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asongoficeandfiresource · 4 months

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Meta: A Tale of Three Daenerys’

An element of authenticity George R. R. Martin adds to the ASOIAF universe is the repetition of names. The same names appear repeatedly within specific cultures and the spread and popularity of certain names is used to illustrate how one culture has influenced another. Just look at the wide popularity of Targaryen names throughout Westeros, especially Alysanne.

With Daenerys Targaryen, GRRM has created two other characters with her name, so far: Daenerys, daughter of Aegon IV and Naerys, and Daenerys, daughter of Alysanne and Jaehaerys I. Both of these characters seem to be used to lay the groundwork for elements of the canon era Daenerys’ story and character arc.

Daenerys, the Retconned Princess

In The World of Ice and Fire, Jaehaerys I and Alysanne do not have a daughter named Daenerys. In fact, in the main series, Daenerys of Dorne is referred to as the first. But with the release of Fire and Blood Vol 1, Martin restructured the birth order of Jaehaerys and Alysanne’s children, which included not just reshuffling, but also removing and adding children. One of those additions was Princess Daenerys, who took the place of Alyssa as the second born child and oldest daughter of the family.

So the question is, why did Martin retcon TWOIAF just to add a new Daenerys? Part of the reason is likely to flesh out the reign of Jaehaerys and Alysanne with more information and loss. But why name her Daenerys and not Rhaenys after their grandmother or any other name? There is a wealth of Targaryen names Martin could have given this new child, but he chose Daenerys, the name of one of his main five characters in the core series. He likely made that choice to give additional foreshadowing for the canon era character.

At first glance, the two Daenerys’ don’t have much in common with Jaehaerys and Alysanne’s daughter being born into a stable family and kingdom as their oldest living child who grew into a confident girl but died young, while our Dany was born an orphan and an exile, and grew up constantly afraid, gaining confidence and strength in her teens. In that way, they are narrative foils. But where the foreshadowing comes in is with how Alysanne views her daughter.

Based on a combination of moments in Fire and Blood, there is a possibility that Alysanne had the gift of foresight, like other Targaryens in the series. For some unexplained reason, Alysanne is very insistent on Daenerys becoming queen after her father. This is strange because equal primogeniture is not the norm in their culture. Visenya did not become queen regnant, her younger brother Aegon became king. Rhaena did not become queen regnant, her two younger brothers and uncle became kings, though Aegon the Uncrowned was only a claimant. What’s more, Alysanne never pushes for Rhaena’s rights over Jaehaerys’. But she does push for Daenerys’ rights over her son’s. Why? Because she knows Daenerys will be a great queen:

[Princess Daenerys] so enchanted Alysanne that for a time Her Grace even began to eschew council sessions, preferring to spend her days playing with her daughter and reading her the stories that her own mother had once read to her. “She is so clever, she will be reading to me before long,” she told the king. “She is going to be a great queen, I know it.” – Fire and Blood

This is a rare issue where Alysanne is certain about something, but turns out to be wrong, since her daughter dies before having the opportunity to become queen regnant. It is very possible that Alysanne’s certainty over her daughter’s future and Martin’s purpose for retconning this child into existence was to foreshadow Dany’s eventual position as Queen of Westeros. Often with prophetic visions, they can be misunderstood by the person experiencing them as seen with Daeron the Drunken and Daemon II Blackfyre in the Dunk and Egg novellas. While both of their dreams came true, they happened very differently than what they initially believed. So the great queen named Daenerys who Alysanne might have seen wasn’t her daughter but her distant descendant.

Daenerys of Dorne

The Princess Daenerys who married Maron Martell was initially mentioned in passing in a Dunk and Egg novella, The Sworn Sword, but wasn’t named in the text until A Dance With Dragons where her connection to both the series era Dany and Martell family was emphasized. She is cited by Davos as the person Dany was named after and is the source of the Targaryen blood that gives Quentyn the belief that he can tame one of the dragons. She is also the reason the Water Gardens were built and through that palace was able to impact every generation of Dornish children after her.

Unlike the previous Daenerys, there are quite a few parallels between Daenerys of Dorne and the canon era Dany. They were both the products of extremely unhappy and abusive marriages. They each had significant age gaps between them and their siblings, with their older brother having reached adulthood and had a child or children of his own by the time of their birth. Their brothers married them to men outside of their culture. While Dany was exchanged for the promise of an army to take back Westeros, Princess Daenerys’s marriage was part of a treaty that united Dorne with the rest of Westeros. Both women marry for duty despite loving other men. Each of them are particularly protective and caring toward children. They also look beyond the social status of individuals and see that everyone is equally worthy of protection and a quality life.

While Dany pushes for freedom and justice in Slaver’s Bay, Princess Daenerys used her position in Dorne to benefit children regardless of class:

“Beautiful and peaceful,” the prince said. “Cool breezes, sparkling water, and the laughter of children. The Water Gardens are my favorite place in this world, ser. One of my ancestors had them built to please his Targaryen bride and free her from the dust and heat of Sunspear. Daenerys was her name. She was sister to King Daeron the Good, and it was her marriage that made Dorne part of the Seven Kingdoms. The whole realm knew that the girl loved Daeron’s bastard brother Daemon Blackfyre, and was loved by him in turn, but the king was wise enough to see that the good of thousands must come before the desires of two, even if those two were dear to him. It was Daenerys who filled the gardens with laughing children. Her own children at the start, but later the sons and daughters of lords and landed knights were brought in to be companions to the boys and girls of princely blood. And one summer’s day when it was scorching hot, she took pity on the children of her grooms and cooks and serving men and invited them to use the pools and fountains too, a tradition that has endured till this day."

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"I told the story to Ser Balon, but not all of it. As the children splashed in the pools, Daenerys watched from amongst the orange trees, and a realization came to her. She could not tell the highborn from the low. Naked, they were only children. All innocent, all vulnerable, all deserving of long life, love, protection. ‘There is your realm,’ she told her son and heir, 'remember them, in everything you do.’ My own mother said those same words to me when I was old enough to leave the pools. It is an easy thing for a prince to call the spears, but in the end the children pay the price. For their sake, the wise prince will wage no war without good cause, nor any war he cannot hope to win.– ADWD

It might seem like a simple thing to allow a large amount of commoner children to partake in privileges alongside highborn and royal children, but this is hugely significant since it allows children of higher stations to form positive relationships with children of lower classes. The rest of Westeros does this at a far smaller degree, but usually at the convenience of the highborn. This act essentially put all of the children who stay at the Water Gardens on equal footing, even temporarily so they can all see that at their core, they are all made the same. This allows the royalty and nobility to empathize with commoners which will impact the choices that will impact everyone. Princess Daenerys’ impact on the ruling family kept Dorne mostly out of the War of the Five Kings, meaning that while the common people of nearly every region have been slaughtered and abused in the conflict, only one Dornishman has died so far, Oberyn Martell, a prince in full control of his actions rather than thousands of commoners ordered onto the battlefield.

Even though Dany is still a queen at war in the series, there are similarities between her motivation and choices. As noted above, both Daenerys’ have a weakness for children. Princess Daenerys fills the Water Gardens with “laughing children”. Dany wishes to do the same:

I want to make my kingdom beautiful, to fill it with fat men and pretty maids and laughing children. – ACOK

But more than that dream, when it comes to children Dany shows she is willing to take direct action to protect and avenge them. When the slavers of Meereen murder slave children and taunt Dany by mounting their bodies on milepost, Dany made sure to see them herself: "I will see every one, and count them, and look upon their faces. And I will remember.” (ASOS) Then she avenged them by killing the exact number of slavers in the same way the children were killed. Even when she doubts whether she did the right thing, she insists it was done for the children. Then, when Drogon kills a child, Hazzea, Dany tries to chain all of her dragons so that never happens again, though she only manages to capture two of the three. Despite the fact that she considers the dragons to be her own children, it only takes the death of one child to push her to imprison them, showing just how much she prioritizes the lives of these people. Even when it comes to the children of the slavers, Dany refuses to harm them regardless of what crimes the adult slaver commit:

Dany had grown fond of her young charges. Some were shy and some were bold, some sweet and some sullen, but all were innocent. – ADWD

Where the strongest parallel comes into play is with the way both Daenerys’ realize that there is no fundamental difference between people of different social classes since they are the same when brought down to their bare essentials:

On another island two lovers kissed in the shade of tall green trees, with no more shame than Dothraki at a wedding. Without clothing, [Dany] could not tell if they were slave or free. – ASOS

As the children splashed in the pools, Daenerys watched from amongst the orange trees, and a realization came to her. She could not tell the highborn from the low. Naked, they were only children. All innocent, all vulnerable, all deserving of long life, love, protection. – ADWD

The only thing that separates the highborn from the low or the free and the enslaved are societal restrictions. Since there are no natural physical differences between people of different ranks in society, that means they are all deserving of freedom and good lives. While Princess Daenerys acted upon this realization to effect change through the inclusion of all children from different walks of life into the Water Gardens, Dany fights for the freedom of slaves and allows freedmen places of power in her government and gives them a voice at court alongside people who were born free. Here are just a few of the many examples of Dany attempting to establish equality for the freedmen:

Reznak would have summoned another tokar next, but Dany insisted that he call upon a freedman. Thereafter she alternated between the former masters and the former slaves. – ADWD

Rylona Rhee had played the harp as sweetly as the Maiden. When she had been a slave in Yunkai, she had played for every highborn family in the city. In Meereen she had become a leader amongst the Yunkish freedmen, their voice in Dany’s councils. – ADWD

“The freedmen work too cheaply, Magnificence,” Reznak said. “Some call themselves journeymen, or even masters, titles that belong by rights only to the craftsmen of the guilds. The masons and the bricklayers do respectfully petition Your Worship to uphold their ancient rights and customs.”

“The freedmen work cheaply because they are hungry,” Dany pointed out. “If I forbid them to carve stone or lay bricks, the chandlers, the weavers, and the goldsmiths will soon be at my gates asking that they be excluded from those trades as well.” She considered a moment. “Let it be written that henceforth only guild members shall be permitted to name themselves journeymen or masters … provided the guilds open their rolls to any freedman who can demonstrate the requisite skills.” – ADWD

Princess Daenerys also helped to cement a permanent peace between House Targaryen and House Martell with her marriage uniting Westeros. That combined with the tradition of creating a closer bond between people of different classes and the continued caution on thinking of the people while making decisions that will affect them, she continues her legacy of peace. Our Dany also keeps the people who choose to follow her at the forefront of her thoughts with every decision she makes. She too wishes for peace and takes action to achieve that, even at her own detriment.

“Peace is my desire. You say that you can help me end the nightly slaughter in my streets. I say do it. Put an end to this shadow war, my lord. That is your quest. Give me ninety days and ninety nights without a murder, and I will know that you are worthy of a throne. Can you do that?” - Daenerys IV ADWD

She thought of Doreah, of Quaro, of Eroeh … of a little girl she had never met, whose name had been Hazzea. Better a few should die in the pit than thousands at the gates. This is the price of peace, I pay it willingly. If I look back, I am lost. - Daenerys VIII ADWD

Like all good queens she put her people first—else she would never have wed Hizdahr zo Loraq—but the girl in her still yearned for poetry, passion, and laughter. – ADWD

Conclusion

While the three Daenerys’ don’t have anything close to similar lives, each of the Daenerys’ of the past seem to intentionally have call backs or call forwards to the series era Dany. Both of them seem to foreshadow Dany’s current and future storylines with pushes for social progress and her future as the reigning Queen of Westeros. So far, Martin has included only three characters with this name, but with the positive change Dany is bringing to Essos and will bring to Westeros when she helps save the world from the Others, it would only be natural for the name to grow in popularity.

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coldraindropsss · 6 months

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yourlocalnetizen · 2 months

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Jaehaerys I: Do you think you're my daughters in every universe? Daenerys, Daella, Saera, & Viserra: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat us?

Alysanne: Do you think you're my daughter in every universe? Viserra: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat me?

Viserys I: Do you think you're my children in every universe? Aegon II, Helaena, Aemond, & Daeron: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat us?

Larra: Do you think you're my children in every universe? Aegon IV, Aemon, & Naerys: Is there a universe where you don't abandon us?

Viserys II: Do you think you're my daughter in every universe? Naerys: Is there a universe where you don't marry me to my abuser?

Aegon IV: Are you my son in every universe? Daeron II: Is there a universe where you don't hate me & try to make my life hell for no reason?

Jaehaerys II & Shaera: Do you think you're our daughter in every universe? Rhaella: Is there a universe where you don't marry me to my abuser?

Aerys II: Do you think you're my son in every universe? Rhaegar: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat me?

Rhaegar: Do you think you’re my children in every universe? Rhaenys & Aegon: Is there a universe where you don't abandon us for a teenager?

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acewithapencil · 10 months

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“My sister’s line must end.”

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dragon-queensguard · 1 year

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Dany has experienced/is experiencing the same struggles that the first two Daeneryses were put through, but to more extreme lengths. The first Daenerys was set aside in favor of her younger brother simply because he was male, although she was certainly too young to fully comprehend what was happening, and died tragically young so the issue never really came to a head. Dany’s gotten past the point of being an heir and is now actively fighting for the right to rule, while facing opposition in part because she’s a woman.

With Daenerys, sister of King Daeron II, she wasn’t allowed to marry Daemon for love, and instead her brother and king had her marry to fulfill political goals (bringing Dorne into the Seven Kingdoms, in this case.) It’s hard to compare this Daenerys’s feelings to Dany’s, presumably fire and blood volume 2 will shed more light on that aspect, but I will say at least with Daeron II he probably trusted that his sister would be treated with care and respect by the husband he had chosen for her. Viserys clearly did not care how Dany would be treated by Drogo. Her happiness, safety, and well-being meant nothing to him. Now she’s married to Hizdhar, and she was able to make that decision for herself, but she did it for her people, not out of love.

So I guess what I’m trying to say is that the first two Daeneryses had power and control denied to and withheld from them by their respective male relatives/kings, and Dany has gone through the same thing, but I think she’ll be able to achieve what the first two weren’t. She’ll have control on a political level by ruling as a queen in her own right, and she’ll have control on a personal level and be able to choose who she marries and do so for love.

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sarcasticsweetlara · 6 days

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Queen Daenaera Velaryon's Mermaid Crown

Daenaera is the daughter of the Lord Daeron Velaryon, who fought for both Queen Rhaenyra I and King Aegon III Targaryen.

It is obvious her family is Team Black no matter what antis want to say, and the marriage of Aegon and Daenaera was the best choice for him both as a political alliance and as a match.

Daenaera brought House Velaryon back to the royal family; her father Daeron Velaryon fought for Rhaenyra and for Aegon III Targaryen and his wife Hazel Harte and him seemed to have had a good relationship with Baela and Rhaena in order to entrust their daughter to them in case something happened to them (and sadly it did, my poor baby girl became an orphan at six years old 🥺).

After all the strife that happened to both House Targaryen and House Velaryon, Daenaera and Aegon met and wed each other.

Queen Rhaenyra I Targaryen had made a deal with House Velaryon that there would be Velaryon blood in the Iron Throne one way or another, and here it was the chance to fulfill that agreement after all the fighting that had make it seem there would not be another Targaryen - Velaryon union.

Daenaera was a queen who had given everyone hope even if she herself struggled with it at times, her queenship represented hope.

It is likely Daenaera died from the same illness of Aegon III as she dedicated herself to take care of him (because she loved him).

Daenaera had to wear a crown that represented a new beginning and to be the symbol of peace and freshness, and to emphasize how House Velaryon was as godly as House Targaryen.

Daenaera wearing a mermaid like crown would be perfect for her and her legacy.

If Daeron had lived and married a Rogare maiden as it is presumed, then she would have worn Daenaera's crown.

And this is surely the same crown her daughter Daena wore for the short time she was queen consort (likely a year) honoring her mother as Daena also honored her father with her black outfits signaling her love for both her parents; later on Naerys would wear the crown of her aunt Daenaera as a homage to the line of her uncle King Aegon III Targaryen as her father Viserys II Targaryen became king after Baelor died and the lords preferred him over Aegon and Daenaera's daughters (Viserys had years of experience whereas Daena, Rhaena and Elaena had been isolated) and Aegon IV and her became king and queen after Viserys II Targaryen died.

It is also possible Daenerys Targaryen The Second (the daughter of Aegon IV and Naerys) also wore it, in an attempt of showing both House Targaryen and House Velaryon were reconciling with Dorne - I have the headcanon Daeron II betrothed a Velaryon cousin of his (Viseriya Velaryon) to the heir of House Caron in another attempt of calming the Marcher Lords - and therefore the crown of Queen Daenaera would be needed.

If Naerys' mother Larra had become queen and been able to be present for her children, she would have worn it frequently as the Queen Mother if Daeron II had been Viserys II's direct heir; Larra would have worn Daenaera's crown as a consort and later her own crown as the regent for Daeron II, and same for Naerys, wearing Daenaera's crown as a Princess regent and later the crown of her mother as Queen Mother, and would give it later to Viseriya Velaryon (oc - granddaughter of the youngest son of Baela) during her marriage to the Lord Caron.

After that they would have given Daenaera's crown to Daena and her children, after making sure Daena married someone of her election, but in the current timeline as Naerys probably felt guilty for how things turned out, it is a fact Naerys felt she had to atone for Aegon IV's attitude and how Daenaera's daughters were denied the crown, and did so by seldomly wearing Daenaera's crown.

After Daenerys, the crown of Queen Daenaera probably went back to Daenaera's descendants, this time to the children of Jeyne Waters (my headcanon is that Jeyne married into House Borrell while Jon married into House Waxley, Houses from the Vale) as a tribute to Queen Daenaera and to give legitimacy to Jeyne as the bastard daughter of Alyn Velaryon and Elaena Targaryen.

In the end it was Elaena who carried on with Aegon and Daenaera's line aside from the Blackfyres, though Rhaena had a great legacy of reclaiming the Targaryen status as different from the rest of the men with her work as a Septa, Elaena deserved to have the crown of her mother who had been so far one of the most beloved queens.

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Daenaera's legacy is still alive through the actions of all of her children - we may not like the Blackfyres, but we can't deny Daena was an icon of resistance - and has influenced the whole story of GOT

Daenaera is one of the best queens in the whole saga of books.

#daenaera velaryon #queen daenaera #queen daenaera velaryon #house targaryen #house velaryon #daena targaryen #rhaena targaryen (daughter of aegon iii and daenaera)#rhaena the septa #elaena targaryen (daughter of aegon iii and daenaera)#larra rogare #naerys targaryen #daenerys targaryen (daughter of aegon iv and naerys)#jeyne waters

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DAENERYS TARGARYEN APPRECIATION WEEK 2023

Day 4: Character Parallels → Rhaena the Black Bride and Daenerys Stormborn

The Queen in the West:

In the Red Keep of King’s Landing sat the Queen Regent Alyssa, widow of the late King Aenys, mother to his son Jaehaerys, and wife to the King’s Hand, Rogar Baratheon. Just across Blackwater Bay on Dragonstone, a younger queen had arisen when Alyssa’s daughter Alysanne, a maid of thirteen years, had pledged her troth to her brother King Jaehaerys, against the wishes of her mother and her mother’s lord husband. And far to the west on Fair Isle, with the whole width of Westeros separating her from both mother and sister, was Alyssa’s eldest daughter, the dragonrider Rhaena Targaryen, widow of Prince Aegon the Uncrowned. In the westerlands, riverlands, and parts of the Reach, men were already calling her the Queen in the West. - A Surfeit of Rulers, Fire and Blood

Dany knew she would take more than a hundred, if she took any at all. "Remind your Good Master of who I am. Remind him that I am Daenerys Stormborn, Mother of Dragons, the Unburnt, trueborn queen of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. My blood is the blood of Aegon the Conqueror, and of old Valyria before him." - Daenerys II, A Storm of Swords

Three Husbands:

Rhaena was married to Aegon the Uncrowned, Maegor the Cruel and Androw Farman.

Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . . – Daenerys IV, A Clash of Kings

The Queen in the East:

“Done,” the king said…mayhaps too hastily, for it must be remembered that Aerea Targaryen, a girl of eight, was his own acknowledged successor, heir apparent to the Iron Throne. The consequences of this decision would not be known for years to come, however. For the nonce it was done, and the Queen in the West at a stroke became the Queen in the East. - A Time of Testing: The Realm Remade, Fire and Blood

"The best calumnies are spiced with truth," suggested Qavo, "but the girl's true sin cannot be denied. This arrogant child has taken it upon herself to smash the slave trade, but that traffic was never confined to Slaver's Bay. It was part of the sea of trade that spanned the world, and the dragon queen has clouded the water. Behind the Black Wall, lords of ancient blood sleep poorly, listening as their kitchen slaves sharpen their long knives. Slaves grow our food, clean our streets, teach our young. They guard our walls, row our galleys, fight our battles. And now when they look east, they see this young queen shining from afar, this breaker of chains. The Old Blood cannot suffer that. Poor men hate her too. Even the vilest beggar stands higher than a slave. This dragon queen would rob him of that consolation." - Tyrion VI, A Dance with Dragons

Refusing to Cry

When word of the battle reached the west and Princess Rhaena learned that both her husband and her friend Lady Melony had fallen, it is said she heard the news in a stony silence. “Will you not weep?” she was asked, to which she replied, “I do not have the time for tears.” - The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood

His business done, the captain of the Indigo Star bowed and took his leave. Dany shifted uncomfortably on the ebony bench. She dreaded what must come next, yet she knew she had put it off too long already. Yunkai and Astapor, threats of war, marriage proposals, the march west looming over all . . . I need my knights. I need their swords, and I need their counsel. Yet the thought of seeing Jorah Mormont again made her feel as if she'd swallowed a spoonful of flies; angry, agitated, sick. She could almost feel them buzzing round her belly. I am the blood of the dragon. I must be strong. I must have fire in my eyes when I face them, not tears. "Tell Belwas to bring my knights," Dany commanded, before she could change her mind. "My good knights." - Daenerys VI, A Storm of Swords

Gains Confidence After Bonding with a Dragon:

At the age of nine, however, Rhaena was presented with a hatchling from the pits of Dragonstone, and she and the young dragon she named Dreamfyre bonded instantly. With her dragon beside her, the princess slowly began to grow out of her shyness; at the age of twelve she took to the skies for the first time, and thereafter, though she remained a quiet girl, no one dared to call her timid. - The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood

Day followed day, and night followed night, until Dany knew she could not endure a moment longer. She would kill herself rather than go on, she decided one night … Yet when she slept that night, she dreamt the dragon dream again. Viserys was not in it this time. There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood. Her blood, Dany sensed. Its eyes were pools of molten magma, and when it opened its mouth, the flame came roaring out in a hot jet. She could hear it singing to her. She opened her arms to the fire, embraced it, let it swallow her whole, let it cleanse her and temper her and scour her clean. She could feel her flesh sear and blacken and slough away, could feel her blood boil and turn to steam, and yet there was no pain. She felt strong and new and fierce. And the next day, strangely, she did not seem to hurt quite so much. It was as if the gods had heard her and taken pity. Even her handmaids noticed the change. "Khaleesi," Jhiqui said, "what is wrong? Are you sick?" "I was," she answered, standing over the dragon's eggs that Illyrio had given her when she wed. She touched one, the largest of the three, running her hand lightly over the shell. Black-and-scarlet, she thought, like the dragon in my dream. The stone felt strangely warm beneath her fingers … or was she still dreaming? She pulled her hand back nervously. - Daenerys III, A Game of Thrones

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Time to time I think about the three forges of Daenerys Targaryen (the little daughter of Alysanne and Jaehaerys I, who died from the Shivers, feeling the cold; Aegon IV's daughter, who married with a Prince of Dorne and began the tradition of hosting children in the Water Gardens, no matter their origin; and the actual Daenerys, the Mother of Dragons).

Obviously, there's a link between the three women stronger and more complex than the name. And some parts of their lives rhyme like the verses of a song.

The first girl could be a queen, but the cold (maybe there's a connection with the Others?) caught and killed her during her childhood.

The second had a political marriage and went to Dorne. But she became known by the Gardens.

These parts of their lives are, too, parts of the life of the Mother of Dragons: to be a queen, to be chased by the cold (for now, in dreams), to have political marriages and because she wants equality for all.

She has a song.

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alienoryva · 4 months

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Targaryen women who are described as very beautiful ;

🪻Queen Rhaenys Targaryen

youngest child of lord Aerion Targaryen and lady Valaena Velaryon also sister-wife of Aegon i Targaryen/The Conqueror

🪻Queen Rhaena Targaryen

First child of King Aenys i Targaryen and Queen Alyssa Velaryon and sister-wife of Prince Aegon Targaryen/the uncrowned and niece-wife of King Maegor i Targaryen.

🪻Queen Alysanne Targaryen

Fifth child of king Aenys i Targaryen and queen Alyssa Velaryon and sister-wife of king Jahaerys i Targaryen.

🪻Princess Viserra Targaryen

the tenth child of King Jahaerys I Targaryen and Queen Alysanne Targaryen, Never married and died at the age of 15.

🪻Queen Rhaenyra i Targaryen

The only daughter of King Viserys I Targaryen and Queen Aemma Arryn, wife of her cousin Laenor Velaryon and niece-wife of Prince Daemon Targaryen.

🪻Queen Daena Targaryen

Third child of King Aegon III Targaryen and Queen Daenaera Velaryon, sister-wife of King Baelor I Targaryen.

🪻Queen Naerys Targaryen

The youngest child of King Viserys II Targaryen and Lady Larra Rogarre of Lys and sister-wife of King Aegon IV Targaryen.

🪻Lady Shiera Seastar

The only child and bastard daughter of King Aegon IV by his last official mistresses Lady Serenei of Lys and the paramour of her half-brother Lord Brynden Rivers.

🪻Queen Daenerys i Targaryen

The youngest child of King Aerys II Targaryen/the mad king and Queen Rhaella Targaryen.

note: It is common knowledge that all Targaryen women are beautiful but above is a list that has very beautiful visual descriptions

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gotham-at-nightfall · 1 year

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The Royal Families of The Seven Kingdoms: Part 3

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asongoficeandfiresource · 1 year

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Targaryen Week 2023 || Day Five: Pairings -- Targaryen-Martell Unions

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coldraindropsss · 11 months

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Daenerys Targaryen, daughter of Aegon IV and Myriah Martell

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yourlocalnetizen · 7 months

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AU where all the adult dragons survive the dance in full health but no new eggs are hatched

(and their riders still die ofc)

Here's who I see the next generation of Targs claiming:

(Seasmoke will continue getting passed down by House Velaryon)

Viserys II: Vermithor - Intellectually he had the potential to be the second coming of Jaehaerys, I think Vermithor would have seen his first rider in Viserys II and formed a bond with him.

Aegon IV: Syrax - Both very lazy and very fertile. I know he would have wanted Sunfyre because he seems superficial as heck but I can NOT see him bonding with Sunfyre. (Say what you will about Egg2, but he loved Sunfyre in a was Egg4 was incapable of loving anyone.)

Aemon: Tessarion - The Daeron the Daring vibes are there! I think Tessarion would have been drawn to him judging by him sharing many traits in common with her first rider.

Naerys: Dreamfyre - Might have not claimed a dragon at all but Papa Viserys might have hoped a dragon would improve her poor health and pushed her to claim one. Plus, Dreamfyre LOVES her miserable tragic Targ Queens and Naerys gave birth to twins once. You know who else had twins? That's right, Queen Rhaena and Queen Helaena.

Daeron I: Vhagar - Boy King would have wanted himself the greatest beast he could get. Nothing more fitting to conquer Dorne than a conqueror's dragon. Would have gotten himself and Vhagar killed in Dorne like Rhaenys & Meraxes.

Baelor I: Silverwing - If he chooses a dragon at all I can't imagine it being anyone other than the gentle Silverwing.

Daena: Meleys - I think Meleys has a type: strong & badass Targ ladies.

Rhaena: NONE - She 100% wouldn't have claimed a dragon.

Elaena: Morning - After aunt Rhaena's death. She stole her other aunt Baela's man (Alyn V), only fitting for her to take Rhaena's dragon.

Daeron II: Sunfyre - While he's not that similar to Aegon II obviously, Sunfyre is a dragon who's characterization is built around love. I love the idea of Sunfyre picking up on a boy feeling rejected by his father and filling that hole like he did for another Targ boy before, only this one ended up being a better person. (Plus daddy undearest Aegon IV would have been so pissed off seeing Daeron claim the prettiest dragon.)

Daenerys: Silverwing - She seemed intelligent and likable and kind, not to mention her descendants followed absolute primogeniture and she shares a name with feminist icon Alysanne's daughter so Silverwing just fits.

Baelor: Tessarion - Listen! I trust my girl Tessarion to have good taste! I can see Baelor claiming her after great-uncle Aemon's death.

Aerys I: NONE - I feel like be wouldn't have one. He's so Archmaester Vaegon coded, he'd just be locked up in his room with his books.

Rhaegel: N/A - Just N/A, we know nothing about him.

Maekar: Sunfyre - He would wait years to claim Sunfyre after his dad's death. Sunfyre would have been very large at this point plus he's a war dragon which would be perfect for Maeker's war-like tendencies.

And the great bastards...

Daemon Blackfyre: Vermithor - I think Aegon IV would 100% let him claim a dragon and I think Vermithor would fit him. Especially with his forbidden love story with Daenerys.

Bittersteel: Vermithor - After Daemon's death, he'd claim Vermithor to continue Daemon's fight just like he took Blackfyre.

Bloodraven: Caraxes - An unusual dragon just like Bloodraven himself. I can see Daeron II offering him a dragon but I can't see him having a dragon going into current day so he'd probably get Caraxes killed at some point.

Shiera Seastar: NONE - As lovely as she is, there would be 0 good reason for Daeron II to give her one since she isn't fighting wars for him like Bloodraven.

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acewithapencil · 3 months

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Targ designs

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Do you think there was any truth to the daemon blackfyre and Daenerys were in love story? I honestly would think not except for the so spake Martin where grrm said they were in love

Do I think it's possible that Daemon and/or Daenerys may have been interested, and indeed perhaps mutually interested, in one another? Sure. We know virtually nothing about Daenerys with respect to either her personality or her appearance, but it certainly might have been the case that Daemon found her attractive - by her own merits, because he saw himself as having the right to a Targaryen royal bride (as perhaps Prince Aerion may have a generation later), a combination of these or some other reason, who knows. Likewise, just as I think Daenerys' nephews (who were of an age with Daenerys herself, of course) may have gotten along reasonably well with Daemon in the years prior to the First Blackfyre Rebellion, so I think it is at least possible Daenerys found herself romantically inclined toward Daemon, a handsome, charming, very martially talented knight of her own age and a familiar presence at the Targaryen court (especially, perhaps, compared to her brother's faraway, "foreign" brother-in-law, who may or may not have been close to her in age). So I would say it's certainly in the realm of possibility that either or both these two young people felt some level of romance for one another. (That obviously doesn't mean that their feelings never changed either: it's always worth keeping in mind that Daemon was a husband and the father of at least nine children when he died, while Daenerys was herself a wife and the mother of an unknown number of children by Prince Maron.)

Do I think it is just as possible, and not mutually exclusive with the above, that pro-Blackfyre propagandists as well as future storytellers and singers seized upon and made much of the Daemon-Daenerys relationship, including some degree of exaggeration and romanticization? Absolutely. Yandel himself notes when discussing the lack of evidentiary support for the proposed love affair, stating that "[i]n the years afterward [i.e. after the First Blackfyre Rebellion], Daenerys was never aught but a loyal wife to Prince Maron, and if she mourned Daemon Blackfyre, she left no record of it". We as readers are in turn are reliant on (as yet unknown) contemporary accounts and later interpretations of events to understand Daemon's and Daenerys' personal feelings, without the benefit of being able to separate the story from the (fictional) reality.

So for pro-Blackfyre propagandists, the idea of a doomed love affair between Daenerys and Daemon may have aided in their characterization of both Daeron II and Daemon: "Daeron Falseborn" was so wicked, the story might have gone, that he would personally deny the happiness of both his half-brother and his sister and so damnably xenophilic that he would prefer to sell his only sister to the Dornish; Daemon, for his part, might then have had no choice (again, according to this propaganda) but to stop the pro-Martell terror of King Daeron, for his own sake and that of the kingdom. (Yandel indeed even hints at the political advantage of such stories, noting that "some of Blackfyre's partisans later claimed" that Aegon IV had promised Daemon that he, Daemon, could take two wives.) Singers and storytellers, for their part, may have seen such a relationship, to whatever extent it actually existed, as too fertile ground to ignore for creative inspiration. How perfectly tragic it might have seemed for these creators, the daughter of a queen who was herself supposedly the subject of a doomed love affair (even though I doubt that was really the case), pining for the dashing royal rebel who longer for her in turn, the anguish of the hearts turning into a massive national civil war where they would be forced to opposite sides.

Do I think that, as Barristan Selmy remembers the story, "Daemon Blackfyre loved the first Daenerys, and rose in rebellion when denied her"? Probably not, at least to that level of simplicity. Whatever personal feelings Daemon may have had toward Daenerys, and/or she toward him, the First Blackfyre Rebellion was a conflict whose origins had been simmering for years prior to its official start in 196 AC. From the moment of the aggressively pro-war Daeron I's assassination and the accession of the aggressively pro-peace Baelor, the parameters of political divide among Westerosi power players had been set. Aegon IV and Daeron II had only hardened that factionalization of the kingdom: father and son had come to embody the division of attitudes toward Dorne, with Aegon IV extending his personal hatred and pettiness toward Daeron to politico-military actions against both Daeron and his Dornish allies, while Daeron's personal familial relationship with the ruling family of Dorne extended to greater political patronage toward the Martells and Dornish more generally, culminating in the nuptial peace with Prince Maron. These divides had existed and been developing before Daemon Blackfyre was born, and while I am certainly not absolving Daemon of any agency when it comes to the First Blackfyre Rebellion, I don't think the war can simply be boiled down to an unfulfilled romantic affair.

Do I think GRRM will simply leave the matter at that SSM from back in 2012, where he noted that "[d]espite Daemon and Daenerys being in love, her brother the king, Daeron the Good, was more concerned with matters of state than matters of love"? Probably not. GRRM is a storyteller himself, after all, and I would be very surprised if he didn't take the opportunity to explore the potential romance between Daenerys and Daemon. Fire and Blood Volume 2 will undoubtedly provide more details regarding this period, and while that story is obviously not a traditional novel/novella-style narrative that allows for a lot of character interiority, it's very possible we'll get more third-party observer accounts about the relationship between Daenerys and Daemon from this period.

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