accompanied by a small blush. It's the complete opposite of someone who expresses dislike towards you. She completely ignores them and often has one of her employees attending to their orders. Cuts conversations short with a more frosty tone and does everything to avoid them. Her bar is important to her so she wouldn't risk more, but she is in no mood to endure someone who is against her sweet darling.

💋At home she has every fan item that could possibly exist about you, listens only to your music and only watches stuff you are in. She doesn't seem to like anything else anymore and constantly fangirls when you appear on screen. What she adores more than anything is in the end interviews or TV shows you are in since she could die out of love whenever she gets to see the real you, the sweetest babe in the whole world. She'd dare to day that s/o is almost too precious for this world and rude people that keep on saying nasty stuff about them who she often wishes to torture for being so cruel to darling. All Itori wants is to have s/o in her arms and shower her with the love and affection she deserves and she loves to get lost in such couple fantasies as well to the point where she has even asked Uta to draw her fantasies for her as well. He's aware about her more obsessive side, keeps it a secret though.

Naki

✍️Naki's job is one which should be questioned since he works for a person who leads a rather corrupted organization, though the image in the eyes of the public has to be perfect. In the eyes of others Naki is some sort of assistant for the boss Jason which isn't completely wrong. Only that instead of paperwork, Naki is responsible to remind every person who hasn't paid the money back to his company that they should do it very soon or otherwise there will be problems. He gladly gets violent since he's incredibly loyal to Jason and that is what has scored him a high position within the corrupted company. He might not be the smartest candle, but that's not even that big of a problem since he has people cleaning up after him and the whole power of the organization behind his back. Blackmailing, bribing, threatening to literal assassination is how the company solves problems if it can't be helped and they even have connections in the black market and he is part of it all, even if he's friendly to his co-workers.

✍️Maybe it is the dark business he finds himself daily involved with that made him fall head over heels in love with darling the first time he saw her on screen. He was just utterly lovestruck and turned into a obsessive fan very little time and literally everyone in the company who knows who he is knows that as well. His whole office and home are plastered with photos, images and posters of yours, he constantly listens to your music and watches anything you've participated in and buys all the fan merchandise a fan could have about you. Everything about you is remembered and constantly chanted like a prayer in his heart and soul and if someone were to ask him, he could easily list every single detail that has ever been published about you. Some people find it somewhat amusing, others cute and then there are those who are either creeped out or annoyed with his burning passion that regards everything involving you. Naki never slacks of in his job though which is why Jason never complains.

✍️The man is so sensitive though so it is better to never say anything against you as long as there is the risk of him hearing it or someone telling it to him because Naki is going to be livid. He idolizes you, views you as the most lovely and sweet human to exist on this planet and so every insult directed against you sets him off. He wouldn't hurt his subordinates, but he's yelling and screaming at them, calling them names before storming away to listen to your voice and watch an interview to calm down. Oh, his poor and sweet baby has to go through hatred depite being nothing more than perfect. His reaction to any sort of negative words and critique against you is the worst simply because he can not regulate his emotions very well and loves you too much to accept any of the bullhit some people throw your way. He's delusional even in a modern AU, convinced that you're too pure for a world filled with disgusting people who only want to hurt you.

✍️So to protect you from such vile people, Naki resorts to the illegal influence he has. He tracks down persons in the city he works in who express their dislike towards you in form of hatred or even death threats online and hunts them down. His life is embossed with violence and blood as it is, this is nothing to him since he is completely convinced that he does something good for s/o by beating up everyone who ever dared to type hurtful words against her. How bad the damage of the other person is going to be depends on how much hatred they expressed, in the mildest case they will be send into the hospital with several broken bones since Naki lets his emotions take control of him too easily. In the worst case Naki will murder them and have the traces leading to him or the company be erased by his subordinates. Would really just be willing to bleed severely to be able to meet you and considering that he is one of Jason favored employee, that chance looks terrifyingly realistic.

Tatara

🔻One of the guys in this post who is the most associated with the dark and criminal world. Tatara is someone who prefers to avoid the public eye and working as a leader for a criminal organization is the best way to never interact with people. He's basically an albino with his red eyes, pale features and white hair which would draw the attention of people who surround him, a dreadful thought for him. His job is gruesome since he murders in cold blood yet it has never really bothered him much. He's so indifferent about it all and above everything just loyal to his superiors. His underlings aren't treated with the same respect since he Tatara views them as people below him for him to use and for him to die, he has no problems admitting that either. He never cares when they die and he never cares to act nice to them either, he just commands and uses them. It's this cold and untouchable side of his that has him shrouded in mystery since he rarely talks and gives something about himself away.

🔻Tatara probably doesn't even know himself how he became a fan of yours and how he fell into the rabbit hole of obsession from there. Truth be told, he never expected to care about any sort of celebrity out there in the first place. Not knowing you is sort of hard though since you are well-known and he has to go undercover for missions sometimes as well which is why he got to hear about you in the first place. Tatara is a quite secretive about the start as a fan of yours though, he will never tell anyone about it. It's more a slight curiosity at first to see what the hype is all about, all it was supposed to be was a small glance. Instead he found himself almost enraptured by you to the point that it angered him. Your personality was something out of this world, you were basically a shy and small mouse standing in the spotlight. For someone who has known violence and evil as long as him, someone innocent like you in this world was out of comprehension.

🔻The whole world is corrupt so how does it come that you can stay so shy and weirdly cute? Tatara...is weirdly intrigued by this and decides to take closer looks which marks the day of his obsession. He watches and analyzes every music video of yours, every movie and every interview and how you can change your whole demeanor and gain confidence when you do what you know you are good in. He only watches everything to analyze and understand you more, the more his liking towards you grows the more he starts liking your music and the shows you are in though. It happens so slowly that even he needs a while to catch on, once he does though he is perplexed. Tatara overcomes the feeling that he is somehow being ridiculed from you, though he knows that it's technically not true since you don't even know him. As soon as that thought crosses his mind he almost feels sad that you don't know him, leading to him feeling even more embarrassed.

🔻I said it once before, I'll say it again. No one from his underlings has even a clue about what is going on inside of him and even his superiors have a hard time reading him since he's always so stoic and carries himself around with his usual confident and commanding gait. Despite his thoughts constantly swirling around s/o, he doesn't get affected to the point that it shows in any way. With time he just accepted the fact that he's obsessed with you and that he has this weird need inside of him to protect you from haters. It's not for the sweet reason it might sound at first, Tatara has just this entitlement to be the one to corrupt and ruin you since your shyness is equally adored and disliked from him. He's possessive and most likely one of the first to start calculating and planning on how to kidnap you. Since he has so little respect for others, he never really bothers to get rid of those he knows hate on you and wish you death. He has enough underlings to spare who can spill the blood for him.

Washuu Kichimaru

🟣Kichimaru is someone who has the act of a pretender nearly down to perfection which allows him to lead some sort of double life. He has his hands involved in numerous companies and organizations and with that influence comes a lot of wealth and power. He pretty much inherited it from his father who used to be a chairman, even though he was a illegimate child. Kichimaru worked his way diligently and slyly upwards from there on and he does not shy away from cheap tricks. He has a very duplicitous nature, able to play the polite and soft-spoken chairman and representative of his company who respects his co-workers and employees. Reality looks different though and that's especially true for him. He cares in real life little about the people he works with and has tainted his hands with the malice and blood of the black market and crimes. He is a nihilist after all, he believes that everything will end anyways so he might as well take advantage out of it and have some fun.

🟣His nihilistic view seems to twist and bend the moment he saw you on TV for the first time and found himself instantly enraptured. All things are going to end and the efforts of humans are useless in the end anyways, that's what he used to believe. But you...are eternal. Ethereal. Kichimaru doesn't want you to end nor does he sees the work and effort you put in as useless. Obsessive doesn't even seem to be the right word for Kichimaru, he's way beyond that and is the sort of Yandere and obsessive fan who takes a trophy for being highly and unbearably disturbing. Maybe that comes from the fact that Kichimaru has pretty much declared his s/o to be his purpose and sweet sunshine in this otherwise boring and gray world, he just wants to have them and is selfish enough to go through as quick as possible with his plans. Since he has so many underlings in so many places it is especially easy and he is definitely going to find a way to stalk you or at the very least let someone stalk you for him.

🟣That's how he gets his photos and that is how he gets some things of you which he adds to his shrine he has dedicated to you. Don't misunderstand him, he loves all the pictures that he has found from you and which cover every last centimeter of his walls. Those who are being snapped without you knowing are just more special since he's the only one who gets to see them. Kichimaru reacts, similar to Naki, very sensitive to any hatred and pressure put your way since you are his innocent and cute angel. Differently from Naki, who takes a violent approach, Kichimaru takes the sadistic approach. He loves destroying someone who hurt you and completely justifies all the killing because of it. He's some sort of puppeteer who pulls all of the strings, who watches how he crushes a human and laughs about their futile efforts to go on and wait for the better days. By the end of it all he kills them, sometimes in a really gruesome way if they forced you to do something you didn't want or tried to hurt you.

🟣He keeps his crazed obsession away when he acts as chairman of his company, taking the role of the quiet and soft-spoken leader once again. That doesn't mean that he just hides the fact that he's a fan of yours completely. He continues to listen during work to your music since it keeps him motivated an in a good mood and he's somewhat delighted when someone notices it and addresses him since they're a fellow fan as well. He's glad to know that s/o is so beloved, on the other hand it often has him feeling queasy as well. He knows how delicate and bashful darling is and it worries him sick, especially with how dangerous and ugly people can be and he should know best. He's being hypocritical at best since he has deluded himself into believing that he can cherish his s/o most and protect them the best when he himself is under the radar of the public involved in criminal activities. Maybe a part of him knows that, he's too needy and selfish to care much in the end though.

#yandere naruto #yandere naruto shippuden #yandere pain #yandere yahiko #yandere tokyo ghoul #yandere juuzou #yandere juuzou suzuya #yandere uta #yandere itori #yandere naki #yandere tatara #yandere kichimaru #yandere washuu kichimaru

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Finally got around to writing down some thoughts on the differences between Empathy and the original—per scene and then a general reflection.

Episode 10

(episode 10 differences)

Going through this chronologically, our first comparison is the captain encounter. Honestly I think NMJ was straight-up inventing most of this—even aside from the sheer absurdity of MY, what, smuggling XY out of prison, bringing him into the middle of everything (he runs into the Captain and friend AND WWX!), XY…just going back into prison…well, anyway, putting all that aside—the Captain's questions here seem like NMJ's preoccupations, not the Captain's. The Captain is hugely contemptuous of MY, but he's not, like, obsessed with his innermost heart, you know? "You're lying! I just saw that. You were talking. Tell me honestly. What's your ulterior motive?"—that's NMJ, not the Captain at all. Plus there's the way the Captain grabs MY basically the exact same way NMJ does.

Next up there's MY telling NHS he's going to go check on XY—minor phrasing differences aside, one thing that's interesting is we don't get all of MY's reaction/decision before he tells NHS in Empathy, just the tail end:

Ahhhh, now, the bit where NMJ sees MY stab the captain! You can see here the beginning of a pattern of Empathy erasing the Wen. MY throwing himself in front of the blade to save NMJ is removed, of course, but so is NMJ fighting WZL, as he was before going to the prison in episode 10; in the Empathy he's just kind of standing there. And then sees MY, uh, creepily pick up a sword??? And follows him??? Instead of hearing that XY's escaped and running to the prison because of that, which is of course what happened in episode 10. (So XY is erased some in this scene, too; even when it comes to MY's excuses, he says It wasn't me, but we don't get to 'Xue Yang killed him', as we do in the original.)

Some other points of interest here… Of course the expression NMJ sees on MY as MY kills the captain is only shown in Empathy. Interestingly, also, while MY is quite clearly terrified at NMJ's approach in both, in episode 10 it's presented immediately, while in the Empathy he has a beat before he starts reacting that way.

The last scene—NMJ confronting MY and kicking him out of Qinghe. In the Empathy, we start with MY having been thrown onto the floor, rolling—but this isn't there in episode 10, and to be honest I think it probably didn't actually happen. First, while I can see NMJ throwing MY onto the floor, I don't actually think he'd throw him quite that hard at this point in time? And it's also got a lot of visual echoes of JGY rolling down the stairs; I think he's projecting backwards. Of course, it still takes MY longer to recover in episode 10; Empathy consistently minimizes the physical harm done to MY.

So the conversation is interesting because it's really just two different conversations in the Empathy vs episode 10. In episode 10, MY leads with the Captain's abuse of him, and he's clear that it's habitual, ongoing, long-term. In Empathy, he leads with the Captain releasing XY, /adds in/ that the Captain wanted to kill him (that's not there in episode 10!), and absolutely skips over and minimizes the abuse: the beatings aren't mentioned, the credit-stealing isn't mentioned, the insulting and humiliating… even the 'Every time' is removed from before the 'he humiliated my mother', making it seem like this was a one-off provocation instead of habitual. NMJ's somewhat unhinged rant about MY's motives, including the would you have killed everyone at the cave if I hadn't helped you, is also Empathy-only (and then when MY starts to reply NMJ is like, Don't lie to me! and MY shuts up, suggesting perhaps that a denial would have been lying, which may be part of why people think this is a remotely reasonable assertion).

Some other interesting things—in episode 10, we see NMJ lift his sabre and then lower it, unable to go through with it; in Empathy, we don't see that at all—in general I think there's less of a sense that he's struggling with his decision, in Empathy, it's more just like He Is Doing The Righteous Justice. Fascinatingly we also don't see him put Baxia away in Empathy—I think he must because we see a scene where he already had, in episode 10, but we don't actually see it. We also don't see MY, injured, get up and thank NMJ and walk out, or indeed NMJ's conflicted gaze after him; the scene cuts off too soon.

Episode 22

(episode 22 differences)

There's only one scene for episode 22: the WRH, NMJ, and MY scene, inside Sun Palace. Right off the bat, we have the Wen erasure again; the episode 22 scene starts with WRH directly addressing NMJ and tormenting him and his Nie cultivators, whereas the Empathy one only starts when MY walks in. (Although interestingly MY addresses WRH as xiandu, while he doesn't seem to say anything with his bow in episode 22).

This one is an interesting scene because there's relatively little overlap? In the episode 10 scenes, you mostly saw different versions of the same events; in this one there's some of that, but there are also large chunks of time that are only in episode 22 or only in Empathy. Most of the MY-interacting-with-NMJ is only in Empathy, including, yes, the damn sabre touch. But we do have the beginning of MY talking to NMJ in both. MY's expression is different in Episode 22 vs Empathy—it's a little hard to capture in a still, but it's a lot more, mmm, simpering-mockery in the Empathy version?

Ah, one detail that's interesting—so, in CQL—which is to say in Empathy because we don't see this sequence at all in Episode 22—when that Nie cultivator calls the place 'a den of Wen' he uses 温/温氏, for Wen, and then when people are insulting MY in this scene they're using 走狗. But in MDZS all of those are actually 温狗, Wen-dog. Which is definitely more directly disrespectful to WRH than the 走狗 insults, but I feel like in general CQL doesn't use 温狗 a lot, while in MDZS it's all over the place—so while it's an interesting detail I'm not sure it's suggestive for Empathy in particular. Hmmm.

We return to things being shown in both Empathy and Episode 22 with NMJ shoving MY back. In Empathy, we only see MY stagger a little, while in episode 22 it's quite considerable—again, Empathy's tendency to minimize the physical damage MY suffers.

And then MY kicks NMJ in return! Okay this is actually fascinating, because in Empathy, it looks like this totally wipes NMJ out, and the scene stops here. But that isn't at all what happened! He's knocked onto his back, yes, BUT he recovers and comes up and shoves MY hard enough he goes flying:

He gets up and goes to attack MY, and would probably have killed him if WRH hadn't interfered. Which, don't get me wrong, is entirely reasonable of him given his understanding of the situation but it is not at all the impression you'd get from Empathy. If anything NMJ's collapse in the Empathy after MY kicks him looks like the collapse he has after WRH finishes with him, in episode 22. And MY saying How dare you be so rude in front of Clan Leader Wen when he kicks NMJ is also removed—the whole sequence here is really another example of the removal of the Wen from the Empathy scenes.

Incidentally, MY didn't actually kill all the Nie cultivators, in this scene. If you look while MY is flying back, at least one of them is still alive:

And then you can see all four are dead while NMJ's attacking WRH:

But MY has been on the floor recovering from NMJ's attack, so he definitely didn't kill the at least one and quite probably two who are still alive.

WRH asks MY if NMJ killed Wen Xu question; you have MY staying quite noticeably silent, which I think is still meant to be understood as MY saving NMJ's life. I guess they changed it because the MDZS version really doesn't work with the flow of events as happens in CQL? For the record, in MDZS MY answers yes, but then immediately suggests that they torture him instead of killing him immediately, and then once WRH isn't set on killing him immediately, kills WRH on the spot and starts lugging NMJ's unconscious body out of there. So there's no WWX for distraction, and Sunshot's army definitely isn't right outside, there's only LXC he sent a message to and who hasn't quite shown up yet—so in MDZS he's taking a bigger risk, and more unambiguously saving NMJ's life and winning them the war. Which is not, to be clear, to in any way minimize CQL MY's astonishing bravery and achievements.

Episode 23

(episode 23 differences)

So in both we start with LXC holding NMJ and looking down at him. In episode 23, when NMJ sees MY, we see LXC see and notice his reaction and /then/ look over at MY in concern, whereas in Empathy we don't get that moment—it just goes to both of them looking at MY.

NMJ demands his sabre back, and in both MY complies, though in the Empathy one he takes a beat longer and looks more worried about it. In the original, MY also has "Let me explain" which is dropped from the Empathy.

In both we have NMJ attacking MY with Baxia, and trying to get past Shuoyue—in the Empathy it's a bit shorter, though, and we also lose LXC asking NMJ what he's doing this for. I think that goes with cutting LXC seeing NMJ react before he looks over at MY, above; the effect is to make NMJ's response seem more obvious/natural, when in fact LXC is pretty baffled by it at the time.

"he became the Wen's underling and had been helping the tyrant at Nevernight!"—the language on 'became the Wen's underling' is actually different in episode 23 vs Empathy. In episode 23, you have 原来投靠了温氏; in Empathy, though, it's 原来是做了走狗. Note the 走狗 as earlier!

Okay, and now the big one: LXC giving NMJ reasons they should trust MY/not kill him. Empathy cuts most of this. It keeps that MY is the one who sent the map, but it drops: that the reason LXC is here today is because MY sent him a message; that MY was the one who schemed to get WRH's guard down, and then /killed him/; that MY was the one who saved LXC's life after CR burned; and that MY independently approached WRH to spy on him and has been sending LXC letters the whole time. /That's really not trivial. That's a lot to cut./

I wonder if this has any relation to the common idea that LXC did not in fact have a lot of very good reasons to trust JGY.

(Incidentally it's after the MY killed WRH reveal, in episode 23, that NMJ lowers his blade.)

...also. so. In episode 23 LXC asks MY, you know, didn't he already tell NMJ about all this (a question which makes a lot more sense in MDZS, where NMJ has already woken up before LXC joins them, but I just run with it), and MY says, you saw it ZWJ, even if I had he wouldn't have believed me. And NMJ—again it's kind of hard to capture in a still, but he pretty much reacts like he thinks that's ridiculous and MY is just making excuses/being manipulative?

And then of course that gets erased from the Empathy, as well as as just mentioned most of the reasons LXC actually gave. So. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh, this also means it cuts what I'm pretty sure is the first on-screen use of A-Yao—it does show up later in the Empathy version of this scene, so I don't think that's hugely significant, but just as a note.

Then there's MY kneeling in preparation for apology, which is in both Empathy and episode 23. The Empathy cuts make it seem like he kneels pretty much right after NMJ lowers his blade, though, and we don't get to see him making the deliberate choice to step out if LXC's protection to kneel—again, I think it makes LXC seem more understanding of NMJ than he actually is here.

The apology proper is only in Empathy; honestly it mostly seems fairly reasonable to me, although it does mean you only hear LXC saying "But I believe, when he was doing such things, deep in his heart he must have been…" after the version that cuts most of his reasons for believing that. In terms of actual changes, I wonder if LXC reacted more quickly/strongly to the bit where it looks like NMJ is actually going to kill MY? It's definitely more understated than his previous reactions, and it would fit with the other changes made.

Last scene: the oath. At this point I think it's fairly well-known that NMJ looking at JGY, and LXC turning his head to look at them both, is only in Empathy—there's also, maybe?, a small change to the text; in episode 23, "Both God and people will be furious with us" is 天人共怒, but in Empathy it's 天人共戮. I say maybe because—on the one hand, the subs definitely use a different character, and it's in both the YT subs and the Netflix subs even though those aren't always 100% identical, but while I'm not usually checking the audio for this I did here because it's just the one character and the audio pretty much sounds the same to me? (ep 23) (Empathy) Could just be my ear, or a mistake on the subs' part or the audio part, who knows.

Overview

Looking at all the changes together, a few patterns emerge.

First, people who are doing damage who aren't JGY—the Wen, XY—tend to get minimized or erased from the narrative. Similarly and to some extent as a result, the harm caused by JGY is exaggerated; also similarly, the good that JGY does is also minimized or erased. Meanwhile, the damage done /to/ JGY is minimized—both the environment of abuse he suffered at Qinghe, and the physical harm done to him, which he usually recovers from much more quickly in Empathy (even when the attack itself is made stronger as, unusually, it is in the confrontation where NMJ kicks MY out of Qinghe). Finally MY is made more manipulative than he necessarily is; while I'm not saying he's never being manipulative, NMJ understands his expressions of weakness as /purely/ manipulative and inherently false, when in fact the weakness MY expresses is very real, however calculated, or not!, its expression may be.

Honestly—in this JGY who does way more harm and way less good than he actually does, who is more powerful and experiences less damage than he actually does, who is never actually weak but only acting that way to manipulate people? I feel like I'm seeing a lot of where popular takes on JGY come from.

#long meta #more than one tag could contain

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