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whitewolfofwinterfell · 4 years

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hi; question. i've really been enjoying your ship related meta even though we don't ship a lot of the same pairings, and i'm kind of interested in trying to watch jane the virgin because I loved ugly betty and it's supposed to be ugly betty's spiritual successor and all that. the thing is, i've noticed that a lot of people who watched the show and who are also swanfire shippers like me see the whole michael vs. rafael have a repeat of neal vs. h00k. as someone who still (1/2)

cont. harbors a lot of resentment over c$, (they're literally my notp of all time lol), do you think it's worth me trying to get into the show or will it just make me angry?

Hey, lovely! I’m glad that you’ve been enjoying reading my meta. The fact that you’ve been reading it even though we don’t ship a lot of the same pairings is even more of a compliment. So, thank you!

Jane the Virgin does have very similiar vibes to Ugly Betty. I loved Jane the Virgin so much, it was one of my favourite shows, because aside from Ugly Betty I’ve never found another show that has that style. It’s quirky, fun, inspiring, dynamic and uplifting. It has great diversity since it follows a Latino family, it’s led by strong female characters, it explores identity, modern family structures, sexuality (there’s LGBT+ representation and an exploration of bisexuality, which is particularly rare in television), immigration and so much more. The characters are great and the show is genuinely funny.

Sadly, the Michael/Villadero vs. Rafael/Jafael situation soured all of that for me. I never thought I’d stop watching a show that I loved so much, but I became so bitter and angry that I had to. And it was all because of what happened with Michael and Rafael. If you’re interested and don’t mind reading spoilers, you can read my thoughts on this in my JTV meta tag.

I wouldn’t necessarily say that the story plays out the same way as the Swanfire/Captain Swan story did on OUAT. There are some similarities, but ship wars are always similiar regardless of which ships are involved or what show it’s on. You have the first ship, who the female character is usually in a relationship with at the start of the series. That relationship is usually with the “good guy” and is very grounded, romantic, respectful, endearing and built on understanding, compassion and connection. Then there’s the second ship with the “bad guy” who crashes into the female character’s life and is more dangerous and exciting. He’ll incessantly flirt with and charm her, but she’ll refuse his advances before eventually sucuuming to his vulnerable side and falling for him becaue he’s a bad guy that is really just a big teddy bear underneath it all. One ship of these ships will discredited (usually the first, because they were first loves and no longer relevant) and the other is championed. Sound familiar? It should, because this is the way most (if not all) triangles play out. The problem is, that if the first ship is the one you’re invested in, it can be hard to accept and can completely detract everything you once loved about that show.

I always think that shows are about so much more than just ships. I’ve watched lots of shows and there are only three out of all of those where ships (and ship wars) have ruined my enjoyment of them and that’s Jane the Virgin, The Vampire Diaries and Once Upon a Time. And the reason for that is because a) I was highly invested in my ships on those shows and they were destroyed b) I felt that the female characters (Jane, Elena and Emma) were all sacrificed for their endgame ships c) I genuinely think that these ships, the way they played out and how they were written didn’t make sense and was disjointed from the overall narrative of the show and the development of the characters d) the overall story-telling and vibe of the show completely changed for me once the endgame ships took centre stage and I no longer enjoyed watching them e) I really disliked the messages and tropes attached to the endgame ships and what they represented.

Having said that, you may watch JTV and really like Rafael and ship him and Jane (I’d be surprised if this happened lol, but you never know). Or you may like Rafael and Michael equally and not ship either of the main pairings. Therefore, you’d be able to enjoy Jane with both Rafael and Michael and not have your viewing experience dictated by your shipping preferences. There’s no way of knowing unless you watch it. So even though I’ve gone a very long-ass way about saying this (sorry lol), my advice would be to give JTV a go. There’s a lot to love about it and I really enjoyed seasons 1-3 (well, part way through 3). Even though I stopped watching the show I carry characters like Jane, Petra, Michael and Rogelio with me and I’ll always love the dynamics between those characters. Some of the arcs and themes that are explored on the show spoke to my heart and I’ll always remember them. Even with Villadero, despite how heartbroken I was (and still am) about how they ended, they’ll always be one of my greatest OTPs. They’re incredible and well worth watching the show for. Jane and Petra have one of the best relationships on the show and you can enjoy watching that from the first until the last episode.

It all depends on how much of a shipper you are, how attached to characters/ships you get and how much you’re able to look beyond shipping/character preferences to enjoy a show overall. If you go into it knowing what’s going to happen, you might be able to accept it more easily, even if you do become as invested in Jane and Michael as I did. However, if you do decide to watch the show and feel yourself becoming over-invested in Michael and Villadero, I would recommend cutting your losses and to stop watching at 3x09.

I hope this helps!

#answered #fatimagic #anti jafael #anti cs #anti captain swan #anti delena #i mean technically i don't bash any of these ships but better safe than sorry right

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chasingparamasturbatoryillusions · 6 years

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🔥 shipping real people

Send me a “ 🔥 ” for an unpopular opinion.

Well, Nonnie, my thoughts on this are a little complicated, but in short, they go something like this: it is semi-acceptable to ship real people who are in your friends circle but only so long as it does not make one or the other or both of them uncomfortable.Which is really to say shipping celebrities makes me really, really uncomfortable, especially the whole Gillian/David thing, particularly because it tends to be more focused on on-screen chemistry and completely ignores the actors and how they interact with each other. But let’s talk about this a little bit so you can understand what I’m trying to say.Shipping is not problematic in and of itself. Looking at characters - or even people - and thinking, you know, those two would be good together, is not a problem. Looking at your best friend with their significant other, supporting that relationship, and wanting them to be together and happy? Not an issue. Thinking you and your crush should be together (or your friend and their crush)? Not an issue. But when your bestie breaks up with their s.o. and you are so devastated that you start trying to push them back together because their reasons for breaking up are "shitty", or you start trying to push your bestie’s crush to spend more time with them, even though they have other things they want (or need) to do with their time, or you are so obsessed with your crush that you keep making overtures even though they’ve told you to stop? Then I have an issue.And the thing is, with close friends and our friend circles, we have a tendency to understand this line (most of the time - I think that line is harder to tell or control when it’s someone we like because sometimes we think we’re better when we’re not (and I mean me here because you could hit me over the head with a shovel and I’ll miss it unless it’s said point-blank, and even then, sometimes I get confused, and then there’s the whole this is what the line means to me but it means something different to them and we’re playing this by ear because we’re both too scared to say something. Relationships are complicated! Friendships are complicated! Why don’t we talk about these things?)), but when it comes to people further out, that gets harder to tell, and with celebrities in particular, I think it can - and does - become a problem.And here’s why.Fandom culture is built on a lot of things, but one of those things - and perhaps the largest of them - is ships. A lot of the divisions in a fandom come from shipping wars. I mean, just look at OUAT and Swan Queen vs. Captain Swan vs. Swanfire (if that was even the correct name for Emma/Neal. ugh, it’s been so long since I was in that fandom) and the sheer hatred you get - or used to get - from one ship towards another (and please don’t even get me started on Hann.i.gram). And it’s this obsession with small little details, ones that maybe help in our own personal lives when we like someone or are trying to figure out if they like us or if they don’t, combined with a dispensation in schooling to take anything and make it mean what we want it to mean as long as we have enough evidence to back it up (let’s talk about BSing term papers) that makes this really easy to do. Take that and include how much people identify with a character or a ship and how much they personally are attracted to one of the other or both characters in a ship and a desire for adequate representation (in some cases) or a desire simply to see two or more really pretty people make out with each other and you get a lot of passion and a lot of taking things personally because so much of that is personal.And, yes, I know this is a question about something shipping real people, and I’m getting to that because here’s the thing - celebrities are so separate from us and yet are interviewed and semi-accessible and it’s like they aren’t even real people but just a continuation of this fiction and generally speaking, we stop seeing them as real people but as something almost other. And not even shipping celebrities together, but in how we talk about them and sexualize them - look, if it’s not okay for Trump to talk about grabbing a woman by the pussy or just kissing them, it’s probably equally not okay to talk about wanting to be rawed by someone we’ve never met. just a thought - it’s this disconnect of looking at what are real people and treating them as though they aren’t because, really, we don’t look at them as people, we look at them as objects and commodities and it’s in the way we talk about them, it’s in the way we see them, it’s in the way that we don’t actually care about them or what they care about unless it directly relates to us - and you take that disconnect and take these people who are real people but suddenly aren’t real people and take these fictions created for them and ship them together as if they were just another subset of the stories you see on screen and it is so incredibly damaging to do that with real people who maybe don’t fit into the stories you want and maybe are uncomfortable with you seeing or shipping or treating them that way but also understand that nothing they say or do is going to get you to stop even if they’re in a relationship with someone else. And it’s shitty. It’s incredibly shitty to treat these people that way when you wouldn’t want a random person on the street that you don’t know butting in and telling you that you should really be hooking up with the barista at Starbucks and not the person you’re married to.Obviously, I’m very uncomfortable with this and very upset by it and I’ll just. stop there for now.

#anonymous #[ meme response ]#[ bandit rants ]#[ i’ve thought about aspects of this a lot and it ]#[ it really does bother me ]#[ ESPECIALLY in the x-files fandom ]#[ and ESPECIALLY as it pertains to gillian and david ]#[ just like ]#[ let it go ]#[ move on ]#[ let them be people and quit trying to force something and like ]#[ THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE ]#[ WITH REAL THOUGHTS ]#[ AND REAL FEELINGS ]#[ and there is so much to each person that we don’t know and don’t see ]#[ that to act as if we know better than they do ]#[ with respects to their dating life ]#[ just ]#[ UGH. ]

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