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I actually think the orv webtoon pretty much fails as an adaptation. In the novel you're meant to identify with kdj and relate to him heavily, it's even written in first person for this: it's not "he did smth", it's "I did" ("You did"). This works right into the ending which wouldn't hit half as hard without it. And in the webtoon he's only a character. A protagonist. There's no identifying with him like this. The way he's drawn there doesn't help either...

i would definitely have to agree that the orv webtoon just absolutely does not have the same feel the webnovel does, and that it's much harder to get in kim dokja's head. but i would have to agree in that it fundamentally fails as an adaptation.

for starters, i think the idea that you can't identify with/project onto a character unless the narrative is actively holding your hand in doing that is a pretty baseless claim to make. there is quite literally nothing that could stop a person from looking at any kind of fictional character and saying 'wow hes literally me for real' no matter how much distance the narrative puts between you and them. it may take a little bit more active desire from The Girl Reading This but I don't think it's nearly as much of a stretch as you're making it out to be, especially as the story progresses and we get to the arcs that serve to make kim dokja feel a little more believably 3 dimensional than he does in his early epic isekai protagsweep cringe behavior.

also, even if what you were describing was true for every webtoon reader - that kim dokja is just A Protagonist, and not as much of a vessel for projection - i think that's genuinely an adaptation of orv that has a lot of merit and a very interesting meta-relationship to the source material. when you consider the webtoon's publishing schedule, webtoon readers are going to be operating on a timeline much closer to that of KDJ reading the original wos updates. He essentially is yoo joonghyuk to everyone who has begun reading it now, a sort of impossibly resilient protagonist they could choose to lean on for the better part of the next decade. and i think that's super interesting. kim dokja has never been more yoo joonghyuk than he is in the orv webtoon. that's not a bad adaptation at all! that is in fact very interesting to me!

the thing about adaptations that's really tricky is that it is 1. physically impossible to 'accurately' adapt a story from one medium into another. the medium is so intrinsic to storytelling that by necessity things are lost, changed, and gained in switching from one to another. and 2. considering the wide range of opinions people have about a source there really is no consensus about which exact things about a text have to be 1:1 translated in order for an adaptation to be 'faithful'. im very far behind on the webtoon but everything i have seen so far i think has done the best job it can translating it into a comic.....

.... except for the art style

i really do not like the way this person draws people, yeah. the same face is so rampant that it's genuinely difficult for some people to tell the characters apart. it's got super uninspired character design which i think is a crying shame that does a lot of these characters a huge disservice. i wish they had picked something less generic looking. but in many ways, generic looking exteriority fits orv. i can aaaalmost appreciate it from that angle, and im sure it's helping orv gain traction with the kind of people who regularly read webtoons (i am not one of these people) but. yeah. i find the way sleepy c draws people to be pretty ugly, if we're being honest.

#orv #storytelling

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i think that all stories are about consumption, performance, and/or narrative, and the best combine elements of all three

#storytelling

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this reread ive been thinking a lot about the dichotomy of like. i have been struggling so much to phrase this. how the first scenario of orv, for your story to start you have to want to live enough to kill someone and obviously this is meant to parallel kim dokja killing his father. and then a story must have a sacrifice to continue and this is obviously meant to parallel kim dokjas mother sacrificing herself for him. and idk ive been thinking a LOT about the line orv draws between someone sacrificing themselves for you and having to kill someone to survive and where that line blurs. especially in the demon king arc where kim dokja earns his demon king of salvation title through letting his friends kill them.

i dont think the story is intentionally trying to blur those lines in kim dokjas childhood story, i dont think they want you to think of kim dokjas father dying as a type of sacrifice he willingly made. maybe they want you to think about kim dokjas mothers sacrifice as a type of murder. maybe they just want you to think about what a sacrifice really is. its working on me at least. by god have i been thinking about it

#orv #kdj #lsy #orv spoilers

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one of my favourite details in orv is that it says, over and over again, that free will definitely exists. your characters will become their own people beyond your control. your avatar will gain sentience and turn against you. the world is a novel and time is a circle but you made every choice that lead you here on your own. the only time fate comes up it is seen as a despicable violation, something forced upon you, and not an inherent part of reality

#orv #orv spoilers

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the idea that restrooms, locker rooms, etc need to be single-sex spaces in order for women to be safe is patriarchy's way of signalling to men & boys that society doesn't expect them to behave themselves around women. it is directly antifeminist. it would be antifeminist even if trans people did not exist. a feminist society would demand that women should be safe in all spaces even when there are men there.

#they think patriarchy is an inevitable natural consequence of unchangeable biological facts #and therefore the goal of feminism can only be to mitigate the worst effects of patriarchy not to get rid of it #patriarchy #transmisogyny #feminism #biological determinism

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No, but to suggest that Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng only ever had the relationship of a master and servant and that the only thing that held them together was debt and obligation on Wei Wuxian's part is such a wild take considering how absolutely unhinged the both of them are when it conscerns the other.

#the funniest possible take is 'eh these guys aren't absolutely cuckoo unhinged about each other' #like the whole plot hinges on the fact that they very much are cuckoo unhinged about each other. i don't know what to tell you #also if you erase the cuckoo unhingedness of their relationship you're erasing so much interesting stuff abt wwx's character #just for one example #why would you want to do that?? baffles the pants off me #the untamed #they're brothers. they are BROTHERS

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sometimes i like to think about Jiang Cheng using Zidian as a bug zapper when there’s a fly or something

#he'd snap it out like a frog flicking out their tongue to catch a fly. just like the sandu pommel frog would if it were real #the untamed #jiang cheng

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question for the francophones. in my dico there are some pronunciation notes with the final consonant cluster in parentheses. what is this supposed to signify? for example:

distinct, distincte (distɛ̃(kt), distɛ̃kt)

so for the masculine adjective, is this telling me that normally you leave off the [kt], but in liaison you pronounce the [kt] (as opposed to just pronouncing the [t])? or is it saying that you can pronounce the [kt] or not as you please? or something else?

#i've also seen it with the word but (by(t)) which seems more likely to mean 'you can pronounce it either way' #because there's only one consonant at the end of the word. so if there's liaison you would definitely pronounce it #and wouldn't need a pronunciation note to tell you so #but with distinct (& exact & suspect & circonspect) it seems like it could be a way of telling me that #if you're going to pronounce the t you have to pronounce the k also. but under what circumstances do you pronounce the t? #only in cases of liaison? or just whenever you feel like it? #french #phonetics #lecture du dico #my posts

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[ID: Three images of a thick book, labeled "the goblin emperor", next to another book. In the first image, the other book is very thin and is labeled "the goblin emperor if they gave csevet a gun". In the second, the other book is extremely thick and is labeled "the goblin emperor if they gave csethiro a gun". In the third, the other book is the exact same thickness as the original book and is labeled "the goblin emperor if they gave maia a gun". /end ID]

#the goblin emperor #memes #x if they gave y a gun

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Murderbot I love u

Original post by @lavenderlemniscate

#murderbot #the murderbot diaries #mb artwork #thanks for the id!

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not saying this is a bad thing btw. no value judgment. just observing that i'm used to authors of the current age, who assume less about the audience's baseline familiarity than authors of the past (like the author of the book i'm reading now) tend to assume, because back when they were writing i think they could be more confident about what books their audience had read than people writing today can be.

this guy expects me to be way more fluent in middle english than i in fact am. dude i don't have chaucer memorized 😩 i'm gonna need you to hold my hand a little more than you are currently holding it.

#literature

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this system sure is collapsing, am i right?

anyway meet procedure module <3 it has like..... chill older brother energy. its design is not creative lmao

#i loooove the arrows as limbs that's so smart!!! #the murderbot diaries #murderbot #mb sc #mb artwork #described in alt

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this is reminding me of when i was talking to my sister recently and made a reference to hamlet and she was like "oh i've never read that." i feel like a hundred years ago it was easier to assume that your peers had the same baseline body of literature in common as you did because there was less literature total and/or literary education was more standardized? whereas nowadays even when talking to someone from my own culture and region who's around my own age i don't know what i can assume us both to have read. not the bible, though that would have been assumed at one point. romeo and juliet, perhaps? i could probably assume they've read harry potter, but ugh. we still have a literature 'canon' but there's so much in it that you can never know which corner of it any one person is familiar with. unless your audience is people with like, graduate degrees in english-language literature. which this guy's audience basically is.

this guy expects me to be way more fluent in middle english than i in fact am. dude i don't have chaucer memorized 😩 i'm gonna need you to hold my hand a little more than you are currently holding it.

#i think it's easier to come up with a list of authors people probably had to read something of in school #but when you want to reference something you're referencing an actual work and who knows if they've read that particular work #everybody's read some shakespeare. but which? #americans especially have probably read some poe. the raven maybe? #have people generally read dickens? i know lots of people who haven't read any austen. all of the brontes are out #for the americans again: maybe hawthorne. you can't assume whitman or melville or dickinson or hughes or angelou though #you can assume a certain level of star wars osmosis i think even though not everyone has watched star wars #(not literature but still part of the overall cultural canon) #i just don't think this was as pronounced 100 years ago. and less so the farther back you go #literature

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this guy expects me to be way more fluent in middle english than i in fact am. dude i don't have chaucer memorized 😩 i'm gonna need you to hold my hand a little more than you are currently holding it.

#i don't know what these words mean i don't know how to pronounce them and i don't know how to interpret this syntax #(the last of these three is actually the point he's making so that's okay. but i can't even figure out what is ambiguous about the syntax #if i can't interpret the individual words) #he does give the meaning of many of the words but he also presents it like 'reed of course is advice' #oh yes of course. i knew that. obviously. we're all going around with the knowledge that the middle english word reed means advice #🙄 #he also expects me to know more early modern english than i do but that's not so bad because i have actually read and watched #several of shakespeare's plays. whereas i've read a tiny fraction of the canterbury tales and that's it #it's fascinating because this probably was normal to expect of his actual audience (intellectuals in the 1930s) #but me? fuhgeddaboutit. #my posts

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PresAux, during That Scene: Please just come out of the bathroom and talk with us. 🥺

Secunit: *comes out of the bathroom, has a hissy fit, starts a verbal slap fight with the menacing (at the time) transport that abducted them*

PresAux: 😬 Do you...do you maybe wanna go back in the bathroom for a minute?

#lollll #murderbot #the murderbot diaries #mb ne #moot admins #presaux

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[ID: Tweet by @\DiscussingFilm that reads "'SEVERANCE' Season 2 has wrapped filming. Releasing later this year on Apple TV+" The tweet includes a photo of Mark making a neutral expression. He's wearing a suit with a bandaid on his forehead. /end ID]

SEVERANCE HIVE WE BACK UP

#YOOOOOO #severance

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"He has me. Those evil, bloody deeds, I'll do them" and "This pain and crime, Prince Jing can't take it, so I will bear the burden" are totally normal and hinged things to say about your long-lost bestie who thinks you're dead, who you're actively deceiving and who openly despises the person he thinks you are even as he agrees to use you.

#lirtrasltyl lidterally litteradlyyyy #nirvana in fire #mei changsu