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racefortheironthrone · 3 months
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How do you feel about revolutionary era cyclops? Both in premise and execution?
A fascinating premise fatally undermined in execution by contradictory editorial and writing choices.
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To start with, Revolutionary Cyclops was a completely logical extension of where Cyclops’ character arc had been going ever since Utopia and AvX and the Phoenix Five. All his life, Scott Summers had been Charles Xavier’s perfect soldier - not his favorite student or his most trusted student, by the one that Xavier could count on to put the mission above himself no matter the cost. And for many decades, that’s who Cyclops was, to the point where it destroyed his first marriage and caused his second to founder under the weight of his repression and trauma. But after the Decimation, Scott had to move past that, to take up the mantle of independent leadership for mutantkind - something he pursued with unflinching pragmatism and ruthlessness, before it culminated in the ultimate Oedipal rebellion. So having completely severed himself from the legacy of Charles Xavier and his dream, Cyclops had to find a new purpose, a new direction for his life, and he found it in revolutionary politics. I think that’s a quite compelling arc.
Where I think the execution got messed up was that editorial clearly wanted to portray him as being in the wrong, another well-intentioned extremist in the vein of Magneto (who not coincidentally was increasingly loyal to and admiring of Cyclops as time went on), but Brian Michael Bendis never quite agreed. We would keep reading stuff about how Scott was going too far, that his ends couldn’t justify his means, and so on - but when it came to actually showing on the page what he was doing, it wasn’t anything more extreme than the X-Men had done in their “outlaw” era, and arguably much less morally questionable than the stuff he did when he was running Utopia and was coded more consistently as heroic. (This reached its peak of ridiculousness in the post-Bendis era with Death of X and IvX, where turned out that the thing that had convinced the world Cyclops was “worse than Hitler” was to make a big psychic projection of his head and destroy one of the Terrigen Mist clouds that were threatening to wipe out mutantkind.)
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simonshepherd · 2 months
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Very old thoughts from IvX days and the narrative favors popular franchise can afford.
I will assume you all know the stories of Inhumans Vs X-Men and the can of worms it opened.
So what if they a story like this again but instead put mutants in Inhumans' shoes?
The emerging of more and more mutants cause increasingly more accidental death and destruction across the human population and humans are trying to get rid of X-genes or surpress it for safety reasons.
Oh wait, they already did and mutant cure is treated like a genocidal scheme almost everytime and all humans involved are actually just bigots or misguided at best. So is the threat of terrigen cloud more legitimate than a ticking genetic bomb that is X-gene? If anything X-gene is even more unpredictable because regular ass civilians cannot see it coming most of the time. I am not arguing that our heroes shouldn't fight against an actual genocidal scheme, but more about the fact that everything that poses inconvenience to them is conveniently evil or stupid.
Lives are more important than power and birth rights, I can agree with that, that is why X-Men/Mutants are ultimately in the right in the IvX conflict. But writers will never put mutants in the tough situation where the continuation of their power and birthrights are causing more and more death and destruction, and they had to seriously consider that question.
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tonkysexist · 11 months
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The mutant identity being pushed on Kamala is doing a disservice to all involved honestly.
Kamala has always been a character who’s identity is very central to her development. Completely changing it feels like it could void a lot of her development. The comics have a habit of trying to soft relaunch characters who blow up in the movies as a completely different version of themselves. MCU Kamala impressed me in a lot of ways, but she’s distinct from her comic self. Anyone who loves her enough to come to the comics could absolutely roll with those differences. The mutant metaphor is very specific and I feel like a lot of people not in the X-office have a hard time understanding it. The various crossovers (like the cursed “unity squad”) have proven that. Rewriting Kamala to fit that feels like incredibly difficult territory.
Also how would an “inhuman mutant” work? Like I feel that we’ve spent way too much time going in depth on why it doesn’t. I guess retconming IvX might be a positive to this.
Not to mention— the X-Men have so many WOC who don’t get the spotlight they should. I would hate to see them get pushed even further back to accommodate the spotlight for a character who was never that closely tied to them being crammed into their IP.
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positivelybeastly · 6 months
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What are your thoughts on the cerebro podcast stance on Hank?
My immediate thoughts are that I would fight Connor Goldsmith in the street.
Nah, that's an exaggeration, but I certainly don't have a lot of nice thoughts.
The biggest problem I had was that, considering those podcasts are meant to be an exhaustive, deep dive into a character, the host outright saying, oh yeah, I'm just kinda not covering anything about him from 1974 to 1986 because he isn't in X-Men comics, strikes me as an immediate admission that you don't really care about the character, you care about pushing your thoughts on the character. I immediately discount your read as bad faith, in that you refuse to confront facts over your opinion, and this is something I find, like, really depressingly common about Hank?
Hank's time on the Avengers counts. Hank's time on the Defenders counts. Hank's time with the Secret Avengers, with the Inhumans, with S.W.OR.D, in Marvel Team-Up, in issues of Spider-Man, they all count. Those appearances did still happen, even if you choose not to read them because you like staying in the X-Men hemisphere of the Marvel Universe.
And I don't blame people for doing that, god knows there's enough X-Men to read, except for when they start simultaneously wanting everything to revolve around the latest mutant tragedy but also don't want the Avengers to come anywhere near their comics because they're cops (which, what the fuck ever).
I almost think it's some kind of resentment towards Hank, that he dared to cross over to other teams. How dare he be popular in other spheres. How dare he not bleed, sweat and cry for the X-Men ever minute of every day. How very well dare he. People call him a race traitor because he sided with the Avengers in Avengers vs X-Men and was neutral during Inhumans vs. X-Men, and I really do roll my eyes at that because if you actually bother to read those books, he's actually usually talking sense and trying to be a bridge between the two parties, but he's regarded as a giga-traitor because he wasn't sucking Cyclops or Storm's dicks constantly.
Like, it's an actual fact that Hank was trying to talk the Avengers out of taking down the Phoenix Five, because he trusted the people the Phoenix was inhabiting. It's an actual fact that if he had been allowed to go back to New Attilan and explain that the Terrigen Cloud was about to start an extinction level event, Medusa would have dispersed the Cloud and avoided the whole conflict. But knowing that requires reading AvX and IvX, and people don't wanna do that, and that's fine, but if you want to start bringing that shit up in a way that makes it clear you're talking about what you remember rather than what actually happened, you best come correct, because I operate based on panels, not based on fucking vibes.
And maybe that's an exaggeration, maybe that's just sour grapes towards a fandom that's been vilifying this character since the Utopia era, but I honestly don't think it's that off base, considering how extremely weird some X-Men fans can get about the Avengers and other teams.
"WHERE WERE THE AVENGERS WHEN GENOSHA WAS BURNING - " Bro, it ain't that deep, they were saving the world from Kang. Also, this level of surface level criticism towards comic book media (you see it all the time in MCU reviews, where people ask, why didn't Dr. Strange help during this movie or this scene) just kinda bores me, because you buy X-Men to see X-Men.
Would it really make you happier if an Avenger turned up every issue to say something devastating to an anti-mutant racist and turn to the camera and give a thumbs up? No, you'd complain that they're taking up valuable panel space that could be devoted to another character's development (rightfully so), and point out that if you wanted to see Avengers, you'd read Avengers (also rightfully so).
This is all preamble to another eye roll worthy moment about the Cerebrocast, and granted, it's one that the host has said was a joke, but the whole bit about Avengers being cops . . . like, yeah, I get it, it's a joke, but you forgot to be funny about it, and it also just exposes the ignorance and bias that also leads you to state that you can totally give a legitimately informed opinion on Hank McCoy without reading a twelve year stretch where he underwent a lot of character development.
Anyway, where was I - oh yeah, so the fandom. A lot of the fandom, and I really don't think Goldsmith is immune to this, likes to operate based on vibes when it comes to Hank. They read All-New X-Men, they read X-Force, and they think they know the character, and they just like to go off, even though forming an opinion on Hank McCoy based on those runs is like having an opinion on Cyclops based on just the 90s TV show. It's not exactly a complete understanding of the character, now, is it?
And guess what? You're more than entitled to have that opinion! I don't believe in gatekeeping! What I do believe in, is staying in your lane when your understanding of a subject is demonstrably incomplete. Talk less, listen more.
People like to act like the Cerebrocast is some kind of rubber stamp, like it came down with THE FACTS on Hank McCoy, just because Connor Goldsmith had a two minute rant about the Threnody situation locked and loaded and ready to go from moment one, and, like.
I'm really glad you're passionate about Threnody, bro, someone out there has to be, but - and I hate to be this guy, I really do, but when you want to say you know Beast, you invite it - I know more about Hank McCoy than you do.
Just 'cause you've got a podcast and I don't (not about X-Men, anyway) doesn't mean you're the authority. Thanks for helping to poison the well on this character I enjoy. I can now no longer post panels of Hank being cute on Reddit because there will be at least three people talking about Threnody or X-Force or the Cerebrocast, and that's just mentally exhausting.
TL:DR - I did not enjoy the Cerebrocast episode on Hank McCoy. You should also check out this post by most beloved @brw where they cover this from the same angle, but with some different points.
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brw · 1 year
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not to bother more people but like... ive said it before and i will say it again; there's nothing wrong with an evil hank. i do think he absolutely has dubious morals, dubious ideas, dubious motivations that could be exploited in ways to make him the worst possible version of himself. it's what makes him an interesting character–that there are so many ways he could be evil, so many events in his life that would be a villain origin story in any other characters' history, and yet he remains someone who tries to think about ethics, that makes his friends laugh, who is considerate and kind and likes to play music and quote shakespeare.
the thing isn't that hank is evil, it's the fact that hank is just unbelievably , cartoonishly evil. he's not a convincing character anymore, because every evil aspect of him is so greatly exaggerated he genuinely feels like a star wars villain more than anything else. wherever as before, while Hank was questionable, even at his worst moments you could always empathise with him or at the very least understand where he was coming from; he's clearly torn up while doing shit for the illuminati, or while he's working with dark beast in endangered species, or when he's teaming up with supervillians to cure the legacy virus or when he's faced with his consequences in all new x-men. even during ivx, when his reasons were bogus, you at the very least could understand where he was coming from from an ethical perspective even if it was fucking stupid.
And every time where Percy has had an opportunity to display an understanding of Hank or even like reference anything that might be consequential or interesting or impact him, he just doesn't. Like it does feel like there's zero consideration into how a character like Hank would actually evolve into an evil character, which Dark Beast did. Dark Beast was interesting because despite being a clearly and overtly evil person, he also had emotional draws even he hadn't managed to rid himself of; one of the most interesting comics with Dark Beast is X-Men Unlimited #10, where he's unable to kill Hank's parents after hearing about their genuine love for their son.
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I'm not convinced if asked Percy would comfortably name who Hank's parents actually are. And it's unfortunate because it ends up feeling like Percy has a shockingly naïve idea of what evil people look like despite the actual content of his comics. That they're clearly and overtly insane, cruel, sadistic, literally making torture stations in space or killing their closest friends and are overall easy to hate and easy to dismiss as being nothing like yourself. And no, not every villain has to be a deep nuanced portrayal of corruption and how even those with the best intentions can become warped and lead astray, but Hank was once a nuanced character. He was interesting, once.
What made Hank so interesting again, was that he could have very easily been evil the moment he became blue and furry, but wasn't. He became an Avenger and when that didn't work, applied himself to the Defenders. He was kind. He made friends. He played the guitar and was deeply upset when he couldn't anymore when he became catlike. Like when he says in New X-Men #117, the reason he avoids violence is because he believes in other, better, bigger things.
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Again. I do think Hank can be morally questionable and dubious and do incredibly unethical things in the name of the greater good.... but he is also someone who loves his friends and that doesn't stop being a factor. Evil shouldn't be a supervillian who will literally shoot some of his closest friends in the back and use their bodies against their will and break a submarine in half condemning men with families and children to death, we don't need that. It doesn't serve any purpose than a cartoonishly caricatured antagonists for heroes to take down. What makes a morally dubious Hank interesting is the fact that people can still at least understand where he's coming from. Understand his thoughts and motivations and when done well even relate to them. That he could still be loving and caring and funny and kind and still do horrible things, because being evil doesn't miraculously remove your ability to make jokes.
It's just frustrating. Because I feel like the only thing the increasingly ridiculous feats of evilness do is just make it more and more likely that the next status quo will just reset Hank rather than deal with all that unless they just want full on Cassandra Nova deranged villain. And it's annoying because there are so much potential here but instead that's being ignored in favour of the shock factor and it's frustrating because I do enjoy the darker side of Krakoa–but there's no believability in making a bunch of clones to make up for your team, who will probably end up turning on themselves in like an issue for again, shock factor.
Anyway I'll get off my soap box but basically I think Hank would be more interesting as an actually morally grey character rather than all out evil, or at least an evil person you can understand and share motivations with. Instead he's literally just cartoon character villain with a little more blood and gore than usual.
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cranechel · 10 months
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rambling to myself but the biggest reason why cronet pulled me in so much tbh is just how down horrendous victor was for monet. like he had it so bad he would have done literally anything for her. this man was truly madly deeply in love with her etc. things he did that were batshit insane include: shielding monet from bullets with his body despite her being bulletproof and him being... well, not, when her whole vampire arc thing started just immediately promising her to keep it a secret (which he did) and letting her feed on him indefinitely, which sapped away his powers over time and left him tired and weak, and, also during vampire arc when monet went a little evil due to her brother's influence and the whole ivx thing, he let her kill an inhuman (< i think it was a child?) despite it being very very much against his newly discovered morals (bcuz he got inverted lol) just so her secret would be safe, just so he could continue to protect her like he was crazy what the fuck. monet could have told him to jump off a cliff and behead himself and he'd have been like "on it boss" like sfdghdh he GETS IT ok that's how you treat monet smh. and then the other thing (< i say as if i don't have 27357493948 reasons this ship makes me insane) that makes me crazy about them is that the two times monet really starts being evil on her vampire arc are both when victor isn't with her (during ivx, at the end of uncanny when victor picks her up from limbo and they run away together (which, sidenote, was off-panel & then he left her off-panel too which is still insane to me bcuz like i get it had to happen editorially so she could move on to gen x and he could move on to weapon x but as we have established this man was self-sacrificingly and absolutely bonkers devoted to her like he simply would have not left no matter what she would have had to literally kill him via feeding hdgfdj) and after uncanny & after victor left her in gen x) like otherwise she's mostly chilling. in misery but chilling still. the implications are deranged to me.
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coco-little-rose · 1 year
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I read a very strange article from an official newspaper, probably the equivalent of fox news in my country so it could be a misinterpretation on their part, about a billionaire named Peter Thiel and how he used the blood of his son to try to stay young (by transfusion of course).His main focus is "the transfusion of blood from a young individual to an older man."
It's funny to think he hold the same belief than Madame de Montespan, a mistress of Louis IVX in France. Only the method change, because she take part in black mass and children blood was used for various reason: to keep the king in love with her, sometimes black mass was performed over her nude body because at this time, people held the belief that children bloods could be use as "an elixir of youth".
We're in 2023, rich people understand that children blood can't be use as a love potion but they still focus on youth. If you are scare of aging, try to find some useful thing about alzheimer, parkinson and all.
Is it fear of aging or fear of death? but sorry you could just spend ressources around more useful research.
Also this reminds me Peter Pan from Once Upon a Time :D
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sebastianshaw · 2 years
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OK SO IM BACK headache might be returning so I’m gonna try to get to as many memes as  I can BUT FIRST report on Eve of Judgement--- Ok, so at least it’s not “all the Eternals decide mutants are excess Deviation and must be culled” bc that’s dumb as hell. It’s “Druig has now ascended to being Prime Eternal, and while he doesn’t actually think mutants are really excess deviation that needs to be culled, it’s what he’s going to say in speeches. His REAL reason is he thinks that this is a good move to bind his new subjects to him, all coming together in something terrible and a “return to tradition in a fallen age” and like...it’s shakey reasoning but it does make sense for how he would think, his previous human identity was the fascist dictator of a fictional Eastern European nation, complete with death camps. Uniting people he rules via getting them to do terrible things on his command is his brand.  And like, I am fine with Druig being Druig. My main concern is whether our heroic Eternals were suddenly going to be gung-ho about murdering all mutants. Right now. . .most of them don’t know about this. The majority of the “heroic” Eternals that we follow have fucked off to Lemuria to live among the Deviants peacefully and trying to basically find a new way to live and exist. Given this new leaf, it’s highly unlikely to me they’re going to go along with Druig’s idea, especially since they can’t stand the guy anyway at the best of times. Which is what I was optimistically hoping for way back when this started being talked about, that it would be the doing of the villainous Eternal(s) and our good guys would be on the side of the mutants. Which we don’t know is the case yet cuz again, Ikaris and Sersi and Thena and so on don’t even know about this shit yet, but that’s my current prediction.  Oh, and, uh, actually, all our “heroic” Eternals are NOT at Lemuria. Ajak and Makkari are up to their own thing, and tried to recruit Phastos into it. It’s not yet revealed exactly WHAT, but Phastos was not down for it, and in his own words they are trying to “make a god” and whatever that means, they’re the ones who kidnapped Sinister for this end. I am VERY keen to see what these ladies are planning, especially as there’s a hint that whatever it is, it might end up causing Big Trouble for Druig (”What’s the worst thing a bunch of priests could do?” is not a question that Druig would rhetorically think if the story was NOT intending the priests---Makkari and Ajak---to end up being a huge problem for him after all) Between that and kidnapping Sinister and USING HIS CAPE TO GAG HIM, they’re the highlight of the issue for me....even if Ajak is like, shamefully whitewashed. She looks literally EXACTLY like Sersi used to, right down to her old hairstyle, and the way they drew Sersi in this makes her look like Spock.  But yeah basically the art is my only complaint, and while I am still not a fan of this whole plot, it is thus far going in the best direction I think it could for what it is (that is, just being Druig’s idea, not the good guys, and depicted as entirely evil and self-serving, no “both sides” thing like IvX and AvX) and I really, REALLY want to see what Ajak and Mak are gonna do. Definitely more enjoyable for me than the X-comics, lol.
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cassandralexxx · 21 days
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I fucking hate these people so fucking much.
im just so beyond frustrated. I had called these people multiple times throughout several weeks and they are so fucking incompetent. You fucking dumbasses. I receive infusions because I have an autoimmune condition and without them I am in chronic pain and experience muscle damage and just all around have a shitty fucking time. And my insurance decided that they no longer wanted them done at the infusion center I was before because they consider that a “hospital” treatment but it’s outpatient so they are actually just fucking stupid. In any case I needed to have it done at another infusion center so I have contacted them a bunch and my rheum has contacted them a bunch. Last time I talked with them they said they’d be contacting my insurance to ensure everything is in network and they’d call me back. Fucking POS I call them back today like hey it’s been over a week any news? And those assholes are like oh no we haven’t contacted your insurance we are missing some information and actually just today sent to your rheum office about it. You fucking pricks were you just lying every other time I talked to you?? I hate being tired in pain and weak and we are at the 6 week period I’m supposed to be at to receive my next dose but no fuck me.
Fucking incompetent and worthless. Actually since they are nationwide: screw you IVX y’all suck fucking ass 🖕
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thecityonthemoon · 2 years
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It’s important to mention that not all inconsistencies about terrigen in canon are bad, in my opinion. I like it being a little unpredictable and I like the characters having complex, sometimes contradictories views on it
Like, I was thinking earlier about Alecto, and I think Gorgon helping prevent Luna’s terrigenesis and also putting his own daughter through it multiple times are things that can coexist and it’s interesting to think of them coexisting
But some of those inconsistencies are so big that it’s hard to imagine that the events surrounding them happened in the same universe. Yes, I am talking about Son of M and IvX
(But then again, it’s almost as if the whole terrigen cloud plot was written with the conscious decision to throw away everything that had been established so far about how the terrigen works. The terrigen of Silent War would have been deadly to everyone if released on the atmosphere - mutants, humans, even inhumans. Regular people would enjoy a catastrophic day of super powers then bye bye. I find both approaches interesting, the terrigen cloud gave me some of my favorite stories and characters, and the super dark old times are what first hooked me up to these comics, but every time I stop to think about how this change simply happened and yet the stories are supposed to happen in sequence I just. Like I said I did expect retcons and such but I still find it so wild)
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ivxtimes · 4 years
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कोरोना वायरस ने पूरे विश्व में तबाही मचा रखी है, जनजीवन ठहर सा गया है और आर्थिक गतिविधियां ठप पड़ी हैं। अमेरिका में एक तिहाई लोगों की मौत दुनिया की वित्तीय राजधानी माने जाने वाले न्यूयॉर्क, उसके नजदीकी इलाके न्यूजर्सी और कनेक्टिकट में हुई हैं। इसका अमेरिकी अर्थव्यवस्था पर भी बहुत बुरा प्रभाव पड़ा है, यहां मंदी आ गई है और बीते तीन महीने में 3.5 करोड़ से अधिक लोगों को अपनी नौकरी से हाथ धोना पड़ा है।
हालांकि मृत्यु दर और नए मामलों की संख्या में अब कमी आने लगी है। इसे देखते हुए लगभग सभी 50 राज्यों ने अर्थव्यवस्थाओं को फिर से खोलने की हिम्मत जुटाई है। सदन में बहुमत के नेता स्टेनी होयर ने कहा, ‘‘कोविड-19 के कारण 1,00,000 वें अमेरिकी व्यक्ति की मौत हो गई। ऐसे में हमारा देश एक दुखद मुकाम पर है। पूरे देश में, इतने परिवार इस बीमारी के कारण अपने प्रियजनों को खोने के दुख में डूबे हैं।’’
जॉन हॉपकिन्स विश्वविद्यालय के मुताबिक बुधवार को अमेरिका में मृतकों की संख्या एक लाख को पार कर गई है। होयर ने कहा, ‘‘इस त्रासदी का असर कितना होगा यह अंदाजा भी नहीं लगाया जा सकता क्योंकि जान गंवाने वाले इन एक लाख लोगों में कोई माता-पिता होगा, कोई दादा-दादी या नाना-नानी, भाई या बहन, बच्चा और हमारे मूल्यवान समुदाय का सदस्य होगा।’’
न्यूयॉर्क टाइम्स ने कहा कि मृतक संख्या कोरियाई युद्ध के बाद से हर संघर्ष में मारे गए अमेरिकी सैनिकों की संख्या से भी ज्यादा है। यह 1968 में अमेरिका में फ्लू महामारी में मारे गए लोगों की संख्या के बराबर है और उससे भी एक दशक पहले एक अन्य फ्लू महामारी से मरने वालों के 1,16,000 के आंकड़ों के करीब पहुंच रहा है। अब तक 17 लाख अमेरिकी कोरोना वायरस से संक्रमित पाए गए हैं। रोग नियंत्रण एवं रोकथाम संबंधी अमेरिकी केंद्र (सीडीसी) के मुताबिक देश में इस संक्रमण ने हर आयुवर्ग और हर समुदाय को अपनी चपेट में लिया है। 
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brw · 11 months
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I saw one of your older post regarding beast descent to villainy. If you wrote a similar story how would you go about it?
ooooo okay, i have a few different ideas! I'm gonna organise these into little bullet points, because I have different ideas of what would work in different time periods Vs what I think artistically / thematically would be fun to play around with as a writer & artist. I'm putting these under a cut because I ended up saying a lot more than I thought I would so apologies in advance!
Okay my first idea is a fairly standard one and it's kind of similar for what's going on currently but like. actually taking into account who Hank was before instead of just putting an edgy OC in his skin. Because I do think Hank has increasingly got more comfortable with compromising his own morals for the idea of the greater good and I do think he gets that trait from Charles, and I think he's very easily manipulated into doing bad things if it's sold to him as being for the greater good of it all. But the thing is, Hank would never stop personally loving, caring and respecting the people he works with. He would never stop fighting on behalf of Logan, Ororo, Jean, Wanda, etc, he would never stop trying to be their friend and vying for their love and appreciation. And I think in a situation where he thinks that what he's doing is justified but it comes at the cost of them no longer respecting him, I think he would internally hate himself a lot more. Hank has always been someone susceptible to internal conflict and self-hate and my vision for a villainous Hank would be for those to be his core defining features as a villain. Someone who does genuinely believe what they're doing is right but hates himself every step of the way as it distances him further and further from those he loves. He couldn't necessarily be reasoned with but you would always be able to see how much guilt he felt for having to hurt those he cares about rather than mindlessly killing Logan when it suited him. Before anything, Hank McCoy is someone who loves his friends and I would prioritise that as his core trait as a villain.
Alternatively, I think another route I can see Hank becoming a villain is that I think Hank has already begun to feel distant from the other X-Men and from his other friends. I think during Bendis' stint and IvX is where this is most clear and that's what this would be based off from. I think when the X-Men gather as a group to try and stop Hank from doing what he's doing, "The Trail of Hank McCoy" or whatever the issue is called, I think I can see a particularly testy Hank who is already doing in his mind everything that can be done to help them going "alright, fuck you, maybe I will be this awful mad scientist you keep pushing me to be". This is kind of a pure villain and wouldn't be terribly in character but I would put the more campy, hedonistic Avengers-y side of Hank to the forefront because I think before anything a properly, genuinely villainous Hank who is leaning into villainy should be fun. Like Dark Beast, awful, but he's fun! Current Hank has none of the pizazz of Dark Beast or of Sinister or Doom or whoever and I think that stylishness and charming villainy would be what I would want of a properly evil Hank. If he is going to be evil, and be someone you absolutely cannot reason with, he should be fun. He should be exciting and charming and exactly as suave and as emotionally intelligent as he was before.
Moving into less specific and more vibe-based ideas, another route for what isn't necessary villain Hank but certainly a much more vicious one is that during a bad spell Hank works on trying to cure himself again of his blue guise. Maybe tensions are rising, maybe he's isolated, maybe he got hate crimed, maybe someone was too condescending to him, who knows, but he doesn't want to be blue anymore and is determined to cure this via some old methods that Ben Grimm managed to turn back into human those random few times. It works, but what he ends up with is a Jekyll and Hyde situation where the Beast suddenly is its own distinct animalistic persona. The reason for this is that I think Hank spends a lot of time thinking about what his life would be like if he wasn't so visibly mutant and this would give that to him, but he's so focused on not letting his other persona slip out that he doesn't enjoy it at all and arguably becomes more reserved and isolated in an attempt to make sure he never gets tempted to turn blue again. And the blue side obviously is where all the fun loving, charming side of Hank went into, as well as all the primal urges and viciousness. I think it would be fun for Hank to explore that maybe him as his blue self really is the best place for him to be, as well as probably causing conflict when the X-Men want to use his furry self but he doesn't want that and ends up feeling used. A little Hulk esque I guess, I think it could be a fun exploration where Blue Hank is the one that everyone wants, but he is borderline feral a lot of the time and can really easily become incredibly dangerous because he doesn't have the impulse control Hank would usually have.
Hank becomes a werewolf. I'm not elaborating this one I just think it would be fun.
Another idea I have for an evil Hank is a Hank who got stuck in a time loop. Where he was constantly forced to relive a series of days where he couldn't save some of his closest friends and the repetition of seeing them suffer eventually drove him more or less mad and now he's so determined to protect his friends that he ends up like. slaughtering any kind of threat he can see and becomes increasingly deranged and vicious. I like this one because it brings Hank's love of his friends to the absolute forefront where that's the exact reason for his actions–he can't bare to ever go through anything like that ever again.
Another way I think Hank could become, not necessary even evil but certainly a lot more willing to act evil is if he and Dark Beast or another Beast that isn't Dark Beast specifically but another evil alternate universe Beast switched bodies permanently for a few years and nobody noticed. This is actually one of my favourite ideas for "fixing" the current characterisation and is based off the Star Trek Mirror universe episodes. 616 Hank tries to act more or less normal so he doesn't end up like, exiled and so he can work on getting home but has to like do un-anaesthetic open heart surgery every morning otherwise people will get suspicious, and by the time he manages to switch back his exposure to such a dark world has meant he's a lot more desensitised and prone to violence than before. He's still fighting for the X-Men and is still generally loving but when before he wouldn't claw someone's face off, now he definitely will because he's become so used to it.
and yeah! I have a few more vague ideas floating around but those are my general ideas for how I would personally like to do a villainous Beast arcs. None of them are perfect, all of them have flaws, but my goal would to always keep as much as Hank's character consistent. Because my problem isn't Hank as a villain–my problem is that so little of who Hank is has carried over to villain Hank to the point of which he feels like an entirely different character. Hank being evil shouldn't mean Hank suddenly doesn't flirt anymore or that he no longer is a caring person and no longer holds the safety of his friends as a priority, but because Percy's aim is to shock rather than to tell a compelling story we don't have any of those aspects of who he is. Anyway I hope these were interesting to read and I hope I explained them well! Have a nice day.
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thecityonthemoon · 2 years
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Heya! I hope this isn’t weird or anything, I usually only lurk on Tumblr and I kinda made this account just to be able to ask people things. Anyway, I’ve been getting into Inhumans recently (the show was on D+ and I was bored, things happened) and it’s kind of surprised me seeing how much people seem to hate them?? Not just the show versions, the comics too. From what I can tell, a lot of that hatred seems to go back to Death of X/ Inhumans vs. X-Men, but all the discussion I’ve seen about that conflict seems to just…take the X-Men’s side automatically, for some reason. I was wondering, as someone who leans more towards the Inhumans’ side of things, if you had any thoughts or opinions on those events? I apologize again if this is weird, there just aren’t very many Inhumans blogs I can ask, and I’m really curious to hear from someone who likes the less popular side, so I hope you don’t mind!
Hey! Thank you for the ask!
Yes, a lot of the hatred the inhumans got seem to come from IvX, but I think some of it is better explained by the context rather than by what happens in the comics.
I wasn’t around at the time, but from what I know, some people at Marvel were salty over not having the film rights to the X-Men (which belonged to Fox at the time), and decided to hype up another group of super people. Some great inhumans comics came out from it, as well as Agents of Shield. Then the actual inhumans show flopped, Disney bought Fox and got the rights back, Marvel let Donny Cates release an awful comic in which he killed all the inhumans except a few, and Kamala Khan is a mutant in the mcu now.
It was a stupid move of them (Marvel people), and some X-Men fans still are still mad that anyone dared to try and replace their beloved mutants (I would be. I know I am mad here on the other side of the story, and this anger is part of what moves me to write on this blog) (I have seen people who are still stuck on this matter, one of the first interactions I ever got in this blog was someone like this who was apparently going to everyone complaining that Kamala was revealed to be a mutant in the show going “inhumans suck blah blah blah”).
IvX was released when this was still going on. I have a lot of thoughts on the story itself.
I do agree that the X-Men were right in the fight. Or at least would be, if the fight was legitimate to begin with.
As far as most mutants involved knew, the terrigen cloud released by Black Bolt was a threat to their people. Mutants got sick from breathing it, and it could kill them. The cloud was soon going to become mixed with the planet’s whole atmosphere, forcing them to leave if they wanted to survive. If the cloud was destroyed, all that would happen to the inhumans was that they would not be able to give powers to their next generations.
And yes, one people’s right to live in the planet they were born in, safely and healthily, is much more important than other people’s right to keep their tradition of getting super powers.
There are two catches in this, though:
The inhumans didn’t know everything that was at stake. They knew the effects the cloud had on mutants, but they didn’t know it would become mixed with the atmosphere. They were working on a cure, and as far as they knew they had all the time in the world to do it. They helped mutants escape areas that would be hit by the cloud soon. The deadline was discovered by Beast, but he never got to tell the inhumans about it. When the mutants attacked New Attilan, none of the inhumans understood what was happening, and they fought back to defend themselves and their people
The whole thing was staged by Emma Frost to get revenge for her dead boyfriend. Cyclops was apparently killed by Black Bolt after destroying part of the cloud - except that was not even the real Cyclops, which had died from breathing the cloud. She kidnapped Beast so he couldn’t get in her way, and lied to the other mutant leaders so they would agree with her plans
When the team formed by younger inhumans learns that the cloud with become irreversibly mixed with the atmosphere, they stopped fighting. When Medusa learned of it, her choice was to press the button to destroy the cloud herself.
(Medusa would later pay the price for this choice, as via the weird ways the terrigen works she lost her powers and got sick because of her choice)
And when the rest of the mutants learned about what was really happening, they also stopped fighting
Inhumans Prime starts showing that Storm and Medusa gave a press conference together, and Storm even promised to help the inhumans find an alternative to terrigen
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In short: there would have been no fighting if everyone had access to all the information from the start. The inhumans were reluctant to destroy the cloud, as the terrigen is a substance with important cultural and almost religious meaning for their people, but none of them wanted to keep it at the cost of mutant lives. For the inhumans, they were just fighting back against an unprovoked attack.
It is a good story.
I don’t think the inhumans (not the royal family, and specially not everyone else) did anything in it to deserve being seen as the bad guys, when looking at what’s really going on.
The destruction of the terrigen cloud had the potential to be a big change for the inhumans, but unfortunately not much was released about them after it. It is unclear whether they found a replacement - the next installment, Royals, is all about it but it fails to mention whether they got it in the end or not. Then Death of the Inhumans made it all irrelevant since most of them apparently died now that Marvel is done playing with them for now.
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thecityonthemoon · 2 years
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From times to times I think about making a reading list to share, but I think it would be awful because I would include a bunch of boring stuff just because “you need to know this happened!”
And then I thought that it would be easier to make a themed one. I think I could try it someday. Since I like the fucked up world building, I could try doing one of that
I tried to think of what I would include, I realized it’s a lot more than I thought
Like Lockjaw, the cute and funny comic about the beloved mascot, reveals fucked up world building that I couldn’t leave out
And I wouldn’t want to include the cursed comic in it, mostly because I wouldn’t recommend it
I find it almost funny, that many of the previous comics which were going for different tones did tragedy and pain and trauma so much better than the comic which really was going for tragic and dark
(Not all of them did it well, some did worse than the cursed comic but like. Lockjaw did well at balancing the tragic backstory and the light hearted story. Maelstrom was a tragedy that made me feel things, even if he was a bad guy who I had never met before. BB’s psychological torture in the solo series served a purpose in the story while the physical torture in the cursed comic was just graphic. The mass killing didn’t have as much emotional impact as the kids on both sides being dragged into the war in IvX, or Alecto treating Reyno as worthless, or Agon going “on whose children were we supposed to experiment, then?” in the Royals flashback.
I think this is an example of both the way that in fiction smaller tragedies sometimes feel worse than big tragedies, and also that there are many other ways to make a tragic story than to just kill everyone. Look at Attilan Rising. Look at What If? Infinity. Look at Darkhold: Black Bolt. Three different tragic AUs that work very well without needing to be edgy like the cursed comic. They are creative. People die, but they don’t depend only on it.
Medusa’s death in Attilan Rising is shocking, but the real tragedy lies in how everyone was trapped with no chances of winning a fight against Doom, their lives played with
In What If? Infinity, the fact that BB did kill the rest of the Illuminati is part of the tragedy, but the biggest point, at least for me, is that he betrayed everyone around him by letting them believe the other heroes were still alive somewhere
And Darkhold has the whole identity fuckery going on
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नई दिल्ली: अमेरिकी सरकार के शीर्ष संक्रामक रोग विशेषज्ञ ने रविवार को यह चेतावनी जारी की है कि लाखों अमेरिकी नागरिक कोरना वायरस से संक्रमित होंगे और इस महामारी में एक से दो लाख लोगों की मौत हो जाएगी। यह चेतावनी न्यूयॉर्क समेत कई शहरों के लोगों द्वारा ट्रैवल पाबंदी को सीमित करने की मांग के बीच आई है। क्योंकि अमेरिका में लोगों का आग्रह था कि लॉकडाउन को सीमित किया जाए।
नेशनल इंस्टीट्यूट ऑफ एलर्जी एंड इन्फेक्शस डिसीज के निदेशक डा. एंथोनी फौसी ने यह सख्त चेतावनी जारी की है। रविवार की सुबह तक अमेरिका में लगभग सवा लाख लोग कोरोना से संक्रमित पाए गए जबकि  2,200 लोगों की मौत हो चुकी है। (AP)
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