#just to make myself clear I dont think this makes up for his casual racism to ed this season

[idolo-mantis]

you know whats really cool is not sending writers death threats because they killed a character you liked. its not "burying your gays" if everyone is gay and the guy who died was gay but also pretty homophobic for the majority of the time he was on screen. also I've seen people say that he died for no reason and while I do think his arc could have been executed better to make the payoff more impactful, I think his death wraps up his arc really well and is the end that I was foreseeing for him since last season he dies sacrificing himself for the wellbeing of the crew, something he would have NEVER done in s1. in fact he sold out the crew to the english and told ed he was better off dead than expressing vulnerability. do y'all not remember that? like he literally tells ricky that he doesn't understand piracy because ricky would never be willing to die for something bigger- the crew. the wellbeing of the people who you care for. hes not really talking about piracy, hes admitting that he had the same mindset as ricky, too focused on the glory and the bravado. he tells ricky that hes willing to die. he knows that he hurt everyone on that ship and sacrifices himself so that they can have a chance at happiness again- a time where they lived for each other and not just themselves. THIS is his redemption. it was always going to end this way tbh. just because a writing choice makes you upset doesn't mean that it was bad- in fact if you were an izzy liker I dont understand why this wouldn't make you enjoy his character more but one thing I can say is they certainly didn't kill him because he was gay

#ofmd #ofmd spoilers #our flag means death #not putting this in his tag #just to make myself clear I dont think this makes up for his casual racism to ed this season #but I am glad he apologized for treating ed so terribly #his arc was rushed but so was this whole season #people saying that him dying ruined the show for them though... i hate to break it to you but hes never been that important to the narrativ #like maybe if your enjoyment of the show hinged on one character you just never really liked it #anyways izzy stans you legally arent allowed to send me hate for this post because its my birthday

[the-sanders-sides]

inidan american (desi) logan

a sequel to this post because people asked for more and i decided that they shall receive (and also i love writing these)

fair warning, logans a bitter kid, and this isnt as positive and happy as romans post. ive experienced two different ways of being desi, one where i lived in fully asian and indian community and didnt even think id ever feel alone, and another where i moved to a place where i havent met another desi in like 7 years of living here in a 3 hour driving radius. in romans post i played into my first experience and how at home i felt. in the second experience, the one im in right now, i am much more bitter about who i am and not really knowing anyone who gets it anymore. so i play into that A LOT in this. so keep that in mind. (and he will get happier in a future part. m planning on making this into a series)

ok so first off. his name is logan sanders. people (mostly other indians) dont believe him when he tells them. he tells them they dont know indian history. they say they do. he tells them that the british fucked around (quite literally) in india for four centuries so of course english names would stick with that precise wording

sometimes when he’s annoyed enough and doesnt want to explain this for the millionth he defends himself with this russel peters skit (watch it, it’s hilarious) because it describes his family. to a T. 

he grew up in a community with not very many asians, and knew no indians outside his family so he felt a sort of disconnect to his culture

while his grandparents and parents would teach him about indian culture, he felt so distant from it since he knew no one outside his family who was indian, and since he didnt have any siblings or any nearby cousins to hang around with

he had visited india once but he was too young to remember it properly or too remember his cousins

the closest mandir was an hour away so that also limited the amount of indian kids/people he knew

he barely knew hindi because everyone in his family spoke english, especially in public

he felt guilty over the disconnect he felt and would always try to bridge it but would never accomplish this because it he kept losing passion since he rarely saw other people like him in the real world and in the media and he didnt see the point of trying

this all changed in eight grade when he moved next door to the Kumar family in a north indian street of some south asian blocks in an asian community

when his family first moved, the Kumar family invited the Sanders over to welcome them

it turns out the Kumar’s had a son who was the same age as logan

“hi logan! im rohan kumar! but i like going by roman instead of rohan!” 

this introduction pissed logan off 

he was seething because why would this kid who got to have an indian first AND last name change his name to an english one! why didnt he see the value of his name!

he knew right away that such a difference meant they could never be friends 

“im logan sanders, but thats all youll get to know about me because i see no use associating myself with someone as... well, ignorant, as you”

roman decides to whip out one of the swears his cousins taught him and whisper shouts “who are you calling ignorant, bhenchod?” 

 it became clear to him that this was new turf, and people on this new turf must be speaking hindi. and that he was the ignorant one if he couldnt talk in hindi. he made a vow to learn it as fast as he could to make sure this roman kid wasnt better than him

but, logan grits his teeth and says “you, and i know it must be true because you were too dumb to understand me the first time”

this evidently struck a sore spot in roman because he didnt fight back but just stalked away. logan smiled slightly, happy to have won that argument

logan asks his grandpa to teach him hindi and his grandpa gets super excited

they start lessons immediately and despite barely hearing it growing up, it’s as if his brain was made for this because he picks the language up amazingly fast and in a months time, while not able to speak back yet, he can understand most casual conversation

his first diwali in basically little india is the most magical thing ever

diwali at his old home was very quiet because there wasnt anyone around to celebrate with

everyone is so happy in this new home however. everyone is dressed up and all the houses are lit up and there are diyas everywhere and he doesnt want to admit it but the kumar’s have the best rangoli on the street and it’s because of roman and he knows roman did it because sometimes he’d stare out of his bedroom window while doing homework and have a perfect view of roman delicately working on it for two weeks

(the kumar’s front porch had been covered with tarp waiting for diwali to make sure romans precious rangoli wasnt stepped on or ruined. when it’s finally let up, everywhere where there could be art, there is. it’s insane how good at colors roman is, logan thinks)

diwali morning: 

he fights his parents because he doesnt want to miss school for diwali because americans dont have a day off for it. his parents set the clocks in the house ahead to make him think he overslept so he would skip school. (logan didnt know that his parents had submitted an excused absence form for religious reasons and that the school was very understanding. he thought it would be like his old school where he wouldnteven bother trying since he wasnt christain and the school was lkinda discriminatory)

they spend the morning in mandir and it’s nice. for once he doesnt feel different from his peers because he goes to mandir and not church or synagogue. he feels at home.

diwali afternoon:

the afternoon is spent with frantic cleaning and cooking and digging around for the diya’s that were still in boxes, packed away from when they moved

logan offered to find them all to continue with a diya science experiment he started two years prior. his theory was that the diya’s were multiplying and there were more each year despite no one buying anymore

this held true, because even though he could only find half of their diya collection, it was somehow more than the entire diya collection of two years prior. 

diwali evening:

theres a big potluck and everyone in the neighborhood is out talking to each other, looking at the decorations at everyones houses, eating samosas, and playing with sparklers. 

logan feels content

he makes a new resolve to learn more about hinduism. if this is what ti was supposed to be, then he never wanted to be away from hinduism. 

he looked at the metaphors and symbolism in everything and finally understood what his dad meant he told logan that hinduism is just science written in poetry and that string theory is written in the ancient texts

middle school in this new town is so much better than middle school in his old home. why?

a. doesnt get bullied for being a nerd

b. doesnt get called gay slurs 

c. the classes are harder 

d. much less racism

e. all of the above

soon enough, logans asking his grandpa to teach him how to cook Indian food

Logan spends the day burning dosas and making lopsided rotis

(eventually he gets the hang of it, and a he'll be cooking food for an infuriating Indian boy ;) ;) psst it's roman)

Speaking of boys

Coming out isn't an option for logan

He knows that his parents arent really religious enough to really look into hinduism and see that no, gays are not bad

But they are traditional and conservative enough to be homophobic

not homophobic as in spewing hate with the westboro baptist church at a pride parade

But homophobic as in "the gays are fine as long as they don't do it in front of me" kinda thing

So Logan stays quiet

the closet kinda sucks but i mean what can he do

it’s safer inside, and he as illogical as wishing is, he wishes that people would use their brains and realize there’s nothing wrong with gay

anyway

in school logan makes his first desi friend, who was dubbed as anxiety years ago and cant seem to get rid of the nickname and now has a whole complex about his name so logan doesnt know his name

logan and anxiety meet in the school library: logan studying and anxiety hiding

people dont like anxiety

especially non-indian kids

surprise surprise it’s an old buddy called racism, but anxiety’s story is for another time

(but even though no one really likes anxiety, whenever racist shit goes down, it has to go through roman)

so logan and anxiety become fast friends

and they make fun of roman (a+ bonding)

logan claims that roman is a hypocrite for changing his name to an english one while being so immersed in indian culture

anxiety doesnt dispute this, but says he has a past with roman

a past that involved getting stuck with the name anxiety

again, another story for another time

one day, when logan and anxiety are eating lunch they see roman destroy some homophobes who throw around the word f*g and keep calling caitlyn jenner, bruce jenner

logans chest surges

he’s all like “what?? emotions?? pride at roman?? is he better than me for being so open and standing up for what he believes in??”

gay panic basically

but logan masked it well and pushed it away

the next day roman comes to school with a pride patch on his jean jacket

logan feels like he cant breathe

logan is supremely jealous of roman.

he can be gay in peace

he can pretend not to be indian in a way that benefits him

and he’s not affected by stereotypes in the same way?? like what does this kid not have

and by stereotypes i mean

roman is the complete opposite of all indian and desi stereotypes: loud, flamboyant, theatrical

logan’s personality is exactly how the stereotypes are. he’s nerdy and likes science and math and it seems like he cant escape the stereotypes. they follow him. and he feels guilty that he likes science and math and is nerdy. 

as illogical as it is, he wishes he was different from how he is

but logan later learns that there are more than just his perspective on being desi and that every desi kid growing up faces challenges about it that are different than his, causing them to experience being desi differently

and logan will accept that, in another story at another time

for now, he’s just bitter. and as illogical as it is, he wishes the world was better

and now, i shall tag some people who asked to be tagged and some other desi’s who loved this because i feel like you guys might appreciate this too. also i love u. desi famders squad up.

@sssixeyedrunt @ultimate-queen-of-fandoms2 @caterpiller-tea @xxxbladeangelxxx @snufflesthegrim227 @cloudchaser7 @thelowlysatsuma 

#logan sanders #logince #virgil sanders #roman sanders #desi #desi headcanons #sanders sides #mine #please love this #r #l #v

[adrianicsea]

im kind of confused by always sunny like what is it actually about? like some of the things in it make me rly uncomfortable like the whole thing with carmen and mac's homophobia and the casual racism nd stuff in it nd i just dont kno how im supposed to react to it like am i supposed to love it and find it funny or hate it and the characters or? idk nd ive been on the iasip reddit as well and its a lot different from what ive seen the fandom on here talk abt tbh? idk

this is a really good question! and one that i had myself before i started the show. unfortunately it’s not something i can answer very briefly so please bear with me. i’m just gonna throw out the facts and things as i see them and then you can draw your own conclusions on how to feel about the show; i will readily admit that it has more than its share of legitimate issues and that the show just isn’t for everyone.

so the basic premise of the show is that four self-centered assholes (joined by a fifth self-centered asshole in season 2) own a shitty irish bar in south philadelphia. they never actually RUN the bar, though, because they’re too busy trying to run get-rich-quick schemes or because they’re doing other stupid things.

if you ask the writers, they will say that there IS no premise; it’s just a show about these horrible characters living out their sad, pathetic lives.

the truth is somewhere in the middle-- the show is one third social/political satire, one third nihilist comedy, and one third character-driven tragedy.

i DON’T blame you for being concerned about the transmisogyny, mac’s internalized homophobia, the racism, and everything else-- the show is meant to be a satire, but the early seasons aren’t very good about making that clear, so it really comes off SUPER cringe-worthy. most people actually recommend to new viewers that they skip season 1 entirely and only come back to it later if they really like the show. in later seasons the writers get better about handling SOME of the more sensitive topics they discuss (their record with race is STILL really fucking spotty though, as is their treatment of carmen.)

the characters are intended to be horrible people; you aren’t supposed to support their beliefs or want them to succeed. the writers are VERY clear about this-- every time you see the characters say or do something racist, or sexist, or homophobic, or generally Bad, it ALWAYS ends up coming back to bite them in the ass. not once are they rewarded for their behavior; more often than not, they’re actively punished for it. some of the enjoyment of the show is meant to be schadenfreude; we’re SUPPOSED to like watching how miserable and awful these characters are.

(this is where reddit fandom gets lost-- they don’t realize that the show is satire/political commentary, and think that the show and the writers actually SUPPORT being the biggest, most conservative, backwards asshole you possibly can be.)

the writers themselves don’t condone any of the characters’ beliefs or actions. rob mcelhenney (who created the show and plays mac) was partially raised by two lesbian moms growing up, and his brother is gay as well. glenn howerton (dennis) is also very vocally adamant about lgbtq issues, ESPECIALLY trans rights and bathroom bills. he even chose to name his character dennis instead of some variation on his real name because he didn’t want people thinking he was ANYTHING like his character. admittedly charlie day (who plays... charlie) has been to known to say some really stupid shit before and is probably the least politically aware of the three of them, but i think he means well and is just ill-informed?

anyways, the reason tumblr sunny fandom is so different from reddit sunny fandom is bc the tumblr demographic is, for the most part, lgbtq+, mentally ill millennials. and sunny actually has a lot for that sort of person to read into.

the characters are all such shitty people in part, it turns out, because they’ve all had horrific childhoods. charlie survived an attempted abortion before he was even born, and grew up living with his alcoholic mother who worked as a prostitute to take care of him. he was abused by his uncle, which left him so traumatized that he still has flashbacks and nightmares about it as an adult and is functionally asexual. due to what is likely a mix of severe dyslexia and ADHD that went untreated all his life, charlie can’t read. mac grew up being neglected by both of his parents and has abandonment issues because his dad was taken to prison when he was only ten or so. he grew up devoutly catholic, which led to a lot of internalized homophobia and self-hatred as, throughout the show, it becomes clear that mac is gay himself. dee and dennis, twins, were raised in a mansion, with a lot of money but no love. their parents, frank and barbara, openly argued and hated each other in front of them, and barbara treated dennis like a trophy while she absolutely DESPISED dee. this led to dennis developing a superiority/god complex, an eating disorder, and, we find out in season 10, borderline personality disorder. conversely, dee became consumed by self-esteem and inferiority issues, as well as a very aggressive personality; she’s always ready to attack someone because she grew up having to defend her own existence to her mother. frank (dee and dennis’ dad, who joins the group in s2) was institutionalized as a child, presumably against his will. in the book, we find out that his dad used to physically and emotionally abuse him, too.

ALL of them are mentally ill, and a good chunk of them are lgbtq, as well-- in addition to mac and charlie, dennis is STRONGLY coded as bisexual within the show. what’s more, the writers have outright stated several times that the entire group is bisexual, “except for mac, who’s straight-up gay.” (i’m not sure that frank was included in this statement, however-- frank remains pretty grossly ignorant and homophobic throughout the show, and never does anything that struck me as being Not Straight.)

none of these reasons are ever used to EXCUSE what the characters do, only to explain why they think and act the way they do. it’s these tragic backstories that make the characters human and, on some level, relatable, likable, or at least sympathetic. seeing the sort of people that hang out on tumblr, it makes sense that we would gravitate to different parts of the show than the reddit fans do.

so, how should you react to the show? that’s up to you. we’re not meant to celebrate or support these characters’ actions or beliefs, but it can sometimes be hard not to care about them even a little, knowing why they’re such sad, broken people. at different times, the show can be funny on an innocuous level (charlie’s dating profile is a good example of the show’s sense of humor when it isn’t being political), it can be funny the way a good political satire can be funny, or it can completely miss the mark and become REALLY, really unfortunate. after 12 years, there’s several examples of each scenario.

if you made it to the end of this, THANK YOU for taking the time to read the whole thing. like i said, the show isn’t for everyone, and that’s okay! i just wanted to throw out my thoughts on it for you to do with what you will. thanks for asking, and i hope you’re having a nice day!

#long post // #iasip #it's always sunny in philadelphia #Anonymous #asks