#sorry but clone erasure really sends me

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I've been seeing this quote from the Claudia Gray line from "Master and Apprentice" go around:

Every person Obi-Wan ever truly loved—Anakin, Satine, Padmé, and Qui-Gon himself—came to a terrible end.

And, like, okay, maybe unreliable narrator, but. Tell me you don't know any combat veterans without telling me you don't know any combat veterans.

Because after three years of war, Obi-Wan is going to truly love at least some of his men to the same level as he loves those four.

Christopher Cantwell's Obi-Wan comic gets it. Three of the five issues — which cover more than just the Clone War — show how deeply Obi-Wan cares about the clone troopers he led and served with. And, ahem, how he misses Cody to this day, to be precise.

And, if I'm allowed to get a little "conspiracy Charlie" meme, if "so it goes with my friends, it seems" refers to Anakin also trying to kill him, then Obi-Wan puts his relationship with Cody on the same level as his relationship to Anakin, ergo canonically Obi-Wan also loved Cody in his own way. QED.

#sorry but clone erasure really sends me #also the civil-military divide really sends me #but mostly this is still about my hyperfixation on the clone wars atm #obi wan kenobi #star wars the clone wars #commander cody #codywan #obi wan comic

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What do you think?

For a long time I have been making a theory that Horde Prime was doing an experiment with Hordak, we have already seen that he is a scientist and an emperor, he cloned himself (I don’t think he has trusted anyone else to do a delicate process and important for his empire).

I have definitely seen the theory that Hordak is a “special” clone and was meant to be somehow more intelligent or independent than the others, specifically to perform leadership tasks. I could see how, this being the case, defects may have resulted from the altered cloning attempt. I think this is definitely possible. And that it would be an awful revelation for him.

I also think it was a great coincidence that while Hordak was in the first row, fortunately a portal was opened that sent him to Etheria, also when he receives the message from Hordak, he does not seem surprised, he says it as calm as if he would have expected it, he never mentions “wow, you are alive” when the message arrives, rather it is a “you were there little brother”, he knew that Hordak lived on another planet, so I thought maybe he was just evaluating the loyalty of his clones, Hordak was second-in-command, which made him the closest clone to him and made him the excellent test subject to demonstrate his loyalty, and also gave him the variable that he is us. “You are a failure” could strengthen his determination, as Hordak had shown that he wanted to stand out (based on what Rae had to say about his appearance change) to assess the survival and obedience your clones can have even without communicating with the Horde. 

Ohh... interesting. I see: the idea that Prime sent him to Etheria on purpose, yes? I’ve never subscribed to this theory (I actually like to think that Light Hope grabbed him the way she grabbed Adora, solely to give the new She-Ra someone to fight), but it’s an interesting one! I suppose one reason I don’t necessarily think that Prime sent Hordak to Etheria is because he doesn’t seem to know what Etheria is. He’s about to take Glimmer out when Catra intervenes. If he had sent Hordak there on purpose, I feel like he’d seem more aware.

That, and I don’t know that Prime would perform experiments with that level of variability. We know he values control and sameness; playing around with a significantly unique clone seems a bit odd. But who knows? Perhaps that’s exactly what he did! We’ll have to see.

The port in Hordak’s neck can erase and enter informative, what prevented him from giving him a genetic error in the same way that he erased his memories? 

Ah, while I’m not entirely certain how Hordak’s ports and Prime’s mind control work, I don’t think alteration of DNA in that fashion would be plausible. Like how you can install a new program on a computer, altering software, for example, but the hardware of the computer stays the same. Prime altered Hordak’s software, but changing his actual physical body, on purpose, in that fashion seems out of reach. Or at least unlikely. I would more strongly believe the idea that Hordak’s cloning process was special in some way and simply didn’t give the desired results.

Or, perhaps, that his body contained some sort of kill switch that Prime activated upon Hordak becoming too individualistic, leading to his degeneration. That would work, too.

Also, Hordak couldn’t remember it because Horde Prime would easily take that memory away from him. Another thing that I support with my theory is that, in reality, the punishment that he gave to Hordak was not so serious, yes, all kinds of advances that made him leave him at zero, but still allowed him to return to his side. He no longer has a very important side, but he returned to his ranks as he wanted and mainly punished him for becoming an individual and not a clone that Horde Prime can read and control. But he did not destroy his body and a part of him has been living his target since he fell into Etheria.

Ah, this I cannot agree with. What Prime did to Hordak was vicious and sick. He may not have destroyed his body, but he still killed him. He specifically killed everything that Hordak was simply because it existed. Erasure of self is... it’s a monstrous thing. And allowing “Hordak” to live on as an obedient slave is not something I view as kind. It’s heinous.

It seems to me that Horde Prime was more cruel to Hordak when his mistake started than when it already became an abomination to his eyes. I don’t know if it’s for the convenience of the script, but it could completely destroy any sign of threat to your empire, since even at the bottom is the memory bank of the “abomination” that an individual could generate and have an effect on his others clones, in my opinion, collecting their memories was like collecting the results and finishing the experiment.

I think Prime did mean for Hordak to die, sending him to the front lines. If that plan had come to fruition, it would have solved any rebel clone issues that might arise from Hordak living. The fact that Hordak didn’t die and is now potentially a problem was unintentional.

In fact, I think that part of the reason Prime was so angry with Hordak, calling him an abomination, is because the plan was for him to die, and Hordak disobeyed the plan. He had the will to live, and that was against Prime’s intentions. So: abomination.

You’re better than me at analyzing Hordak and I’d really like to know what you think of this.

Ah, don’t say that. All analyses are interesting and useful, and mine are no better than any others. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

PS: Sorry for my grammar, my first language is not English

Well, your English is guaranteed to be better than I would be in your first language, so kudos!