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Trying to be normal and I’m struggling

#legend of zelda #loz #zelda #tears of the kingdom #rauru #king rauru #Sonia #queen sonia

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LOOK AT THEM

#legend of zelda #loz #tears of the kingdom #zelda #rauru #king rauru #Sonia #queen sonia

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Fanart

Tears of the Kingdom - King Rauru

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Theory that solves(?) "founding of Hyrule" timeline inconsistencies:

Origin of Hyrule no. 1: Skyward Sword. Zelda, Link, and the Skylians settle the surface world at the game's conclusion. Notably, their dress looks nothing like the Zonai era.

Origin of Hyrule no. 2: Tears of the Kingdom. Rauru and Sonia are the king and queen who founded Hyrule. Notably, Zonai mechanisms and architecture greatly resemble the pre-Skyward-Sword-era Lanayru mining tech and symbolism, though Skyward Sword's art direction is more cartoony than TotK, so that has to be taken into account.

That's where it gets cyclical. If TotK's forgotten era came first, then:

Zonai influence should be ALL OVER Skyloft

The Gerudo should not exist, because they're (implied to be) descended from Groose, a Skylian; at the very least, there should have been a whole Gerudo culture in the Sky

Where did the Secret Stones go?

We should have seen Zeldra flying around in the sky, let alone Dinraal, Farosh, and Naydra

But if Skyward Sword came before all things Zonai, then:

The Lanayru Mining Facility (assuming it to be Zonai in origin) should not exist

Hyrule should have already been founded by Rauru's time

Of the two, Skyward Sword being first on the wild surface makes more sense. But if that's the case, there are even more questions:

Where did the Secret Stones come from? Are we to believe that Hylia gave them to the Zonai, since the Golden Trio have already left the Triforce and departed?

What about the Zonai themselves? They supposedly descended from the heavens. Were they just up so high that the Skylians couldn't find them? Did Hylia cleave the ground twice? Did they spontaneously appear up there like mice in grain bins?

Why is there a whole Temple of Time with bells that Rauru, one of two of the LAST of his species, woke up and went to sleep to? In fact, why is there an entire kingdom's worth of structures already built before the Sky Reckoning?

My solution:

The Zonai did exist pre-Skyward Sword, and did descend down from the sky ages ago. They built the Lanayru Mining Facility, utilizing the power of Timeshift Stones in their work. This is not Rauru and Mineru's era.

The Zonai are among the people that stay behind to fight Demise alongside Hylia, while the Skylians were sent up to Skyloft. The people of the Surface are entrusted with the Secret Stones as weapons against Demise, with the caveat that they keep them hidden. That's why they're called Secret Stones despite being well-known to Ganondorf in TotK, it was PARAMOUNT that Demise not know he could get any stronger.

The war ends. Just about every civilization is obliterated by it. The Zonai retreat as far from Demise's seal as they can to lick their wounds. They take the sages' Secret Stones with them, so as to not be caught unawares and lose them to Demise when he eventually reemerges.

Skyward Sword.

The evil is defeated, the Skylians come down to the Surface. That's the signal that it's safe to return now. Shortly after the Skylians officially start to settle, the Zonai, who know how things work, help them build a proper civilization.

Time passes. The Surface is officially a bunch of scattered clans with varying degrees of territory. People are content, though nothing is particularly efficient. The Skylians take on Zonai fashion and building styles as generations pass. The Zonai themselves dwindle.

Rauru, married to the leader of the Hylians, looks to unite the scattered clans under one banner in the name of prosperity and shared resources, idolizing the pre-Skyward era where the gods walked the land. He and Sonia officially name the place Hyrule, and any clan that signs treaty with them is considered within its borders. Mineru, meanwhile, has made her first construct models based on the Lanayru Mine Robots of old, which add to the appeal of joining Hyrule as its subkingdom territories.

Tears of the Kingdom, Zelda's first 12 memories.

Between the Master Sword going back in time and Zeldra's ascent, Zelda and Mineru get to work with as many constructs as possible to protect the Sky Isles they plan to send upwards. They need a TON of Zonaite, and recycling is a priority, leading to the gachapon machines.

Zelda knows enough about her kingdom that she knows where the land is particularly rich is where the people of her time settled, and Zonaite is shown to enrich soil greatly. This is why all the old Zonaite mines are underneath the towns in modern Hyrule, despite changing geography through other eras, and Tarrey Town's new-ness.

Zelda ascends.

The secretive Sheikah clan, having seen the Blood Moon's rise when the Demon King took power, realize that Demise isn't, in fact, all gone. They decide this means that their job serving Hylia isn't truly done, and return to help the fledgling kingdom as best they can. They bring the knowledge of the Master Sword of Skyward Sword days with them.

Ganondorf first shakes the seal he's under without form, leading to the first Calamity and the initial rise of Calamity Ganon. This is 10k years before BotW. This is also the first documented use of the Master Sword to seal the Demon King away, recorded in the tapestry.

The Sheikah are forced to abandon their technology. The Yiga/Sheikah split happens.

Literally all the rest of Hyrulean History happens after this.

Breath of the Wild.

Tears of the Kingdom.

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*cucco noises*

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I was thinking about how totk Ganondorf could have turned out the way he did when I thought about how his culture messes up, well, everybody.

The Gerudo are extremely weird and rigid about gender, to the point they hurt themselves in their confusion. They break up families and ban the girls from interacting with men just to send them to school in order to... teach them how to interact with men and the entire ordeal leaves everyone involved riddled with anxiety and a comical lack of social skills. Why would Ganondorf be immune?

Now, I am well aware that the whole "voe are banned" thing is probably because the Gerudo decided after Ganondorf that men are bad news. But that in itself shows that they were never reasonable about it to begin with, since they're letting one man's actions speak for all men. I digress.

What I'm getting at is that Ganondorf may have been doomed by the narrative after all. I never bought the idea that Ganondorf is a tragic character who's only evil because of Demise's curse, or because he was just trying to provide for his people, but I can buy that his people's general inability to be normal around him contributed to him going mad. As in, he could have turned out to be just an average spoiled-prince-turned-ambitious-douchey-king, but he had the misfortune of being raised by people who WILL ensure you are anti-social, completely out of touch with reality, and the opposite of well-adjusted by the time they're done with you.

The Gerudo NPCs' dialogue makes me wonder what kind of NPC dialogue we could have gotten from the random Gerudo men who were born every 100 years and never caused Hyrule problems, or from Ganondorf himself for that matter, if he was allowed to wander the kingdom himself for a bit. Could you imagine an idiot savant version of Ganondorf—a version of him that is clearly cunning and skilled but can also be awkward and straight up ignorant in the same way his subjects who travel the kingdom are sometimes?

This is just my brain farting. Please don't take it too seriously.

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They deserved it all :(

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Wasn't feeling great last night, so I distracted myself by redrawing stills from a really good (and funny) animation of Ganondorf.

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Linktober 2023 #23: Child.

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If I had a nickel for each of my favorite games that started with a mysterious goat person who was former royalty adopting a wayward human after they fell into a bottomless pit leading mysterious otherworld hidden from the surface… I’d have a Phineas and Ferb bit.

It’s still weird that it’s happened twice lol

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I recently saw a post stating that it was weird how rauru had a bracelet that could steal peoples life force (something along those lines) here’s my two sense on the topic

First of all bracelet isn’t what “steals someone’s life force” it’s specifically Raurus secret stone. This isn’t speculation this is a fact, how do I know this? Well because of Sonia- kinda.

In Tear 6 Sonia makes a comment that it was difficult for Zelda to activate her sealing magic because, her time powers were stronger or over-shadowed her sealing magic.

I’m not going to debate whether or not Zelda’s sealing magic is the same as her light powers, it’s obviously that they’re one and the same.

Rauru and Zelda are related we know this and they share the same power.

So Raurus power of “stealing life forces” isn’t really out of the ordinary, it’s Raurus sealing magic. He has the power of light and is using that to seal the darkness ooo.

-anyways, why I think this person thought it was the bracelet is because the bracelet has spirals on it and you can see glowing light move through it. It’s simply raurus magic moving through the bracelet. Ganondorfs head pice does the same thing, it’s simply the secret stones magic flowing through.

Also I know Zelda’s sealing power has always been associated with the triforce and Rauru doesn’t seem to possess the triforce. I’m not adding the rules of the triforce here simply because it’s never really mentioned in the game and doesn’t seem really relevant. Also it seems to be a separate power from.

Now if I did apply the same rules to Rauru, I would say he wasn’t able to completely seal ganondorf away because he didn’t have the triforce. But that’s a bit of a stretch?

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Hey Poster notes, please do not harass this person if you find out who the og posted is. It’s a video game it’s not that deep, I just wanted to add my personal opinions onto this.

If you disagree that’s totally fine!

#legend of zelda #loz #zelda #tears of the kingdom #ganondorf #rauru #ganon #zelda thoughts #totk thoughts #totk critical

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Old Sunniva design Vs. New Sunniva design

Y'all remember her, right? She's got a new and improved design!

And here it is!

I felt like she didn't look "Zonai enough" as she was mainly hylian-looking with literally just a potential third eye and her ears being different. I wanted to have more Zonai-esque traits, and so Sunniva's design was updated not too long ago!

I'm very happy with how she looks now! Y'all can expect to see more of her in the future! :D

PS: You can find a better resolution image of her on my ToyHou.se account! I'd love it if you guys would give me a follow over there! https://toyhou.se/DarlingSeraa Sunniva has her own profile with lots of extra info on her character, if you're interested in learning more about her.

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When ever I see people talk about Windwaker ganondorf, they always talk about how he wanted what’s best for his people. I’ve never got that impression, I’ve always seen him wanting to conquer High rule because it’s something he does not possess.

Maybe that’s just me but I think more people should talk about it.

#legend of zelda #loz #zelda #ganondorf #ganon #zelda thoughts #wind waker

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I wanted your personal opinion on this, in this video (yes I’m aware I’ve sent this to you before) it was implied, or at least I took it this way. That ganondorf wasn’t always evil or at least he wasn’t a psycho murder. I know you’ve talked about ganons upbringing, and it seems that we both agree that ganondorf is a product of his environment. But I’m confused…in Totk if he wasn’t always evil why was he so easily taken over by greed after seeing the secrecy stones??

(We’re I’m getting this is the ganondorf Japanese ver of totk)

Ah, yes!

Do you mean this scene?

If so, then my theories aren't to say that TotK Ganon (whom I refer to as Wrath) wasn't evil, more so that he is, but he's thus because Kōme & Kotake raised him that way. Basically, pigeonholing him into the position of tyrant.

In my mind, he was raised to be a social darwinist amidst a warring country in a place that hosts a very harsh environment. Not to mention that he was also raised the only male in a society of all women, which is just a recipe for all kinds of mental health issues & developmental stunting.

In other words, everything around him was basically working against him & he responded thusly.

I think that growing up in constant conflict caused him to not know what to do with himself when Rauru came along & united Hyrule's peoples, thus bringing peace. He'd thrived on the warring life & I think that, in many ways, he was stuck in the past & wished to return to that time because, in his mind, everything made sense then.

Of course, I think this is the case for him on a subconscious level. Outwardly, he's a social darwinist, specifically the Struggler type. However, I don't think he's as sincere in his beliefs as he claims, because as shown in the game, he's a sore loser. And if he truly believed as he said he did, he'd have yielded upon realizing that he'd lost. Which, part of this could be influenced by narcissistic tendencies brought on by being born & raised as what amounts to a god-king in the Gerudo culture.

However, I also think that the stone & 10,000 years sealed away likely exacerbated his preexisting issues to the point where he was fine giving up everything in order to make everyone else miserable.

In a lot of ways, I think that the Dorfs, regardless of which iteration, are all extremely unhappy people & this results in them lashing out.

I think it's possible for him to be a good person, but he'd have to be raised by someone other than Kōme & Kotake.

However, even then, I think it's possible for him to be better, just not good per se.

Though, he'd need the influence of someone who was able to prove themselves to him. Someone able to meet him head on. Someone level-headed & honest. Someone who wouldn't be manipulated by him. Who can cut through the crap & speak directly to him.

They'd have to be able to pose their thoughts in such a way that it doesn't necessarily clash with his own beliefs, but still managing to give him a new perspective.

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I don’t think ganondorf would be abusive intentionally, but caring yes. (Also yeah I don’t really see him having kids but if he did ☝️)

I think he would put a ton of pressure on his kid because, they’re his bloodline and they have to be the best.

Or if his child was expressing feelings of depression I don’t really think he would be able to comfort his child. I think he might want to, but his comforting is like “you’ll get over it” this man can’t really heal himself I don’t think all of a sudden he would be able to do that with a kid.

Also he’s a social Darwinist I def think he would look down his kid if they were “weak”, he wouldn’t try to be harsh but it would come off that way.

Or hell he might over train his kid and not understand that he’s putting his kid through too much.

Also o gotta bring up his mothers, I don’t think they would help at all. Eh I don’t feel like I need to explain them their kinda self explanatory.

Back to ganondorf I really just see him being more emotionally unavailable. I think he would definitely get better at being more emotionally available but with gerudo society and his mothers I don’t think it would happen soon enough for his child.

Now if what’s child to be a war tank that’s different 😭 

I wanted your personal opinion on this, in this video (yes I’m aware I’ve sent this to you before) it was implied, or at least I took it this way. That ganondorf wasn’t always evil or at least he wasn’t a psycho murder. I know you’ve talked about ganons upbringing, and it seems that we both agree that ganondorf is a product of his environment. But I’m confused…in Totk if he wasn’t always evil why was he so easily taken over by greed after seeing the secrecy stones??

(We’re I’m getting this is the ganondorf Japanese ver of totk)

Ah, yes!

Do you mean this scene?

If so, then my theories aren't to say that TotK Ganon (whom I refer to as Wrath) wasn't evil, more so that he is, but he's thus because Kōme & Kotake raised him that way. Basically, pigeonholing him into the position of tyrant.

In my mind, he was raised to be a social darwinist amidst a warring country in a place that hosts a very harsh environment. Not to mention that he was also raised the only male in a society of all women, which is just a recipe for all kinds of mental health issues & developmental stunting.

In other words, everything around him was basically working against him & he responded thusly.

I think that growing up in constant conflict caused him to not know what to do with himself when Rauru came along & united Hyrule's peoples, thus bringing peace. He'd thrived on the warring life & I think that, in many ways, he was stuck in the past & wished to return to that time because, in his mind, everything made sense then.

Of course, I think this is the case for him on a subconscious level. Outwardly, he's a social darwinist, specifically the Struggler type. However, I don't think he's as sincere in his beliefs as he claims, because as shown in the game, he's a sore loser. And if he truly believed as he said he did, he'd have yielded upon realizing that he'd lost. Which, part of this could be influenced by narcissistic tendencies brought on by being born & raised as what amounts to a god-king in the Gerudo culture.

However, I also think that the stone & 10,000 years sealed away likely exacerbated his preexisting issues to the point where he was fine giving up everything in order to make everyone else miserable.

In a lot of ways, I think that the Dorfs, regardless of which iteration, are all extremely unhappy people & this results in them lashing out.

I think it's possible for him to be a good person, but he'd have to be raised by someone other than Kōme & Kotake.

However, even then, I think it's possible for him to be better, just not good per se.

Though, he'd need the influence of someone who was able to prove themselves to him. Someone able to meet him head on. Someone level-headed & honest. Someone who wouldn't be manipulated by him. Who can cut through the crap & speak directly to him.

They'd have to be able to pose their thoughts in such a way that it doesn't necessarily clash with his own beliefs, but still managing to give him a new perspective.

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Yeah I agree Ganon would def be like “I don’t need to change” and just become worse. But I do wonder what could get him to change….a relationship? Na, kids absolutely not he would abuse those poor children. (I’m working on a post about that :p)

I think if he were to change at least in my headcannon. It would be for someone he would want to change for, like a sparring partner. How that would go about I’m not totally sure but I think he wouldn’t change with the mindset he’s doing it for that person, mainly I think he would think of himself. Which is the safest option in my opinion.

I wanted your personal opinion on this, in this video (yes I’m aware I’ve sent this to you before) it was implied, or at least I took it this way. That ganondorf wasn’t always evil or at least he wasn’t a psycho murder. I know you’ve talked about ganons upbringing, and it seems that we both agree that ganondorf is a product of his environment. But I’m confused…in Totk if he wasn’t always evil why was he so easily taken over by greed after seeing the secrecy stones??

(We’re I’m getting this is the ganondorf Japanese ver of totk)

Ah, yes!

Do you mean this scene?

If so, then my theories aren't to say that TotK Ganon (whom I refer to as Wrath) wasn't evil, more so that he is, but he's thus because Kōme & Kotake raised him that way. Basically, pigeonholing him into the position of tyrant.

In my mind, he was raised to be a social darwinist amidst a warring country in a place that hosts a very harsh environment. Not to mention that he was also raised the only male in a society of all women, which is just a recipe for all kinds of mental health issues & developmental stunting.

In other words, everything around him was basically working against him & he responded thusly.

I think that growing up in constant conflict caused him to not know what to do with himself when Rauru came along & united Hyrule's peoples, thus bringing peace. He'd thrived on the warring life & I think that, in many ways, he was stuck in the past & wished to return to that time because, in his mind, everything made sense then.

Of course, I think this is the case for him on a subconscious level. Outwardly, he's a social darwinist, specifically the Struggler type. However, I don't think he's as sincere in his beliefs as he claims, because as shown in the game, he's a sore loser. And if he truly believed as he said he did, he'd have yielded upon realizing that he'd lost. Which, part of this could be influenced by narcissistic tendencies brought on by being born & raised as what amounts to a god-king in the Gerudo culture.

However, I also think that the stone & 10,000 years sealed away likely exacerbated his preexisting issues to the point where he was fine giving up everything in order to make everyone else miserable.

In a lot of ways, I think that the Dorfs, regardless of which iteration, are all extremely unhappy people & this results in them lashing out.

I think it's possible for him to be a good person, but he'd have to be raised by someone other than Kōme & Kotake.

However, even then, I think it's possible for him to be better, just not good per se.

Though, he'd need the influence of someone who was able to prove themselves to him. Someone able to meet him head on. Someone level-headed & honest. Someone who wouldn't be manipulated by him. Who can cut through the crap & speak directly to him.

They'd have to be able to pose their thoughts in such a way that it doesn't necessarily clash with his own beliefs, but still managing to give him a new perspective.