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lizacstuff · 3 years

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i'd love (if you'd like ofc) to hear your thoughts on episode 20 as a whole! i personally really really enjoyed it.. it had some very good moments not only between edser but between serkan and his dad and selin. and of course were serving that angsty, but flirty, UST that we all love! it felt like a weight was lifted off serkan and he just became even more open with her, if that makes sense? what he says to her about leaving in the latest fragman kinda shows that too.

Are you sure you want my full thoughts? Because I'm about to get long winded, like novel long winded, lol. To start off, on a superficial note, can I say that casually dressed, brooding Serkan was pretty hot? Hello, Sailor! Can we see you in pullovers and hoodies and T-shirts more often? But just happier? He was soooo sad in the opening scenes, and honestly, when you think about it, it's pretty dark that he was so messed up that he didn't leave the house or attend to any business matters for those couple of days. Very unlike him, but he's probably never been at this depth of despair before. Now, since pretty much everyone knows he wasn't leaving the house while Eda was gone, I hope someone (cough Melo cough) tells Eda, she should know that. On a similar note, Eda's friendship with the girls is so lovely. They're indeed her family. Interesting juxtaposition that she took refuge with her friends, while Serkan holed up and stayed away from everyone who cares about him.

I agree that once we got past the dark brooding and he had the talk with his mom about how if Eda was punishing him there was still hope, he was a lot lighter. I think finally being out from under the secret did him a world of good. He can finally stop pretending to be indifferent and can just be honest about how he feels. What the “Gitme” line in the fragman tells me, is that he’s ready to put it all out there. He’s not going to risk miscommunications or hurt feelings anymore. Which is amazing and should lead to great things in the next couple of episodes.

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I absolutely agree about the scenes between Serkan and his dad and Serkan and Selin. The writing was really terrific and Kerem just knocked both of those scenes out of the park. Serkan's suppressed fury was palpable, and it was extremely cathartic to finally watch him let loose on both of them. The scene with his father went deeper in the family trauma and it was so interesting to hear Serkan say outright to both of them that the reason he moved onto the property was because Aydan couldn't leave and his dad was never there, and was never there for him as a father at all. Which we saw from the beginning when Alpteken was actually at the house but refused to attend his son's engagement party. Regardless of the fact that Serkan sprung Eda on them, not walking 50 feet to make an appearance at your son's engagement party is an asshole move. I wonder how long he's been cheating on Aydan? Years? It's interesting how she foreshadowed that revelation to Ayfer, like she knew.

Also I can't believe he was just cavorting around a luxury hotel in Istanbul. The whole Bolat family are obviously figures in the upscale social scene, anyone who knew Aydan or Serkan could have easily spotted him with that woman and gleefully spread the gossip back. Did he want to get caught? Jerkoff.

As for Selin, we been waitin' for that explosion since she sold her shares without telling Serkan! I like that Serkan was kind to her after Ferit left her at the altar, it spoke to him taking responsibility for the part he played in trying to manipulate her out of that relationship. However, she took advantage of the new, kinder Serkan (the one that exists courtesy of Eda) and went way too far into unstable territory. I, and many other people, were so confused about why Selin was so angry about uncovering the truth of the accident, like what right did she have to be that angry over it, to stomp over to his house, barge in uninvited and accuse him of being a liar at top decibel levels? Thank goodness the writing acknowledged that it was not her place, and that was the thing that enraged Serkan. They actually allowed him to say, "How dare you come to my house, and I don't owe you any explanations." Also, I'm glad he laid out his feelings for Eda, and his lack of feelings for her. Look... that is rough. Hearing from an ex that they never loved you. But how she could have been in any doubt, after seeing the changes in him since Eda is beyond my comprehension. She even said early on, It's like there's two Serkans, the one before you met Eda, and the one after. For whatever reason it's like she thought Eda could come in and affect him, and then she could step in and get the Serkan who was in love with Eda, not the rigid, cold one who was in a relationship of convenience with her. DELUSIONAL.

There was so much more about this episode I loved. It was nice to see Ayfer blossoming in her new business and getting a glimpse of Fifi's past. She comes from a society family, does she? I liked that Ferit helped them. I do agree that impressing Ceren was probably on his mind, but I like to think he's also just a nice man and he likes Ayfer and wanted to genuinely help as well. Interesting that we found out that Ferit's mom never liked Selin. Curious since you'd think she'd look great on paper, perhaps it was because of the speed at which they were moving, and I think she also stood them up, right? That made me like Ferit's mom a bit more than I otherwise would have.

Aydan was in her element getting back to her charity work, I loved the way she plotted to put her name forward for the leadership position. She's just so savvy. That's why I'm glad she's now TeamEda! Imagine what a formidable duo Eda and Adyan will make in this world, we saw a glimpse of it last week, but they'll be unstoppable!

The contract was a neat device. I really appreciate how it was used. One of the things that Eda feels like she can't trust is the way Serkan has tried to control her. As I've said before, I think he's really trying to control the situation. And while that doesn't really make a difference to Eda in this instance, it does make a difference to me as a viewer. If he were being controlling in the sense of trying to dictate what she says or who she is, that would be upsetting. But that's not it, he really loves her for who she is already and he's not trying to change that, he's just, as I said, trying to control the situation. We know that he likes to think everything through and always has a plan and in this instance he was just trying to protect her, but she's right that he can't do that in a relationship. Proving to her that he can cede control is important and that's exactly what the contract did. We saw him do it willingly and blindly and it was actually really beautiful. Obviously, the Serkan apology to Erdem was hilarious, but more than how much I enjoyed how funny it was, I enjoyed how delighted Eda was by it. She loved every minute of it and it was so nice to see her relax a minute and genuinely laugh both at and with Serkan. Additionally, I think she was pretty surprised that he'd followed through with it. Lots of layers to that scene.

The charity meeting he engineered was also pretty fun to watch. I loved how he calls Engin in to join them with no prep and then just expects Engin to reel off a bunch of good ideas for the girls education initiative. Good times. And Leyla rushing in to let him know that Melo had quit was hilarious, I love that Serkan was like "the whole situation is right here" meaning that Eda was in the room so whatever Leyla had to tell him could not possibly be important. Only Eda is important! LOL. Then Serkan doesn't even think before looping Engin in to go immediately hire Melo. You know what I hope this means!? That my crackship Mengin might actually sail!!!! LET'S DO THIS MENGIN!!!! Oh... I know, the show seems really committed to the mismatched duo of Engin/Peril, but I really think Engin and Melo are better suited to one another. And now maybe they'll get scenes together. Piril can dump him for being too... him, and Melo can help him pick up the pieces. They would be Serkan and Eda's big-hearted, teddybear couple friends!

Watching Eda blossom creatively and professionally while working with Serkan has been a joy. She doesn't stand in awe of him at all as a person, but she does a little professionally, and it's wonderful to see how no matter how angry she is with him or where they are in their relationship she always craves his feedback, takes in his critiques and suggestions, and basks in his praise. While she didn't want his help with her schoolwork, I can't help but wonder if he ever comes up at school. I mean she's in the tabloids with him, and since he's extremely relevant to the field of study, and specifically to that school since he built the library, do her classmates ask her about him? Or does she mention something she did or learned working at ArtLife while in class? Inquiring minds want to know.

As for Eda's resolve to keep things professional, that pretty much was DOA. She definitely challenged him to break the contract there in that room, and I think she actually wanted him to do it, though I’m not sure how she would have reacted. she wants him, but she wasn’t there yet. She knows resistance is futile, deep down she recognizes her own feelings and his and knows they'll never stay away from one another and it's only a matter-of-time, but I think she needs this. She needs for him to understand what it means to be in a relationship, she needs him to know that he can't make decisions without her, and she needs to be sure he's ready to be a partner. Thankfully, he made a lot of headway in demonstrating all of those things in this episode. He signed without reading, he was willing to do anything and everything she asked, and while he's still him (asking Leyla for intel) he respected her wishes while still being there for her in a real way throughout the episode.

Poor Eda fainting, but it's really romantic that he's always there to catch her. I assume this narcolepsy or whatever it is, like her claustrophobia, is related to the trauma around the retaining wall collapse and her parents' death. It was sweet the way he convinced her to let him be there when she met the contractor, and then during the confrontation he didn't intervene, he let Eda say what she needed to say and was there to move the guy along when it was time. He was pretty much perfect. I know we all NEEDED him to hug her, both Eda and Serkan NEEDED it as well, but she wasn't ready to ask for him yet and he was smart enough not to push it. But the loooooooooonging.

It's a small detail that she asked him to deal with the paps and he went home and set about doing just that. Hopefully whatever he was doing will lead to the revelation that Selin is the one who planted the story in the first place. I need that, we all need that. And just when you think it's too late at night, he does their "thing" and shows up at her place with Sirius. So dang sweet. I like that he was respecting her pretense about colleagues while at the same time just outright saying, "I'm worried about you. Are you okay?"

The next day's car ride left me in a puddle. Serkan just out there telling her that he would do anything for her. But he didn't push it on her, he waited until she asked. He did a great job of pacing himself through the episode. I find it so romantic that she told him that he couldn't watch her speech. If they were together and settled and happy, I'd think she'd want him front row, center, but in their current state he just affects her too much. She'd be focused on him, worried about what he thought, distracted by him, he just sends her mind whiring and her pulse racing.

Though, it's pretty telling and super sweet that the first thing she wants to know when he approaches her afterward is what he thought of the speech. Oh, Eda, you're not fooling anyone. His opinion is most important to you, pretty much in all things. This scene gives us something that rarely happens, Engin being tone deaf and not reading the room!! WTF was wrong with him? Interrupting like that? Dude knows that Serkan is in a situation here, you don't interrupt for really no reason like that! Get your head in the game, son! Your his wingman, you help, not hinder!

The way Eda blushed and looked pleased every time he complimented her this episode was something else. She's trying to keep emotional distance, and he's breaking the rules when he does it, but still it makes her day. She's never portrayed as a vain character, at all, so it's just so sweet how his words and his compliments affect her. No one else can make her feel like that.

Serkan was pretty sly in making his case as well. He gets her a bit mushy telling her she lights up the room and then brings up her speech and how it might apply to him. He was right in that she probably hasn't considered things from his perspective. How devastating it must have been for him to learn the truth. I want her to go back and piece together the timeline. She knew something wasn't right with him at the mall when she gave him the robot. Maybe it will help her deal with this if she realizes he had just learned the secret. She knew there was more to the story with the cut on his hand. Knowing he was so upset he put his hand through a coffee table might give her some perspective on his state of mind and why he acted the way he did. But mostly I want him to tell her he overheard her conversation with Ceren. I think it's important for them both to confront how things unraveled if only to help prevent future miscommunications.

Poor Eda having a good time using her powers of persuasion to tease Serkan into helping his mother only to find out that she had convinced him to auction himself off for a dinner date! I enjoyed her momentary discomfort at that. Welcome back, jealousy. Strictly work colleagues do not get jealous when one goes out to dinner with someone else, just saying, Eda. And that smooth bastard bid on himself so he could go out with her only. We should have known!

The conversation prior to the runway show was priceless, Eda's animosity and reserve sort of disappear and she's just unsure enough of what she's about to do that his reassurances are exactly what she needs. And how Kerem Bursin can blush on demand, I don't know, but Serkan be red during that conversation, lol.

I really loved all of Serkan's reactions as the ladies walked the runway. For Selin he was stone-faced and bored looking, for Fifi he gave a sly smirk as she passed as an acknowledgement of how different, and nice, she looked all cleaned up, Melo got the huge grin, we didn't really see Ceren since the camera was stuck on Ferit, but for Piril he gave her the fond, encouraging smile like he was proud of his friend. And then Eda. I don't even know what word to use for it. Enraptured? Dumsquizzled? Fuckstruck? Yes, let's go with fuckstruck. I'm not sure he remembered to breathe while she was walking, he was so affected by her. This boy has it bad for this girl, ya'll.

After that, the end was a punch in the gut. Our poor babies have been through so much, they really deserved to have that nice dinner. Damn you, Selin! Obviously this was a delaying tactic, because once they sat down to dinner, you know they would have worked it out, so we wait. But the reconciliation is coming, don't you worry. I'm feeling it within the next 2 episodes for sure.

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lizacstuff · 3 years

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i see this growing sentiment after many people watch with this subs that eda was being unnecessarily harsh or unfair towards serkan this episode and i'm wondering what your thoughts on that were? i personally don't agree at all and can see why eda feels like she needs to take some control back from a situation she thinks she had 0 control in (and tbh, serkan seems to like the whole punishment deal lmao)

I agree with you, I think Eda’s reaction has been actually pretty charitable. It’s not like we’re on episode 10 of Eda not forgiving him, she found out the truth at the beginning of this episode! Can we give her one episode to set some boundaries and get her bearings?

Obviously, one of Eda’s character flaws is that she is very volatile in emotional situations. She reacts spontaneously, she doesn’t listen all that well and she doesn’t think before reacting. However, one of her most admirable character traits is that she always, eventually calms down and is willing to reexamine the situation.

So I can see how it’s frustrating to watch some of their scenes, because Eda is so angry that she’s not really hearing him. However, Serkan just spent weeks hiding this from her and breaking her heart in the process. We all know his heart was in the right place, but she deserves to have whatever reaction comes without tempering it for his comfort. He can handle it.

For me, I think she came around very quickly. Within an hour of finding out, she had confronted Alpteken and was able to plainly tell Serkan that the accident wasn’t his fault and she didn’t blame him. She was also able to articulate that had he just told her in the first place they would have gotten through it together. Both of those thoughts/reaction show a maturity of mind, well beyond her volatile initial reactions. In that sense, she was incredibly fair with him. She didn’t blame him for anything that was beyond his control.

She only blamed him for what he did: his decision to break up with her rather than confide in her. You hit the nail on the head when you talk about her needing to feel in control. I predicted him trying to control the situation was what she would be most upset about, so I think it makes sense that she reacted by trying to take back control. As I’ve said Eda feeling like Serkan is being controlling has been her biggest issue with him. I do think it’s usually Serkan trying to control the situation and not so much her, but it is behavior he’s going to have to alter if he wants to be with her. And we know he wants to be with her.

Which was pretty much what this episode was about. How much Serkan wants to be with her and what he’s willing to do to convince her of that. And to that point, Eda was testing him with the contract. Even if only subconsciously. Because let’s be real, she didn’t really need that contract in order to make her working environment at Art Life tenable. She could have just told him to stay away from her and that would be that. She didn’t do that, she presented him with a game, their game. And if he hadn’t been willing to sign the contract, and to play said game, then she would have known he wasn’t willing to bend, to cede control of the situation. Which is what she most needs to know when deciding on a future with him.

Thankfully, he came through that test with flying colors. Engin and Piril’s expression were priceless when they realized he would have gladly, blindly signed over the company to her. There were so many moments this episode when Serkan proved that he’s willing to do whatever necessary to get her to forgive him. And my heart about melted out of my chest when he said, “In time you will understand, Eda, there is nothing that I would not do for you.”

DAMN, SON.

He was bringing the romantic heat with that one. And she melted too. You can see it through the rest of the episode. Later when he talks to her about mistakes and asks her to put herself in his place, she was ready to hear it. He choose his moment well. Because it’s true that she probably hadn’t yet thought about it too thoroughly from his perspective. That’s not what she needed to do right away, but she was able to get to that point in a short amount of time and able to get to the point where she was willing to have dinner with him in a short amount of time as well. (Damn you, Selin!)

All in all I think this episode showed her extraordinary capacity for forgiveness. It also showed how big her heart is, and that, ultimately, it belongs to him.

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lizacstuff · 3 years

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Do you think they will write Selin out if this show goes beyond ~25 episodes? She has no purpose on this show anymore except attempts at hurting EdSer and when they get back together for reals, there will REALLY be no point. Ferit has moved on, she sold almost all of her shares and I'm waiting for Serkan to ask her to leave the company altogether. (And she seems like she hates being there anyway?) or I guess I will hope Bige Onal finds another project and leaves cause she must dislike Selin too

Selin lost her damn mind, ya’ll! Wow, they went full on crazy ex-girlfriend with her, didn’t they? However, was there a more satisfying scene than Serkan ripping up at her? Damn, that felt good. Gotta sting to hear that he never loved her, but can it really be a surprise? I mean she’s been watching how he acts when he’s in love and it bears no resemblance to how he was with her. She should have caught on long before he had to yell it at her in anger to drive the point home.

You ask an interesting question, I’m not sure what they do with her if the show goes beyond its current episode order. (Last week, I read that they ordered 6 more). First let me address the question of Bige potentially wanting to leave because she “must dislike Selin too.” Come on, that’s not how this works. Actors like to have paying jobs and they like to play interesting characters, often it’s more fun for them if the characters are a bit darker or “bad,” so thinking she would want to leave because her character is going down a nefarious path is probably an erroneous assumption.

Although, she might want to leave because of wardrobe!! LMAO. The costumers are having a good time making Selin look as ridiculous as possible, aren’t they? First the Judy Jetson jumpsuit and then all the other ladies were put in bangin’ dresses for the fashion show that showed them all to their best advantage, but Selin gets stuck walking the runway in an old curtain. It was probably the most “fashion” dress, but since the point of that scene was to see all the men drool, she really got the short-end of the stick (not that any of the male characters would have dropped-their-jaw over her).

I’m trying to figure out what the writers are doing with her, and I think this goes back to something I said last week. Selin has probably never been thwarted in her entire life. She grew up rich, privileged and sheltered and probably got whatever she wanted, when she wanted it. Now she’s lost a lot, she’s been humiliated in a myriad of ways, her “heart” (but I still doubt she has one, or feels all that deeply, I think it’s more about pride and getting her way) has been broken, and the future(s) she envisioned have gone up in smoke. She’s spiraling hard core, and she has no idea how to deal with this adversity. And she’s so self-centered that she doesn’t know how to look inward and examine the part she played in any of this and so she’s just lashing out and looking for people to blame. It probably hasn’t occurred to her that these petty things she’s doing, things that in the long run are going to make no different whatsoever, are going to cause her to lose even more.

If Serkan finds out that she leaked the breakup-- along with the vile lie he cheated on Eda-- to the tabloids, I can’t imagine how she could keep her PR job. Talk about self-sabotage, she proved she can’t be trusted and that professionally she’s causing more problems than she fixes. No way she can stay on, at least not at the 50% of her job that was at Art Life where she doesn’t have an ownership stake.

If it becomes known that she interfered with Eda by sending her to the wrong restaurant, I don’t think that does much to her relationships with Eda or Serkan because they’re both already past done with her personally, but it could serve to damage the rest of her relationships though. Piril, namely. It’s hard to tell because of the translations, but it seemed to me that Piril was side-eyeing Selin’s Eda/Serkan smacktalk through the whole episode, so if she finds out the unhinged and unprincipled way she interfered with them, I can’t imagine that friendship surviving.

Once grandma arrives, they could keep her around to play spoiler with her 5%? If Serkan tries to fire her from the holding after finding out what she did, Grandma could vote with her to keep her on?? I’m not sure why, unless Grandma sees her as a useful ally if she wants to try and part Serkan and Eda. Other than that, I don’t know what purpose she can serve.

Selin has really made herself irredeemable unless she gets serious help. Like check herself into a facility and get intensive therapy kind of help. I mean think about how self-centered, how devoid of empathy, one would have to be to try and make Eda even more miserable after knowing that she just learned how her parents were killed and how that secret destroyed so much for her. Especially when Selin played a role in her finding out in a very upsetting, abrupt way. Like what, Selin, the penniless orphan is prettier than you and the boy likes her better? Abhorrent.

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