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vengeful-velvette · 2 months

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Hey thanks for answering my ask! Yeah I agree, I think dealing with soul ownership in a body swap fic in this particular universe is a bit tricky.

How I view it is that the owner has ownership over the sinners body, but not their mind. So if Angel and Alastor swapped bodies, I imagine that Valentino is still able to force Angel's body/Alastor to do whatever, but he can't force Alastor to tell him anything he doesn't want to reveal.

He can't force Alastor to tell him a secret. But he can force Angel, who is in Alastor's body, to tell him a secret.

As for how this works if someone swapped with Valentino? I honestly I have no idea. I would assume they would still have ownership over whoever Valentino owns, but I definitely think it doesn't feel the same. It's kinda like a glitch? Idk, this is just how I personally view body swapping and soul ownership.

I know you said that you're not gonna focus on the 666 universe, which is like, extremely valid because a body swap is already pretty plot intensive, never mind adding the whole 666 dynamic into it!

But..... after I sent in this ask I couldn't quite get this idea out of my head, as it kept spiraling and spiraling as I kept thinking, "well, what if this happens...." "and what if what happens after that" "oh! That's pretty interesting, what if it happened...."

So after many "what ifs" I word vomited all of my Thoughts into my notes app. So why not share them here (maybe then the "what ifs" will stop tormenting me)

Expanding on this a little more on the idea of this body swap happening in the 666 live on air series. (With Vox and Valentino switching, and Angel and Alastor switching bodies)

I imagine that for Vox, being Valentino isn't all that difficult. In his introduction episode we see that Vox is actually really good at manipulating people and putting up an act to get what he wants (for example, when he's annoyed at Valentino but convinces him not to go to the Hotel and pick a fight with Charlie).

There's also the fact that Vox knows Valentino rather well, so I bet he knows all his little mannerisms and how to act like him. I bet he also knows what a typical day shoot looks like, as Valentino talks about them enough for Vox to pick up the basics, and Vox is so plugged into the internet that he must know what's popular in the porn industry at any given time.

Plus I could see Vox viewing it as a good opportunity to improve Valentino's image. Val is so difficult to control on a normal day, but now making sure that Val acts "perfect" is eaiser than ever.

That's not to say that I think this whole situation isn't stressing Vox out, it definitely is. It's one thing for him to be controlling Valentino's body, but another one entirely for Valentino to be controlling his. Now he has to work double time making sure that he appears the same as Valentino, while also making sure Val isn't fucking up Voxtek.

(Not to mention that Valentino is fucking blind and Vox has to put so much brain power into not bumping into everything)

When the day of the shoot with "Angel Dust" comes up, he thinks that Angel is lucky because for once he's going to have a "Valentino" that's too busy to get involved in the scene. As he picked out a random scene list from the pile and is half distracted with texting Val instructions on what to do regarding Voxtek to really pay him much attention.

Now switching over to Alastor and Angel's side; tbh I don't have as many thoughts on the two's thought process, or how exactly they handle the whole "Valentino owns Angel's soul, but Alastor is in his body so while technically he doesn't own Alastor, he can puppet the body he's currently inhabiting".

But I imagine that Angel will insist on tagging along with Alastor to a shoot. (If Angel is actually like, contractually forced to attend shoots, because I can totally see the two of them faking an accident or something to get Alastor out of it until the gang figures out a way to reverse the body swap)

But for now the two worlds intersect as "Angel" and "Alastor" are in the studio with "Valentino".

Vox has literally no idea why Alastor is here, and while a part of him is always pleased to see him (or, the vague shape that he sees of Alastor through Val's eyes), he knows that Valentino wouldn't be impressed to see him and tries to shoo him out the door and get the shoot underway so he can get back to running two businesses at once.

Something, something, Vox finally clues in that Angel and Alastor has switched bodies

(which is really a combination of factors: "Angel" being weirdly hesitant to start the scene, and acting in a way that's weirdly familiar, while "Alastor" acting totally foreign.

With the tipping point being that the weird way the soul contract is feeling, since "he" technically owns Angel's soul, that's not currently in his body but Alastor's, and him also owning Angel's body, which doesn't have his soul in it. Idk, I just imagine that the body swap reacts weirdly with body swaps. Plus there's the fact that he also swapped bodies with Valentino, so he's more inclined to automatically believe a body swap.)

And this is when the real panic sets in for Vox because he knows that "Angel" (Alastor) can't actually perform the shoot because he knows that Alastor wouldn't be comfortable with that and he's actually starting to care about Alastor, while also being acutely aware that they're in "public", or at least, in company who will absolutely take out their phones and record the trio if they start acting off.

So Vox very much wants to grab Angel/Alastor and shove him into an empty room and ask what the fuck is going on, but both Angel and Alastor aren't really comfortable with the idea of "Valentino" taking "Angel" into a private room, especially when he seems agitated.

So there's this rising point of tension where Vox really just wants to talk to "Angel" in private, and the actual Angel is starting to get really stressed that Valentino is getting more and more angry because he knows what Val is like when he's angry. But he doesn't want Alastor alone with him, while also wanting to do what "Valentino" is saying to hopefully calm him down.

And Alastor, who doesn't want to be alone with "Valentino" because he knows, or can take a pretty good guess, of what's going to happen behind closed doors (which is wrong because he hasn't put together the pieces that Vox is in Valentino's body), and is going against "Valentino" because he's pissing him off.

I can also see Alastor thinking "well, I do kinky stuff with Vox, what's so different this time? It's not like people know it's me" and thus is trying to start the shoot because he believes that it's "safer" (he also wants to piss off Valentino by not listening to him, and he's once again bitting off more than he can chew with his hubris on full display).

While both Vox and Angel really don't want Alastor to start the shoot because they know what actually goes on during one, and can guess that Alastor won't be comfortable, and wouldn't really have a way to stop it without seeming "out of character".

And Vox really just wants to talk to Alastor in private, because people are starting to whisper and he can see hands going towards phones. So a part of him wants to use the stupid contract to get Alastor alone, but he also knows that Alastor would hate that and that could destroy the relationship they've been carefully building up.

So in the middle of all of this rising tension, Vox eventually is just like "fuck it!" And physically grabs both Angel and Alastor and shoves them into a empty dressing room. And is like "hey what the fuck are you doing?!" And explains the whole body swap fiasco on his side.

I'm not quite sure how the rest of the scene goes. But I definitely think the tension breaks once everything is explained. With Vox possibly playing up roughing up "Angel" behind the closed door and stating that he "sent the whore home" or something to get Alastor out of the shoot.

Anyway, this was really supposed to be a quick "hey, wouldn't that be interesting" that kinda spiraled. Idk, maybe I'll make a "inspired by" fic and actually write this fic, because obviously I have ideas, lol. If I have permission to write the fic, of course, I feel a little bad about writing something based in a fic series I didn't write.

Idk, it feels a little weird to take a dynamic (from the 666 series) and swipe it. So I'll probably just continue to rotate the Thoughts and Ideas in my head as I've been doing lol.

Anyway, thanks for reading my long rambles once again, maybe now that the thoughts have been released they will finally let me be Free lol.

Ohhh I love a good body swap!

I love how there's some really good angst potential (like basically anyone swapping with Angel), and also comedy (Alastor and Vox, the Vees, etc).

I also like to imagine that there's multiple body swaps going around at once, just because I think it would be even more chaotic. Like, for example, maybe Alastor and Angel Dust swap, and the Vees also swap. I initially thought it would be really funny if Valentino and Vox swapped, because then there's the interesting dynamic of Vox technically having ownership of "Alastor's' soul (or the very least, the body Alastor is currently inhabiting).

Also, this could go two very directions. If this is in the 66.6 universe, then it has the option of ending more humorous as Vox clues into the situation as he's trying to act like Valentino and is internally like "SHIT SHIT SHIT" because on one hand he doesn't want to absolutely nuke the relationship they've barely built from obit, but Keeping Up Appearances in front of People is also very important to him.

This is doubly funny if Alastor hasn't quite put all the pieces together yet, and doesn't know it's Vox in Valentino's body, and doesn't really get why "Valentino" is try to get him alone in an empty room (so Vox can yell at him and be like "what the fuck??? What the FUCK!!)

But also, there's an interesting dynamic if this isn't in the 66.6 universe and Vox just hates (while still being obsessed with) Alastor. As Vox finally, actually, has power over Alastor.

Idk, I know you're writing, or like, planning out a body swap fic, and this isn't like, a Demand to do it this way. More so a "hey, wouldn't this be Fucked up and Interesting?"

OKAY I'M FINALLY HOME AND CAN REPLY TO THIS PROPERLY!

I think the soul ownership aspect of the body swap is really interesting, because you have to really get into what headcanons you're working with for how it works. Does your soul own the other soul, or does your body own the other soul? And is a soul defined as your consciousness, or are your body and your soul unanimous since you're in hell and presumably your soul just takes the shape it does in hell as your body because you certainly weren't a 7'4" spider in real life?

Anyway, I'm definitely going non-666verse and also def going the angst route for this fic, haha, and I'm admittedly specifically avoiding involving Vox much because that'd make the whole thing like 3x more complicated and I'm trying to keep it to the three-chapter outline I have! I think you're right and that involving Vox in realizing that he has actual, genuine power over Alastor has the potential to get absolutely wild. We see him act pretty zany because he's losing it over Alastor a lot, but the moments we see him where he's not going bananas over his crush make it pretty clear that the guy is both competent and fairly ruthless. I'm sure he'd figure out a way to take major advantage!

#love how i put my thoughts under a read more like this post isn’t already very long lol #to be fair I could just write a fic where Vox and Alastor becomes friends. or at least. friendly.#but tbh that seems like a very long process #idk. maybe i could have it set before Alastor disappeared and he and Vox were friends.... but Angel didn’t know Alastor before the hotel #hmmmm. even if they were strangers I imagine that Angel wouldn't want a stranger to do his shoot #but if they're strangers then Angel wouldn't Care about Alastor. and him caring about Alastor is one of the tension points of the fic.....#hmmmm. must tk think about.#many thoughts to rotate #my rambles #idk there's something SO funny to me about Alastor being like 'well. why dont we do the shoot?' because he’s getting pissed that Angel is #telling him no. because in his mind that obviously means that Angel doesn't think he can handle it #and he's also pissed at 'Val' for trying to talk to him in private #so both Angel and Vox are like 'no! noooo. how about you. Don't Do That' while saying it through like 5 different masks because they can't #Let People Get Suspicious #also! i gotta stop adding tag. but also! i find it funny that Prince was like 'this is probably going to be an angst fic' and I'm just #overhere like 'this is Comedy Gold'

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vengeful-velvette · 2 months

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💟 HAPPY VALENTINES DAY TO ALL THOSE WHO CELEBRATE! 💟

I kinda forgot this was like, a big holiday? Or at least, a holiday people actually, like, celebrate? Idk, I just thought it was very Low Key and was very surprised when I saw so many people online drawing ship art, and how many irl people were wearing hearts and pink and stuff.

I think this holiday just reminds me that I am Probably Aro (or at, on the spectrum?).

#it also makes me kinda guilty i didn't draw or write anything for my ocs or anything...#oops.#but to be fair! i thought like. no was going to celebrate it!

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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So I saw this on Twitter, and wanted to do my own version!

It's a mix between "who's my favorite charafter" and "who do I find thematic interesting from a character/story perspective".

(Character thoughts + empty template below the cut)

Charlie is hands down my favorite though. I LOVE her personality, I love her story arc of becoming the leader of her people, I love how she sees her people! It's so interesting to me! I love her so much!

I honestly believe that a lot of that love spills over to Emily, as Emily is basically just the Heaven verison of Charlie, lol. Also, did you know that after episode 6 I actually shipped Charlie and Emily? Before everyone on Twitter thought that the two were secret sisters or something lol, and I kinda stopped.

Vaggie is interesting because my opinions on her have actually changed the most. Like I didn't really care for her during episodes 1-5. I understood the dynamic her and Charlie had, with Vaggie being protective and loving, but this creating conflict with Charlie wanting to do things.

Just, in my opinion, that conflict never really went anywhere? Like Vaggie spent the first 6 episodes telling Charlie not to do things she wanted to do, and it never really led anywhere? Like yes after the reavel I understood why she did it, but it never becomes a stress point of their relationship, with the focal point being Vaggie not telling Charlie that she was an angel.

Vaggie's and Charlie's relationship also had the neat dynamic of Vaggie valuing herself as being "lower" than Charlie. Like she's willing to do anything for Charlie. I thought this was a really neat concept, especially with her making a deal with Alastor, and her verse in "whatever it takes", but I just wish it was executed better.

I actually thought about Vaggie's and Charlie's relationship so much that I kinda "Rewritten" the one they had in the first half of season 1, with more focus being on Vaggie believing she owes some kind of life debt to Charlie. (Very much "Charlie made me believe I was everything" type of energy".)

And it actually being addressed that Vaggie doesn't really support Charlie, or that she's constantly telling Charlie not to do things. With the reveal being that Vaggie doesn't really "believe" in Charlie's dream, because she believes that she could never be redeemed for being an exorcist.

This, I believe, ties all (or most) of Vaggie's "lose threads" together (her being an ex exorcist, her willing to do whatever to protect Charlie because she views Charlie as being more "important" than she is, and her constantly telling Charlie not to do stuff.)

Anyway, after the reveal I actually got a lot more invested into Vaggie, because I actually felt like their relationship was being challenged, and changed.

I like Angel Dust and Husk the same amount. I know that Husk's jar is slightly fuller, but I would probably go back and drop it down a bit to match Angel's (or maybe Angel's being a bit higher).

I honestly feel like a lot of Angel's oringal character (like being a mobster and a drug addict) has unfortunately been stripped away in season 1.

Alastor is a pretty neat character. I feel like he's in my top 3.

Looking back at this, I would probably drop Lucifer down just a bit. I love him, but he can be a little bit cringe introducing. He's in my to 3/top 5 though.

I don't care at all for Zestial. I actually had a really hard time understanding him the first time he showed up, and had to turn on subtitles.

I really, really like Rosie! I would probably increase her score a bit more, but I felt a little bad for doing so because she only appears in one episode. I just love her whole vibe! I love how emotionally intelligent she is, and how good she is at giving advice.

The egg boys are pretty cute and funny. They feel like cheap comedy relief, but I like em.

All of the pet characters get the same score because I really don't think much of time besides "they're cute".

Adam actually grew a lot on me. When I first watched the show I hated him, but now I can't help but find his sexism really funny.

Those are basically all my thoughts, if you have any questions regarding my ruling, please let me know! I love talking about these characters!

Also, here's the empty template:

#i would probably change like half of the characters ruling if i were to do this again

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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Ohhhhh your new fic kicked me right the FEELS. I love Charlie’s and Lucifer’s relationship so much in the show and you perfectly encapsulates everything I adore about it.

I really like the fact that Lucifer really, really loves his daughter. How that’s seen so clearly with him taking the time to cut up apples for her, even though he could magic one up, he still wants to take the effort to properly cut it up himself. I think that really showcases his relationship with his daughter in one tiny scene, and paints the song of Hell’s Greatest Dad in a new light. Like, he wasn’t trying to buy Charlie’s love in that song, but it was more so a desperate way to connect with her by giving her anything she wants.

Also the fact that he cares so much about his daughter, but struggles to even pay attention to her when she’s talking to him is so interesting! Like I can understand why Lucifer struggles to pay attention, because of all the time he spent alone in his workshop, being able to daydream and go off on mental tangents all the time because no one was there to stop him.

So I can understand Lucifer’s struggle, while also understanding Charlie’s. How it’s difficult to be around someone who seemingly doesn’t pay attention to you when you’re talking to them. You can understand how Charlie got the mental picture of her dad being disconnected with her, while still understanding that Lucifer would do absolutely anything for her.

The awkward energy around them is also so interesting! Because you can see the two of them struggle to connect with each other, even though you, the reader, know that they both want to so so so much! It kinda feels like they’re out of sync, like they’re struggling to keep in step with each other, and that’s just really interesting to me.

I suspected that Lucifer would be able to heal Alastor, but it was really funny seeing him agree, and then immediately bang his head into the wall in frustration. Also, is Alastor still trying to “upstage” Lucifer in regards to Charlie? I kinda just thought Alastor butt into the “Hell’s Greatest Dad” song to annoy Lucifer (and also because he didn’t want to lose his place at the hotel), but I kinda thought he would be over it by the end of the episode. Having him continue to try and “upstage” Lucifer by making jambalaya and pastries is honestly really funny, but I can’t tell if Alastor is Actually Doing That, or if Lucifer is just interpreting Alastor’s actions as that.

Honestly I did not expect Lucifer to wake Alastor up when he entered into his room - instead I suspected that he would simply heal Alastor in his sleep. Alastor immediately suspecting that Lucifer would want his soul in order to heal him is very interesting, considering the fact that every time he made a deal with someone (Vaggie and Charlie) they assumed that he was asking for his soul, and he always seemed a bit… annoyed? That they were assuming that? So it’s interesting that his mind instantly jumps to that.

Lucifer not liking tv is so funny to me, like I seriously doubt he even knows that Vox exists, or that he took over tv (maybe he noticed the Bad Vibes coming off of it the one time he turned one on and decided not to watch tv), but now this just makes me wonder how an actual meeting between Vox and Lucifer would go? I doubt Lucifer would really Vox, and Vox, being egotistical as he is, would probably get annoyed at Lucifer not knowing who he is. Though, Vox is all about networking so I can see him trying to get on Lucifer’s good side, and it totally not working because Lucifer isn’t paying attention.

And oh my gosh, the angst hurts so much. I just feel so bad for both of them! How Charlie obviously feels so frustrated because she feels like she hasn’t been listened to, and how Lucifer struggles to be in the moment even when you can tell he so desperately wants to listen to her. Angel being the one to notice Lucifer spiraling was really sweet.

I was not expecting the angst talk between Lucifer and Charlie, but it was literally everything I wanted and more!! The two of them opening up to each other! Talking about their problems!

(Also, I just realizes that Lucifer hasn’t healed Alastor yet, which I imagine will still be hilarious as Lucifer, having just dried off his tears, is like “Alright, is it time to heal that fucker Andy?” “It’s Alastor dad.”)

Also, also, reading your Notes at the end of the fic I noticed that you think that Charlie doesn’t show a lot of empathy in the show, which fascinates me! I can kinda see it, with Charlie not really understanding why Vaggie lied to her until Rosie walks through it with her. But I can also see her having some empathy, like with Sir Pentious, and the line “but who hasn’t been in his shoes?” As she understands that he did something wrong, but that he should have a chance to apologize. Idk, I would love to hear your thoughts on it!

Lucifer Has Dissociative Depression: the fic, aka. me working out my feelings about this poor guy and his earnest attempts and failures at connecting with his daughter

Enjoy!

#reblog because i dont have a Ao3 account and this is a bittttt long for an ask lol #anyways i always love your work!

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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You claim that I’ve activated your trap card like I’m literally not kicking at the ground looking for landmines lol. I honestly love your thought process and how you characterize the characters. Like it’s so obvious that you think about these characters so much and put so much care into getting them Just Right, and as someone whose favorite aspect of any media is the characters, I honestly really appreciate that!

Yeah, I can totally see your reasoning for Lucifer acting Stepping Up and Being a Dom when it comes to Alastor. Really it’s funny to imagine Alastor being one of the few people Lucifer really even wants to dom, purely because Lucifer is so annoyed by him. Combine that with the fact that Lucifer isn’t even really working off instinct like, for example, Vox is, but that he’s using the memories of what Lilith did to him to guide him.

I am especially excited to see, as you describe, the “sub on sub violence”, because like you said I definitely think that Alastor and Lucifer have different Mindsets and Approaches to sex and kink, and in many ways they Clash. There’s also the added bonus of Lucifer normally being rather eager to please during sex (looking at your Lucifer x Angel fic), but that totally goes away during this because Lucifer…. Doesn’t want to please Alastor? Or, more like, he’s not as desperate as Vox in making sure that Alastor is engaged and enjoying the experience (which, admittingly, isn’t that high of a bar to pass). (At least, this is my interpretation of their dynamic lol)

Also, can I discuss the potential prey/predator aspect? I've been dying to talk about the potential prey/predator aspect. I really didn’t consider Alastor as having a prey/predator and fear kink before I read your fics, but omg, that is now canon in my mind because it’s so perfect. So I’m just going to take a quick moment to steer us off course to talk about it - so, like you said, even in the Radiostatic fics there was still this underlying feeling that Alastor was the one who was really in control. Like, Vox said that he never feels 100% safe around Alastor, even when they’re having sex, and I can really feel that during the scenes. Like there’s this under current that Alastor will actually destroy Vox if he steps a millimeter out of line. And they both know it.

But, like you said, Alastor doesn’t have that safety net with Lucifer. He can’t have a shadow in the corner making sure that Lucifer will really listen to his safeword, or else he’ll be eaten. When Lucifer pins him down, there’s really nothing Alastor can physically do to stop him. Lucifer is actually a predator to Alastor.

(I swear I love prey/predator and fear kink so much. I’ve been toying with the idea of a scene being outside in the woods because deers primary fear response is to flee, and Alastor hasn’t really gotten a chance to do that yet. Please, Alastor was killed in the woods when he was a human because he was mistaken for a deer, so I bet he has some unknown, deep fear that could resurface. Plus there’s the added benefit that if it’s at night, then the woods would be pitch dark, and even though Alastor normally feels safe in the shadows, he doesn’t feel safe now. Idk, I haven’t written it out yet because I wasn’t sure who to pair Alastor up with, as Vox doesn’t seem like the type of person who would enjoy being in the woods, no matter how riled up Alastor is. But maybe Lucifer? Idk, I also didn’t want to feel too plagiarist for basically yoinking that idea from you. Anyway, time to stop being Deranged and get back to the regular scheduled program)

Anyway, I’m really looking forward to seeing the dynamic between Alastor and Lucifer in bed. Especially as you said that Radiostatic is in a perpetual state of give and take for both of their egos, and Lucifer doesn’t really have an ego to keep.

Even though you said Alastor’s pride will be spared, I imagine that Alastor doesn’t walk into this scene with his ego already checked. Mainly because this man is so egotistical and full of hubris that he could take one look at Lucifer and be like “oh, I bet I can eat him alive” (remember when Alastor faced off Adam, the strongest of the angels, without ANY angelic weapons?? You know, the one thing he was told that could actually hurt an angel? And Alastor was like “nah, it’s fine. I can kill him Without Those”.)

Not that I believe that Alastor thinks that he can physically take Lucifer, but more so that he believes that he can talk Lucifer into doing whatever he wants, because he seems Lucifer fumbling over his words and being his awkward sense. Only to be shown up (once again), as Lucifer totally obliterates him. (And isn’t that also rise his pride a little? That he’s able to make Lucifer lose his cool like this? That he’s so special and unique (and annoying) that Lucifer has to step up and put him in his place?)

Also, I can’t wait to see Lucifer actually dom, actually taking what he wants for once and not caring what the other person feels (while also no doubt thinking “I’m going to get such a good grade in dom, something that is normal to want and possible to achieve”.)

Anyway, this was supposed to be an ask that then it got kinda long and I felt bad about mortally wounding your ask box by sending this in. Hence the reblog. Would love to hear more of your thoughts tho!!!

(Also, thank you for complimenting my user name! I wanted to create a Hazbin account to spill my ever increasing Thoughts and picked Velvette because she was, at the time, my favorite character, before Charlie came in and snipped the position away from her. I also wanted that sweet sweet alliteration.)

👀👀👀 I'm looking at the tags on your last post and do I see a suggestion of Dom!Lucifer radioapple??? I don't ever think I read a dom!Lucifer fic (because the fandom immediately clocked Lucifer as the sub he is), so I say I'm extremely intrigued!!

Also, wow does Alastor have a talent for getting the Most Pathetic Guys Ever (Lucifer and Vox) to dom him. Like, it's a skill at this point lol.

Anyway, I look forward to your writing!!

CONGRATS, YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD: I actually have thoughts about this!

I firmly believe that Lucifer is The Sub Of All Time in literally any other context, but I also think that Alastor very deliberately and skillfully hit just the right buttons in canon that Lucifer cannot back down in front of this asshole. If I transpose that into a bedroom dynamic, then... (un)fortunately for Alastor, he is punching out of his weight class.

It's a massively different dynamic in my head than radiostatic because the key balance of radiostatic is that it's a perpetual bit of careful give-and-take to balance their mutual ego-obsessions and for Alastor to not feel like he's taken psychic damage to his pride and thus needing to remind Vox (either by being verbally mean or by taking a physical stance) that Vox doesn't really have control in the situation. (Which is also why I get a little giggle when people comment on the hypnokink fic with something like, "What if Vox did [thing Alastor would not be okay with]? Wouldn't that be fucked?!" because... yes, but also, he wouldn't survive the night and he knows that.) (Also the hypnokink fic is somehow not the one where they work out trust issues. That's the NEXT one.)

Anyway, in contrast, radioapple has the dynamic of Lucifer being the one person in hell who there is no way I can imagine Alastor could match up against even at full power... which, yes, means that Lucifer can swat him down if he gets tetchy, but also kinda spares Alastor's pride at the same time! He can snap his teeth about it for some performative ego-maintenance, but it's like getting mad that you can't literally fistfight the sun. It just doesn't make sense. Nobody would ever expect that to be a reasonable match up. Alastor's narcissism doesn't get prodded by Lucifer the same way that it would if Vox tried something.

... Also, I think it'd be really funny if radioapple was just sub on sub violence. Lucifer knows what gets him going and he's going to inflict that on Alastor with great prejudice. Meanwhile his internal dialogue is nonstop references to back when his wife used to fuck him up just like this.

#hazbin #hazbin hotel #my rambles

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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This is so small, but Vox's/Valentino's line in Finale "After the battle, masterless cattle. Overlords hanging by a thread." And "nature abhors a power vacuum, it leaves room for you and me." Bugs me SO much.

Because this implies that there's a power vacuum because the other Overlords are "hanging by a thread" but I really don't see how that's the case? The only Overlord that really got affected by the battle was Alastor, and he's been gone for 7 years, so if there was a power vacuum left by his departure, hasn't it already been filled?

Are they talking about the scene in episode 3, where Zestial and Carmilla refused to fight/give information? But it's Carmilla's knowledge and weapons that stopped the exorcists.

The scene primarily focuses on Alastor, and that he's missing, but again, it's not like he had such a hold on Hell that him leaving now will create a power vacuum. And they used the words "Overlords", pural, so it really gives off the impression that the other Overlords are in trouble and in danger of the Vees surpassing them.

It's not that I don't think there's a power vacuum, there is, but that has to do with the exterminations ending instead of anything that has to do with Overlords.

Did these lines make sense to any of you? Because I'm just confused.

#hazbin hotel #my post #my rambles

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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#gosh all of these fit so well i love it #i feel like Charlie could slightly lean into 'manage the stress and anxiety' but only slightly

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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Why do I feel like Lucifer is the type of person who, when they walk in on their s/o naked and drying themselves off, immediately covers his eyes and starts apologizing and tries to leave the room, even though he's covering his eyes with his hands and can't see.

And you're just standing there like "Luci, we have sex tons of times, you seen me naked tons of times."

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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Hey stranger!

So a couple of days ago you asked what my list would be for least to most brattiest hazbin characters would look like, and i’m incredibly curious as to what your list would be!

This concept is really fun to me omg I really want your opinion on this 🤔

Hey random stranger who I have never met before! Fancy seeing you in my little ask box.

Here are my own thoughts regarding the tier list, also ranked from least to most to build tension:

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- Charlie: I'm glad we both agree that Charlie is at the bottom of this list lol. She's just too sweet! I feel like she doesn't even think to brat either, like she thinks "we're both enjoying this, why would I tell you to stop or not listen to you when I want to?"

I also feel like Charlie really enjoys sweet sex, like she just doesn't understand how someone can enjoy being called derogatory names during sex. She probably also says "I love you" during sex and wants to hold your hand.

At the absolute worst, she'll get embarrassed (especially when you two are first dating) and put her hands over face to hide from your sweet words.

Though, I do think that she has a hidden animalistic side to her (did you see in in the finale? 😳 I'm a dom, but oh, that got to me), that I bet that even she's unaware of. I imagine that she finds this out about herself when you two are play fighting in bed and wrestling each other around. You're able to pin her to bed and as you tease her; "Not so powerful now, are you princess?" She can't help her eyes from going red as she snarls at you.

Which of course shatters all playful energy as you reinsure her that you weren't scared - you actually found it really hot. (Also, fun fact, but as much as I go crazy about Velvette, Charlie is actually my favorite Hazbin character. Idk, she's just so cheerful, hopeful, apologetic, and nice in a show filled with loveable assholes that I couldn't help but get attached. I love her, she's my baby girl.)

- Sir Pentious: I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't see him as the least bratty character ever, lol. He's just so precious! I imagine him as being extremely shy in bed and extremely reactive. Even the most chaste kiss can embarrass him.

I also think he isn't used to hearing compliments since he's visually very more animal-like than most sinners, so some people are little put off by his appearance. So hearing you call him your "pretty boy" and "darling snake" has him flushing and squirming.

I also doubt that he could handle any mean words. It just absolutely kills his confidence. Though I do think he will find some embarrassing enjoyment in being teased, I think that it could never cross into actual mean words. He absolutely loves to please, though, and it's honestly really cute seeing him try to pleasure you even though he doesn't really know how to. What he lacks in skill, he definitely makes up in enthusiasm, though.

- Vaggie: Man, three in a roll that's exactly the same, lol. But I totally agree with you, I don't think Vaggie is much of a brat. I think she also doesn't like not pleasuring her partner (because my girl has self worth issues), so I feel like if you told her to lie down and relax while you pleasure her, it wouldn't take long before she's trying to touch you and get you off too.

That's really the only way I can see her "bratting", and I bet that after awhile with you proving to her that you want to please her, that it brings you pleasure, she eventually relaxes.

- Lucifer: I know you put him up higher, but to me, Luci would never not crumble immediately in bed. This man has a praise kink a mile long and loves to hear you call him your "good boy". Though, there's a reason he's placed here and not all the way at the bottom.

While I do think that the first few times (or, more accurately, first 50 times) he's a blushing mess who crumbles immediately, I feel like after a while he starts to gain some self confidence (and internalized the idea that he wouldn't fuck everything up with you if he messes anything up), he feels a lot more comfortable teasing you back and bratting.

I still think it's laughably easy to get him to crumble, but an attempt is still made!

- Rosie: I know you said you didn't know where to put Roise, but I do! Gosh, I love Roise so much. Every single one of her lines is my favorite. I ultimately find her to be a rather sweet character, hence why she's pretty low on the list, but I still think she has a bite to her that can make her seem brat adjacent.

Like, if you're up for it, she will totally bite you until you don't have a single unmarked bit of flesh.

- Cherri Bomb: Now we're getting into "slightly a brat but can turn it down" territory. I definitely think that Cherri has some spark in her, but I also think that it wouldn't take much to flip her over and make her show her stomach. She's kinda explosive in that way, in the sense that she's hot and quick in the beginning, a bit very quickly flizzes out.

I also think that she's not really used to pleasure? It's implied in the Addict music video that she used to have a lover, but based on her facial expressions, I don't think she really likes him all that much? Or it's complicated, at least. But judging purely by his looks and the fact the two still aren't together, I'm assuming that he wasn't that great of a partner and Cherri isn't used to getting more pleasure than she gives.

- Husk: I think he's actually a bit of a brat. You've seen him bristle whenever someone pets him in the show, I think he's kinda predisposed to ruffling up when you call him your "pretty little kitty" or pet him (even though he really likes being your pretty little kitty). I feel like he's prone to get embarrassed very easily, and this means he can be quite bratty when you lay on the compliments a little thick.

I do think that Husk would get a little off on the humiliation aspect, but it takes him a bit to really accept this fact about himself that bratting to you is easier.

I agree that he's probably used to pleasing his partner during sex, so that probably adds to his brat score as he tries to wrestle control away from you to make you feel good, too. Though, after a while, I think Husk realizes that he feels truly comfortable with you taking care of him (while calling him your pretty kitty) and won't brat as much.

- Alastor: since Alastor is canonical asexual, and I like to include this fact, I don't think he gets the same out of sex as non-asexual characters do. What I mean by this is that he isn't so interested in the physical sexual experience, but how sex can lead to many situations he isn't familiar with. I do think he finds those situations entertaining and thus finds enjoyment in them.

For example, in @/prince-liest fic Station 66.6, Now Playing: The Irreversible Ruination of Your Self-Respect (that I think everyone should read, really it's so good), introduced me to the concept of Alastor really like prey/predator play because he has some deer instincts in him. I really, really, really love that idea!

I think Alastor likes experiences like that, ones he isn't accustomed to. Especially when he you mix that with sex, something he usually has no interest in, but adds a neat layer to the whole thing.

Because of this, I also think he's somewhat of a brat. Mainly, he really wants to see what you will do to him if he says "no", will you force him? How will you force someone like him to do something he "doesn't" want to? I can see him as a sub who likes to make their dom work to get their submission, as it feeds into his massive ego.

- Velvette: she's so used to barking orders all day long that it can be hard to turn that aspect of her "off". So she can be quite bossy during sex. She doesn't really understand that you want to take it nice and slow tonight and will start demanding that you hurry it up as you eat her out.

She thinks she knows best, so she isn't shy in voicing her opinion when she thinks you're doing something too "slow" or "softly" or you're being a "tease". She absolutely hates being called a brat, too, and huffs and puffs and pouts when you call her one.

- Vox: I'm glad we can both agree that he's extremely bratty, lol. He definitely has this image in his head that he's some big shot dom, and probably doesn't even realize he's a sub until he meets you and you take him apart bit by bit. The only reason why I haven't placed him higher is because of how fast he crumbles when you have him underneath you. I wouldn't go into too much detail because I think you already nailed how Vox can turn into a dom, to a brat, to a squirming sub.

- Lute: I know you don't see her as a brat, but I definitely do. I see her as someone who can be pretty bossy in bed. I can also see her as someone who loves being "forced" into submission. She's a fighter! She wants to wrestle into you pin her to the bed and force your fingers into her cunt before shoving your fingers into her mouth to make her "taste her desperation".

I also thinks that she gets really embarrassed by sweet words, and thinks that you're just teasing her when you say she's your "adorable little angel", and thus isn't afraid to bite back at your words.

- Adam: I'm glad he's at the top of both of our lists lol. Yeah he's a terrible brat, and he doesn't really have the excuse of "wants to please you too" or "wants to be forced into submission" like other characters. He's just a brat! He wants all the pleasure for himself, and he wants it right now! I feel like the biggest struggle is actually getting him to try and please you. (Maybe you even have to lock him up in a cock cage to get him to behave - woah who said that?)

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Sorry, this is kinda half "tier rank of least to most bratty characters" and half "random smut headcanons I have". Also some of these characters got wayyyyy longer parts because I have!!! Lots of Thoughts!!! About them!!!

Anyway, I hope you like my tier list!!

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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I've seen a lot of people speculating why Alastor was so immediately pissed off at Lucifer. Some people think that Licifer reminds Alastor of his dad, so he was uncomfortable with him on principle. Others think that Alastor and Lilith have a deal, or were in contact with each other, and Lilith convinced Alastor to dislike Lucifer. Some believe that Alastor is egotistical and was upset at Lucifer immediately dismissing him.

Me personally?

Well I think that scene is an example of Hazbin's biggest flaws.

I've noticed that Hazbin has this problem of putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. I honestly think Hazbin works better when you rewatch the show, with the knowledge of future events. And not in a good, not in a "oh I understand this character's motivation now!" Kind of way.

Watching Hazbin for the first time can be confusing because a lot of time a scene will happen and you'll have no idea why the characters are acting the way that they are.

The first example is Vaggie's and Carmilla's duet in episode 2. It doesn't really make sense because you don't really know Carmilla, so hearing her sing an emotional song doesn't really make sense. Having her duet with Vaggie is even weirder because these two characters have never interacted before, so you're not even sure if they know each other.

(The song also doesn't work because it's about doing whatever you can to protect your loved ones, even doing things you don't want to do, but Vaggie hasn't really done anything that betrays her morals for Charlie, so it comes across as a little weird. Though this is a part of a different criticism I have for Hazbin.)

But after watching episode 7, the duet makes sense know. You can appreciate their dynamic because you better understand their thematic parallels.

Another example is in episode 4, when Husk starts singing he's a loser and that he and Angel are the same. This really caught me off guard the first time I watched it, because, like, Angel is being sexually and physically abused, and Husk just have to be a bar tender. Besides forcing him to be there, Alastor isn't really forcing Husk to do anything he doesn't want to do, hell, he doesn't even force Husk to do physical labor because he has his shadows to do that.

So the sing feels like emotional pay off, without really seeing that Husk and Angel are actually exactly alike, no really.

Until episode 5 comes out and you see Alastor treat Husk like a pet and even physically threatens him when Husk talks back a little bit.

I firmly believe that we should have gotten this scene before, or at least during, episode 4. It would establish to the audience that both Valentino and Alastor don't see Angel and Husk as human beings, but instead just a toy/pet. Then the song "Loser Baby" would make more sense.

(Honesty I would change quite a bit about episode 4, but yet again, there's another criticism for another day.)

So Alastor's instant animosity towards Lucifer feels like another one of those "pay off before set up" moments, where in the future we're going to get a scene that makes that scene feel more natural.

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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I think I have a theory on why Alastor didn't ask for Charlie's soul in episode 7:

Alastor literally isn't allowed to make deals with sinners for their souls anymore.

I know that it sounds a little crazy but hear me out. We see two instances of Alastor making deals with people in season 1. In episode 1, he and Vaggie make a deal, with Alastor creating the commercial. Then in episode 7 we see him and Charlie make a deal for information, and he gets a favor in return.

Episode 7 is also interesting because see Rosie tell Alastor that there's a sinner overwhelmed with the amount of territory they have and will be primed for a deal. Yet Alastor waves her off. This seems weird to me because why would he do that? Why refuse two opportunities for a deal for a person's soul twice in one episode?

Well, what if he wasn't allowed?

It gives further insight into the parameters of his deal. What loophole is he hoping to find? Maybe his deal with Charlie is a potential loophole?

I'm kinda on the fence with Lilith being the one Alastor has a deal with. I definitely think she plays an element, but I don't think she's the whole photo.

Firstly, other users have pointed this out, but Zestial says that there's a rumor that Alastor has fallen into "Holy arms", now with the episode 8 reveal you would think that would mean Lilith, but Lilith isn't known to be in heaven by the public. Even her own daughter doesn't know where she is.

So I think that Alastor's deal has more so to do with an angel. Maybe Gaberial? Because I know Vivzie has drawn him before? I'm not sure, but I still think that Alastor has a deal with someone who hasn't been revealed yet.

There's also the ever-present question of "why did Alastor show up now?"

Well, I do think that Alastor's disappearance wasn't totally voluntary, as he very quickly puts himself back as an Overlord once he returns. He attends the Overlords meetings, and he starts broadcasting again.

There's also the whole "Hell was trying to uprise against Heaven" thing that Sera mentioned, and what caused the exterminations in the first place. Unless I'm mistaken I'm not sure if we ever get a time period on when the exterminations actually start?

So maybe Lilith was apart of the uprising, and agreed to allow the exterminations if she was allowed to live in Heaven. Though I'm not solid on this theory, as the exterminations stopped and yet Lute hasn't kicked her out. More so their deal seems to be with keeping Hell in check, and now that another uprising could be on the horizon, Lute tells Lilith to go put a stop to it.

So it's possible that Alastor was apart of this uprising, and he and another angel made a deal. Though again, I have no idea what the actual contents of the deal could be.

I really doubt that the angel beat him and proposed a deal to let Alastor live, since Alastor was so prideful in the first season. And he was also so sure that he could beat Adam that he wasn't even carrying any angelic weapons. So I really doubt that Alastor avoided being killed by an angel and that's how he's on a leash.

I also considered the fact that maybe Alastor made a deal with someone else (Maybe an angel?) When he first got into Hell, and this gained him the power to defeat the other Overlords. But again I'm just not sure this is the case.

When Alastor and Adam are fighting Alastor says something along the lines of "you and I both know what one can achieve when they take control of their own destiny." This makes me believe that Alastor was entirely self-made, as I don't think he would be this smug if he had to attribute his success to someone else.

Instead I think Alastor arrived in Hell, overtook Overlords by his own power, somehow "fell into holy arms", was forced to go into hidding (or chose to, as he came out of hiding because he believed that Charlie could have been a stepping stone to him gaining his freedom back), and then came out of hidding and started living at the hotel.

Going back to the idea that Alastor isn't allowed to create deals with people to take their soul (you know, what this post was originally about), I do think this would explain his line "then I will be pulling all the strings" as if he's able to make deals for people's souls then he can control them easier, and thus "pull the strings".

Idk, I'm still kinda unsure. What do yall think?

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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I really liked that moment too! I thought it was really funny that Alastor doesn't even realize that he's aro/ace? Which I guess makes sense, as that term wasn't really a thing when he was alive, and I bet he was too busy defeating Overlords in Hell to really pay much attention to labels.

Though I do think that Alastor knows he isn't interested in romance or sex, and that he simply doesn't know that there are labels for his sexuality. Considering the fact that Rosie is very much into romance, considering it her "specialty", and the two are friends, I bet Rosie asked Alastor about past romances and if he's ever been in love, and when he responded that he doesn't put much thought into those things, she put the dots together and realized that he's ace/aro.

Rosie calling Alastor an ace in the hole and him just responding with what? is really funny and also dear to me

He doesn't know what the fuck that means, but he's still so obvious about it that everyone else that knows him well has picked up on it. Love that for him.

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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OK but it is so fucking funny to me that in episode 8 no one seems to care that Alastor (from their perspective) DIED??

Like, they all knew that Alastor was supposed to take care of Adam and then when they see Adam blasting the hotel Charlie acts like she thinks Adam killed Alastor (obviously we knew that Alastor ran away, but THEY don't!)

Charlie really only freaks out and goes to confront Adam head on after Pentious dies, and yeah, sure, you can argue that Alastor's (supposive) death contributed to Charlie freaking out, but they make Pentious a painting in his honor and do?? Nothing?? For Alastor??

Also, I'm not quite sure where, on the timeline, Alastor's bit in the "finale" song is. Like everyone else is rebuilding the hotel and yet Alastor is off being angsty? I first assumed that Alastor's bit happens directly after he escapes, but that doesn't really tie into the rest of the song and the passage of time.

Like, there's definitely a slow progression of time throughout the song while everyone rebuilds the hotel, and Alastor is missing through all of it. Did no one want to touch his creepy radio tower and left him to sulk?

Did Alastor just really, REALLY not want to do any rebuilding?

I love the song but I can't help but laugh a bit whenever Alastor's bit comes on because, dude, WHERE ARE YOU?? when are you??

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vengeful-velvette · 3 months

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OK but can we talk for a second how in Episode 8, during Alastor's bit in the song, he actually says "Great Alastor Altruist died for his friends." That he specifically called the people at the hotel his friends??

I know that Alastor was just quoting what other people would say of his death. In the subtitles it literally shows his text in quotation marks, so I do think we have to take his words with a grain of salt.

But, this does point towards the idea that Alastor is slowly starting to see the people at the hotel as his friends. I know that he was hamming it up during the "Hell's Greatest Dad" to get a rise out of Lucifer, but I don't think he was 100% lying. Plus there's also the fact that he's actually on Charlie's side, as seen in episode 7 when it's revealed that he thinks that sticking by Charlie will earn him some power. That she's on the "winning side".

This all ties back into his hubris, of course, but I still think it's interesting that he had so much trust in Charlie.

I definitely think Alastor is going through a decaying arc, where he's slowly getting less and less powerful until he hits rock bottom.

You saw how panicked he was when he limped back to his destroyed radio tower.

I honestly think that next season is going to expand on this, with the Vees getting more powerful, and Vox getting onto equal footing (or even surpassing Alastor).

I think that Alastor is going to have an episode where he tries to take back his power and reputation, only to find that he's unable to. People don't respect him anymore, not after news of him running away from the fight with Adam (because you know that Vox spread that shit like wild fire).

With possibly one of the other sinners connecting (or at least trying to) with Alastor during this point.

(I can see Angel Dust trying to say that Alastor is a "loser just like me" and Alastor being SO offended lol)

Idk, maybe Alastor and Husk can even have a moment where Husk is like "hey, anyone can fall from power. Just don't let them get to ya."

I don't think either of their talks really work with Alastor, but I think it's the first step of Alastor actually becoming a bit fond of the two of them.

And I can absolutely see Alastor reaching a breaking point some time. He nearly did in episode 8! Just a scene where he completely drops the smile.

Of course, I can see him also rebuilding himself. Maybe by becoming even more corrupt, or maybe with actual friends, idk.

Anyway, this theory has absolutely no basis but I wanted to toss it out there anyway.

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